Natalee Case Discussion #847 9/21/10 - 9/25/2010

[texasmom]

Sleuth posted a recap of the June 6th Steph Watts show here:


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8038.msg1149786#msg1149786

 

[Sleuth]

Sleuth posted a recap of the June 6th Steph Watts show here:


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8038.msg1149786#msg1149786

 

I'm going to have to drop my sig to one line.

[texasmom]

Sleuth posted a recap of the June 6th Steph Watts show here:


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8038.msg1149786#msg1149786

 

I'm going to have to drop my sig to one line.

I've been having some thoughts/doubts about mine too...so I may have to go to a one liner with you.  I'm still hoping he wasn't part of it, didn't know it was going to happen, or approve it. 

 

[texasmom]

There are a few short videos from Oriana Mansur's 15th birthday party here, if anyone's interested.

http://www.youtube.com/user/oriettacarvalho#p/u/4/pe5CFGdG36I

[texasmom]

Klaas,

When you have time would you please post the video clip you made of Tim Miller's comments on Steph Watts show (in February iirc) about the human remains that were found in the cage...and the report that the DNA was male six weeks later.

I thought I had it somewhere but I can't find it.

TIA

[texasmom]

[texasmom]

[Puzzler]

Oh, my.  Tim Miller...it's too sad for words.

It sounds like he is in need of serious help.  The one who helps so many others is now in need of help himself.

Is there a chance Tim Miller was drinking so much that he wouldn't even remember what he said when he sobered up? 

Really, really sad news.

[jen3560]

Klaas,

When you have time would you please post the video clip you made of Tim Miller's comments on Steph Watts show (in February iirc) about the human remains that were found in the cage...and the report that the DNA was male six weeks later.

I thought I had it somewhere but I can't find it.

TIA

Yes please!!!!  And thank you in advance!

[wreck]

It's been alluded to, but I'll come out and say it outright:

What IF the reason Tim is angry is because the the "documentary" Peter and Beth are working on exposes the Persistence and TES complicity?

[texasmom]

It's been alluded to, but I'll come out and say it outright:

What IF the reason Tim is angry is because the the "documentary" Peter and Beth are working on exposes the Persistence and TES complicity?

IF it is, and he thought disrespecting Beth and Natalee that way would help his case in any way...he was sorely mistaken.

JMO

[can]

THIS SHOULD HAVE ONLY BEEN ABOUT BRINGING NATALEE HOME!

I have also been quite disturbed upon hearing the TM and SW audio. It seemed well rehearsed and the message repeated time and again. I have some nagging feeling that this is more than what we see.

OK...far fetched here...but think on it...and humor me on this possibility. I have been trying to understand and place this whole mess in context. We all know something is not adding up.


Was this planned trip to Peru part of their PR plan to restore Aruba? (Why Dave tho?? Makes no sense.) But nonetheless, that has to be the reason Aruba engaged in all of this. (Aruba and someone else will benefit. Why else would they be so very angry?) Was Joran going to give them evidence to clear Aruba?

Then add SW.---> Who apparently was upset about Beth going to Peru first also.

Could this be a continuation of the Joran/Terror Japp plan? The contract and plan they had devised to have Joran commit himself and sell the stories. Then get out in a couple of years free to collect the millions from it. At the same time, free Aruba from guilt and restore her. (I don't know the version of the story he was going to tell, but he supposedly gave the map (of where her body was) to Terror Japp. Somehow now SW says he had the map first before anyone else .

Could this plan be a continuation of clearing Aruba? etc... Why would Dave be doing this for Aruba???

Lots of connections there seemingly.

Could this explain what Beth was trying to stop?

Far fetched maybe??? But my Father always told me there were no coincidences. And I have found that always holds true.

Don't shoot the messenger but I could not shake these thoughts...

Tricia

I've had a lot of nagging thoughts too.  Thanks for sharing yours.

It still nags at me WHY Dave Holloway would put Steph Watts (of all people) in touch with Terror Jaap?  That is if Steph Watts was telling the truth on his blog.

I did find it very interesting that the map that Joran drew for Terror Jaap had been talked about for months prior to Joran's recent arrest.  But almost immediately following the arrest... Steph Watts and Tim Miller are in Aruba for an extended stay supposedly to search the area in the map.  Too bad...if that was the real reason for the trip...that they didn't take the time to find out prior to arriving that they wouldn't be allowed to search squat! 

But they stayed anyway!    

I hope someone can find it...I just have a sneaking suspicion that there's a connection with Aruba and Steph Watts that hasn't been talked about yet.

JMO

Wouldn't surprise me in the least!

Steph Watts has been bashing Beth about the foundation and the fundraising for a long time.

I don't know what Steph's connection with BFN Debbie is, but she is always his head cheerleader when he has a pod cast.

That stupid map was all over the internet before Steph Watts got ahold of it.

Something just ain't right about it all.  IMO

Yes, I know that all too well.  Went there a time or two...haven't been back since.

DebbieG dictates from chat what questions will be asked of the guests...and even "rephrases those questions" when she sees fit.  She's got her own group of cheerleaders there with her too.  They were begging for money for a return trip to Aruba and I tried to ask what would be different about a second trip?  We all knew what happened with the remains that were found on the first trip! 

I have some snapshots of the chat from the June 6th show.  Dave Holloway and Tim Miller were on the show.

Snips from my screenshots:

First of all...just to prove Debbie (the spellchecker) is not perfect either.   



This question was asked and answered. (If you recall this is when a lot of people were trying to blame Beth for Joran murdering Stephany.)



