Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND,OR #29 9/18/10 - 9/21/10

[sackyattack]

Terri horman opposites


http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/search_for_missing_portland_bo.html

Gina Zimmerman, president of the school PTA, dropped by the Skyline search scene Saturday morning with her 8-year-old daughter Madi, who has been a classmate of Kyron for three years.

“He’s not the type of child who would just go out of school and go searching or wandering around,” Zimmerman said. “He’s just a timid, sweet boy.”

Zimmerman said the boy has no learning disabilities. “He’s a good kid who follows the rules,” she said.

[sackyattack]

http://www.katu.com/news/95702034.html
Story Published: Jun 5, 2010 at 6:37 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 5, 2010 at 8:12 PM PDT
PORTLAND, Ore. – Investigators say not a trace of Kyron Horman has turned up, even with hundreds of people searching.
Now searchers look through tall grass, from the air and on foot, for any sign of the little boy. The FBI has now joined the search, as has the National Guard. Using an infrared system, heat detection and a search pattern grid to not miss an inch, searchers have completely searched an area of about two miles surrounding the school

[sackyattack]

http://www.katu.com/news/95702034.html
Story Published: Jun 5, 2010 at 6:37 PM PDT
Story Updated: Jun 5, 2010 at 8:12 PM PDT
PORTLAND, Ore. – Investigators say not a trace of Kyron Horman has turned up, even with hundreds of people searching.
Now searchers look through tall grass, from the air and on foot, for any sign of the little boy. The FBI has now joined the search, as has the National Guard. Using an infrared system, heat detection and a search pattern grid to not miss an inch, searchers have completely searched an area of about two miles surrounding the school.


We're asking people who live in the area to do an exhaustive, no-stone-unturned search of their property," said Captain Jason Gates at the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office. They are being asked to search everything, including "their outbuildings, cars and trucks."

Gates said they have enough professionals for the search. Even so, one of Kyron's neighbors has put up missing fliers, hoping the photo will help remind people what Kyron looks like

Meantime, classmates and their parents as well as complete strangers worry and try to help. The father of one Skyline Elementary School student, 5-year-old Pierce Sherpa, said his son couldn't sit home any longer: "He heard the news last night and he said this morning 'Let's go. We gotta go, gotta go find this little boy.'"

He, like others around the search perimeter, hope the little boy is OK.

Investigators said the family is cooperating in the case: "Our point is don't lose hope." We asked a spokesperson for the Multnomah County Sheriff's Office about the step mother's whereabouts and what she knows. Deputies said they can't comment, as it is part of the investigation.

The search for Kyron will continue throughout Saturday night.

(Before the people show up on Sunday.)

[Deenie]

Koko when this case first hit SM .. I was very much on the fence.  I had pure empathy for Terri Horman.
I was concerned for Her. I thought  HOLY CRAP god forbid anyone would be this scrutinized for being named the last person to see their child at a public school.
I even said that Terri is going to need a Flack Jacket to go retrieve her mail from her own mail box ..that was around the time she was named and failing her Polys.
Then came into play the news of Kaine's brother who was given his sentencing of child molestation ( had been in the court system for many months prior) that he was going to Jail.
Then soon after came ..the flier created by LE ..sent out to everyone to fill out.
With Terri's photo and the photo of the white pick up. Nothing known or making any sense at that time. Then things started being let out, leaked .. Ok fine. Then the MFH Plot hit the news .. June 26. Was then too much to not take into consideration, this is no longer about Kyron ..but the dysfunctions of his family and those who surrounded his life. Everything went South and Sideways. Kyron at times almost being detoured that he was not even a thought.. That it became the focus of the Adults bad behaviors..

