Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #30 9/21/10 - 9/27/10

[doubledecker]

Hi all -- here momentarily, but cannot stick around.  I appreciate the gathering of the missed questions.  I have written them down and will get answers and respond as soon as I can (for whatever that is worth). 

I get that many of you are sure I am lying and I don't even know DeDe.  I would suggest, since the purpose is to find Kyron, that you all try to pretend that I have said the truth on here, and DeDe was uninvolved.  Put your minds to scenarios that don't include DeDe and keep trying to find the little guy.  I don't care whether you ACTUALLY believe any of it.  Just pretend for a little while and see if any new or different ideas pop up.

And, I must ask, if you were accused of participating in the kidnap or murder of a child, would it really be OK with you if people just FORGOT?  Wouldn't you want people to know you didn't do it?

hi flymonkey,

I have been meaning to get some time to get on here and talk to you, but never had time until now... I am sure everyone else has probably asked you anything I would have and more... but I think I'll just see what you can tell me that might help me out with figuring out why dede is so targeted..

first let me say I have not made up my mind who is responsible for taking kyron, so I really do want to hear the "other side" of the story..

why do you think LE has targeted dede so much?  when they were questioning her, how were they acting?  nice, mean, did they threaten her with anything... I was TOLD(according to someone else who was question) they threatened to lie about another person if they did not tell them everything they knew, and they knew nothing... what are your thoughts on that? 

did dede see the emails between terri and the landscaper?  I know other people did and I assume dede might have also since she was the one staying there with terri... and if so, what is that really all about... was there anything at all in those emails to suggest terri was trying to hire him to kill kaine, or what exactly was the general content of the emails. What is your opinion on that whole landscaper mess?

why do you think LE had a cop staying there at the horman's house at the beginning?

Is there anyone dede or you think might be involved in this moreso that others... I know you have to have some thoughts as to "maybe" people.  I have a lot of thoughts even though I have not picked anyone specific... actually, I suspect everyone.  Can't eliminate anyone... Can you eliminate anyone? and if so who is on your list of people who feel you can eliminate?

I'll have to think some more of anything I want to ask you... but actually, rather than ask a bunch of pointed questions, I'd rather just like to have a normal conversation with you... I'm interested in what you think about this whole case... 

[Monkey King]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/09/abc_news_piece_highlights_chil.html

ABC News story highlights child sex trafficking in Portland

Published: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 9:55 PM     
Updated: Wednesday, September 22, 2010, 11:14 PM


Another national news outlet has descended on Portland to highlight the devastation caused by child sex trafficking.
 
Similar to "Pornland, Oregon," a talked-about piece from HDNet's "Dan Rather Reports," which aired in May, ABC News reporter Sharyn Alfonsi says that Portland is "routinely voted one of the most livable cities in the country," but it "hides a dark secret: It is a national hub for child sex trafficking." Like Rather, Alfonsi says that the problem has spread from runaways downtown to the children in the suburbs.

 
For the four-minute story, "In Search of Love: Teens Lured Into Sex Trade," Alfonsi interviewed Portland police officers and a sexual-assault victims' advocate. She also talks with a mother who says her daughter was forced into prostitution and a girl who says she entered the sex trade at 13, when she met a pimp after a trip to the Lloyd Center Mall.

[doubledecker]

I'll bb in a bit, going to go take my poochies for a walk

[Dihannah1]

Hi all -- here momentarily, but cannot stick around.  I appreciate the gathering of the missed questions.  I have written them down and will get answers and respond as soon as I can (for whatever that is worth). 

I get that many of you are sure I am lying and I don't even know DeDe.  I would suggest, since the purpose is to find Kyron, that you all try to pretend that I have said the truth on here, and DeDe was uninvolved.  Put your minds to scenarios that don't include DeDe and keep trying to find the little guy.  I don't care whether you ACTUALLY believe any of it.  Just pretend for a little while and see if any new or different ideas pop up.

And, I must ask, if you were accused of participating in the kidnap or murder of a child, would it really be OK with you if people just FORGOT?  Wouldn't you want people to know you didn't do it?

