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« Reply #200 on: September 22, 2010, 04:26:28 PM »



Kyle asked: "Who is this pictured up top? Was he in Aruba on Jan 12-14th, 2008?"


ANSWER: "the picture is purported to be Jeroen Rodenburg, the original owner of the FOB website.


Kyle: "The hair, stare, and even sunglasses are the same as the guy in the Opel who followed me. I got a good look at him at the fisherman's huts on or about Jan 13th.


Kyle: "Sorry for the multiple posts.. but honestly I didn't ever expect to see a picture of the dude who was following me. Also, I really didn't want to believe being followed had anything to do with someone directly connected to the case. Damn his face looks identical! I can't get over the sunglasses. I stared into those glasses before.







http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EyOpqHgEoQcJ:dnswhois.info/livesexamsterdam.com+%22Jeroen+Rodenburg%22+arizona&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Nice guy.  Not positive but I believe this is the same person.  This one of Robin and Dave's so called friends in the case?



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« Reply #201 on: September 22, 2010, 04:31:44 PM »

Red, I have NO doubt on Tim's veracity in the beginning. I think he was duped by the Persistence fiasco.

I have no doubt he has now sold out.  I am so disappointed and livid. Look at the facts uncovered here at SM and especially Natalee's Freebirds. I don't think anyone can defend what has transpired. I stand with Beth.


...and Beth stands with Natalee.  That is who is being hurt here.  Victimized over and over again.

 

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« Reply #202 on: September 22, 2010, 04:36:34 PM »


I know money is the root of all this evil that is going on here, but I can't understand how Dave is still friends with all of these people.  I mean he's friends or an aquaintance with Lorenzo who is friends with Joran (forgive me if I read that wrong).     

It's well documented, photographed, and obvious what  went down on the ship that was sent to Aruba for Natalee, so I'm sure Dave has all this somewhere in the back of his mind... it's way too obvious.  Dave had to of known about this before the guy and his dog were sent to Aruba to search that pond.  The information on the trap was all over the place. 

Do Beth and Dave even talk anymore?  It seems that they are both on two different levels with this whole problem.  Tim Miller was a man with a heart of gold at one time.  What in the world has happened to him?  I can't believe what I have heard in the last few days!!  I know AHATA has had their hands in this the whole time, but for one kid that was raised by that dumb b.... Anita??  I can't understand why all of this is worth all of the trouble to Aruba.
 

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Dave and Robin Holloway's trusted relationships with those who are not on the side of justice prevailing for Natalee has been the topic of speculation on the forums since the summer of 2006.  In the past ... some of these associations have openly disrespected and undermine both both Beth and Natalee despicably.

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Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.. 
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

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« Reply #203 on: September 22, 2010, 04:45:47 PM »

One more thought then I have to go for afternoon. . . .

If Dave had not collaborated with the likes of Larry Garrison and his dimwit sister, maybe his book would have done better.  That's not Beth's fault.

And I guess they are still carrying on about the Trust money, most of which would not be deposited unless Natalee was recovered.

Beth does not have control of that or it would not be a Trust Fund.  It would be a checking account, lol.  If Dave feels he has bills that should have been paid from it, he should have submitted them to the trust officers for payment same as Beth has to do.

Maybe Tim Miller thought he would be getting huge sums for his searches?  And he has always taken great pride in the fact that they do not EVEr charge the vistim's family.

Well, until now it seems.  They just trash the family if they don't contribute????

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Debt from searches that these individuals were all involved in telling lying to Dave and his wife that they would find Natalee's body.










This is where I got that he was friends with Lorenzo... Oh and Caps.... What am I missing here??


Different Lorenzo. The supposed half brother to Joran is Lorenzo van Rijn
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« Reply #204 on: September 22, 2010, 04:51:10 PM »

joranstein is locked up monkeys.  He aint getting out for a few decades.  I hope he finds it in his black heart to tell what he did with poor Natalee.

He probably won't, but we can always hope.

WC

As far as the whole greta wanna be steph,  he is a one and done.  Adios steph!! way to go little man!

When you are shooting blanks, you shouldn't do it in public.  Just sayin...

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« Reply #205 on: September 22, 2010, 04:51:35 PM »


I know money is the root of all this evil that is going on here, but I can't understand how Dave is still friends with all of these people.  I mean he's friends or an aquaintance with Lorenzo who is friends with Joran (forgive me if I read that wrong).    

It's well documented, photographed, and obvious what  went down on the ship that was sent to Aruba for Natalee, so I'm sure Dave has all this somewhere in the back of his mind... it's way too obvious.  Dave had to of known about this before the guy and his dog were sent to Aruba to search that pond.  The information on the trap was all over the place.  