I think this is why this case is so emotional, because most of us cannot grasp the known behaviors of the Adults responsible for Kyron let alone the " unknown" behaviors that they may or may not have conducted ..yet are being looked into. LE said it themselves " this is now a case of findings .. that are considered personal to LE ..that it is so ugly".. though not confessed from LE what avenue of ugly it is .. speculating it is of child abuse,trafficking, pornography, drug trade, illegals, landscapers.. and it does not help that we have such ppl as " Slap happy pappy " walk in and say " a parade will be bigger than ? the day Kyron is found" He is alive, I am a child advocate and I have knowledge .. puke OH did I forget to mention my DAD of 70+ yrs of age is serving prison time for Child PORN, found in his office and his house .. that he was investigated for how many years .. But I had to tell everyone that I was Dede's fiance and she is a stand up slob that has no work ethics, did once though, she was once cute, but she got fat, lost her job and tried to take advantage of me.. But she would never hurt anyone. Too bad he forgot about the Dog she practically killed in her own house, pet sitting. Everyone near and close to Kyron has a bucket next to them that is filling up slowly ..  excluding One and that is his Mother " Desiree".
I say let them all fend for themselves .. its about Kyron and the facts that come in .. when they do .. the last presser of sheriff Staton was within words ..this is not just about Kyron but of a concern that is of HIM and has become bigger and more evil than we could have imagined - so its in the hands of higher ranks than I.. we are not leaving this a cold case. We will continue on. But the jurisdiction is now in the hands of ?? who would be higher ranking than State Police... basically Kyron's case within the investigation and his family members/associates has taken LE agencies on a tour they never expected to be on.
 

We wait and Pray.

Me is signing off.
Good Night/Morning all

[sackyattack]

At the start of the disapearance of Kyron with all the searchering and Kyrons family  distraught, terri hormans  mother gave this account, which she would have had to gotten the information from th herself. Why didn’t th give the information to the oregonian herself? Upon further investigation, she would have been found to be lying. This way she isnt really lying, just having other people give her version of events, why? To confuse le I believe, and keep suspiscion away from herself.  
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/details_emerge_about_the_day_k.html
Details emerge about the day Kyron Horman turned up missing

By Lynne Terry, The Oregonian
June 05, 2010, 11:21PM
Friday began as a special day for 7-year-old Kyron Horman. His school in Northwest Portland was having a science fair and he was keen to show off his project to his stepmother.

So, instead of taking the bus near his home off Cornelius Pass Road as usual, he hopped into the car with his stepmother, Terri Moulton Horman, who drove him to Skyline Elementary School.

They arrived sometime after the school opened about 8 a.m., went to his classroom, dropped off his coat and backpack and he showed his stepmother his exhibit, "The Red-Eyed Tree Frog."

Horman, who has raised Kyron since he was an infant, snapped a picture of him standing in front of it that she later posted on her Facebook page. It shows a bespectacled and beaming short-haired boy wearing a blue "CSI" T-shirt in front of an exhibit with photos of bug-eyed frogs, an anatomical drawing of the creature and other artwork.

"He was so excited about his science project," said Carol Moulton, Horman's mother and Kyron's grandmother. "They had worked on it together. He was anxious to take it to school and show it off."

After that, the two looked at other projects set up on desks in classrooms. There are about 300 students at Skyline Elementary, and all of them were invited to contribute to the fair.

Although the school usually opens at 8:35 a.m. and the final bell rings 10 minutes later, the school opened as early as 8 Friday for the science fair, said Matt Shelby, spokesman for Portland Public Schools.

Other students and parents showed up early as well to check out the fair, and Terri and Kyron saw people they knew while looking at the exhibits, Carol Moulton said.

Terri often volunteers at the school, working closely with Kyron's teacher, Kristina Porter. Shelby said that Porter saw Kyron in her classroom with his stepmom before 8:45 a.m. and another instructor reported seeing him in another classroom at some point.

At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class.

"He told her, 'I'm going back to the classroom, Mom,' and she waves to him and left," Carol Moulton said. "She thought he was safely at school just like he is everyday."

