Natalee Case Discussion #847 9/21/10 - 9/25/2010

[Tamikosmom]

Ironically, I just received an email to renew my membership with TES.  Here is my response.

I was ready and willing to renew my membership as I always felt Tim has been a hero for the missing and has done such great work.  I've worked side by side with him, have donated time and money.  However,  I am struggling now and 2nd guessing him since his accusations and bashing of Beth Holloway on Steph Watts show.  Many people at ScaredMonkeys.com and other sites were made aware of him during the Natalees case and helped bring his notoriety, therefore, bringing in more money and support for TES.  Beth has set aside her own concerns to help in searches and attended fundraisers. What more does he want if he has repeatedly stated he never accepts money from a victims family? .   I am totally in shock, as I've always loved Tim, but I am so confused at what he is becoming?  He just hurt so many supporters, who have defended him to no end and has contributed so much to TES, by those comments about Beth.  I can't imagine how Beth feels, but his comments are certainly going to affect future support.  I ask that he at least apologize to her.

Again, I appreciate what Tim does and would consider recommending him to anybody for his awesome experience, but I have to rethink how his comments may affect future searches. What is happening to Tim?  He seems to be loosing it?  Not the same guy I met a couple years ago.  Makes me sad.....

God Bless

-----Original Message-----
From: Sherry McKinney <sherry.mckinney@texasequusearch.org>
To: 'Sherry McKinney' <sherry.mckinney@texasequusearch.org>
Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:50 pm
Subject: FW: Membership Renewal

Attached please find your annual Membership RenewalForm.  Everyone at TES hopes that you continue being a member andsupporting this wonderful organization. Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate tocontact me.  SherryMcKinney, Office AdministratorTexas EquuSearch
 

Dihannah1

Your response to TES's request was articulated perfectly.

Janet

[nonesuche]

Ironically, I just received an email to renew my membership with TES.  Here is my response.

I was ready and willing to renew my membership as I always felt Tim has been a hero for the missing and has done such great work.  I've worked side by side with him, have donated time and money.  However,  I am struggling now and 2nd guessing him since his accusations and bashing of Beth Holloway on Steph Watts show.  Many people at ScaredMonkeys.com and other sites were made aware of him during the Natalees case and helped bring his notoriety, therefore, bringing in more money and support for TES.  Beth has set aside her own concerns to help in searches and attended fundraisers. What more does he want if he has repeatedly stated he never accepts money from a victims family? .   I am totally in shock, as I've always loved Tim, but I am so confused at what he is becoming?  He just hurt so many supporters, who have defended him to no end and has contributed so much to TES, by those comments about Beth.  I can't imagine how Beth feels, but his comments are certainly going to affect future support.  I ask that he at least apologize to her.

Again, I appreciate what Tim does and would consider recommending him to anybody for his awesome experience, but I have to rethink how his comments may affect future searches. What is happening to Tim?  He seems to be loosing it?  Not the same guy I met a couple years ago.  Makes me sad.....

God Bless

-----Original Message-----
From: Sherry McKinney <sherry.mckinney@texasequusearch.org>
To: 'Sherry McKinney' <sherry.mckinney@texasequusearch.org>
Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:50 pm
Subject: FW: Membership Renewal

Attached please find your annual Membership RenewalForm.  Everyone at TES hopes that you continue being a member andsupporting this wonderful organization. Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate tocontact me.  SherryMcKinney, Office AdministratorTexas EquuSearch
 

Great timing and well conveyed! I bet this will not go un-noticed!

I agree, great job of communicating the issues Dihannah. I hope you and your family are well 

[Tamikosmom]

MIXED MESSAGES?  DOUBLE STANDARD?

Natalee Holloway Case

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Steph Watts:  .... So how does she interfere with an ongoing investigation?  She goes over there, confronts him, spooks him, scares him, gets him to tell them the story and now he doesn’t want to talk to you know the people he was talking to before.  He throws his hands up in the air and says all this is off...you guys sprung Beth on me.  That’s how she interferes with an ongoing investigation Tim Miller.  Agree or disagree?

Tim Miller:  I one hundred percent agree... I one hundred percent agree... I .. I think she should have...  Beth needs to understand, Beth is the mother, Beth is not the investigator.

<snipped>

Tim Miller:  We’re searchers, we let the investigators do their job...

Transcript - Texasmom

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


The Haleigh Cummings Case

Stepmom Allegedly Failed Polygraph
Posted: 11:03 am EDT August 27, 2009
Updated: 2:04 pm EDT August 27, 2009

Tim Miller says Misty came to him to help with a new search, because she wanted a chance to clear her name. So he set up an independent polygraph test for her.

