Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND,OR #29 9/18/10 - 9/21/10

[sackyattack]

Yes - this email from Terri;

 I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list. That and it was highly chaotic - had to been 300 people running around - no coordination ...”

http://www.terrihorman.com/2010/08/terri-hormans-emails-surrounding-kyrons.html

I can't find a real news link at the moment so this will have to do.  I think she sent this email out 06/05/2010 the day after.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html

..(stensen lawn tech) He said he remembers that even with the science fair taking place that morning things didn’t seem particularly chaotic.
“It seemed like just a pretty normal day,” he said. “It was kind of damp and wet. It had been...

[Bearlyhere]

This is dated: June 15, 2010 (  it would be of info provided up until the date June 15th to the public) I am posting this because it is " just Kyron" no fluffy fillers - The time line of Kyron June 4th ( some of this, my first time reading/or could have changed since the 15th/I am sure a lot was updated from this point/however I find this interesting)
http://www.examiner.com/amber-alerts-in-national/kyron-horman-update-timeline-and-new-photos-released-case-of-missing-oregon-boy-video-photos
* Kaine has been quoted saying the last time he saw Kyron was when he left the house at 7:45 am. Kaine going to work.

June 4, 2010

Kyron was seen at his elementary school with his stepmother at 8:00 a.m. Gina Zimmerman, President of the Skyline Elementary PTA, witnessed seeing Kyron and Terri Horman in front of Kyron’s science exhibit.

At 8:45 a.m., Terri Horman left the school and watched as Kyron headed towards his classroom.

An unidentified person reported seeing Kyron at the school at 9:00 a.m.

At 10:00 a.m., Kyron’s class began, he was not in attendance.
He was reported absent by his teacher, Kristina Porter, but no one called his home to notify his parents that he was missing from school.

At 1:21 p.m., Terri Horman (Kyron’s stepmother) posted the photos taken of Kyron on her personal Facebook page.

At 3:30 p.m., Terri Horman went to the school bus to pick up Kyron, he was not on the bus.

At 3:46 p.m., Terri Horman called Skyline Elementary to notify them Kyron did not come home from school. She was told Kyron had been absent all day.

At 3:46 p.m., Skyline Elementary School secretary Susan Hall called 911 and reported Kyron as missing.

At 4:33 p.m., officers from the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office and the Portland Police Bureau met with the school and the Hormans.

At 5:30 p.m., a rapid broadcast message was sent to students home across the Portland public school district. The message notified all parents that Kyron Horman was missing.

At 7:00 p.m., the missing persons search for Kyron Horman officially began.

At 9:48 p.m., search and rescue group Mountain Wave arrived at Skyline Elementary to begin searching.
It is unclear who reported seeing Kyron at the school at 9:00 p.m. That person may hold information that has caused authorities to deem Kyron’s case a criminal investigation. It appears that there is some sort of evidence they have obtained but not made public, however this is speculation and has not been verified by the Multnomah County Sheriff’s Office or the FBI.
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Anyone remember it being said a witness saw Kyron at 9 pm? I don't recall ever hearing that.
or is that a typo and it is to be 9 am? not 9 pm.

Deenie IIRC Tanner is the one that  stated  seeing Kyron at 9am. when Kyron told him he was going to see the electric project. But LE came back later and said Terri was the last to see him at 8:45. I kind of read that as no one saw him after Terri supposedly left at 8:45

If we only knew about that project and if it really did exist and also, who told him about it.  Did Terri tell him about it right near the time when the bell rang so she knew where to head him off?  This would require split second timing.  I wonder if this is the first time his abduction was planned, or if it was planned another time and did not pan out and this was a second, third, etc. attempt, or if this was a crime of chance?

[fatcatlurker]

Sheriff's page again - Roads they want anyone to come forth as witnesses for June 3rd or 4th. I wonder why the 3rd? http://www.mcso.us/public/newsroom.htm#tape
Police Seek Surveillance Video

As part of the investigation, the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office is requesting surveillance video from nearby storefronts, private homes, security cameras or any other surveillance recording from June 3 and June 4. They are specifically looking for video of vehicular traffic from the following locations (also see the two maps below):

    * Northwest Cornelius Pass Road
    * Northwest Germantown Road
    * Northwest Logie Trail Road
    * Northwest Rocky Point Road
    * Northwest Skyline Road
    * Northwest 185th Avenue
    * Northwest West Union Road
    * Northwest Springville Road
    * Bethany Boulevard
    * Northwest Springville Road
    * Northwest Newberry Road
    * Northwest McNamee Road
    * Highway 30 from Northwest Rock Point to Germantown Road
    * Northwest Kaiser Road
    * Northwest Thompson Road
    * Northwest Laidlaw Road

Anyone with video of those areas is asked to contact the sheriff's office tip line at (503) 261-2847. Leave your name, contact information and identify the specific location or street address of the video footage.