((edit)) - Oregonlive has specifically asked us not to copy their articles in full

 

[Itaryl Moosee]

Some questions LE knows the answers to but aren't telling:

1. Did the teacher's assistant corroborate Tanner's tale about her convo with Ms Porter?

As per reports at the time, there was no teacher assistant on June 4th at Kyron's room. And, I don't think Tanner's account was given much credibility by LE after he was interviewed.

2. Did the doctor say if Terri had mentioned Kyron's mini seizure's? Did she make an appointment for Kyron. If so, when did she make it and for what day and time?

I would think that if there was mention of "seizures", whether mini or major, the doctor would've given her an appointment ASAP, not a week later. So, the appointment must've been for something routine. MOO.

3. Did Terri ever give the school nurse meds for Kyron to take?

There was no mention by anyone of his taking any meds, AFAIK.

4. Did a child come forward with a tale of Terri hiding somewhere in the school?

Rumor, not confirmed by anyone on official capacity.

5. Is Rudy Sanchez definitely the landscaper Terri hired and does he have an alibi on 6/4?

I wish to know where the name Rudy Sanchez came from, but... everyone who comments about the landscaper calls him that, so it is assumable that someone, somewhere, somehow, has gotten official confirmation that Rudy Sanchez is the landscape guy. I am sure LE has checked any of his alibis, but no official word on it.

6. What was on Terri's hard drive?

No idea, but LE knows.

I can guess she had an abnormal amount of social media interactions (signs of someone feeling lonely or isolated by circumstances or choice.) I'm sure there are interchanges with other people online, like in chat, facebook, myspace, etc...

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It is hard for us to discuss the case without having official news coming out of the Sheriff's office, and so some details being passed around are rumors, or hearsay by someone who heardsay.

Even "official" news on the local media changes from week to week, as we have seen.

I would like some of the details of the case discussed by those in charge. I mean, how can't it hurt the investigation at this point and time.

MOO.

[Itaryl Moosee]

Just one more thing:  I'm going to TRY to keep my monkey mouth shut from now on regarding speculation and theories UNLESS IT MAY HELP TO RETRIEVE KYRON. 

We have to find him.   

Let the jury convict later.  IMO all of these accusations and defending of the adults involved in Kyron's case is a distraction and has done nothing to serve him. 

We should be looking at everyone involved in an unbiased fashion and with a jaundiced eye, IMO.  Why do ANY of them need defense at this point?  NO ONE has been accused of anything, formally. 

Good night, Monkeys!

 

The shenanigans behind the case keep the public eye focused on the case.

As long as there is sex, money, conspiracies, odd twists and turns, it should remain in people's mind.

Unfortunately, but that is the way it works with people these days.

[Itaryl Moosee]

.... At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class.

"He told her, 'I'm going back to the classroom, Mom,' and she waves to him and left," Carol Moulton said. "She thought he was safely at school just like he is everyday."

What happened to the boy who went missing is unclear.

Carol Moulton said the kids were supposed to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone. Afterward, when they returned to their classes for roll call, Kyron wasn't there, she said.

After leaving the school, Terri went about her day, running errands and taking care of household chores. She is a former elementary school teacher and has worked as a substitute teacher at various schools, but Moulton said that in recent years she has mainly been a stay-at-home mom...

Some of the people interviewed in the beginning of the case, acquaintances and family, gave their recollections and stories based on what Terri had told them.

Accounts like what good friends Terri and Desiree were before Terri snatching Kaine away.

Now we know Terri just snatched him while Desiree was pregnant and unaware of what was going on, until after the fact... and, according to some reports, that Terri and Desiree hadn't even been friends.

[newfie]

.... At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class.

"He told her, 'I'm going back to the classroom, Mom,' and she waves to him and left," Carol Moulton said. "She thought he was safely at school just like he is everyday."

What happened to the boy who went missing is unclear.

