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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2010, 01:55:13 PM »

i think that is probably true, because  the comments after news stories show an enflamed public (not all, just some), and because even though the le has not named her as a suspect, they have done nothing to say to the public that she is not a suspect. fliers and questionaires that contained her and or dd spicher only. none for rudy sanchez or jason Name Redacted etc. so i think they might be liable if something were to happen to her, financially. jmo
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« Reply #21 on: September 18, 2010, 06:59:53 PM »

thought i would post this here, i am in washington and we just had county sherrifs elections, and well, sometimes ex sherrifs etc would come out of the woodwork saying how the current guy was messing up and this reminded me of that. the last paragraph is a comment i found under the caption for this story.



Ex-Sheriff Weighs In On Kyron Task Force - Portland News Story - KPTV Portland
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PORTLAND, Ore. -- A former Multnomah County sheriff said a task force could have been more useful earlier in the investigation into Kyron Horman's disappearance. Friday, September 17, 2010.

I would caution that all three of the retired LE spokesmen in this case have questionable credibility - look them up and find out how they retired. Not that I don't want to believe at least one of them is promulgating LE neglect, but we need to stay open to private agendas.

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« Reply #22 on: September 19, 2010, 11:15:26 AM »

I think Kyron became a liability to TH.  He saw/knew something about her that was going to be exposed to Kaine.  I think she carefully planned every step of this and did it all on her own.  I don't think he's hidden anywhere.  It's cold and calculating just like her jmo.

I'm not sure how all the pieces fit because this has so many twists and imo is only a couple pegs up from the Satsuma pillbillies case with unnecessary stuff thrown in to make it appear at times other than what it is.

I think we have moved into a whole new uncharted territory of prosecuting with no body/forensic evidence.  Maybe technology has not caught up or maybe some dumb laws are stopping us but it is clearly SNAFU imo.

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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2010, 09:57:21 PM »

My theory is that TH was pretty upset with Kaine over who knows what.   IMO, when people meet & start dating married people, the cycle will mostly likely repeat somewhere down the line.  I'm not saying every time, just kind of in general.  Anyway, I think that she had some substance abuse issues, compounded by post-partem & possibly used steroids while she was a body-builder.  It's my understanding steroids make people pretty paranoid, unpredictable and violent.  I think she planned to kidnap Kyron, with the intent to release him after she got paid. I think something went terribly wrong that day - maybe she didn't mean to harm Kyron more than just maybe drugging him and keeping him somewhere until she could get a ransom and something happened (he ODs?  She gets violent?).  I thinks she put him in the Columbia and I doubt he will ever be found.  IF TH did this, it's darn near a perfect crime.  It's hard to convict when there's no body - I know it's happened, but in this case I don't think LE has enough hard evidence to accuse or convict anyone. 

Another scenario is she passed him off to someone in a boat - but I find it hard to believe that anyone would keep him safe all this time.  If her cellphone pinged out on Sauvie that morning, I'd like to know why.  I've been there, and there wasn't much out there to do.  Kind of an odd place to just go hang out by yourself.

I don't think it was some unknown person.  Maybe she had help - Dede certainly knows something and I think that guy she was sexting with might know something as well. I can't even think about any other possibility like he's been pushed into some trafficking thing. 
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« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2010, 10:11:17 PM »

i was watching a movie, someone fell in a well, and i thought maybe i should
check that out, and as it turns out there are 2 wells near the hormans place
the 16300 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, was recent, i tried to find it on the bing
map but couldnt see it, the places look busy on bing birds eye and they are
 close ,01 mile apart, so that might shot that theory down, it would be
a fast way to disappear someone

01 mile apart
http://tinyurl.com/2vesv5z


abandoned wells near 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231

 16230 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231

0.3 mi
map
http://tinyurl.com/36gx5u5

well link pg 1
http://tinyurl.com/3y44kt4

http://apps.wrd.state.or.us/apps/gw/well_log/well_report.aspx?q=basic&township=2.00&township_char=N&range=1.00&sctn19=1&range_char=W&pagesize=10

well history, drilled 5/8/1986 finished 5/14/86
http://apps2.wrd.state.or.us/apps/misc/vault/vault.aspx?wl_county_code=MULT&wl_nbr=1692
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16300 NW Sheltered Nook Rd,

