Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND,OR #29 9/18/10 - 9/21/10

[Monkey King]

That may be why Terri was requesting the daily updates on Kyron.  To see if someone else was seeing a change in his behavoir.  Once it was determined, by the color coding system the teacher had, Terri notified the Dr. who suggested the teacher complete the paperwork and submitt it to the Dr., along with Terri's input for his evaluation.

If she thought he was ill, why would she want Kaine to punish him and have Kyron confined to his room? He was not ill nor did he deserve to punished for not having the right color report. TH was not a nice person.

I have no clue what the correct answer to your question is.  You would have to ask TH that question directly.  I can only speculate, which, like everyone else, is what I'm doing. 

I do know at that age, kids have a hard time sitting still, they talk and a lot of the time, just don't pay attention.  Apparently, Kyron had issues in following directions at school, listening to his teacher.

It's been said Terri was the one who came to the conclusion Kyron needed glasses.  Obviously, it appears, with her backround in teaching, she was noticing something else going on-either a behavoir issue and/or a physical problem.

Sounds like the intial response was he was fooling around in class, thus the punishment of going to his room.  Subsequent to that, the concerns were addressed with the Dr.- as the teacher was to monitor Kyron's behavoir.

       

[Scandi]

If we go with the school scenario in that Ky was taken an placed in the basement, why would a perp do this?  How could the perp guarantee that Ky would not be found or make noise or die in the school?  He would have to be drugged and then tied and then have something put over his mouth which could result in him dying from not being able to breathe.

That scenario makes no sense to me.

Nor to me, HelloKitty.  I am very intrigued by the suggestion that slipped out when Desiree was answering a question on camera -- that Kyron was seen by a witness or witnesses near a white truck (presumably at the school) which may or may not have been the truck Terri drove to the school that morning.  If it is true that a witness saw Kyron near the/a truck after the time when Terri supposedly told him goodbye and walked out of the building, then that is a highly significant fact to take into account.  And highly incriminating to Terri, IMO.

Shortly after LE began investigating Kyron's disappearance, they assured the public that no one else was in danger, and that Kyron's disappearance was an isolated incident.  From what they were hearing/learning in those first hours, they seem to have known right away that it was not a stranger abduction... IMO, they understood very early on that in Terri, they were dealing with a classic case of LLPOF.  (Thanks, Nana!)

Well, if they were that "sure" of Terri "right away", it's sad that in almost 4 months they've not been able to develop enough concrete evidence for an arrest. 

I think that it could have been "too soon" to have totally turned to "Terri only" and made that sweeping decision in the first hours.

What does an isolated incident mean exactly?  Does is mean that only one child was taken?  Yes, that's obvious.  But to say everything's okay because this is an isolated incident - what does that mean and how can LE determine that with certainty in the first few hours?  You can't say because the stepmom did it - because after all this time and all this pressure LE hasn't arrested the stepmom.

Maybe Terri is the "one" and if she is I hope to he77 they put her under the prison.

I can't figure out if the person(s) doing this is really smart and planned for days in advance, or just simply lucky to get away with taking Kyron during a split-moment of opportunity.


Kyron by the truck - have we heard a timeframe for that?  I don't recall one.  Kyron could have been seen by the truck when he first got to school, too.  A timeframe would help to clear that up.

Hi Puzzler,  In the presser of the 12th LE said the time frame for the truck being parked on the access rd was 8:15 to 8:45.

[hellokitty]

 

I have  to clarify why I do not think he was taken at the school and kept there by a perp.  Unfortunately, I have to get graphic.

If a perp wanted a child just to kill, he certainly could have done it an easier and less dangerous way.  The chances for getting caught would be great.

If the perp wanted a child for sex purposes, to drug a child and put duct tape on a child's mouth for hours could cause panic attacks or make it so the child cold die from suffocation.  If the child had a cold or asthma , the child could suffocate and die.  If the perp didn't care if a child was dead or alive, then an easier time and place to get a child could certainly e conceived of.

True, I am not a psycho nut, so perhasp this would be perfectly reasonable, but I can't see it.  It's way too risky of a situation without a pretty guaranteed result.

[nana0567]

I meant to add, Kaine having the same reaction as it was all in Terri's head, and Kyron didn't have an issue. 