Carol Moulton said the kids were supposed to report to their classes and be divided into small groups of a few students each. Each group was supposed to tour the science fair with a chaperone. Afterward, when they returned to their classes for roll call, Kyron wasn't there, she said.

After leaving the school, Terri went about her day, running errands and taking care of household chores. She is a former elementary school teacher and has worked as a substitute teacher at various schools, but Moulton said that in recent years she has mainly been a stay-at-home mom...

Some of the people interviewed in the beginning of the case, acquaintances and family, gave their recollections and stories based on what Terri had told them.

Accounts like what good friends Terri and Desiree were before Terri snatching Kaine away.

Now we know Terri just snatched him while Desiree was pregnant and unaware of what was going on, until after the fact... and, according to some reports, that Terri and Desiree hadn't even been friends.

Good morning all, I hope this day finds you well and happy. The problem I have with all of these quotes in print from other people that Terri told her account to, is that they change. Terri has not told the same version to anyone, including LE. Truth is consistent. There is a little boys life at stake yet you cannot get your story straight. That is what pulled me off the fence way back when this all started.
Ispy you bring up some very valid points. If the entire morning was based on Kiara being sick, the doctors appt. for Kiara, etc. Where is the proof of the doctor appt.? If you are going out of your way to go to two different stores to purchase the medication, is that in your account for the morning routine? Why not pick up the project? If you have time to go to a gym with a sick child in tow , you can pick up the project and Kyron as well. Great points again Ispy.

Going back to the first day when Kyron was going to see the cool electric project and then waiting by the South door, waiting for who?
If Kyron was having mini seizures don't you think his teacher would have picked up on them?
Was someone messing with his head in that home? Was someone drugging him? If Kyron was sold to a human trafficking group, where is the money?

[Claycat]

Kokos Cat & Deenie, I feel so sad about the bad things that have happened to you both!  Hearing your stories actually makes me glad to live in a state where you can still defend yourself and protect your property.  You should have been helped and protected by the ones who are supposed to protect and serve from the beginning of your problems.  Criminal justice = justice for the criminals.

I'm hoping one day we will have justice for Kyron, but I'm not holding my breath.

[Scatty]

BTW, it could have easily gone the other way.  I just found out what the law was before my husband did.

Kokos Cat, what a horrible experience for you.
Terri sounds like your husband, a narcissistic sociopath. Kaine "won" custody because he found out from LE that there'd been a MFH attempt. If a woman is twisted enough to even think this, they are not stable enough to even be around kids IMO. Do you mean that if Terri manages to convince someone to kidnap Kiara for her, there's nothing Kaine can do? She could just disappear with Kiara if she chose with no consequences? I think that had been what she was planning at the gym. Grrr. Now I'm even more irritated. 

[Scatty]

  From OregonLive

At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class.

"He told her, 'I'm going back to the classroom, Mom,' and she waves to him and left," Carol Moulton said.

Now this is from Terri's mother so I believe that's what Terri told her. But Terri's tale is slightly off. If Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class, that would seem she was walking him to class. Why then would Kyron say, "I'm going back to the classroom, Mom"?
They were already close, why would he stop her, and even so, why wouldn't she take him right to the classroom? Three good reasons: Lies, fibs and fabrications.

[Patricia Mocha Latte]

Wyks is correct about a few of us who are sitting back reading and biting our tounges in regards to our personal thoughts regarding this case.
(I think she knows quite a few of us quite well actually lol.)
 

I continue to believe that Kyron is still alive.
I feel that this case and Kyron's disappearance is the result of a powder keg like affect that was brought on by several very selfish, ignorant and corrupt individuals. (That is me putting it nicely.)
It's as nice as I can afford.
That's pretty much all I can add to the discussion right now.

Well, that and to the person(s) responsible for Kyron's disappearance:
It's time to let Kyron be found. Drop him off at a Church, firestation, hospital, or school etc... Let Kyron go.

