Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #30 9/21/10 - 9/27/10

[seemeatthebeach]

Tim Miller stated on blogtalkradio that no family member nor LE have requested TES to search for Kyron.

Sorry if this has been already posted. The radio show was not about Kyron, but a caller took the opportunity to ask Tim.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this

[Kokos Cat]

 

Flymonkey,

Thanks for joining us and welcome to the forum. 

Koko's Cat 

 

[Kokos Cat]

Tim Miller stated on blogtalkradio that no family member nor LE have requested TES to search for Kyron.

Sorry if this has been already posted. The radio show was not about Kyron, but a caller took the opportunity to ask Tim.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this

Interesting.  Thanks, SeaMe!

[numbersgirl]

Good Morning Monkeys!

I don't think I've posted in this thread, but I've followed along since the beginning.  I really wish we had more facts.  It breaks my heart that this little boy is still missing.

Here are a few things that trouble me.  If anyone has info, I would really appreciate your input.

I want to know why Terri sent James away.  Was it that he was old enough to cramp her style? OR,  Was it to protect him from the pedo situations in Kaine's family?  What if there was inappropriate contact from someone in Kaine's family and Kaine refused to deal with it?  Wouldn't that make Terri furious at Kaine - furious enough to retaliate?   

I don't think there was a bona fide MFH plot against Kaine.  I think any plots Terri concocted were directed at little Kyron.   

IMO, Kaine has more involvement than we know.  IMO, his actions were the catalyst in Terri's mind.

[Lazydog1]

Morning Monkeys!

Sassifrass needs our support everyone should go read her posts on the last page at the Harry Oakes sight.

What she has said there is very eye opening for me and I'm concerned for her.

Dear Monkeys,  LD & Sassi,

Thanks for your ongoing support in the search for Kyron.  I'm way behind on my reading but can see something's gone sideways. 

Sigh.

 
I'm so sorry Sassi, thanks for your work.   HO has the worst timing of anyone I've ever met.  And, I had a feeling that Desiree wasn't even aware of his services.  This is just a giant rolling cluster $%# and I've been caught up in it myself before.  I feel your pain.  I hope you take a break, recover, recreate and come back.  You have so much to offer.  I had to tell myself I was never coming back onto the forums and I meant it, too.  I dunno.  If I can find a way to help, I will.  And, I know you will too.  Take care of yourself, now though.

Love,

Koko's Cat   

Sorry about my outbursts yesterday.  I didn't just get out of bed on the wrong side I must have fell out.  Bad day yesterday all day long. Hopefully today will be better, it is Friday so that alone should help.

So I went over and read some on another forum Friends4Kyron.  They have pictures over there posted that they took where they were searching around KH property.  Are you kidding me? They actually can't figure out why he won't let them on his property to search.  Possibly because they aren't LE.

I'm also wondering about the container idea. The whole thought makes me sick to my stomach.  We have so many of Rubbermaid tubs at my house. We use them for everything.
They are great for horse feed, storing items we don't use all the time, horse blankets after being washed and multitudes of other items. 

Hoping today is a better day and we get more info to track and investigate.

[Lazydog1]

Wow! Check this out.

http://www.kptv.com/news/25125996/detail.html

1st Woman In 5 Years Executed In US Amid Outcry
Teresa Lewis Died By Lethal Injection
STEVE SZKOTAK, Associated Press Writer

POSTED: 12:11 am PDT September 23, 2010

Lewis enticed two men through sex, cash and a promised cut in an insurance policy to shoot her husband, Julian Clifton Lewis Jr., and his son, Charles, as they slept in October 2002. Both triggermen were sentenced to life in prison and one committed suicide in 2006.

Lewis appeared fearful, her jaw clenched, as she was escorted into the death chamber. She glanced tensely around at 14 assembled corrections officials before being bound to a gurney with heavy leather straps.

Moments before her execution, Lewis asked if her husband's daughter was near.

Kathy Clifton, Lewis' stepdaughter, was in an adjacent witness room blocked from the inmate's view by a two-way mirror.

"I want Kathy to know that I love her and I'm very sorry," Lewis said.