Once it came to the school's attention Kyron had a Dr. appt and the teacher had to monitor him, which I'm sure Ms. Porter shared with staff- he disappeared.

Allegedly, Terri had the discussion on Thursday about the Dr. appointment.  I do not remember the source of that statement, I want to say it came from Terri's camp early in the investigation.  I will try and locate it later on today.

The Dr. had to be aware of Terri's allegations of seizures, becaue Terri supposedly gave Ms. Porter documentation she was supposed to fill out while she monitored Kyrons behaviour at school.

I've never been clear on the "reason" for the doctor's appointment.  Terri talked about Kyron acting odd for a couple of weeks.  Where did the word "seizures" come from?  Terri? Or could it be that Terri had already taken Kyron to a doctors (perhaps family doctor) before and discussed Kyron's actions with that doctor.  Maybe that doctor suggested "seizures" and so an appointment was made to go see a "specialist".  Or...maybe the doctor was the kind of doctor what would work with Kyron to to evaluate his actions. 

Or, maybe Kyron was simply going for a regular check-up.  Or to the eye doctor. 

However, with the supposed paperwork from the doctor for the teacher to complete, it does sound like there had been a previous vist or previous visits to the doctor.  In that case, I can't believe that Kaine wasn't aware of the doctor visit(s).  Maybe he didn't agree that Kyron has something going on, or maybe it simply that with Kaine being so intelligent himself - he wouldn't want to consider that his son may have some kind of problem.

Question: some have said that Terri had just started making this up about Kyron...but...wouldn't she have had to previously taken Kyron to the doctor in order to get paperwork for the teacher to complete?

I'm by no means a doctor...but I don't necessarily think Terri would have had to taken Kyron to the doctor. She could've called the family doctor if they have one...explained to them what she seemed to be the only one noticing. They could have had her come to the office and pick up paper work for her and the teacher/teacher's to observe how Kyron was acting. I know when one of my children were evaluated for ADD/ADHD that is how it was handled...they wanted the questionnaire answered by his teachers and a parent...and then about a week later you go in for your child's appointment with the completed paper work. However, these so called seizures would be more dangerous then being tested for ADD/ADHD and I would think he should have been supervised a little better. Personally, if one of my children were going through those type of seizures I would keep them home and home school them until it was safe for them to go back to school. I'm with allot of other monkeys and I just don't believe this seizure story...and Kaine, Desiree or Tony weren't aware of them either...so evidently they were only happening around Terry. Who knows maybe will find out differently later.

nana - thanks for your post, especially since you've had experience with this....my post was "what if's".

Puzzler, I haven't had experience with these seizures Terry is talking about. Just the paper work that your child's teacher and parent fill out to see how the child is acting at home and school. Sorry if I misunderstood your post, I was just answering your last question. I'm not sure if Kyron would have been taken to see a doctor before the paper work was filled out by teacher and a parent, but under the circumstances you would think so. My paper work had to do with ADD/ADHD. I just don't understand why the other 3 parents didn't know about these so called seizures.

[Puzzler]

That may be why Terri was requesting the daily updates on Kyron.  To see if someone else was seeing a change in his behavoir.  Once it was determined, by the color coding system the teacher had, Terri notified the Dr. who suggested the teacher complete the paperwork and submitt it to the Dr., along with Terri's input for his evaluation.

But, you DON'T PUNISH the child!......which is what she did when Kyron's behavior report wasn't perfect.
If you're really concerned and love your child, and you are witnessing episodes that appear to be seizures, you TELL the biological parents, notify the school, teachers, school nurse, bus driver, and see a doctor ASAP! AND don't leave him in a chaotic situation, alone, with 300+ children running around at a science fair!

Terri's stories about mini-seizures is bullsh!t lies.

Doctor's do not require paperwork to be filled out FIRST, before seen if you call and tell them your child is having episodes of zoning out, rendering him in a semi-conscious state.

It really is NOT abnormal for a 7 or 8 year old to have very short attention span, and not pay attention at any given moment....boys especially.
 
I have 2 grown sons, and believe me my oldest had an attention span of a gnat.....
until about 4th grade.


MOO

Is Kaine the source that aid Terri was punishing Kyron if his report from the teacher was perfect?

[Puzzler]

I meant to add, Kaine having the same reaction as it was all in Terri's head, and Kyron didn't have an issue. 