All JMVHO
~Peace

[Dihannah1]

Remember way way back ... as if it were so long ago " Not" .. Kyron has been missing since June. 

Way Way back in the cages I got upset and said this is like Melissa Huckaby and her Damn Suitcase. She kept saying to all that would listen " My Suitcase, My Suitcase" ..she reported her suitcase " Stolen" hours after Sandra Cantu was reported missing. She wanted a police report made that her suitcase had been stolen from her driveway .. AS if the Police would even care..at that moment. Sandra living just doors down. Sandra's report of being missing had engulfed all LE agencies.. They were focusing on a Missing SANDRA .. and could give a  rats axx of some woman " living down the street" from Sandra's house .. of her suitcase that was filled with paper decorations ..Who would report a suitcase stolen to the Police in the first place/filled with paper decorations while a child had been taken hours earlier .. as Melissa Huckaby said in her statement.. My Suitcase, My suitcase .. Her calling the Police.
( add every word that is not allowed on SM, and glue it to Melissa Huckaby forehead)
Sandra Cantu's body was found deceased, tortured, raped inside MH's Suitcase.
It's so ( I have no words) how FUBAR one individual can be and for them to carry out such an act of atrocity on a innocent child.  Yet the same time - Scream to the World I want to stand back and watch it all unfold so I can get off on it ..essentially is what MH did. Her Suitcase being the Key. 

With Terri we have a scenario that is " Gym" " GYM" " Gym"
She met Kaine when she first started working out.. she felt confident enough to hunt a Man and she found Kaine. She found him in 6/2002.  She is to have met Dede with Friends at the GYM. She then went on the quest after 35 to become a Body Builder. She took drugs to slim down, she worked out all the time, it became her. She wanted to be of the Body building Lifestyle. She wanted to Compete. She only did compete at the Emerald. She came in last place. She never competed after. She wanted she wanted she wanted. The key though is the GYM. GYM as a meet and greet. She was known a silent one from the Gym employee. She Terri worked out and left. Never made a spectacle of herself.
The Gym as I said before is Terri's Suitcase. I really think that there is a " Tie" to the GYM and Terri. Was it Steroids? Illegal Drug Trade? I have to go back to a post that I made in Caylee's cage ... If I can find it. I found out a lot within many hours of research on Roids. Why I searched Roids in Caylee's case was of the Syringe found near Caylee's body. 
I found out that there are certain " Gauge" Needles preferred by Roid users. Body Builders. And they were at one time being sold online. They are now not available as they were once.
I found this one guy was buying them in Droves online from a website. He was selling them 5 bones for each syringe/at a Gym. Which he paid less than 30 cents for them each. He was making HUGE Money off the syringes alone. Because if anyone were to outright buy them they would be flagged .. as a roid user. Because its not a medical issue say for Insulin .. to purchase Syringes .. and because of their muscle content they have to use this particular gauge needle ..for the Roids to penetrate. So its a double red flag .. that is why it was easier for those using illegal roids to buy the Syringes from the Locker vs the street or drug store.. Terri and her Gym .. Gym .. Yep.. Who did she meet up with that had connections to provide these " things/tid bits of knowledge/illegal yet in high demand " to her ..that she so wanted to be able to make her own money. That she made these concessions with someone who baited her in ..at the Gym. Terri thinking OH hell this is small time, give me more.
Again her being the Simp, and they planned it that way. They wanted her to graduate up. And that she did. Her thinking,  I can make some easy fast coin .. I will. No prob. She was that desperate for Money. I am not talking about Grocery Money either. She LIKES Money. Big Money. Me Thinks. And she has that inert way of inserting herself towards men using her body, her personality to its fullest ..to get what she wants. Which dealt her into another level of characters? and different drugs outside of roids? Terri is book smart..and possibly street smart.. but I think she underestimated how much her suitcase could carry or keep up with, and the Men she possibly Danced with along the way...   