As I mentioned before, IF I were innocent, I would HAVE to stay away from forums or elsewhere, where people were speculating my actions, as it would make me ballistic.  She needs to find something better to do with her time to keep her busy and from obsessing over what people are saying.  Again, these forums are reaching such a small audience, it's not worth fighting for.  The only thing to do is let things play out.  She is spending to much time using her cousin and you to convince people of what they are or not going to believe no matter what.  She needs to focus her time on more constructive things, like help in the case or other things to keep her mind occupied elsewhere.   Since you or her can't PROVE one thing or another, it's a waste of time.  But again, if she has some info.in regards to the case that can  help and not just about HER, I'm willing to listen.

All I can say,is you are a good friend for trying, but honestly, it's a waste of time.   We are looking for facts, not hearsay or just her perspecive and proving HER innocence.  It's about Kyron, not her.

[Monkey King]

DoubleDecker~

You had asked if FlyMonkey said anything new or of interest yesterday.  I thought this was interesting as I had not heard of Jason Name Redacted/Name Redacted2 living in Vancouver.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8547.240

Topic: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND,OR #29 9/18/10 - 9/21/10

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Quote from: Monkey King on September 19, 2010, 04:58:36 PM
FlyMonkey~

Has Dede ever advised you why she and Jason broke up?  He was on here for a while and seemed to be an odd character. 

Do you know what the duration of their relationship was? 

To your knowledge, has Dede read the JW thread?



DeDe and Jason broke up because they both got disillusioned.  Jason obviously was unable to tolerate a depressed girlfriend who was gaining weight (sorry, that is definitely me being snide), and DeDe had come to realize that Jason was not very stable.  Apparently he never told her or showed her or invited her to where he lived, which began to really bother her.  It showed that he never trusted her, first of all, and possibly that he had something to hide.  She eventually did track down his place, in Vancouver, and he was living in the garage of his ex-girlfriend.  He also seemed to have a need for a really high level of emotional drama in his life, which DeDe didn't care for. 

She did read his letter, I believe, but I don't know how much of the threads on here she has read.  She was angry at first that he was speaking out about her, but since it quickly became obvious that people recognized his strangeness she sort of let it go.  They were together pretty much as he said...  I think 11/08 through 8/09, but without much contact the last couple of months.

Someone asked earlier also:  Yes she did meet some of his family; yes his dad is the infamous child molester.  Re: his name change from Name Redacted2 to Name Redacted.  He told DeDe that he was frustrated with people saying Wish-ART, when the correct pronunciation was actually Name Redacted, so he just changed the spelling to match the pronunciation.  He was so secretive about himself and where he lived, I also thought that he did it to make himself harder to find, but that is JMO.

[Dihannah1]

DoubleDecker~

You had asked if FlyMonkey said anything new or of interest yesterday.  I thought this was interesting as I had not heard of Jason Name Redacted/Name Redacted2 living in Vancouver.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8547.240

Topic: Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND,OR #29 9/18/10 - 9/21/10

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Quote from: Monkey King on September 19, 2010, 04:58:36 PM
FlyMonkey~

Has Dede ever advised you why she and Jason broke up?  He was on here for a while and seemed to be an odd character. 

Do you know what the duration of their relationship was? 

To your knowledge, has Dede read the JW thread?



DeDe and Jason broke up because they both got disillusioned.  Jason obviously was unable to tolerate a depressed girlfriend who was gaining weight (sorry, that is definitely me being snide), and DeDe had come to realize that Jason was not very stable.  Apparently he never told her or showed her or invited her to where he lived, which began to really bother her.  It showed that he never trusted her, first of all, and possibly that he had something to hide.  She eventually did track down his place, in Vancouver, and he was living in the garage of his ex-girlfriend.  He also seemed to have a need for a really high level of emotional drama in his life, which DeDe didn't care for. 

She did read his letter, I believe, but I don't know how much of the threads on here she has read.  She was angry at first that he was speaking out about her, but since it quickly became obvious that people recognized his strangeness she sort of let it go.  They were together pretty much as he said...  I think 11/08 through 8/09, but without much contact the last couple of months.

Someone asked earlier also:  Yes she did meet some of his family; yes his dad is the infamous child molester.  Re: his name change from Name Redacted2 to Name Redacted.  He told DeDe that he was frustrated with people saying Wish-ART, when the correct pronunciation was actually Name Redacted, so he just changed the spelling to match the pronunciation.  He was so secretive about himself and where he lived, I also thought that he did it to make himself harder to find, but that is JMO.

Interesting.  I hadn't heard DeDe's side of this relationship.  Where did you get that from?  Just curious.