Once it came to the school's attention Kyron had a Dr. appt and the teacher had to monitor him, which I'm sure Ms. Porter shared with staff- he disappeared.

Allegedly, Terri had the discussion on Thursday about the Dr. appointment.  I do not remember the source of that statement, I want to say it came from Terri's camp early in the investigation.  I will try and locate it later on today.

The Dr. had to be aware of Terri's allegations of seizures, becaue Terri supposedly gave Ms. Porter documentation she was supposed to fill out while she monitored Kyrons behaviour at school.

I've never been clear on the "reason" for the doctor's appointment.  Terri talked about Kyron acting odd for a couple of weeks.  Where did the word "seizures" come from?  Terri? Or could it be that Terri had already taken Kyron to a doctors (perhaps family doctor) before and discussed Kyron's actions with that doctor.  Maybe that doctor suggested "seizures" and so an appointment was made to go see a "specialist".  Or...maybe the doctor was the kind of doctor what would work with Kyron to to evaluate his actions. 

Or, maybe Kyron was simply going for a regular check-up.  Or to the eye doctor. 

However, with the supposed paperwork from the doctor for the teacher to complete, it does sound like there had been a previous vist or previous visits to the doctor.  In that case, I can't believe that Kaine wasn't aware of the doctor visit(s).  Maybe he didn't agree that Kyron has something going on, or maybe it simply that with Kaine being so intelligent himself - he wouldn't want to consider that his son may have some kind of problem.

Question: some have said that Terri had just started making this up about Kyron...but...wouldn't she have had to previously taken Kyron to the doctor in order to get paperwork for the teacher to complete?

I'm by no means a doctor...but I don't necessarily think Terri would have had to taken Kyron to the doctor. She could've called the family doctor if they have one...explained to them what she seemed to be the only one noticing. They could have had her come to the office and pick up paper work for her and the teacher/teacher's to observe how Kyron was acting. I know when one of my children were evaluated for ADD/ADHD that is how it was handled...they wanted the questionnaire answered by his teachers and a parent...and then about a week later you go in for your child's appointment with the completed paper work. However, these so called seizures would be more dangerous then being tested for ADD/ADHD and I would think he should have been supervised a little better. Personally, if one of my children were going through those type of seizures I would keep them home and home school them until it was safe for them to go back to school. I'm with allot of other monkeys and I just don't believe this seizure story...and Kaine, Desiree or Tony weren't aware of them either...so evidently they were only happening around Terry. Who knows maybe will find out differently later.

nana - thanks for your post, especially since you've had experience with this....my post was "what if's".

Puzzler, I haven't had experience with these seizures Terry is talking about. Just the paper work that your child's teacher and parent fill out to see how the child is acting at home and school. Sorry if I misunderstood your post, I was just answering your last question. I'm not sure if Kyron would have been taken to see a doctor before the paper work was filled out by teacher and a parent, but under the circumstances you would think so. My paper work had to do with ADD/ADHD. I just don't understand why the other 3 parents didn't know about these so called seizures.

Sorry, if I didn't say that plainly...I really meant that you had experience with the "paperwork".

I don't understand it either.

[Lazydog1]

I am now calming down. TYVM. 

I was so angry when I got home from work tonight, My BP is still very high.

I was driving home all was good. Turned on my road from the Hwy went around the sharp curve and about one more block down the street. When I was hit with WTH. Here are two little boys, no adults to be seen, riding motorized scooters down the middle of my lane of traffic. They are wearing helmets but the helmets are not fastened at all. The youngest one was probably 6yo if that. The older one maybe 8yo.  Behind me are about 3 other cars who can not see over my Pick up or around it to see why I am now traveling at slug pace.  I see one guy behind me who is ready to make the jump and fly by me. Nope not happening so I move over and take both lanes kind of which really angered the guy behind me.  I wasn't going to have these boys decide at that moment to strike out across the road and get hit. 

I managed to keep everyone behind me, get the little boys attention so they would get off the road without scaring them to death and gently ease around them. They were as far over to the curb as they could get and dead stop waiting for all of us to go around.

A beautiful little boy in our area is missing, no one knows what happened to him and people are still allowing these small children to just roam alone. 