0.5 miles

map
http://tinyurl.com/39mz355

well link pg 4
http://tinyurl.com/3y44kt4

http://apps.wrd.state.or.us/apps/gw/well_log/well_report.aspx?q=basic&township=2.00&township_char=N&range=1.00&sctn19=1&range_char=W&pagesize=10

well history, drilled 3/30/2009 finished 3/30/2009
http://apps2.wrd.state.or.us/apps/misc/vault/vault.aspx?wl_county_code=MULT&wl_nbr=98914

http://apps.wrd.state.or.us/apps/gw/well_log/Default.aspx



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« Reply #26 on: October 04, 2010, 12:13:37 PM »

i was watching a movie, someone fell in a well, and i thought maybe i should
check that out, and as it turns out there are 2 wells near the hormans place
the 16300 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, was recent, i tried to find it on the bing
map but couldnt see it, the places look busy on bing birds eye and they are
 close ,01 mile apart, so that might shot that theory down, it would be
a fast way to disappear someone

01 mile apart
http://tinyurl.com/2vesv5z


abandoned wells near 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231

 16230 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231

0.3 mi
map
http://tinyurl.com/36gx5u5

well link pg 1
http://tinyurl.com/3y44kt4

http://apps.wrd.state.or.us/apps/gw/well_log/well_report.aspx?q=basic&township=2.00&township_char=N&range=1.00&sctn19=1&range_char=W&pagesize=10

well history, drilled 5/8/1986 finished 5/14/86
http://apps2.wrd.state.or.us/apps/misc/vault/vault.aspx?wl_county_code=MULT&wl_nbr=1692
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16300 NW Sheltered Nook Rd,

0.5 miles

map
http://tinyurl.com/39mz355

well link pg 4
http://tinyurl.com/3y44kt4

http://apps.wrd.state.or.us/apps/gw/well_log/well_report.aspx?q=basic&township=2.00&township_char=N&range=1.00&sctn19=1&range_char=W&pagesize=10

well history, drilled 3/30/2009 finished 3/30/2009
http://apps2.wrd.state.or.us/apps/misc/vault/vault.aspx?wl_county_code=MULT&wl_nbr=98914

http://apps.wrd.state.or.us/apps/gw/well_log/Default.aspx


Hmmm.... Good work.  Thanks for this info. You might consider contacting Harry Oakes to see if he's searched that area or is aware of these possibilities.
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« Reply #27 on: October 05, 2010, 04:19:27 PM »

I have to say I am starting to lean away from Terri having done this. That will not make me any friends but that is how I feel. I am not even sure anymore if she has anything to do with this such as planning it. I really am starting to doubt that.

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« Reply #28 on: October 09, 2010, 08:21:02 PM »

I have to say I am starting to lean away from Terri having done this. That will not make me any friends but that is how I feel. I am not even sure anymore if she has anything to do with this such as planning it. I really am starting to doubt that.



That may be possible TG. IMO I think this whole case lies closer to home than you think. I don't believe it's complicated at all. I do believe TH has a hand in it, but only from a distance, so to speak. She knows what happened to Kyron, but I don't believe for one minute that she ended his life.

I do believe that someone close to the family is responsible for Kyron missing, and that it was not intentional. I think this person will crack soon, and the guilt will overcome them.

The dots do connect as far as I can see, and I think it's going to be a bitter sweat day when the truth comes out. That's MOO.
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« Reply #29 on: October 17, 2010, 09:08:01 AM »

I have to say I am starting to lean away from Terri having done this. That will not make me any friends but that is how I feel. I am not even sure anymore if she has anything to do with this such as planning it. I really am starting to doubt that.



starting to think that too, its the timeline, if the info we have is correct,
that timeline is so tight for murder,dispose of victim, hand off, ect.
and only so many possibilities where he could be in the radius of that timeline
i keep thinking, then i blow holes in my own theories
an unknown S.O., fits the best, as the USO would have no reason to be in a hurry
about any thing that concerns the victim, since the USO, is unknown
maybe someone that reads this fourm, will think wow you know, johndoe, was gone
more time than he said he would be,and the excuse was lame, and start looking
at johndoe a little harder, we can only hope something clicks,and is 1+1=kyron
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« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2010, 04:49:47 PM »

I have to say I am starting to lean away from Terri having done this. That will not make me any friends but that is how I feel. I am not even sure anymore if she has anything to do with this such as planning it. I really am starting to doubt that.



