Natalee Case Discussion #848 9/25/2010 - 10/7/10

[Tamikosmom]

Tim Miller is not stupid.  He knows darn well from personal experiences that justice for Natalee Holloway was never the an option when it came the Aruban investigation.  It was all about protecting Joran, Paulus and Aruba's underground economy.

It makes sense that the constant presence of Aruban authorities during the Persistence search was all about preventing the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 from being revealed.  The unchallenged recovery of the trap's contents imply the strategy worked perfectly.

If Monkeys were not duped ... it makes sense that Tim Miller was not duped.

++++++

Free Meals!  Free Motels!  Assistance with the Search!

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Tim Miller: Anybody can say what they want about Aruba but you know what...they gave us free motel rooms, they gave us free meals, they did everything to accommodate us...to help us out when we was doing the search for Natalee.  And then uhhh I certainly would not support the boycott.

Transcript - Texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe

[Sleuth]

PRIVATE EYE - thank you!

Thank you for giving us (me, at least) insight.  I respect and value your opinion.

Tim betrayed our trust.  My memory is long, but if Beth forgives Tim, then so do I.

I would have more respect for Tim if he apologized to Beth in the same way that he hurt her - via the public media.  Like San said, Dana's program would be an ideal avenue for that, as he allows his guest to speak freely and allows for call-in questions. 

Again, thank you so much for chiming in.

Sleuth

[wreck]

It WAS good to hear from private eye today --- (I had a feeling he's been here a little more often than we thought!  )

[San]

Tim Miller DOES NOT owe me an apology,  as i dont beieve in vicarious redemption, but he sure as hell owes Beth one. 

follow the money   it always leads to the end and reveals the truth, even though it may not be where you want to end up.

but i sure can request that he asks for forgiveness from Beth


people makes mistakes all the time, i personally have made a couple in my life.

It is what you do to repair it that counts

I agree.

[can]

Maybe Tim will apologize to Beth for hurting her or for stating his opinions publicly. 
But in order to ask full forgiveness, wouldn't he have to be convinced that what he said on Watt's show is not how he really feels. 
Tim didn't just  foolishly agree with Watts or make a decision not to stand up for Beth on Watt's show.    Tim spoke at length about many issues in a negative manner!  Her trip to Peru, her cancellation of his fund raiser, her not returning a phone call, Beth not contributing to TES, questions on her Foundation, why she went to Peru and Aruba with cameras, how she need to remember she is Natalee's Mother and should not be involved in investigations, etc.

and I don't see how he can take this back.

The Beth we know most likely will forgive him.  That doesn't mean she will put her trust in him again.

Beth is a bigger person than I. 

[Kat_Gram]

It doesn't matter to me if Tim says he's sorry or not. I've has a few issues with his judgement for quite a while now, the last straw was the Low Watt show. I think that his organization has been harmed by his lapses in judgement. The Donna Brock issue pizzed me off. Before that, when they were in Orlando, I used to follow the comments on Fox Orlando blog. There were too many peeps who saw Tim in his cups and with a gf in tow. Fine, a man is entitled to his private life ( and his private demons )  but he is a public figure who was in the spotlight in Orlando and he was there conducting a search and he could have kept his drinking and the gf at home. He is the face of TES and if he can't keep his act together then the board of directors should ask him to step down. before he drags the organization any further down with him. He's been carrying on quite badly for a couple of years and isn't it time for him to sober up ? Sorry if I am sounding harsh, I am aware of the loss of his daughter, but I don't think he is competent to be doing anything except trying to get some help for himself. 

[wreck]

Maybe Tim will apologize to Beth for hurting her or for stating his opinions publicly. 
But in order to ask full forgiveness, wouldn't he have to be convinced that what he said on Watt's show is not how he really feels. 
Tim didn't just  foolishly agree with Watts or make a decision not to stand up for Beth on Watt's show.    Tim spoke at length about many issues in a negative manner!  Her trip to Peru, her cancellation of his fund raiser, her not returning a phone call, Beth not contributing to TES, questions on her Foundation, why she went to Peru and Aruba with cameras, how she need to remember she is Natalee's Mother and should not be involved in investigations, etc.

and I don't see how he can take this back.