 

[Puzzler]

If we go with the school scenario in that Ky was taken an placed in the basement, why would a perp do this?  How could the perp guarantee that Ky would not be found or make noise or die in the school?  He would have to be drugged and then tied and then have something put over his mouth which could result in him dying from not being able to breathe.

That scenario makes no sense to me.

Nor to me, HelloKitty.  I am very intrigued by the suggestion that slipped out when Desiree was answering a question on camera -- that Kyron was seen by a witness or witnesses near a white truck (presumably at the school) which may or may not have been the truck Terri drove to the school that morning.  If it is true that a witness saw Kyron near the/a truck after the time when Terri supposedly told him goodbye and walked out of the building, then that is a highly significant fact to take into account.  And highly incriminating to Terri, IMO.

Shortly after LE began investigating Kyron's disappearance, they assured the public that no one else was in danger, and that Kyron's disappearance was an isolated incident.  From what they were hearing/learning in those first hours, they seem to have known right away that it was not a stranger abduction... IMO, they understood very early on that in Terri, they were dealing with a classic case of LLPOF.  (Thanks, Nana!)

Well, if they were that "sure" of Terri "right away", it's sad that in almost 4 months they've not been able to develop enough concrete evidence for an arrest. 

I think that it could have been "too soon" to have totally turned to "Terri only" and made that sweeping decision in the first hours.

What does an isolated incident mean exactly?  Does is mean that only one child was taken?  Yes, that's obvious.  But to say everything's okay because this is an isolated incident - what does that mean and how can LE determine that with certainty in the first few hours?  You can't say because the stepmom did it - because after all this time and all this pressure LE hasn't arrested the stepmom.

Maybe Terri is the "one" and if she is I hope to he77 they put her under the prison.

I can't figure out if the person(s) doing this is really smart and planned for days in advance, or just simply lucky to get away with taking Kyron during a split-moment of opportunity.


Kyron by the truck - have we heard a timeframe for that?  I don't recall one.  Kyron could have been seen by the truck when he first got to school, too.  A timeframe would help to clear that up.

Hi Puzzler,  In the presser of the 12th LE said the time frame for the truck being parked on the access rd was 8:15 to 8:45.

So, we really don't know if Kyron was seen by the truck "before" he entered the school or sometime "later"?

[Desdemona]

Killer mom Diane Downs was suspected immediately by investigators, in the hours after she drove her children to the emergency room after having shot them and fabricated a story about a stranger on a dark road.

Investigators had no choice but to follow up on the stranger story.  But from the beginning they knew that her story was not adding up and her behavior was beyond suspicious under the circumstances.

They conducted a diligent investigation and her arrest did not take place until NINE MONTHS after she shot her children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Downs

Sometimes slow and steady wins the race, IMO.  It has been less than four months since Kyron disappeared.  Staton said that he felt confident there would be a prosecution.  He indicated that the task force will work diligently to make their case, and that there are many details and facts that he cannot share with the public at this point.

I do hope Kyron is found soon.

[Puzzler]

I am now calming down. TYVM. 

I was so angry when I got home from work tonight, My BP is still very high.

I was driving home all was good. Turned on my road from the Hwy went around the sharp curve and about one more block down the street. When I was hit with WTH. Here are two little boys, no adults to be seen, riding motorized scooters down the middle of my lane of traffic. They are wearing helmets but the helmets are not fastened at all. The youngest one was probably 6yo if that. The older one maybe 8yo.  Behind me are about 3 other cars who can not see over my Pick up or around it to see why I am now traveling at slug pace.  I see one guy behind me who is ready to make the jump and fly by me. Nope not happening so I move over and take both lanes kind of which really angered the guy behind me.  I wasn't going to have these boys decide at that moment to strike out across the road and get hit. 

I managed to keep everyone behind me, get the little boys attention so they would get off the road without scaring them to death and gently ease around them. They were as far over to the curb as they could get and dead stop waiting for all of us to go around.

A beautiful little boy in our area is missing, no one knows what happened to him and people are still allowing these small children to just roam alone. 

 

Wow, thank goodness it was you who pulled up behind them.

Reminds me that Kaine once said to the press that he didn't know if Kyron just walked out of the school on his own or not.  (I tend to think that's not what happened - just saying...)