starting to think that too, its the timeline, if the info we have is correct,
that timeline is so tight for murder,dispose of victim, hand off, ect.
and only so many possibilities where he could be in the radius of that timeline
i keep thinking, then i blow holes in my own theories
an unknown S.O., fits the best, as the USO would have no reason to be in a hurry
about any thing that concerns the victim, since the USO, is unknown
maybe someone that reads this fourm, will think wow you know, johndoe, was gone
more time than he said he would be,and the excuse was lame, and start looking
at johndoe a little harder, we can only hope something clicks,and is 1+1=kyron


It could be an USO or  or from another area or a pedophile that was grooming the family. Too much doubt or other possibilities for me to continue to believe with certainty Terri did this or had a hand in it.
Perhaps she brought someone into her life that caused this, but even with that the extent of the relationship would have to be known for me to say she is responsible.
So my mind is open wide for a number of possibilities in this case.
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« Reply #31 on: October 23, 2010, 12:22:03 AM »

Does anyone have any feelings towards AV, BP or Brother James
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« Reply #32 on: October 24, 2010, 11:02:12 AM »

Does anyone have any feelings towards AV, BP or Brother James

Mhmm. Sure do. 

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« Reply #33 on: October 29, 2010, 01:13:48 PM »

Does anyone have any feelings towards AV, BP or Brother James

Mhmm. Sure do. 

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« Reply #34 on: October 12, 2012, 12:58:36 AM »

just putting this out there,maybe it will spark something somewhere with someone
during a discussion,this theory came about

A Murder For Hire Plot With A Twist

we have TMH, trying to hire the landscaper,something like 6 mo,prior to Kyron disappearance,
he dosent take TMH serious,doesnt say anything until  kyron disappears,prob out of fear his
name will show up for the MFH, so he gets to the LE b4 TMH
now the msco,are all over it, they think TMH has harmed kyron,now a lever to force her to talk
but hey,TMH calls the LE, then lawyers up,shuts up,willing not to say anything,on her behalf or
or daughters, now the twist why
maybe TMH did find a murder for hire guy,he yaks and yaks,TMH is like ok lets do it,but the new
MFH guys motive wasnt money,even though he may have made that deal with TMH,his real reason
was to get kyron,or TMH sold kyron thinking she was going to get kaine dead,either way,now TMH
cant undo it bc,the new MFH guy knows who she is but she dosent really know who he is,and is in
fear, she has prob been sitting for 2yr,wondering when he will be back,could be why she is not spotted
in public to much
just saying my theory is right,TMH will never talk hoping the dude will just leave her alone,well time will
tell,we wont know unless something happens to TMH or her daughter,or LE stumbles on to it
id like to know why she would want kaine dead,the $$ theory just dont  feel right for a main motive

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http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/07/landscaper_tells_police_terri.html
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« Reply #35 on: October 12, 2012, 09:49:07 AM »

Good theory Cw!  You don't really need a big reason to get rid of someone. I think he may have tired of her and had been hinting that there might be ultimatums down the road, sooner than later!  She's never stayed with a man for very long so maybe he was just past his shelf life.  Could be multiple reasons but I have always said TH is not talking/defending because she is scared of something and not just prosecution. Idc who you are...most Mom's would be fighting for their dtr and she could have been in KH's business at least getting supervised visitation.  Something else is holding her back.  LE always said there were multiple investigations with this case.
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« Reply #36 on: December 04, 2013, 01:14:57 PM »

THE DISAPPEARANCE OF KYRON - A THEORY IN A TIMELINE

The Terri Horman - DeDe Spicher - A Third Party Connection?

Friday, June 4, 2010

07:50 AM
- (Horman Residence, 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri leaves home with Kyron and Kiara in Kaine's pick up truck.  Terri claims the pick up truck is required that day to bring Kyron's science project home from school.  Terri picks up DeDe at a location close to Skyline Elementary. DeDe's vehicle is parked out of sight.

Driving Time - 10 minutes

08:00AM - 08:20AM - (Skyline Elementary, 11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231)  Terri, Kiara, Kyron and DeDe arrive at Skyline Elementary.  Terri parks in front of the school.  DeDe remains with the vehicle.  Terri, Kiara (?) and Kyron head directly to the classroom where photos of Kyron and Kurtis are taken with their respective science projects.  Meanwhile ... DeDe moves Terri's pick up truck from the front of the school to a back exit.  Upon exiting the classroom Kyron's jacket and backpack are purposely left behind on his desk.  Kyron is immediately taken unnoticed out of the school by Terri through a back exit to the waiting pick up truck.  Terri drives DeDe a short distance to pick up her vehicle.
 