My first try...ignored



Second try...ignored again



Someone else tried to help me...ignored





Then Debbie_G chimes in...question even in her version....STILL NOT ASKED



Angelala



fanofjustice calls Debbie on it   

Texasmom, thank you for posting chat room conversations, and for your repeated efforts to have your question acknowledged.  Seems your question fell on deaf ears.   

[can]

It's been alluded to, but I'll come out and say it outright:

What IF the reason Tim is angry is because the the "documentary" Peter and Beth are working on exposes the Persistence and TES complicity?

Wreck I doubt that Tim would "know" that, at this time.  Perhaps it is what he "fears"...

[wreck]

It's been alluded to, but I'll come out and say it outright:

What IF the reason Tim is angry is because the "documentary" Peter and Beth are working on exposes the Persistence and TES complicity?

Wreck I doubt that Tim would "know" that, at this time.  Perhaps it is what he "fears"...

Yes, that makes more sense!

[wreck]

a 'pre-emptive strike', if you will!

[texasmom]

I thought this was interesting...

http://tripreports.visitaruba.com/dynamic/servlet/ReportDetails?CAT_ID=29&ARTICLE_ID=424


Submitted on Monday, May 17, 2004

by: Rona Coster

THE RETURN OF POKER. A macho game of cards played in the Wild-West in seedy bar rooms, and later anywhere from curbsides to locker rooms, has in recent years experienced resurgence, rebirth, mostly thanks to televised tournaments by Ultimate Bets. The organization brought back the game’s long-lost mystic and allowed for a new type of player to emerge, dark glasses, a must. As a result of renewed interest in Poker, the casino at the Radisson decided to take the gamble and open four tables up. The new live Poker room at the casino is both masculine and elegant, with a dash of glitz thrown in. Ten players may sit around the Texas Hold’em table, while eight seats are available around the Seven-Card Stud. Six experienced and personable dealers were professionally trained by a Canadian, David – he is married to sweetheart Astria, a cocktail waitress at the Allegro Casino. The no fee tournament was a huge success; besides all four tables were busy from the get go. Alexandra Polyzou helped cut the ribbon. She was assisted by member of management Tico Ruiz and investor Socrates Goulakos, one of the three Canadian investors backing the casino. Socrates is an entrepreneur involved in a number of businesses back home, a famed bar and a famed restaurant among them. He met Polyzou while she was working for the Hyatt in Greece, and recruited her to run his Casino Porto Carras, on the Aegean Sea. Later when he got involved with Aruba, he sent Alexandra here to baby sit his investment - well you know the story, it’s all in the past. Claudia Ruiz Vasquez picked colors and accents for the new live Poker room. She borrowed tropical elements and blended them with Vegas touches to produce a cozy, inviting environment. Players are invited to eat, drink and smoke at the table, for as long as they wish, the chairs are very comfortable! Joa Beke helped paint and glue mosaics. Cachi Ruiz, in charge of slot operations, and Douglass Rollick, a slot technician slash maintenance man, were valuable on all fronts. Douglass even painted the railing antique-style. With 250 state of the art slots and an old fashioned live Poker room, the Casino at the Radisson mixes novel and traditional gaming elements, positioning itself as a very attractive casino for regular & casual players. Casino accountant, Ricardo Vrolijk, missed the opening of the project he spearheaded, as he was in Reno for training.   The Ladies in Red: Claudia Ruiz Vasquez, Alexandra Polyzou, Joa Beke, Carolina Rojas & Sue Winklaar, sipped their champagne at the opening also attended by Lynn Maduro as well as the local press  . . .

[texasmom]

I've been racking my brain for the past few days trying to think what in the world could have brought that on from Tim Miller.

What would have made him turn on Beth so viciously...

Something crossed my mind this morning so I'm just going to put it out here.

What if Beth went in there and said...

Joran I have no hate for you in my heart.

I don't know who put her there, but I know where Natalee was found.

Your mother and father knew too, they observed the spot from shore where the Persistence found her remains.

I know the Aruban authorities have her remains, and all I want is to take them home.

You can die here in Peru, or maybe I can help expedite a temperature controlled room in a Federal facility in the U. S.

If you help me bring my daughter home...even at this late date;  could drastically change the outlook for your future.

Or maybe you enjoy being the most hated man in the world...do you really believe you'll survive general population?

The choice is yours Joran.

Beth's words, Joran's reaction... and statement that he can't talk to her about it without his lawyer is all captured by Peter R. DeVries camera.

To soon be viewed by millions.

Everyone will know...

Joran tells mommydearest in their next call what happened...

Peter R. DeVries will finally address the Persistence Mission and all involved.

We all know that news traveled like wildfire.

Did I hear a boom boom? 

And then a preemptive strike on Beth?

Just a thought...

wreck, didn't know if you read my thoughts about that yesterday or not.

 

[can]

Oh, my.  Tim Miller...it's too sad for words.

It sounds like he is in need of serious help.  The one who helps so many others is now in need of help himself.

Is there a chance Tim Miller was drinking so much that he wouldn't even remember what he said when he sobered up? 

Really, really sad news.

Yes it is sad to hear Beth being spoken of in this way.

I can't possibly know the degree of Tim's problem, or if he has moments
without recall.  However, the fact remains, those nasty words were spoken.

[can]

a 'pre-emptive strike', if you will!

yes sir, possibly.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Klaas,

When you have time would you please post the video clip you made of Tim Miller's comments on Steph Watts show (in February iirc) about the human remains that were found in the cage...and the report that the DNA was male six weeks later.

I thought I had it somewhere but I can't find it.

TIA

Yes please!!!!  And thank you in advance!

I think this is it...posted in Feb.