[hellokitty]

That may be why Terri was requesting the daily updates on Kyron.  To see if someone else was seeing a change in his behavoir.  Once it was determined, by the color coding system the teacher had, Terri notified the Dr. who suggested the teacher complete the paperwork and submitt it to the Dr., along with Terri's input for his evaluation.

If she thought he was ill, why would she want Kaine to punish him and have Kyron confined to his room? He was not ill nor did he deserve to punished for not having the right color report. TH was not a nice person.

I have no clue what the correct answer to your question is.  You would have to ask TH that question directly.  I can only speculate, which, like everyone else, is what I'm doing. 

I do know at that age, kids have a hard time sitting still, they talk and a lot of the time, just don't pay attention.  Apparently, Kyron had issues in following directions at school, listening to his teacher.

It's been said Terri was the one who came to the conclusion Kyron needed glasses.  Obviously, it appears, with her backround in teaching, she was noticing something else going on-either a behavoir issue and/or a physical problem.

Sounds like the intial response was he was fooling around in class, thus the punishment of going to his room.  Subsequent to that, the concerns were addressed with the Dr.- as the teacher was to monitor Kyron's behavoir.

       

 

I seriously wonder what kind of teacher would think that punishing a child by putting him in his room for not listening in school  .

I would think that teachers would think of checking any organic issues first.  Then they would consider his age, as he is really young to be in his grade.  I would think  that most children are 8 years old when they start the third grade.  He turned 8 after school started.  That would make him one of the youngest in his class, I would imagine.  And boys have a harder time sitting still in school and listening.  There are many studies on this.

Her actions are not appropriate for his misbehavior.  She also said a snarky comment about him on her FB when she brought the baby to celebrate her birthday in Kyron's class.  She posted a picture where Kyron was not shown.  And made a remark about how he was in the bathroom without permission. 

Setting the stage, was she?  And who brings a baby to celebrate a birthday at school?

[Monkey King]

That may be why Terri was requesting the daily updates on Kyron.  To see if someone else was seeing a change in his behavoir.  Once it was determined, by the color coding system the teacher had, Terri notified the Dr. who suggested the teacher complete the paperwork and submitt it to the Dr., along with Terri's input for his evaluation.

But, you DON'T PUNISH the child!......which is what she did when Kyron's behavior report wasn't perfect.
If you're really concerned and love your child, and you are witnessing episodes that appear to be seizures, you TELL the biological parents, notify the school, teachers, school nurse, bus driver, and see a doctor ASAP! AND don't leave him in a chaotic situation, alone, with 300+ children running around at a science fair!

Terri's stories about mini-seizures is bullsh!t lies.

Doctor's do not require paperwork to be filled out FIRST, before seen if you call and tell them your child is having episodes of zoning out, rendering him in a semi-conscious state.

It really is NOT abnormal for a 7 or 8 year old to have very short attention span, and not pay attention at any given moment....boys especially.
 
I have 2 grown sons, and believe me my oldest had an attention span of a gnat.....
until about 4th grade.


MOO

Is Kaine the source that aid Terri was punishing Kyron if his report from the teacher was perfect?

Yes.

[Desdemona]

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Kyron by the truck - have we heard a timeframe for that?  I don't recall one.  Kyron could have been seen by the truck when he first got to school, too.  A timeframe would help to clear that up.

Hi Puzzler,  In the presser of the 12th LE said the time frame for the truck being parked on the access rd was 8:15 to 8:45.

So, we really don't know if Kyron was seen by the truck "before" he entered the school or sometime "later"?

Hmm.. since there are several witnesses to Kyron's having been present inside the school with Terri at the science fair that morning, I don't think investigators would be too interested in sightings of Kyron at the truck BEFORE they went in... So I think the interest is based on the idea that someone says they saw Kyron at the truck AFTER Terri supposedly walked out of the school and left him inside... right?

[Puzzler]

Killer mom Diane Downs was suspected immediately by investigators, in the hours after she drove her children to the emergency room after having shot them and fabricated a story about a stranger on a dark road.

Investigators had no choice but to follow up on the stranger story.  But from the beginning they knew that her story was not adding up and her behavior was beyond suspicious under the circumstances.

