Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #31 9/27/10 - 10/02/2010

[no rose colored glasses]

I still don't like the Turf Tech.  I don't know why he creeps me out.  One- the fact that he took time to note children running around that day "unsupervised".  Two - He changed his timeline for the day.  Three - he left at 9am - around last time Kyron was seen.  Four - drives a white truck.  Five - he was so confident that no one was on that side road leading to that field but him.

He's probably a perfectly innocent guy but outside-in this is what I got.
We looked at him early on and these things just struck me as odd/standouts.  JMO.  Okay throw nanners now!

I'm not real sure about him either, he creeps me out also, but so do a lot of people.

Thank you Brandi!  Probably just me.

NRCG - you had me laughing so hard with the second part!  Thank you it's nice to know your not alone!  lolololol!

Sometimes I'm just way too honest 

[darla]

Once Kyron stepped into the school that morning, the school was responsible should something happen to him. It was a scool function and as such they can be held liable. It is the same as a child getting hurt on the playground.....or on a school sponsored field trip....playing in the band at a football game or as a player. The school is responsible. Once Kyron stepped on the bus in the morning til he stepped off the school is responsible for him.

[no rose colored glasses]

Good Afternoon Monkeys and Guest!

I don't have a link but it was in the first threads that Kaine said Terri had the truck on both the 3 & 4th. It is also stated somewhere back in the threads that the kids did the presentations for their projects on Thursday. Then came the rumor that Kaine and Terri had as big fight Thursday night and the project did not get to the school. If they did their presentations on Thursday the project would have been there on Thursday morning. I don't see how a fight on Thursday night changed that .

Does anyone that is local know the traffic pattern for dropping off you child and picking them up at Skyline? Someone posted a page or so back, that no child was to be dropped off earlier than 8:35 and no later 8:45 final bell. That makes no sense that 300 kids can get bused in or dropped off within 10 minutes. The reason I am asking, our Elementary has a one way loop around a teacher parking lot that is beside the lunch room. Our teachers have to arrive at 7:00 am, 1st bell is a 7:25 and tardy bell is at 7:35.  All student go into the lunchroom and sit til 1st bell when they go to their classroom. Usually 3 or 4 teachers or personnel of the school supervise the kids. No parent is allowed to get out of their car in this loop. It is for drop off or pic up only. At the end of school all car riders are sent back to the lunchroom to be picked up by parents. And bus riders go to another wing of the school that has a bus loop. 5th graders have
the opportunity to be on safety patrol and they walk all the kids down the sidewalk to each of thier cars. Each child has to have a list of who can pick them up and the make of car that will be used. I am on the list for all 5 that I have in Elementary and If I go to pick them up, I have their names on a card furnished by the school that I hold up to the window. Each child is asked who I am before they can get in the car.

All of that really goes to show how things have changed since my kids were little. We certainly had nothing at all like this at school back in the day. Sure is nice to know that at some schools there are strict rules that have to be followed. Interesting that each kid has to identify the driver before being allowed into the car.

[no rose colored glasses]

Once Kyron stepped into the school that morning, the school was responsible should something happen to him. It was a scool function and as such they can be held liable. It is the same as a child getting hurt on the playground.....or on a school sponsored field trip....playing in the band at a football game or as a player. The school is responsible. Once Kyron stepped on the bus in the morning til he stepped off the school is responsible for him.

Now that was what it was like when my kids were in school and it should be, whether on the school property or riding the bus to and from school.

[monchichi]

Once Kyron stepped into the school that morning, the school was responsible should something happen to him. It was a scool function and as such they can be held liable. It is the same as a child getting hurt on the playground.....or on a school sponsored field trip....playing in the band at a football game or as a player. The school is responsible. Once Kyron stepped on the bus in the morning til he stepped off the school is responsible for him.

He didn't ride the bus to school.  His stepmother left him there.  She was the last one verified to see him.  If he left the school with her, and if she gave the teacher the idea he was not staying, then I don't see it as the school being liable.  If he left with anyone else then I do. 

[Brandi]

Once Kyron stepped into the school that morning, the school was responsible should something happen to him. It was a scool function and as such they can be held liable. It is the same as a child getting hurt on the playground.....or on a school sponsored field trip....playing in the band at a football game or as a player. The school is responsible. Once Kyron stepped on the bus in the morning til he stepped off the school is responsible for him.

Now that was what it was like when my kids were in school and it should be, whether on the school property or riding the bus to and from school.

Absolutely.

I agree.