Things that make you go Hmmmmm.
The one thing I have noticed time and time again because NG put it up on the big screen
" Over and Over " Terri when she was on stage as a body builder.. in the green bikini
NOT one drop of self confidence could I see in her. She was not focused at All. She was a Nervous Nelly. She had the BODY but did not have the Confidence to really pull it off..
I think she saw her competition that day and she was blown out of the water " in her Mind" before she got up on stage. She looked like a Duck being put into a pool of Jello and told to swim. Just an observation.
 

Great point!  GYM is the common denominator in alot of what has transpired since Kaine and Terry met.....

[fatcatlurker]

One more time; If anyone really cares to read them/question them and my links are not working let me know.  The documents are public and I am sure I can find more links for viewing. 

Link for RO for Kaine and Kiara - yes the RO covers the children and the MFH plot is used as well as some "Child Abuse" laws that I did not look into.

http://images.bimedia.net/documents/horman-affair.pdf


Houze's response to the RO on behalf of Terri Horman.

http://www.kptv.com/download/2010/0712/24228332.pdf

pdf file cannot copy and paste but basically says she will not be contesting anything pertaining to the RO?

[fatcatlurker]

Good Morning Monkeys!   Great thoughts rolling here! 

[fatcatlurker]

OT--- IM - I've seen you up there the last couple days.  Just wanted to say HI! And I hope all is well with you & yours! 

[Monkey King]

Kyron Horman billboards being taken down

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Kyron-Horman-billboards-being-taken-down-103401444.html

[Scandi]

Good Morning Peeps,

I see something that doesn't add up when you put this together with what Tanner said in his interview.  The article that Sacky posted from the 5th says:

[n]At 8:45 a.m. when the bell rang, Terri walked her stepson down the hall close to his class.   "He told her, 'I'm going back to the classroom, Mom,' and she waves to him and left," Carol Moulton said. "She thought he was safely at school just like he is everyday.[/b]"

I don't have the exact quote from Tanner's interview but what he said is ingrained in my mind.  He said he and Kyron passed in the hallway, Kyron saying he was going to go see the electrical project.  Tanner then went down the stairs and never saw Kyron again.  That means Kyron had just come up the stairs and was in the second floor hallway for them to have passed each other, Kyron having just walked past his school room.  So Terri couldn't have just walked her stepson down the hall to his class.

I believe Tanner went down and Kyron had just come up the stairway close to their classroom.  The stairs at the other end of that hallway are different and you have to take a jog and walk thru another room to go down the stairs.  That wouldn't fit Tanner's statement in the ease of passing Kyron and going right down the stairs.  IMO

This is a tiny thing but sometimes those things count big time.  I think it proves Terri lied, and she didn't walk her stepson down the hall if he had just come up the stairs and passed Tanner.  8:45, too late in the timeline as well for any further change for her to come back with a reasonable explanation for this discrepancy.  By then she should have been moving the truck, right?  Something is not right unless Carol Moulton got it screwed up in telling about what happened.   IMO

[Dihannah1]

Koko.. God bless you and your daughter and Thank God you got away.   

I hate to hear about these stories, but it's good we do, to keep these type of things in the limelight, hopefully get some changes in our laws, among putting child predators away for life, 1 strike, yoouuuuurrr ouuuttt! Period!  And I don't find this off topic, as these are the type of things that  brings us all together and makes us such a well versed group to work with and that is our life experiences, and each of our specialized expertise which can help us understand why or why not on many things, such as Terri not appearing to fight to high heaven for her daughter.  Not, that we are aware of, at least.  I personally, could NOT keep my mouth shut for my childrens sakes and like you, have a problem with lying ( it's a shame, honest people suffer for doing the right thing, go figure).  So "I" personally do not understand why she isn't doing something to get her daughter, unless she knows she doesn't have a leg to stand on and there is more info. she doesn't want brought out publicly, OR elsewhere.