They conducted a diligent investigation and her arrest did not take place until NINE MONTHS after she shot her children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Downs

Sometimes slow and steady wins the race, IMO.  It has been less than four months since Kyron disappeared.  Staton said that he felt confident there would be a prosecution.  He indicated that the task force will work diligently to make their case, and that there are many details and facts that he cannot share with the public at this point.

I do hope Kyron is found soon.

I know you're right that slow and steady wins the race.  And is one of the reasons I commented that if Terri's ever arrested, that I hope the put her under the prison.  I believe LE will have their solid concrete evidence when they make arrest(s).  Short of finding Kyron....

I keep thinking the first week in October we'll know what happened to Kryon.  This means nothing.  Just that the first week of October keeps popping up in my mind. Maybe it's wishful thinking.

Why hasn't Terri cracked under all this pressure?  I've practically lost all hope that she's not going to crack this late in the game. 

Can't wait for their next court date.  Maybe something will come out of that? 

 

[Scandi]

If we go with the school scenario in that Ky was taken an placed in the basement, why would a perp do this?  How could the perp guarantee that Ky would not be found or make noise or die in the school?  He would have to be drugged and then tied and then have something put over his mouth which could result in him dying from not being able to breathe.

That scenario makes no sense to me.

Nor to me, HelloKitty.  I am very intrigued by the suggestion that slipped out when Desiree was answering a question on camera -- that Kyron was seen by a witness or witnesses near a white truck (presumably at the school) which may or may not have been the truck Terri drove to the school that morning.  If it is true that a witness saw Kyron near the/a truck after the time when Terri supposedly told him goodbye and walked out of the building, then that is a highly significant fact to take into account.  And highly incriminating to Terri, IMO.

Shortly after LE began investigating Kyron's disappearance, they assured the public that no one else was in danger, and that Kyron's disappearance was an isolated incident.  From what they were hearing/learning in those first hours, they seem to have known right away that it was not a stranger abduction... IMO, they understood very early on that in Terri, they were dealing with a classic case of LLPOF.  (Thanks, Nana!)

Well, if they were that "sure" of Terri "right away", it's sad that in almost 4 months they've not been able to develop enough concrete evidence for an arrest. 

I think that it could have been "too soon" to have totally turned to "Terri only" and made that sweeping decision in the first hours.

What does an isolated incident mean exactly?  Does is mean that only one child was taken?  Yes, that's obvious.  But to say everything's okay because this is an isolated incident - what does that mean and how can LE determine that with certainty in the first few hours?  You can't say because the stepmom did it - because after all this time and all this pressure LE hasn't arrested the stepmom.

Maybe Terri is the "one" and if she is I hope to he77 they put her under the prison.

I can't figure out if the person(s) doing this is really smart and planned for days in advance, or just simply lucky to get away with taking Kyron during a split-moment of opportunity.


Kyron by the truck - have we heard a timeframe for that?  I don't recall one.  Kyron could have been seen by the truck when he first got to school, too.  A timeframe would help to clear that up.

Hi Puzzler,  In the presser of the 12th LE said the time frame for the truck being parked on the access rd was 8:15 to 8:45.

So, we really don't know if Kyron was seen by the truck "before" he entered the school or sometime "later"?

No, we don't know.  I thought I read her truck was initially parked in the front or south part of the parking lot and then moved up to the shoulder of the access rd.  She said she got there between 8 and 8:15, right, even tho we know she clicked out of her 'puter at 8:01.  It is said it is only a few minutes to drive from Sheltered Nook to the school so she could have arrived at 8:15.  The doors were open at 8.  What time did Mrs Zimmerman see her in the room?  8:45?

We know Kyron was seen in the school and photographed there.  So I don't think LE would be trying to back up a witness account of seeing him by the truck before he first went into the bldg.  IMO

[Lazydog1]

Killer mom Diane Downs was suspected immediately by investigators, in the hours after she drove her children to the emergency room after having shot them and fabricated a story about a stranger on a dark road.

Investigators had no choice but to follow up on the stranger story.  But from the beginning they knew that her story was not adding up and her behavior was beyond suspicious under the circumstances.

They conducted a diligent investigation and her arrest did not take place until NINE MONTHS after she shot her children.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diane_Downs

Sometimes slow and steady wins the race, IMO.  It has been less than four months since Kyron disappeared.  Staton said that he felt confident there would be a prosecution.  He indicated that the task force will work diligently to make their case, and that there are many details and facts that he cannot share with the public at this point.