[Monkey King]

TracyGirl has said this perfectly,

IF this school had COMMON SENSE PROCEDURES IN PLACE, THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED (and if someone did try and do this, they wouldn't have acomplished this, they would have been caught).

Once kids get on the school bus, the school has accepted responsiblity for them, the bus driver is the agent for the school.

Once a child steps out of a parents car and sets foot on the school's property, the school has accepted responsibility for that child.  This is a security measure of why teacher's are usually in the parking lot shoo'ing the kids into the building.

For bus riders, usually the bus drops the kids off and their is a teachers/staff there to accept the kids.  But in Kyron's case, Kyron should have been safe within the walls of the school building.  Any one of us as parents expect the same thing. 

Statistically speaking, how many children are abducted from schools?  Not many, therefore directing anger towards Terri for not walking him to class is misplaced anger that needs to be soley directed at the school for not implementing, as TracyGirl said~ COMMON SENSE SECURITY MEASURES.

If Kyron wasn't safe enough to walk to his classroom unescorted, then NO child was safe going anywhere alone, unescorted in that building- to get a drink, to go to the bathroom, etc...

[fatcatlurker]

Once Kyron stepped into the school that morning, the school was responsible should something happen to him. It was a scool function and as such they can be held liable. It is the same as a child getting hurt on the playground.....or on a school sponsored field trip....playing in the band at a football game or as a player. The school is responsible. Once Kyron stepped on the bus in the morning til he stepped off the school is responsible for him.

He didn't ride the bus to school.  His stepmother left him there.  She was the last one verified to see him.  If he left the school with her, and if she gave the teacher the idea he was not staying, then I don't see it as the school being liable.  If he left with anyone else then I do. 

And this is where Terri Muddied the Waters IMO. 

[monchichi]

TracyGirl has said this perfectly,

IF this school had COMMON SENSE PROCEDURES IN PLACE, THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED (and if someone did try and do this, they wouldn't have acomplished this, they would have been caught).

Once kids get on the school bus, the school has accepted responsiblity for them, the bus driver is the agent for the school.

Once a child steps out of a parents car and sets foot on the school's property, the school has accepted responsibility for that child.  This is a security measure of why teacher's are usually in the parking lot shoo'ing the kids into the building.

For bus riders, usually the bus drops the kids off and their is a teachers/staff there to accept the kids.  But in Kyron's case, Kyron should have been safe within the walls of the school building.  Any one of us as parents expect the same thing. 

Statistically speaking, how many children are abducted from schools?  Not many, therefore directing anger towards Terri for not walking him to class is misplaced anger that needs to be soley directed at the school for not implementing, as TracyGirl said~ COMMON SENSE SECURITY MEASURES.

If Kyron wasn't safe enough to walk to his classroom unescorted, then NO child was safe going anywhere alone, unescorted in that building- to get a drink, to go to the bathroom, etc...

I have already conceded that the school was legally responsible after 8:35.  We do not know many things about that day- what the truths are.  All schools are different.  There is no standard way of picking up/dropping off.  I am ready to put this issue to rest.  Liability has nothing to do with where Kyron is.  Let's focus on finding him. 

[Monkey King]

TracyGirl has said this perfectly,

IF this school had COMMON SENSE PROCEDURES IN PLACE, THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED (and if someone did try and do this, they wouldn't have acomplished this, they would have been caught).

Once kids get on the school bus, the school has accepted responsiblity for them, the bus driver is the agent for the school.

Once a child steps out of a parents car and sets foot on the school's property, the school has accepted responsibility for that child.  This is a security measure of why teacher's are usually in the parking lot shoo'ing the kids into the building.

For bus riders, usually the bus drops the kids off and their is a teachers/staff there to accept the kids.  But in Kyron's case, Kyron should have been safe within the walls of the school building.  Any one of us as parents expect the same thing. 

Statistically speaking, how many children are abducted from schools?  Not many, therefore directing anger towards Terri for not walking him to class is misplaced anger that needs to be soley directed at the school for not implementing, as TracyGirl said~ COMMON SENSE SECURITY MEASURES.

If Kyron wasn't safe enough to walk to his classroom unescorted, then NO child was safe going anywhere alone, unescorted in that building- to get a drink, to go to the bathroom, etc...

I have already conceded that the school was legally responsible after 8:35.  We do not know many things about that day- what the truths are.  All schools are different.  There is no standard way of picking up/dropping off.  I am ready to put this issue to rest.  Liability has nothing to do with where Kyron is.  Let's focus on finding him. 

http://www.saferoutesinfo.org/guide/pdf/SRTS-Guide_Dropoff-Pickup.pdf

This guide was developed by the Pedestrian and Bicycle Information Center (PBIC) with support from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), Federal Highway Administration (FHWA), Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and Institute of Transportation Engineers (ITE). This guide is maintained by the National Center for Safe Routes to School at www.saferoutesinfo.org.