Not to be morbid but maybe that is the day Terri did prep work?

[Scandi]

Puzzler~

Been trying to hunt down that statement about someone seeing Kyron by a fence.  Nothing so far.  Send me an email to that address I posted earlier.

I've never read about that either, him being seen by a fence.

[Scandi]

Call me nuts but I've even thought just maybe DeDe was riding around with Kiara that morning with Terri's cellphone hence the ping near Sauvie Island while Terri did something with Kyron.

Hi Fatcatlurker,  If the Horman truck was seen in the area of Newberry Rd [as LE might have witnessing to], once you intersect with Hwy #30 it is just a short distance up to the SI bridge.

[Wyks]

Wykes it is nice to "see" you again. (everyone look away for a moment) please check your email, will be sending you one shortly.

Good to see you too TG, and thanks!  Okies, heading thatta way.  lol 

[Scandi]

Hi,  I can't find a timely link to Blink on Crime and am looking for the latest posts there.  Thanks for the help  xox

Here's an active link: 

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/#comments

Thanks Puzzler for that and to you Deenie for the timeline.  ;}

[fatcatlurker]

Call me nuts but I've even thought just maybe DeDe was riding around with Kiara that morning with Terri's cellphone hence the ping near Sauvie Island while Terri did something with Kyron.

Hi Fatcatlurker,  If the Horman truck was seen in the area of Newberry Rd [as LE might have witnessing to], once you intersect with Hwy #30 it is just a short distance up to the SI bridge.

Thank you.  I'm not familar with the area at all but I have read locals post that if you are close your phone pings off Sauvie Island.  Meaning not even on the Island...I guess.

[ISpy]

Though they had parents helping out with the science fair, Terri was not one of them even though she was known to assist at the school. Was there a reason she did not help with the science fair? I would think the school could have used every parent available to help with the fair.

It still bugs me that she had the truck to bring home the science project yet never picked it up. She could have swung by to pick it up at 10:00 or anytime before school ended. The end of school would have been a perfect time to pick it up so she could also give Kyron a ride home. She knew not to go back to the school.

Seriously!  Good point!  Logic dictates that if KYron needed to be transported to school with the project, he'd also need to be picked up and driven home with the project.  Apparently, Terri lead Kaine to believe (by word or omission) that she'd picked up the project already because Kaine expected Kyron to be on that bus.  My question is did Terri get a return email from the teacher on picking up Kyron's project?  Wouldn't the teacher have thought it odd that an evaluation DR. appointment, as Terri led her to believe, had taken all day?  Pediatrician offices stay pretty busy, but not busy enough to take the better part of a school day.  Moreover, IF there had been an appointment with a referral to a specialist, the specialist would not have been able to see Kyron same day.  So, wouldn't the teacher have wondered why Kyron hadn't come back?  Kyron, being such a sweet little guy, wouldn't the teacher have likely inquired about his health or mentioned sending his homework home with a buddy?  Wouldn't Terri, being a teacher, have asked about getting KYron's work?  If not, being a teacher, why wouldn't she?  Kaine, more than likely assumed (or was told) that Terri had picked up the project because that was why she told him she needed the truck in the first place.  Since Kaine had already seen the project, he'd have had no need to go look at it in Kyron's room or anything.  Terri knew Kyron wouldn't be on that bus because she knew he was no longer at the school.  JMO 

[Scandi]

21.Letsworktogether says:
September 19, 2010 at 7:53 pm
 
Kyron knew who he left the school with, not a stranger, and not his stepmom.



Indeed.
B

That could likely be someone he knew thru the school or another family member IMO   Hmmmmm  Too bad they didn't say who they think he left with !!!

[Puzzler]

Call me nuts but I've even thought just maybe DeDe was riding around with Kiara that morning with Terri's cellphone hence the ping near Sauvie Island while Terri did something with Kyron.

Hi Fatcatlurker,  If the Horman truck was seen in the area of Newberry Rd [as LE might have witnessing to], once you intersect with Hwy #30 it is just a short distance up to the SI bridge.

Thank you.  I'm not familar with the area at all but I have read locals post that if you are close your phone pings off Sauvie Island.  Meaning not even on the Island...I guess.

Yes, I think you're right.  I saw once a map of the cell phone towers in that area and there's only a couple of towers, so it would make sense that you don't have to be "on" the island to have a cell phone ping from that tower.