The Beth we know most likely will forgive him.  That doesn't mean she will put her trust in him again.

Beth is a bigger person than I. 

I agree -- this was not a mere slip of the tongue or careless comment. This was a well thought out attack. I don't want to hear an "apology", I want a heartfelt RETRACTION.

[robots]

 

Tim Miller DOES NOT owe me an apology,  as i dont beieve in vicarious redemption, but he sure as hell owes Beth one. 

follow the money   it always leads to the end and reveals the truth, even though it may not be where you want to end up.

but i sure can request that he asks for forgiveness from Beth


people makes mistakes all the time, i personally have made a couple in my life.

It is what you do to repair it that counts

I agree.

[San]

Maybe Tim will apologize to Beth for hurting her or for stating his opinions publicly. 
But in order to ask full forgiveness, wouldn't he have to be convinced that what he said on Watt's show is not how he really feels. 
Tim didn't just  foolishly agree with Watts or make a decision not to stand up for Beth on Watt's show.    Tim spoke at length about many issues in a negative manner!  Her trip to Peru, her cancellation of his fund raiser, her not returning a phone call, Beth not contributing to TES, questions on her Foundation, why she went to Peru and Aruba with cameras, how she need to remember she is Natalee's Mother and should not be involved in investigations, etc.

and I don't see how he can take this back.

The Beth we know most likely will forgive him.  That doesn't mean she will put her trust in him again.

Beth is a bigger person than I. 

She will forgive him because she has a heart of gold.  She won't forget the work TES did when Natalee first went missing nor should she.

It's a shame that one little stinken interview with a no body name Steph Watts ruined the trust people had in Tim.  Unfortunately I am a person who doesn't forgive and I never forget.  But that's just me and we all think differently.

Steph Watts was driven to bash Beth that evening.  He had a plan and Tim fell for the plan.

Steph Watts was going for shock radio.

[wreck]

... and what self respecting "MAN" would go by the name "Steph" (even if your parents unfortunately named you that)???? 

[San]

... and what self respecting "MAN" would go by the name "Steph" (even if your parents unfortunately named you that)???? 

They couldn't decide between Stephanie or Stephen.  I guess they got both.

[San]

Four mods are reading and there isn't a problem  

[2NJSons_Mom]

... and what self respecting "MAN" would go by the name "Steph" (even if your parents unfortunately named you that)???? 

They couldn't decide between Stephanie or Stephen.  I guess they got both.

    Yep, the first time I listened to Steph, I thought he was a she....maybe I wasn't far from right or wrong.  Walking sideways......

[can]

It doesn't matter to me if Tim says he's sorry or not. I've has a few issues with his judgement for quite a while now, the last straw was the Low Watt show. I think that his organization has been harmed by his lapses in judgement. The Donna Brock issue pizzed me off. Before that, when they were in Orlando, I used to follow the comments on Fox Orlando blog. There were too many peeps who saw Tim in his cups and with a gf in tow. Fine, a man is entitled to his private life ( and his private demons )  but he is a public figure who was in the spotlight in Orlando and he was there conducting a search and he could have kept his drinking and the gf at home. He is the face of TES and if he can't keep his act together then the board of directors should ask him to step down. before he drags the organization any further down with him. He's been carrying on quite badly for a couple of years and isn't it time for him to sober up ? Sorry if I am sounding harsh, I am aware of the loss of his daughter, but I don't think he is competent to be doing anything except trying to get some help for himself. 

No Kat Gram I don't think you sound too harsh.  Being in the public eye entails some responsibility and that includes keeping your private life private.
Maybe his friends will implore him to seek help.  Maybe he has hit rock bottom.  Though I understand some don't have a rock bottom.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Four mods are reading and there isn't a problem  

 

[carpe noctem]

Tim Miller is not stupid.  He knows darn well from personal experiences that justice for Natalee Holloway was never the an option when it came the Aruban investigation.  It was all about protecting Joran, Paulus and Aruba's underground economy.