Sounds very familiar to some theories I have read about a certain TH

[no rose colored glasses]

Lazydog1 hope your day is better today. If Kaine or the police thought it appropriate to search on the property I'm sure they would. And how do we know that Harry Oakes is being honest about the death scent? And how do we know if the police have not already checked it out? I'm sure the police would have checked this out a long time ago, imo. Maybe the police told Kaine not to allow Oakes on his property.

[Lazydog1]

Lazydog1 hope your day is better today. If Kaine or the police thought it appropriate to search on the property I'm sure they would. And how do we know that Harry Oakes is being honest about the death scent? And how do we know if the police have not already checked it out? I'm sure the police would have checked this out a long time ago, imo. Maybe the police told Kaine not to allow Oakes on his property.

I agree. In this country we still have the right to not allow people on our property to do their personal searches. LE different situation but not just the public.  On F4K someone made a statement that he is obstructing justice by not allowing Harry Oakes and their group to search his property. NOT! They have no right to search his property. Seriously. 

I was just concerned for Sassifrass not Harry Oakes. She was over stressing.

[Lazydog1]

Good Morning Monkeys!

I don't think I've posted in this thread, but I've followed along since the beginning.  I really wish we had more facts.  It breaks my heart that this little boy is still missing.

Here are a few things that trouble me.  If anyone has info, I would really appreciate your input.

I want to know why Terri sent James away.  Was it that he was old enough to cramp her style? OR,  Was it to protect him from the pedo situations in Kaine's family?  What if there was inappropriate contact from someone in Kaine's family and Kaine refused to deal with it?  Wouldn't that make Terri furious at Kaine - furious enough to retaliate?   

I don't think there was a bona fide MFH plot against Kaine.  I think any plots Terri concocted were directed at little Kyron.   

IMO, Kaine has more involvement than we know.  IMO, his actions were the catalyst in Terri's mind.

Except that her son JM has stated he really misses Kaine. Also I would imagine that by now he would have said something to someone regarding such an issue as now he is safe. 

[klaasend]

I have received some information regarding Tuba at WS and what her beliefs are in the Kyron case.  I'll try to post the information here including links for those that read over at WS.  This pertains to the Astrology thread at WS and this case:

I was reading your Kyron thread and saw the discussion about Tuba on Websleuths.  She was VERY accurate in her predictions in Caylee's case.  Puzzler seems to have overlooked or misunderstood part of the most recent post quoted:
 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5626511&postcount=313
 
"SWNBN" is clearly in her reading and refers to "She Who's Not (to) Be Named" aka She Who Must Not Be Named and other variations.  Tuba has been very, very clear since the first thread and the first days that according to her interpretation of the stars, Kyron's stepmother, Terri, is the perp and Kyron is deceased.  Per Websleuths rules, because she has not been named a suspect, they are not allowed to use her name.  However, numerous posts do name Terri Horman as the perp.  Soulscape has also been very accurate but Tuba is better.  Leomoon is a fairly new astrologer to Websleuths and has not had much time to prove or disprove much.  Butterfly1978 is also an astrologer and will likely be right up there with Tuba someday.  ALL of the astrologers on Websleuths agree that Kyron was murdered by his stepmother.  Here is a post from June 13th and you can probably infer the general discussion that prompted this post:
 
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5286228&postcount=85

From the person who emailed me also:

PS - It's been posted at Websleuths by someone who claims their daughter was at Linnton Park today that it's being searched.  A few weeks ago, Tuba posted astrological signs pointing to a similar word/asteroid and they were all trying to figure it out; "linden trees" etc.  Tuba has also assured everyone from the start that there WILL be an arrest.  Thanks very much for clearing this up with everyone.  I have been checking Kyron's thread (and Natalee's) regularly and hate to see that important bit of info, SWNBN, left out because someone didn't understand what it meant.

Also

I am so appreciative of you being interested that I went and found a page about 'swnbn' at Websleuths.  There is a lot of good astrological info and discussion showing that 'swnbn' is Terri especially near the bottom but all over on this page:
 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109760&page=12

Here is the page where they start discussing the linden trees; (there is more throughout the thread):
 
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109760&page=7
 
And finally, the page where someone posts about a search today at Linnton Park:
 
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109760&page=13
 
Again, thanks for everything.  I'm also grateful that you allow lurkers like me to follow along.  Thanks!  And I promise, I'll quit bugging you about this after one more post from there, below. 
 