[Shell]

Yes - this email from Terri;

 I left the school at 9 and he was seen with a man ‘chaperone’ and 2 girls after I left. There were no men on the chaperone list. That and it was highly chaotic - had to been 300 people running around - no coordination ...”

http://www.terrihorman.com/2010/08/terri-hormans-emails-surrounding-kyrons.html

I can't find a real news link at the moment so this will have to do.  I think she sent this email out 06/05/2010 the day after.

http://www.katu.com/news/local/100582364.html

..(stensen lawn tech) He said he remembers that even with the science fair taking place that morning things didn’t seem particularly chaotic.
“It seemed like just a pretty normal day,” he said. “It was kind of damp and wet. It had been...

was the "he was seen" a direct quote from the email? I mean, if she was the only person to have said she saw Kyron with a man chaperon (sp corrected here), then why did she say he was seen as apposed to "I saw him with..."?

[Scandi]

I think this is the presser B is refering to on August 12,2010:

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/08/live_video_watch_the_kyron_hor_1.html

I'm too tired.  My desk isnt' too comfortable!!

Goodnight Monkeys!!



7227 and FlyMonkey~

Very interesting listening to that presser again where they gave out a call for witnesses to come forward with what they had seen and make sure their witnessing was not done by suggestion of some sort like watching the news on TV.

The first thing they asked for was any witness who had seen the Horman truck parked in either of the two areas on the access road and witnessed someone either in the truck or in the immediate area of the truck.  Photos of the 2 Freddies stores were also shown. 

Then at the end of the presser, the prosecutor said he would answer one more question, and he said a witness/witnesses has come forward and said they saw this and now they want another witness who saw the same thing.    I think this is HUGE.  One of the very first things we learned in the case was that Kyron was seen outsid the south door like he was waiting.  I'm wondering now if LE has a witness placing KIyron outside and in the area of the Horman truck between 8:15 and 8:45.  I need to double check that time.  He said one time and then changed it.

I'm really tired and haven't slept yet tonight. But I would like to have someone else listen and see if they come up with what I heard.  My words aren't exact as I didn't take notes.


Now my brain is caught on a thought about the man who was riding the lawnmower.  He put himself right at that spot on the access road at the time when Terri would have had her car parked there as I read it.  To me that means he had OPPORTUNITY, right?  Then he changed his story re the time he was there, widening it out a bit up to 9am I believe.

At the very first part of the presser I got the feeling the person that was seen either in or in the area of the truck could have been Kyron.  We have also learned in a comment on the God site that Terri was seen hiding in a doorway at the school.

Well, maybe some brilliant mind here can put this together so it isn't speculation but logical based on the info given in the presser.


This might have been HUGE points of info they put out on the 12th because whoever might have been seen by or in the truck would have had the opportunity to take Kyron.  Someone has already given them that witness account and they need another witness of the same thing to evidently make it a viable clue as to what was going on at that time.   IMO

Stopping in quickly to catch up and saw this.  I apologize in advance that I haven't learned yet to snip quotes.  The point is, in listening to the prosecutor, he actually said, "a witness/witnesses has have come forward and said they saw this and now they want another witness who saw the same thing...".  The verb have implies more than witness (as in: a witness has / witnesses have).  Perhaps this is such a practiced mantra of prosecutors/LE that it flows fluidly from their mouths.  However, I prefer to think it's because they do indeed, have a number of witnesses to the truck's locations and individuals in/near the vehicle.     Props to the Sheriff, Detective, and Prosecutor also!  Excellent press conference-I like their style!

Thanks ISpy, I missed that. 

[Deenie]

I would " Love" to know what Ms. Porter has on her " daily reports"

Since Terri demanded them on a daily, would Ms. Porter have written " Kyron" was acting funny, Fuzzy, Walking into walls, staring into space .. almost unconscious at times but not really .. That Kaine and Desiree had no knowledge of ..Yet Terri told everyone else.
Or did these episodes only "Happen" when Kyron was alone with Terri ..hint hint slipping him Mickeys .. or even loading up his body slowly with something that make him act that way.
 
I am not buying into her stories, I can't believe it was explained to Kyron's doctor, ( Desiree not knowing) and a appointment was made weeks out .. was not enough to take him in without an appointment Urgent Care or even take him to Walk In Clinic or ?? ER for that matter..Just seizures as Terri calls them.. nothing too dire. And yet they came on all the sudden in the two weeks leading up to him going Poof... hmmm. 

Benadryl would be something she would have at her home.
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Read more: http://www.drugs.com/cdi/children-s-benadryl-d-allergy-and-sinus-liquid.html#ixzz102lsPAJ2

[fatcatlurker]

Does anyone know who Dave Stenson is?  Rudy is the landscaper and the MFH guy right. 

[fatcatlurker]

Does anyone know who Dave Stenson is?  Rudy is the landscaper and the MFH guy right. 

Oh is he the guy in the truck that was cutting the soccer field that day?