The drop-off and pick-up process, as with all components of a SRTS program, requires coordination with local government officials, law enforcement, school officials, parents and the general public.

[no rose colored glasses]

From Monkey Kings post   
(Statistically speaking, how many children are abducted from schools?  Not many, therefore directing anger towards Terri for not walking him to class is misplaced anger that needs to be soley directed at the school for not implementing, as TracyGirl said~ COMMON SENSE SECURITY MEASURES.)     Precisely, how many kids go missing from schools, not many, that is why I believe this case has reached national attention just with the thought of a kid disappearing from a school, IMO.

[darla]

Once Kyron stepped into the school that morning, the school was responsible should something happen to him. It was a scool function and as such they can be held liable. It is the same as a child getting hurt on the playground.....or on a school sponsored field trip....playing in the band at a football game or as a player. The school is responsible. Once Kyron stepped on the bus in the morning til he stepped off the school is responsible for him.

He didn't ride the bus to school.  His stepmother left him there.  She was the last one verified to see him.  If he left the school with her, and if she gave the teacher the idea he was not staying, then I don't see it as the school being liable.  If he left with anyone else then I do. 

Monchichi, I know he did not ride the bus that morning. But he usually did so I used that as an example. If, as you say he left with Terri....he should have been signed out in the office. If, he left with her, then she is to blame as she took him off the school property. If, what she said is true that she left without him, then the school is to blame .


JMHO......that was Terri's purpose in Kyron going missing that morning....the school would get the blame and not her.

[monchichi]

I have already conceded that the school was legally responsible after 8:35.  We do not know many things about that day- what the truths are.  All schools are different.  There is no standard way of picking up/dropping off.  I am ready to put this issue to rest.  Liability has nothing to do with where Kyron is.  Let's focus on finding him.

 

[darla]

TracyGirl has said this perfectly,

IF this school had COMMON SENSE PROCEDURES IN PLACE, THIS WOULD NEVER HAVE HAPPENED (and if someone did try and do this, they wouldn't have acomplished this, they would have been caught).

Once kids get on the school bus, the school has accepted responsiblity for them, the bus driver is the agent for the school.

Once a child steps out of a parents car and sets foot on the school's property, the school has accepted responsibility for that child.  This is a security measure of why teacher's are usually in the parking lot shoo'ing the kids into the building.

For bus riders, usually the bus drops the kids off and their is a teachers/staff there to accept the kids.  But in Kyron's case, Kyron should have been safe within the walls of the school building.  Any one of us as parents expect the same thing. 

Statistically speaking, how many children are abducted from schools?  Not many, therefore directing anger towards Terri for not walking him to class is misplaced anger that needs to be soley directed at the school for not implementing, as TracyGirl said~ COMMON SENSE SECURITY MEASURES.

If Kyron wasn't safe enough to walk to his classroom unescorted, then NO child was safe going anywhere alone, unescorted in that building- to get a drink, to go to the bathroom, etc...

I have already conceded that the school was legally responsible after 8:35.  We do not know many things about that day- what the truths are.  All schools are different.  There is no standard way of picking up/dropping off.  I am ready to put this issue to rest.  Liability has nothing to do with where Kyron is.  Let's focus on finding him. 

I didn't bring up the subject of liability....I ask a simple question of anyone that was local if they knew how drop off and pick up were set up at Skyline School. And I think that could help clear up a few things for me. I know all states and all school districts have different policies in place.JMO

[StarMonkey]

Once Kyron stepped into the school that morning, the school was responsible should something happen to him. It was a scool function and as such they can be held liable. It is the same as a child getting hurt on the playground.....or on a school sponsored field trip....playing in the band at a football game or as a player. The school is responsible. Once Kyron stepped on the bus in the morning til he stepped off the school is responsible for him.

Hi Darla, I think your right. Even though the police seem to suspect terri maybe she didnt take Kyron (But maybe she did we dont know if she did and if so what her reason was). It is the schools responsibility. Even if she made the teacher think she had a dr appointment the school should have hadproof she signed Kyron out.
 
 IF the school had cameras maybe non of this would have happened. Our kids are worth far more than installing cameras.


Thanks to Brandi everyone for the Nice welcomes 

thanks again for the approval Klaas!

[Scatty]

The backpack and jacket being left reference is an email from Terri so who knows if there really was a backpack and jacket?  Hope LE knows. 