Do Beth and Dave even talk anymore?  It seems that they are both on two different levels with this whole problem.  Tim Miller was a man with a heart of gold at one time.  What in the world has happened to him?  I can't believe what I have heard in the last few days!!  I know AHATA has had their hands in this the whole time, but for one kid that was raised by that dumb b.... Anita??  I can't understand why all of this is worth all of the trouble to Aruba.
  

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Dave and Robin Holloway's trusted relationships with those who are not on the side of justice prevailing for Natalee has been the topic of speculation on the forums since the summer of 2006.  In the past ... some of these associations have openly disrespected and undermine both both Beth and Natalee despicably.

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
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Okay... there was/is no conspiracy with the Persistence.  Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together..  
 
Slam me, bash me, I don't care, but it is the truth.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027;topicseen#msg845027



Dave must be brainwashed by all of these people when he should only be understanding the facts and not listening to anyone.
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« Reply #206 on: September 22, 2010, 04:54:42 PM »

One more thought then I have to go for afternoon. . . .

If Dave had not collaborated with the likes of Larry Garrison and his dimwit sister, maybe his book would have done better.  That's not Beth's fault.

And I guess they are still carrying on about the Trust money, most of which would not be deposited unless Natalee was recovered.

Beth does not have control of that or it would not be a Trust Fund.  It would be a checking account, lol.  If Dave feels he has bills that should have been paid from it, he should have submitted them to the trust officers for payment same as Beth has to do.

Maybe Tim Miller thought he would be getting huge sums for his searches?  And he has always taken great pride in the fact that they do not EVEr charge the vistim's family.

Well, until now it seems.  They just trash the family if they don't contribute????

Off to work. . . .

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Debt from searches that these individuals were all involved in telling lying to Dave and his wife that they would find Natalee's body.










This is where I got that he was friends with Lorenzo... Oh and Caps.... What am I missing here??


Different Lorenzo. The supposed half brother to Joran is Lorenzo van Rijn


Ok thanks Suzie.. So many different names in all of this lol.  It's still hard to understand how Dave is listening to these people when there is proof that lies were being made to everyone.
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« Reply #207 on: September 22, 2010, 05:07:58 PM »


Thank you Janet!  Your record keeping is awesome!  I also remember that TES needed money after hurricane Ike to feed the horses, etc.  It will break my heart if he was swayed by $$$$  I cannot imagine fighting all the battles Beth has fought and how many people that have stabbed her and the memory of Natalee in the back.

Get well soon Red!  I love SM!

Many have stabbed Beth in the back by aligning themselves with those whose actions and words reveal that they are not on the side of justice Natalee but faith in her God and the support of others who have stood by her in this neverending nightmare affords her the strength to continue her ongoing mission to be a voice for her daughter.

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« Reply #208 on: September 22, 2010, 05:09:19 PM »

I think Dave is under the influence of his current wife, and I am not sure of her motives.

But, Dave should remember that Beth is the mother of half of his children, and he should not
be in cahoots with anybody who speaks of her as Tim Miller did.

It is just not in any way becoming to Dave.  He should stand shoulder to shoulder with Beth
in regards to Natalee.
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« Reply #209 on: September 22, 2010, 05:21:29 PM »

I think Dave is under the influence of his current wife, and I am not sure of her motives.

But, Dave should remember that Beth is the mother of half of his children, and he should not
be in cahoots with anybody who speaks of her as Tim Miller did.

It is just not in any way becoming to Dave.  He should stand shoulder to shoulder with Beth
in regards to Natalee.

I couldn't have said it any better Magnolia
Your dead on with that post!! I have always wondered what his wife's motives are...  Something just doesn't fit in this picture and you would think a light bulb would be going off in his head with everything thats going on. 
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« Reply #210 on: September 22, 2010, 05:28:56 PM »

In no way am I bashing Dave cause I know there have been tough times for him with his daughter missing and I know he has been up to his knees in trash looking for his loved one.  I just wish he would take a step back and look at this as a whole picture.  I do know that to understand whats going on in the inside you have to try to be at peace with some that are in "the know" to best figure out things, but after all that has been uncovered I wish he would look at who the real enemies are. JMO
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« Reply #211 on: September 22, 2010, 05:33:00 PM »

OT- The remains of Teresa Parker, the 911 dispatcher from Georgia that's been missing since 2007 have been found.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1001.msg1234080#msg1234080 
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« Reply #212 on: September 22, 2010, 05:35:16 PM »

OT- The remains of Teresa Parker, the 911 dispatcher from Georgia that's been missing since 2007 have been found.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=1001.msg1234080#msg1234080 

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« Reply #213 on: September 22, 2010, 05:39:33 PM »

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« Reply #214 on: September 22, 2010, 06:13:17 PM »

If anyone has an update on Dave Holloway's condition, please do post.  I'm hoping that no news is good news and it was a false alarm.  Unfortunately, the older we get the more likely we are to have these events.  Dave is at the age that sudden heart attack in men is not uncommon.  I'm hoping he is ok.