[Wyks]

Hi,  I can't find a timely link to Blink on Crime and am looking for the latest posts there.  Thanks for the help  xox

This has likely been answered, but just in case .. one way to easily reach the site for Blink on Crime is just scroll up any page in SM to the top.  Where you see 'Scared Monkeys Forum', look to the far right... and click on "Crime".  That takes you to Blink's site.   

[Shell]

If anybody knows...how did Tanner know what time he saw Kyron? I did not see the interview, was just wondering how a friend (?) of Kyrons's knew the time. Did he wear a watch and could tell time?

[fatcatlurker]

http://blinkoncrime.com/2010/09/09/kyron-horman-missing-case-review-and-birthday-wishes-to-the-frog-prince/comment-page-18/#comments

krowdkat says:
September 19, 2010 at 11:19 am
After re-listening to the Aug. 12th presser, it now seems evident to me that a witness told LE about a make/model of a vehicle parked near the white truck and that LE was asking for parents/relatives of students parked in the vacinity to call in with their make/models so they could eliminate them and then isolate the specific vehicle parked next to TH’s vehicle (the vehicle LE suspects of whisking Ky away from the school).

Two nearly identical white trucks-

One parked in the rear, and Terri parked on the shoulder.
B
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Two nearly identical white trucks-

[Bearlyhere]

Puzzler- Do you remember in the begining hearing a report of a white pickup and red mustang hauling a@@ back from Sauvie Island? Allegedly this was reported to the police. Also it's been stated, when discussinf life insurance policies, there was a lot of debt. IMO, as an ex wife, I can understand Terri calling Desiree because my ex husbands, now ex, would call me as well because she felt I could relate to her. The day they broke up, she came to my house and said "Everything you ever told me was true"!

MK, yes, I do recall some time back that someone reported a white truck and red mustang driving fast at Sauvie Island.  I recall asking at that time if we'd ever heard for a fact that Kaine was actually "at work all morining". My question was not well accepted, if my memory serves me right.  Anyway, I still wonder if Kaine was actually at work all moring until after lunch time.  Seems to me he could have left at any time during the morning and maybe even have gone back to work, as he seems to have a very loose schedule as to working in the office or working at home.  Would be an easy excuse to "have to go home to pickup up something".

Life insurance policies - recently read a remark Kaine's debt would eat up any life insurance proceeds...but it was from a questionable source that I read it.  Life insurance policies are not always what they seem to be, as it could be that the beneficiary or beneficiaries could be someone other than Terri (such as his children) or only a percentage to Terri and the rest to his children (i.e., 1/3 each to Terri, Kyron and Kiara OR 50% to Kyron and 50% to Terri/Kiara).

My 2 cents...

 I just found it here.

Re: Kyron Horman Discussion thread.....
« Reply #761 on: July 25, 2010, 11:41:51 AM »   

Quote from: dizzydazze on July 25, 2010, 08:43:52 AM
I am new here so if this has already been posted please disregard.

There has been comments made by residents on Sauvie Island that TH red mustang was seen traveling at a high rate of speed on the west side of the island going north around 9-10 am on June 4. These residents swear they seen her red mustang....so my question is, if they are so certain.....that it was TH red mustang how could it have been her if Kaine took the mustang to work at 7:45am? I have asked them and they still swear it was her mustang....

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:L4y0mcbuLPoJ:forums.radionewz.net/index.php%3Ftopic%3D137.780+white+truck+and+red+mustang+driving+fast+at+Sauvie+Island.&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=opera

Truthfully, I could go to my spouse's place of business at any given time, exchange cars, run errands, and return the car...and no one would necessarily be the wiser.  It is possible.  We can't assume Terri had Kiara at any point after Kaine left.  For all we know, someone may have come to the house and watched Kiara while Terri took Kyron to school.  Terri may have handed Kiara off to someone in the school parking lot, the access road, or at either Freddie's.  She may have handed Kiara off anywhere after she left the Freddie's (may have given her meds to sleep, IF she had an earache). Unless Intel has hired security at the parking lot gate/property entrance, it's possible.  Think about it, no one would be looking for her in a red mustang, if she drove a white Ford truck to school.  Just sayin'.

Hi ISpy!  <You are nekkid>

I remember reading in the very beginning that the reason Terri left so early was that she had to get back to Kiara.  I have not been able to find it since.

I think that a red mustang in the parking lot would stand out a lot more than a white truck.  I also think that Kaine is smart enough to know if his car was moved in the short time he was at work.  The mustang would also have been hot having just been driven, after all, he had a short day and would have come out to find his car too hot for time he was in work.

I think in all probability Kaine's work had more security than Kyron's school.  That is the sad part about us, we protect our work product more than we protect the most precious resource we have, our children.  Our children are also more vulnerable than anything we could possible make, they are irreplaceable, each one unique in their own right.  We cannot afford to lose even one to the violence and abuse we have been blogging about.  They should all be precious.

Kyron, hang in there, buddy!

 


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