Miller says Misty "failed it miserably." Misty agreed to take the tests even though her attorney told her not to. Miller says she also failed voice analysis and did not cooperate with a hypnosis test.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office is hardly shocked. They say Misty's account of the night in February, when the then 5-year-old girl disappeared, is sketchy and full of holes.

Miller gave the tests results to investigators.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20581786/detail.html

Hi Janet- I completely agree with this post. One standard for Beth yet another for Tim.

Tim should not be arranging polygraph's for any suspect nor should he ever speak of those results either.

Hi None

 

Janet

[Magnolia]

I am still in shock that TJ Ward was paid $400,000 and has the audacity to question Beth's
money handling.

[texasmom]

Ironically, I just received an email to renew my membership with TES.  Here is my response.

I was ready and willing to renew my membership as I always felt Tim has been a hero for the missing and has done such great work.  I've worked side by side with him, have donated time and money.  However,  I am struggling now and 2nd guessing him since his accusations and bashing of Beth Holloway on Steph Watts show.  Many people at ScaredMonkeys.com and other sites were made aware of him during the Natalees case and helped bring his notoriety, therefore, bringing in more money and support for TES.  Beth has set aside her own concerns to help in searches and attended fundraisers. What more does he want if he has repeatedly stated he never accepts money from a victims family? .   I am totally in shock, as I've always loved Tim, but I am so confused at what he is becoming?  He just hurt so many supporters, who have defended him to no end and has contributed so much to TES, by those comments about Beth.  I can't imagine how Beth feels, but his comments are certainly going to affect future support.  I ask that he at least apologize to her.

Again, I appreciate what Tim does and would consider recommending him to anybody for his awesome experience, but I have to rethink how his comments may affect future searches. What is happening to Tim?  He seems to be loosing it?  Not the same guy I met a couple years ago.  Makes me sad.....

God Bless

-----Original Message-----
From: Sherry McKinney <sherry.mckinney@texasequusearch.org>
To: 'Sherry McKinney' <sherry.mckinney@texasequusearch.org>
Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:50 pm
Subject: FW: Membership Renewal

Attached please find your annual Membership RenewalForm.  Everyone at TES hopes that you continue being a member andsupporting this wonderful organization. Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate tocontact me.  SherryMcKinney, Office AdministratorTexas EquuSearch
 

Thanks for sharing Dihannah1!  Bravo on your response! 

[texasmom]

I am still in shock that TJ Ward was paid $400,000 and has the audacity to question Beth's
money handling.

Me too Magnolia!   

[wreck]

I am still in shock that TJ Ward was paid $400,000 and has the audacity to question Beth's
money handling.

What did the Beth and Dave get for $400,000.????????????????????????????????????????? Absolutely NOTHING and insults for Beth. 

[Magnolia]

 

[wreck]

Talking about making money off missing persons!!!!!! 

[Magnolia]

Talking about making money off missing persons!!!!!! 

Exactly!  And if he had been paid on a contingency basis, he would have gotten zilch.
He never accomplished a thing, that I have seen.

[SuzieQ]

I just posted something from Steph Watts site to the thread Texasmom started. and when I pasted it to the thread his personal information came up. It didn't show up on the page I copied so I don't know how it got there. Anyway, mods or Klaas if it shouldn't be there, can you delete it. Thanks


Edit
I just checked and the info in your post is on Steph's contact page, (link provided below) which is made public for all to see.  I see no reason to remove it, since it appears he placed it out there in the public domain.  MuffyBee

http://stephwattsreporter.com/contact.htm

[Dihannah1]

Ironically, I just received an email to renew my membership with TES.  Here is my response.

I was ready and willing to renew my membership as I always felt Tim has been a hero for the missing and has done such great work.  I've worked side by side with him, have donated time and money.  However,  I am struggling now and 2nd guessing him since his accusations and bashing of Beth Holloway on Steph Watts show.  Many people at ScaredMonkeys.com and other sites were made aware of him during the Natalees case and helped bring his notoriety, therefore, bringing in more money and support for TES.  Beth has set aside her own concerns to help in searches and attended fundraisers. What more does he want if he has repeatedly stated he never accepts money from a victims family? .   I am totally in shock, as I've always loved Tim, but I am so confused at what he is becoming?  He just hurt so many supporters, who have defended him to no end and has contributed so much to TES, by those comments about Beth.  I can't imagine how Beth feels, but his comments are certainly going to affect future support.  I ask that he at least apologize to her.

Again, I appreciate what Tim does and would consider recommending him to anybody for his awesome experience, but I have to rethink how his comments may affect future searches. What is happening to Tim?  He seems to be loosing it?  Not the same guy I met a couple years ago.  Makes me sad.....