I do not have an update.  If the initial reports were correct, that he was being discharged that night, to follow up with a cardiologist, in the morning, then he was not having a heart attack.  They would have drawn blood and done a 12 lead EKG and kept him if anything was positive.  He very well could have coronary disease but I doubt it was a heart attack.....yet...
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« Reply #215 on: September 22, 2010, 06:18:00 PM »



Kyle asked: "Who is this pictured up top? Was he in Aruba on Jan 12-14th, 2008?"


ANSWER: "the picture is purported to be Jeroen Rodenburg, the original owner of the FOB website.


Kyle: "The hair, stare, and even sunglasses are the same as the guy in the Opel who followed me. I got a good look at him at the fisherman's huts on or about Jan 13th.


Kyle: "Sorry for the multiple posts.. but honestly I didn't ever expect to see a picture of the dude who was following me. Also, I really didn't want to believe being followed had anything to do with someone directly connected to the case. Damn his face looks identical! I can't get over the sunglasses. I stared into those glasses before.







http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EyOpqHgEoQcJ:dnswhois.info/livesexamsterdam.com+%22Jeroen+Rodenburg%22+arizona&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Nice guy.  Not positive but I believe this is the same person.  This one of Robin and Dave's so called friends in the case?






Holey shmoley: Jeroen, Steph and Dolph (Renee's son) could be triplets....or perhaps one is a doppleganger. 
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Kyle asked: "Who is this pictured up top? Was he in Aruba on Jan 12-14th, 2008?"


ANSWER: "the picture is purported to be Jeroen Rodenburg, the original owner of the FOB website.


Kyle: "The hair, stare, and even sunglasses are the same as the guy in the Opel who followed me. I got a good look at him at the fisherman's huts on or about Jan 13th.


Kyle: "Sorry for the multiple posts.. but honestly I didn't ever expect to see a picture of the dude who was following me. Also, I really didn't want to believe being followed had anything to do with someone directly connected to the case. Damn his face looks identical! I can't get over the sunglasses. I stared into those glasses before.







http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:EyOpqHgEoQcJ:dnswhois.info/livesexamsterdam.com+%22Jeroen+Rodenburg%22+arizona&cd=9&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a

Nice guy.  Not positive but I believe this is the same person.  This one of Robin and Dave's so called friends in the case?






Holey shmoley: Jeroen, Steph and Dolph (Renee's son) could be triplets....or perhaps one is a doppleganger. 


I thought the picture looked more like Steph than Jeroen....but I didn't want to upset any applecarts.
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« Reply #217 on: September 22, 2010, 06:46:10 PM »

If anyone has an update on Dave Holloway's condition, please do post.  I'm hoping that no news is good news and it was a false alarm.  Unfortunately, the older we get the more likely we are to have these events.  Dave is at the age that sudden heart attack in men is not uncommon.  I'm hoping he is ok.
Klaas - Debbie @ bfn posted this morning.  Dave is at home and resting.  So far test results are positive and there are to be more tests tomorrow.

Debbie gave an update around 3:00 p. m. this aft'  -  Dave is doing fine and all prayers are appreciated.
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« Reply #218 on: September 22, 2010, 06:52:25 PM »

If anyone has an update on Dave Holloway's condition, please do post.  I'm hoping that no news is good news and it was a false alarm.  Unfortunately, the older we get the more likely we are to have these events.  Dave is at the age that sudden heart attack in men is not uncommon.  I'm hoping he is ok.
Klaas - Debbie @ bfn posted this morning.  Dave is at home and resting.  So far test results are positive and there are to be more tests tomorrow.

Debbie gave an update around 3:00 p. m. this aft'  -  Dave is doing fine and all prayers are appreciated.

Thanks Can

By "all tests are positive" does that mean that tests are actually negative for heart attack?  
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« Reply #219 on: September 22, 2010, 06:52:32 PM »

omg......I'm so far behind and lost..... I just heard and I do hope Dave will be okay. My hopes are there with him.
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