Here is one post from page 12:
 
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5614299&postcount=282

[Dihannah1]

Tim Miller stated on blogtalkradio that no family member nor LE have requested TES to search for Kyron.

Sorry if this has been already posted. The radio show was not about Kyron, but a caller took the opportunity to ask Tim.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this

Isn't there a monkey here, who has contact with Des, even remotely, who can recommend TES?  I believe they would be a huge help.  I would love to have the family request his services.  Maybe they aren't aware of his success rate.

[Grey]

I have received some information regarding Tuba at WS and what her beliefs are in the Kyron case.  I'll try to post the information here including links for those that read over at WS.  This pertains to the Astrology thread at WS and this case:

I was reading your Kyron thread and saw the discussion about Tuba on Websleuths.  She was VERY accurate in her predictions in Caylee's case.  Puzzler seems to have overlooked or misunderstood part of the most recent post quoted:
 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5626511&postcount=313
 
"SWNBN" is clearly in her reading and refers to "She Who's Not (to) Be Named" aka She Who Must Not Be Named and other variations.  Tuba has been very, very clear since the first thread and the first days that according to her interpretation of the stars, Kyron's stepmother, Terri, is the perp and Kyron is deceased.  Per Websleuths rules, because she has not been named a suspect, they are not allowed to use her name.  However, numerous posts do name Terri Horman as the perp.  Soulscape has also been very accurate but Tuba is better.  Leomoon is a fairly new astrologer to Websleuths and has not had much time to prove or disprove much.  Butterfly1978 is also an astrologer and will likely be right up there with Tuba someday.  ALL of the astrologers on Websleuths agree that Kyron was murdered by his stepmother.  Here is a post from June 13th and you can probably infer the general discussion that prompted this post:
 
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5286228&postcount=85

From the person who emailed me also:

PS - It's been posted at Websleuths by someone who claims their daughter was at Linnton Park today that it's being searched.  A few weeks ago, Tuba posted astrological signs pointing to a similar word/asteroid and they were all trying to figure it out; "linden trees" etc.  Tuba has also assured everyone from the start that there WILL be an arrest.  Thanks very much for clearing this up with everyone.  I have been checking Kyron's thread (and Natalee's) regularly and hate to see that important bit of info, SWNBN, left out because someone didn't understand what it meant.

Also

I am so appreciative of you being interested that I went and found a page about 'swnbn' at Websleuths.  There is a lot of good astrological info and discussion showing that 'swnbn' is Terri especially near the bottom but all over on this page:
 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109760&page=12

Here is the page where they start discussing the linden trees; (there is more throughout the thread):
 
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109760&page=7
 
And finally, the page where someone posts about a search today at Linnton Park:
 
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109760&page=13
 
Again, thanks for everything.  I'm also grateful that you allow lurkers like me to follow along.  Thanks!  And I promise, I'll quit bugging you about this after one more post from there, below. 
 
Here is one post from page 12:
 
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=5614299&postcount=282

Sometimes Terri is referred to as SWMNBN: She who may not be named.
I think Tuba forgets the previously used acronym.

Sadly, they seem to agree that Kyron is dead and that Terri is responsible.

Even though LE is tight-lipped about details of the investigation, Tuba and others are good about saying when something will happen. Things are not released to the press, but there is hope that they are correct about the progress of the investigation.

It is interesting to read the astrology threads for Kyron. They are on the second thread, but the first is also available if anyone wants to read from the start. Tuba's charts and thoughts are especially interesting. You don't have to believe or disbelieve; just consider it another source of information.

When this is over and all information about the investigation is released, I look forward to comparing it to the Kyron astrology thread.

[no rose colored glasses]

Lazydog1 hope your day is better today. If Kaine or the police thought it appropriate to search on the property I'm sure they would. And how do we know that Harry Oakes is being honest about the death scent? And how do we know if the police have not already checked it out? I'm sure the police would have checked this out a long time ago, imo. Maybe the police told Kaine not to allow Oakes on his property.