It makes sense that the constant presence of Aruban authorities during the Persistence search was all about preventing the truth regarding the happenings encompassing the morning of May 30, 2005 from being revealed.  The unchallenged recovery of the trap's contents imply the strategy worked perfectly.

If Monkeys were not duped ... it makes sense that Tim Miller was not duped.

++++++

Free Meals!  Free Motels!  Assistance with the Search!

WATT'S UP WITH THIS? STEPH WATTS & TIM MILLER 9/19/2010

Tim Miller: Anybody can say what they want about Aruba but you know what...they gave us free motel rooms, they gave us free meals, they did everything to accommodate us...to help us out when we was doing the search for Natalee.  And then uhhh I certainly would not support the boycott.

Transcript - Texasmom

Audio:
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/watts-up-with-this/2010/09/20/watts-up-with-this#endframe

So, they are nice to Tim... yet Jug has a stack of credit card bills to prove they weren't handing out comps. How does this work?

Oh, I remember.

Aruba doesn't like people who search for missing loved ones... especially when they draw media attention. In fact, they hate you. Rather than hating the person that brought the shame upon
the island... and going after the POS... redeeming the island's honor in the process...

They'd rather spend time hating someone who is simply looking for their kid.

It still makes a lot of sense... even today... but only if you live in Aruba...

...or think like Tim Miller.

(It doesn't make sense - it never made sense)

Tim is either a Grade A Shed Tool or perhaps he is play acting to dislike Beth to score Aruba points.

(maintaining a relationship with the savages - keeping your enemy closer kinda thing)

After almost 6 years, Aruba points really don't seem to be worth much.

FBI and the Aruba on the same page? I fell off my chair when I read that garbage.

They are not even in the same library.

[can]

Maybe Tim will apologize to Beth for hurting her or for stating his opinions publicly. 
But in order to ask full forgiveness, wouldn't he have to be convinced that what he said on Watt's show is not how he really feels. 
Tim didn't just  foolishly agree with Watts or make a decision not to stand up for Beth on Watt's show.    Tim spoke at length about many issues in a negative manner!  Her trip to Peru, her cancellation of his fund raiser, her not returning a phone call, Beth not contributing to TES, questions on her Foundation, why she went to Peru and Aruba with cameras, how she need to remember she is Natalee's Mother and should not be involved in investigations, etc.

and I don't see how he can take this back.

The Beth we know most likely will forgive him.  That doesn't mean she will put her trust in him again.

Beth is a bigger person than I. 

I agree -- this was not a mere slip of the tongue or careless comment. This was a well thought out attack. I don't want to hear an "apology", I want a heartfelt RETRACTION.

Retraction - I like that Wreck.   (though not sure I would believe him, but that's not up to me)

[SuzieQ]

Maybe Tim will apologize to Beth for hurting her or for stating his opinions publicly. 
But in order to ask full forgiveness, wouldn't he have to be convinced that what he said on Watt's show is not how he really feels. 
Tim didn't just  foolishly agree with Watts or make a decision not to stand up for Beth on Watt's show.    Tim spoke at length about many issues in a negative manner!  Her trip to Peru, her cancellation of his fund raiser, her not returning a phone call, Beth not contributing to TES, questions on her Foundation, why she went to Peru and Aruba with cameras, how she need to remember she is Natalee's Mother and should not be involved in investigations, etc.

and I don't see how he can take this back.

The Beth we know most likely will forgive him.  That doesn't mean she will put her trust in him again.

Beth is a bigger person than I. 

Great post. 

[carpe noctem]

FBI > ALE

is as...

CSI > Barney Fife

[wreck]

FBI > ALE

is as...

CSI > Barney Fife

But, I LIKE Barney!!!!!