God Bless

-----Original Message-----
From: Sherry McKinney <sherry.mckinney@texasequusearch.org>
To: 'Sherry McKinney' <sherry.mckinney@texasequusearch.org>
Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:50 pm
Subject: FW: Membership Renewal

Attached please find your annual Membership RenewalForm.  Everyone at TES hopes that you continue being a member andsupporting this wonderful organization. Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate tocontact me.  SherryMcKinney, Office AdministratorTexas EquuSearch
 

Great timing and well conveyed! I bet this will not go un-noticed!

I agree, great job of communicating the issues Dihannah. I hope you and your family are well 

Hi Nonesy,  I stepped away for a few.  Family is doing fine.

Thanks for all the responses.  I always worry about wording things correctly.  I had a thought afterwards that bothered me. I feel like not donating, could affect future searches of somebody deserving and innocent.  Which isn't fair to them.  My main goal is hoping if Tim gets enough responses and he rethinks what he did.  But i also do see another man that I never saw before, which concerns me on how he could turn on other innocents victims.

Catch 22?

[carpe noctem]

I am still in shock that TJ Ward was paid $400,000 and has the audacity to question Beth's
money handling.

...and another thing

You know this fiasco has cost Dave, Jug, and Beth a fortune. They didn't ask for this...

Joran did this... it was thrust upon them.

Does Tim think for one minute I give two toots... that Beth went on to do something positive with her life and manage to be compensated for it along the way?

Reality check - Beth doesn't have to extort anybody over their murdered family members.

The sister is using the sense that the good Lord gave her and getting on with things.

She is putting it to that murderer Sloot and making some sheckles to cover expenses.

God Bless her... and rock on, momma! There need to be more like her.

Jealousy is an ugly trait.

[klaasend]

Steph Watts is a leach IMO and Tim Miller is horribly misguided:

[wreck]

Ironically, I just received an email to renew my membership with TES.  Here is my response.

I was ready and willing to renew my membership as I always felt Tim has been a hero for the missing and has done such great work.  I've worked side by side with him, have donated time and money.  However,  I am struggling now and 2nd guessing him since his accusations and bashing of Beth Holloway on Steph Watts show.  Many people at ScaredMonkeys.com and other sites were made aware of him during the Natalees case and helped bring his notoriety, therefore, bringing in more money and support for TES.  Beth has set aside her own concerns to help in searches and attended fundraisers. What more does he want if he has repeatedly stated he never accepts money from a victims family? .   I am totally in shock, as I've always loved Tim, but I am so confused at what he is becoming?  He just hurt so many supporters, who have defended him to no end and has contributed so much to TES, by those comments about Beth.  I can't imagine how Beth feels, but his comments are certainly going to affect future support.  I ask that he at least apologize to her.

Again, I appreciate what Tim does and would consider recommending him to anybody for his awesome experience, but I have to rethink how his comments may affect future searches. What is happening to Tim?  He seems to be loosing it?  Not the same guy I met a couple years ago.  Makes me sad.....

God Bless

-----Original Message-----
From: Sherry McKinney <sherry.mckinney@texasequusearch.org>
To: 'Sherry McKinney' <sherry.mckinney@texasequusearch.org>
Sent: Wed, Sep 15, 2010 1:50 pm
Subject: FW: Membership Renewal

Attached please find your annual Membership RenewalForm.  Everyone at TES hopes that you continue being a member andsupporting this wonderful organization. Should you have any questions, please do not hesitate tocontact me.  SherryMcKinney, Office AdministratorTexas EquuSearch
 

Great timing and well conveyed! I bet this will not go un-noticed!

I agree, great job of communicating the issues Dihannah. I hope you and your family are well 

Hi Nonesy,  I stepped away for a few.  Family is doing fine.

Thanks for all the responses.  I always worry about wording things correctly.  I had a thought afterwards that bothered me. I feel like not donating, could affect future searches of somebody deserving and innocent.  Which isn't fair to them.  My main goal is hoping if Tim gets enough responses and he rethinks what he did.  But i also do see another man that I never saw before, which concerns me on how he could turn on other innocents victims.

Catch 22?

Well, I CERTAINLY would not contribute until Tim makes it right with Beth. End of story.

[Magnolia]

Steph Watts is a leach IMO and Tim Miller is horribly misguided:

Klaas, I think you are baiting me with that photo,

[Blonde]

Tim Miller and Steph Watts - click on the pic below to listen to about 9 minutes of the 50+ minute show.

Thanks Klaas

Janet

IMO  STEPH WATTS sounds like a little girl.

[islandmonkey]

MIXED MESSAGES?  DOUBLE STANDARD?