I agree. In this country we still have the right to not allow people on our property to do their personal searches. LE different situation but not just the public.  On F4K someone made a statement that he is obstructing justice by not allowing Harry Oakes and their group to search his property. NOT! They have no right to search his property. Seriously. 

I was just concerned for Sassifrass not Harry Oakes. She was over stressing.

I agree no obstructing justice, and we don't know what all was said to Kaine and why that decision was made. I really believe that the police checked all this out, they wouldn't not check out such a situation imo.

[Lazydog1]

Lazydog1 hope your day is better today. If Kaine or the police thought it appropriate to search on the property I'm sure they would. And how do we know that Harry Oakes is being honest about the death scent? And how do we know if the police have not already checked it out? I'm sure the police would have checked this out a long time ago, imo. Maybe the police told Kaine not to allow Oakes on his property.

I agree. In this country we still have the right to not allow people on our property to do their personal searches. LE different situation but not just the public.  On F4K someone made a statement that he is obstructing justice by not allowing Harry Oakes and their group to search his property. NOT! They have no right to search his property. Seriously. 

I was just concerned for Sassifrass not Harry Oakes. She was over stressing.

I agree no obstructing justice, and we don't know what all was said to Kaine and why that decision was made. I really believe that the police checked all this out, they wouldn't not check out such a situation imo.

Again I must agree.  See how agreeable I am today.   

So my furkids are fed and happy.  I must shower and head for work. TGF! This has been the week from He$$ at work. Hoping today will go smoothly and I will feel good when I leave at 4pm and begin my weekend. 

Will check in here when I get home. Good searching everyone.

[Claycat]

Tim Miller stated on blogtalkradio that no family member nor LE have requested TES to search for Kyron.

Sorry if this has been already posted. The radio show was not about Kyron, but a caller took the opportunity to ask Tim.

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this

Isn't there a monkey here, who has contact with Des, even remotely, who can recommend TES?  I believe they would be a huge help.  I would love to have the family request his services.  Maybe they aren't aware of his success rate.

There was a Monkey here who had contact with Des through her cousin, and that was Sassifrass.  Sigh...

[Claycat]

Respectfully snipped from Grey:

 

"Sadly, they seem to agree that Kyron is dead and that Terri is responsible."

This is what I have felt from the beginning.  I always hoped I was wrong.

[Dihannah1]

Lazydog1 hope your day is better today. If Kaine or the police thought it appropriate to search on the property I'm sure they would. And how do we know that Harry Oakes is being honest about the death scent? And how do we know if the police have not already checked it out? I'm sure the police would have checked this out a long time ago, imo. Maybe the police told Kaine not to allow Oakes on his property.

Totally agree!  I do not believe Kaine would hinder the investigation in any way.  LE only has to get a search warrant if he refused, but I doubt he did.

[Justamama]

Klaasend;

PLEASE DELETE MY POSTS AND REMOVE ME AS A MEMBER.  I NO LONGER WISH TO BELONG TO THIS FORUM.

Justamama-  I'm not Klaasend, but I can tell you that we do NOT delete posts unless there is an error and even very rarely then and if you want to no longer be a member of this forum, just stop posting.  And you can stop shouting please.  My hearing is just fine.
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[Justamama]

PLEASE DO NOT COPY AND QUOTE MY POSTS I WISH TO HAVE THEM REMOVED.

Anyone can copy and quote your posts and they will not be removed.

[MuffyBee]

C'mon sleuthers, you could find TES if you looked        Google is our friend.   

Website:
http://texasequusearch.org/

Contact page link:
http://texasequusearch.org/contact-tes/

I realize it would be handy if you had a direct/inside contact, but if you don't, there are email/phone numbers listed for contact.  Someone could offer the site info to them or if they read here, they will see it. From a prior post I can see you realize a family member must request the services of TES.   I'm just curious though.  Has anyone in Kyron's family expressed the concern they want additional searching on the family property?  Have they expressed concern the investigation and searches are inadequate?  I understand if someone wanted to let the family know about TES, but beyond that I wouldn't bother them.  JMHO