I do hope Kyron is found soon.

I know you're right that slow and steady wins the race.  And is one of the reasons I commented that if Terri's ever arrested, that I hope the put her under the prison.  I believe LE will have their solid concrete evidence when they make arrest(s).  Short of finding Kyron....

I keep thinking the first week in October we'll know what happened to Kryon.  This means nothing.  Just that the first week of October keeps popping up in my mind. Maybe it's wishful thinking.

Why hasn't Terri cracked under all this pressure?  I've practically lost all hope that she's not going to crack this late in the game. 

Can't wait for their next court date.  Maybe something will come out of that? 

 

Who knows maybe a few more months locked in that house with her parents, no phone, no computer, no friends, she will Crack!  Just not the way we hope she will.  I just can't believe a person who was as social on the Web as she was can maintain for that long and not break at some point and start spewing all.

JMO or my wishful thinking.

[Puzzler]

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Kyron by the truck - have we heard a timeframe for that?  I don't recall one.  Kyron could have been seen by the truck when he first got to school, too.  A timeframe would help to clear that up.

Hi Puzzler,  In the presser of the 12th LE said the time frame for the truck being parked on the access rd was 8:15 to 8:45.

So, we really don't know if Kyron was seen by the truck "before" he entered the school or sometime "later"?

Hmm.. since there are several witnesses to Kyron's having been present inside the school with Terri at the science fair that morning, I don't think investigators would be too interested in sightings of Kyron at the truck BEFORE they went in... So I think the interest is based on the idea that someone says they saw Kyron at the truck AFTER Terri supposedly walked out of the school and left him inside... right?

Of course what you've outlined makes logical sense. 

It's just so easy to also think that a witness could have said to LE that they saw Kyron by the truck and someone else was there. Cops asking what time?  Witness saying I'm not positive about the time; therefore, LE would ask for anyone seeing Kyron by the truck to come forward with any information they may have.  Sounds like LE is trying to get a verification, and trying to get a verification makes me think that their witness is either not 100% clear of the time they saw Kyron at the truck or not 100% certain there was another person at the truck.

[Lazydog1]

Dang it! I got in your box.  Sorry Puzzler, next time I promise I will knock and wait till you answer before entering your abode.

 

[Scandi]

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Kyron by the truck - have we heard a timeframe for that?  I don't recall one.  Kyron could have been seen by the truck when he first got to school, too.  A timeframe would help to clear that up.

Hi Puzzler,  In the presser of the 12th LE said the time frame for the truck being parked on the access rd was 8:15 to 8:45.

So, we really don't know if Kyron was seen by the truck "before" he entered the school or sometime "later"?

Hmm.. since there are several witnesses to Kyron's having been present inside the school with Terri at the science fair that morning, I don't think investigators would be too interested in sightings of Kyron at the truck BEFORE they went in... So I think the interest is based on the idea that someone says they saw Kyron at the truck AFTER Terri supposedly walked out of the school and left him inside... right?

NIX  lol  Just read your post.

[Wyks]

IMO, they are both involved (Terri and Kaine) in Kyron's disappearance, somehow.  And, I have a couple of different theories that are more focused on Terri.  But, IMO I don't believe Kaine is innocent.  I think that is one thing that may surprise us.  I have a very hinky feeling about Kaine.  I won't go into that too much yet, because it is still too "unpopular" and I'm still too new to the cage.

I believe that there is something very sinister that has gone on here.  Sex trafficking has been mentioned.  Though that would be truly horrific -- possibly a fate worse than death -- but, I dunno.  I don't believe that was Kyron's fate,  JMO.  I think it may have been something else.  The opposite of good. 

I think we should consider Satan worship.  

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Wyyyyyyyyks???  Are you out there?  Can I quote you please from way back?  What do you think, now about this possibility?

Respectfully yours,

K. Cat

 

Am here now.  lol  Was cleaning house and stuff all day. 

Of course you may quote me, anytime!   

I think everyone knows how I feel about Satanism in the Portland area.  Alive and well, and a possibility in this case.  And not just amongst the teens in the area who may just want to shock others and etc, for what some have suggested.  This is prevelant among the adults as well, and 'high-ranking official' type of adults at that.  All IMO tho, of course.