[Nana29]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/victoriagreyh/2010/09/25/harry-oakes-search-efforts-kyron-horman

The radio show that Friends 4 Kyron did today with Harry Oakes.

Right now, all I can say is , hmmm...

[doubledecker]

hi monkey king.. hmmm no I did not know jason lived in vancouver...
there is a william j Name Redacted in vancouver but he is 51 yrs old and his birthdate supports the age of 51 and is way off from jason's age...

so if jason lived in vancouver, he is not listed there that I found, but seeing the other one was 51, I looked no further...perhaps because he was living in x-gf's garage, he had nothing in his name there, therefore, he would not show up with that address...

wonder why has was living in his x-gf's garage...

[Tracygirl]

I spent the afternoon thinking about all of the stories coming out about human trafficking, child porn, the arrest in April. When I first heard of that arrest I thought to myself, well that was a few months prior to Kyron going missing then it hit me, what if they (whoever they are) got rid of Kyron so they could not be fingered in a child porn ring. Is it correct they rarily show the face of the child? could it be Kyron was taped before and with the arrest of the one man, someone panicked?
Didn't they say someone involved in this case had been under suspicion prior to Kyron went missing?  Did Desiree say something about Kyron had been involved in this? My stomach is turning, I pray to God I am wrong.
What about Kitty? God I hope I am wrong.

[Monkey King]

When I asked her the other day. 

I told you guys, ask stuff pertinent to the case and get some answers to your real questions.  

[Monkey King]

hi monkey king.. hmmm no I did not know jason lived in vancouver...
there is a william j Name Redacted in vancouver but he is 51 yrs old and his birthdate supports the age of 51 and is way off from jason's age...

so if jason lived in vancouver, he is not listed there that I found, but seeing the other one was 51, I looked no further...perhaps because he was living in x-gf's garage, he had nothing in his name there, therefore, he would not show up with that address...

wonder why has was living in his x-gf's garage...

That's why I said, I thought this was interesting! 

I had no clue about his residence being in an ex girlfriend's garage.  Mr. Stuck up was living in a garage.  JW was apparently being secretive with Dede and she's the one who found this out about JW.  Perhaps JW had more than on address.....

[Tracygirl]

Hi all -- here momentarily, but cannot stick around.  I appreciate the gathering of the missed questions.  I have written them down and will get answers and respond as soon as I can (for whatever that is worth). 

I get that many of you are sure I am lying and I don't even know DeDe.  I would suggest, since the purpose is to find Kyron, that you all try to pretend that I have said the truth on here, and DeDe was uninvolved.  Put your minds to scenarios that don't include DeDe and keep trying to find the little guy.  I don't care whether you ACTUALLY believe any of it.  Just pretend for a little while and see if any new or different ideas pop up.

And, I must ask, if you were accused of participating in the kidnap or murder of a child, would it really be OK with you if people just FORGOT?  Wouldn't you want people to know you didn't do it?

As I mentioned before, IF I were innocent, I would HAVE to stay away from forums or elsewhere, where people were speculating my actions, as it would make me ballistic.  She needs to find something better to do with her time to keep her busy and from obsessing over what people are saying.  Again, these forums are reaching such a small audience, it's not worth fighting for.  The only thing to do is let things play out.  She is spending to much time using her cousin and you to convince people of what they are or not going to believe no matter what.  She needs to focus her time on more constructive things, like help in the case or other things to keep her mind occupied elsewhere.   Since you or her can't PROVE one thing or another, it's a waste of time.  But again, if she has some info.in regards to the case that can  help and not just about HER, I'm willing to listen.

All I can say,is you are a good friend for trying, but honestly, it's a waste of time.   We are looking for facts, not hearsay or just her perspecive and proving HER innocence.  It's about Kyron, not her.

I don't know, if I were innocent of a crime and everyone and their brother thought I was guilty, I would be trying to set the record straight.
Flymonkey thank you for your time and patients. Please, if you can ask Dede if she knows anything that can help locate Kyron or tell us all what the helll happened to him, to please come forward.

[doubledecker]

When I asked her the other day. 

I told you guys, ask stuff pertinent to the case and get some answers to your real questions.  

sorry, not sure what you are saying.