Driving Time: 10 minutes

08:35 AM - (40 Acre Property, 13000 Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR)  Terri follows DeDe to her place of employment. DeDe parks her vehicle in a visible location leaving behind cell phone and makes her presence known.  DeDe leaves property unnoticed in Terri's pick up truck along with Kiara and Kyron.

Driving Time: 20 minutes

09:00 AM - (Fred Myers, 11425 SW Beaverton-Hillsdale Hwy  Beaverton, OR 97005)  Terri claims in an email to possess a 9:12 AM timed receipt.  DeDe, Kiara (?) and Kyron remain in the pick-up truck.

Driving Time: 10 minutes

09:30 AM - (Fred Meyers, 15995 SW Walker Rd, Beaverton, OR 97006)  While holding Kiara ... Terri has an encounter with Andrea Leckey allegedly between 9:30 AM and 10:00 AM.  Kyron and DeDe remain in parked pick up truck.

Driving Time: 2 minutes

10:00 AM - (Magic Cleaners, 16035 SW Walker Rd  Beaverton, OR 97006)  Store owner reveals in a media interview that Terri was in the establishment alone.  No Kiara.  DeDe, Kiara and Kyron remain in parked pick up truck.

Driving Time: 40 minutes

10:45 AM - (Sauvie Island Bridge) Records reveal pings from Terri's cell phone ... pings that originate on Sauvie Island.  Kyron is handed over to DeDe's former boyfriend's safe haven connection or Kaine's high school friend or the landscaper or ....

Driving time: 40 minutes

11:40 AM - (24 Hour Fitness, 1265 NW Waterhouse Avenue Beaverton, OR 97006)  Terri arrives at gym.  Kiara is left in gym's childcare. (?)  DeDe remains in the vehicle.

Driving Time: 20 minutes

01:00 PM - (40 Acre Property, 13000 Northwest Old Germantown Road, Portland, OR) Terri drives DeDe back to 40 acre property where DeDe makes her presence known.  When questioned regarding her absence ... DeDe insists she had been on the property all morning.

Driving Time: 15 minutes

01:15 PM - (Horman Residence - 15725 NW Sheltered Nook Rd, Portland, OR 97231) Terri returns home with Kiara.  Terri emails photo of Kyron taken earlier to contacts.

02:00 AM - Terri does not attend the talent show at Skyline ... the talent show that Kyron is a scheduled participant.  Terri does not bring home Kyron's science project?

TIME FRAME: 5 1/2 HOURS
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ACCUMULATED DRIVING TIME - 2 1/2 HOURS


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« Reply #37 on: December 04, 2013, 02:55:08 PM »

The 3 1/2 year investigative holdup?  My theory implies that the silent Kyron Horman  investigation is far reaching as well as layered?  Could it be that investigators are not only focused on Terri but a small chain of participants this side of the Mexican border which is linked to the other side?

Could it be that a "safe haven link" may be the smoking gun that will allow investigators to bring Kyron home to his family?
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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2014, 03:03:34 PM »

was looking at some old files i have on Kyron, and ran across some notes
i had about the syringes( made when i read at blinks about dede) and trails
and TMH drugs for her postpartum dep,and other stuff, ect.anyway thought
i would put another theory up, remember this is just a theory

i dont like to think Kyron, was murdered, but we know it is a possibility
and saying that TMH is the perp, maybe this is how she did it. i think
antidepressants are used for postpartum dep.,kaine said she had them
and we know she had syringes, so dede says in an interveiw at BOC
a walk in these woods,an injection, leave body, covered or uncovered
i know horrid, murder is horrid no matter what means used
i wonder if this area was searched, looking at the vid, in some areas
someone could be 100ft away and you wouldnt know, thinking about it
this would be a good place for any perp,and body disposal, prob a
couple of bodies in those woods
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Project… and is since then screwed should NOT go to ride at Rocky Point! The Trail Network,

and I mean network, is hidden in a dense, really dense forest. One could get the feeling that

some eyes are always watching you… well… not to forget that BigFoot was seen and shot (for a

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trail runs through the woods,between Gilkison,Rocky Point Rd,
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NW Gilkison Rd, Scappoose, OR 97056
23999 Rocky Point Rd, Scappoose, OR 97056
NW Gallaher Dr, Portland, OR 97231
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11536 NW Skyline Blvd, Portland, OR 97231
NW sheltered nook road
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