Natalee Holloway Case

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Steph Watts:  .... So how does she interfere with an ongoing investigation?  She goes over there, confronts him, spooks him, scares him, gets him to tell them the story and now he doesn’t want to talk to you know the people he was talking to before.  He throws his hands up in the air and says all this is off...you guys sprung Beth on me.  That’s how she interferes with an ongoing investigation Tim Miller.  Agree or disagree?

Tim Miller:  I one hundred percent agree... I one hundred percent agree... I .. I think she should have...  Beth needs to understand, Beth is the mother, Beth is not the investigator.

<snipped>

Tim Miller:  We’re searchers, we let the investigators do their job...

Transcript - Texasmom

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


The Haleigh Cummings Case

Stepmom Allegedly Failed Polygraph
Posted: 11:03 am EDT August 27, 2009
Updated: 2:04 pm EDT August 27, 2009

Tim Miller says Misty came to him to help with a new search, because she wanted a chance to clear her name. So he set up an independent polygraph test for her.

Miller says Misty "failed it miserably." Misty agreed to take the tests even though her attorney told her not to. Miller says she also failed voice analysis and did not cooperate with a hypnosis test.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office is hardly shocked. They say Misty's account of the night in February, when the then 5-year-old girl disappeared, is sketchy and full of holes.

Miller gave the tests results to investigators.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20581786/detail.html

  My thoughts exactly, not to mention the sting operation with Donna Brock I have a sad heart after reading about all of this mess and the way they talked about Beth......she's a hell of a lot stronger person than anyone else I've ever seen who has been thrust into the spotlight by a horrific crime against her daughter and I say go BETH, you rock! But, I do feel like I will still donate to TES because in all honesty if my child were missing I would want TM to help, I hope he sees his dire mistake and apologizes ASAP or he will lose alot of donations and if he can get his act together he can still provide a much needed service to families who have missing loved ones. I know Beth will rise above it because she is that strong, but I hope Tim can change his view and return to the man he used to be. I do wonder how much of that change was influenced by the 2 asshats stephanie watts and TJ Ward (who seemed to be clueless about everything when he spoke on Dana's show), and stress from other circumstances in his life. I am not giving him a pass, simply curious as to WTF happened

[carpe noctem]

You know the money filing investigation thing goes both ways.

I hope auditors go over your tax forms Tim and Steph.

I know Steph was the one who suggested people look into Beth's finances... but like an ass, Tim laughed.

Be careful what you wish for.

Steph, of all people, who got fired for allegedly putting his nose job on a corporate credit card.

It was allegedly... but if you will notice he is no longer working for the network.

Glass houses - Big Stones.

Man, I'm pissed. My ears are hot again. Gonna go cool 'em off with an ice pack.

[2NJSons_Mom]

MIXED MESSAGES?  DOUBLE STANDARD?

Natalee Holloway Case

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Steph Watts:  .... So how does she interfere with an ongoing investigation?  She goes over there, confronts him, spooks him, scares him, gets him to tell them the story and now he doesn’t want to talk to you know the people he was talking to before.  He throws his hands up in the air and says all this is off...you guys sprung Beth on me.  That’s how she interferes with an ongoing investigation Tim Miller.  Agree or disagree?

Tim Miller:  I one hundred percent agree... I one hundred percent agree... I .. I think she should have...  Beth needs to understand, Beth is the mother, Beth is not the investigator.

<snipped>

Tim Miller:  We’re searchers, we let the investigators do their job...

Transcript - Texasmom

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe


The Haleigh Cummings Case

Stepmom Allegedly Failed Polygraph
Posted: 11:03 am EDT August 27, 2009
Updated: 2:04 pm EDT August 27, 2009

Tim Miller says Misty came to him to help with a new search, because she wanted a chance to clear her name. So he set up an independent polygraph test for her.

Miller says Misty "failed it miserably." Misty agreed to take the tests even though her attorney told her not to. Miller says she also failed voice analysis and did not cooperate with a hypnosis test.

The Putnam County Sheriff's Office is hardly shocked. They say Misty's account of the night in February, when the then 5-year-old girl disappeared, is sketchy and full of holes.

Miller gave the tests results to investigators.

http://www.wftv.com/news/20581786/detail.html

Hi Janet- I completely agree with this post. One standard for Beth yet another for Tim.

Tim should not be arranging polygraph's for any suspect nor should he ever speak of those results either.

Me, too.  I thought of Tim's statement about letting the investigators do their job earlier when I was catching up.  I was not able to respond without the exact verbiage and Janet has brought it forward (thanks). 

Contradictory statements, mixed messages, double standard....maybe just plain BS.