[Dihannah1]

I spent the afternoon thinking about all of the stories coming out about human trafficking, child porn, the arrest in April. When I first heard of that arrest I thought to myself, well that was a few months prior to Kyron going missing then it hit me, what if they (whoever they are) got rid of Kyron so they could not be fingered in a child porn ring. Is it correct they rarily show the face of the child? could it be Kyron was taped before and with the arrest of the one man, someone panicked?
Didn't they say someone involved in this case had been under suspicion prior to Kyron went missing?  Did Desiree say something about Kyron had been involved in this? My stomach is turning, I pray to God I am wrong.
What about Kitty? God I hope I am wrong.

I too hope your are wrong.  I am of the belief this is much more simple, in the fact that LE just happened across a parallel case while investigating Kyron's case. Maybe it's just me.  I can't wrap my brain around all of this sick stuff, though it is coincinidental.  I just tend to believe Terri is involved somehow, I just don't know why or how. I just can't allow myself to believe him being involved in all these distracting events of human trafficking, sexual predators, etc....  It could just be me....  But, I guess we'll eventually find out.

[Dihannah1]

When I asked her the other day. 

I told you guys, ask stuff pertinent to the case and get some answers to your real questions.  

sorry, not sure what you are saying.

I though I had read all her posts, I must have missed some.  Not surprising with all the extra, wide spread posts.

[Monkey King]

When I asked her the other day. 

I told you guys, ask stuff pertinent to the case and get some answers to your real questions.   

sorry, not sure what you are saying.

People weren't being too nice to FlyMonkey.  Water under the bridge.

[Monkey King]

I spent the afternoon thinking about all of the stories coming out about human trafficking, child porn, the arrest in April. When I first heard of that arrest I thought to myself, well that was a few months prior to Kyron going missing then it hit me, what if they (whoever they are) got rid of Kyron so they could not be fingered in a child porn ring. Is it correct they rarily show the face of the child? could it be Kyron was taped before and with the arrest of the one man, someone panicked?
Didn't they say someone involved in this case had been under suspicion prior to Kyron went missing?  Did Desiree say something about Kyron had been involved in this? My stomach is turning, I pray to God I am wrong.
What about Kitty? God I hope I am wrong.

I too hope your are wrong.  I am of the belief this is much more simple, in the fact that LE just happened across a parallel case while investigating Kyron's case. Maybe it's just me.  I can't wrap my brain around all of this sick stuff, though it is coincinidental.  I just tend to believe Terri is involved somehow, I just don't know why or how. I just can't allow myself to believe him being involved in all these distracting events of human trafficking, sexual predators, etc....  It could just be me....  But, I guess we'll eventually find out.

TracyGirl,

I thought I heard/read the same thing- someone being investigated prior to this case.

DiHannah~ No-on wants to think this is the case.  Unfortunately, this is a BIG money making business and as long as the demand for this kind of sicko "entertainement" is there, people are going to do it.

As was said earlier, tougher sanctions, zero tolerance, one strike- we can't cure them, but we have to protect society.  We need to get tougher.

[Brandi]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/victoriagreyh/2010/09/25/harry-oakes-search-efforts-kyron-horman

The radio show that Friends 4 Kyron did today with Harry Oakes.

Right now, all I can say is , hmmm...

I am listening to it now. Now sure why. Well, I was hoping to learn something, but so far, I agree. hmmm...

Is this interviewer one of our monkeys?

[doubledecker]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/victoriagreyh/2010/09/25/harry-oakes-search-efforts-kyron-horman

The radio show that Friends 4 Kyron did today with Harry Oakes.

Right now, all I can say is , hmmm...

I am listening to it now. Now sure why. Well, I was hoping to learn something, but so far, I agree. hmmm...

Is this interviewer one of our monkeys?

I must be stupid or something, but I click on the link and then I can find where they are talking ugh...where on that page do I click to hear it...thanks

[Monkey King]

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/victoriagreyh/2010/09/25/harry-oakes-search-efforts-kyron-horman

The radio show that Friends 4 Kyron did today with Harry Oakes.

Right now, all I can say is , hmmm...

I am listening to it now. Now sure why. Well, I was hoping to learn something, but so far, I agree. hmmm...

Is this interviewer one of our monkeys?

I must be stupid or something, but I click on the link and then I can find where they are talking ugh...where on that page do I click to hear it...thanks

I just closed the advertisements, and it's a blue box in the middle thats buffering.