Terri's "Supposed" later (1pm) email to Teacher Porter that said who knows what was stated by Terri?  I believe? 

I am not sure where this repy from Teacher Porter in response to Terri email is coming from.  Anyone have a clue?  Never heard that one before.  jmo

I haven't either. Sorry if it's already been answered- just catching up after work.

[no rose colored glasses]

Excellent point about signing a kid out to go too the doctor or wherever, that was even in place when my kids where small. You couldn't just take the kid out without someone knowing about it.

[Scatty]

Once Kyron stepped into the school that morning, the school was responsible should something happen to him. It was a scool function and as such they can be held liable. It is the same as a child getting hurt on the playground.....or on a school sponsored field trip....playing in the band at a football game or as a player. The school is responsible. Once Kyron stepped on the bus in the morning til he stepped off the school is responsible for him.

He didn't ride the bus to school.  His stepmother left him there.  She was the last one verified to see him.  If he left the school with her, and if she gave the teacher the idea he was not staying, then I don't see it as the school being liable.  If he left with anyone else then I do. 

And this is where Terri Muddied the Waters IMO. 

Which all makes me wonder again if there might not have been an idea of a payoff - a lawsuit against the school - as a motive. Especially since the MFH didn't pan out. Plus it kills two birds with one stone, since it got her stepson out of the picture as well. Now she could have a tighter-knit, WEALTHIER, family group. That is until the usual dissatisfaction set in for TH and more changes would then need to be made to shake things up again. JMO

[nicubird]

Once Kyron stepped into the school that morning, the school was responsible should something happen to him. It was a scool function and as such they can be held liable. It is the same as a child getting hurt on the playground.....or on a school sponsored field trip....playing in the band at a football game or as a player. The school is responsible. Once Kyron stepped on the bus in the morning til he stepped off the school is responsible for him.

He didn't ride the bus to school.  His stepmother left him there.  She was the last one verified to see him.  If he left the school with her, and if she gave the teacher the idea he was not staying, then I don't see it as the school being liable.  If he left with anyone else then I do. 

And this is where Terri Muddied the Waters IMO. 

Which all makes me wonder again if there might not have been an idea of a payoff - a lawsuit against the school - as a motive. Especially since the MFH didn't pan out. Plus it kills two birds with one stone, since it got her stepson out of the picture as well. Now she could have a tighter-knit, WEALTHIER, family group. That is until the usual dissatisfaction set in for TH and more changes would then need to be made to shake things up again. JMO

I agree Scatty. I believe that Terri planned the disappearing of Kyron for that specific day in waters she had pre-muddied and prepared (to include lies about mini seizures, vague plans for dr appts, various changing lies to friends and family members, etc). I believe she wanted to make the school look at fault for monetary and personal gain (I believe she was very miffed that she was not a paid member of the staff). I believe that she had lied successfully for so long that she felt no one would cast a glance in her direction. In my opinion her lies will be her undoing. I do not believe that LE screwed the pooch early in the investigation and still placing their ducks in a straight waddle. I realize that my opinion places me firmly in the minority as of late. I shall now go back to the rafters since my response to most posts I've read in the past couple of days would be in the form of "nuh-uh" and "seriously?"

Please peel the nanners before you throw them... they are easier to eat!!

Time for   

[Grey]

Once Kyron stepped into the school that morning, the school was responsible should something happen to him. It was a scool function and as such they can be held liable. It is the same as a child getting hurt on the playground.....or on a school sponsored field trip....playing in the band at a football game or as a player. The school is responsible. Once Kyron stepped on the bus in the morning til he stepped off the school is responsible for him.

He didn't ride the bus to school.  His stepmother left him there.  She was the last one verified to see him.  If he left the school with her, and if she gave the teacher the idea he was not staying, then I don't see it as the school being liable.  If he left with anyone else then I do. 

And this is where Terri Muddied the Waters IMO. 

Which all makes me wonder again if there might not have been an idea of a payoff - a lawsuit against the school - as a motive. Especially since the MFH didn't pan out. Plus it kills two birds with one stone, since it got her stepson out of the picture as well. Now she could have a tighter-knit, WEALTHIER, family group. That is until the usual dissatisfaction set in for TH and more changes would then need to be made to shake things up again. JMO

I agree Scatty. I believe that Terri planned the disappearing of Kyron for that specific day in waters she had pre-muddied and prepared (to include lies about mini seizures, vague plans for dr appts, various changing lies to friends and family members, etc). I believe she wanted to make the school look at fault for monetary and personal gain (I believe she was very miffed that she was not a paid member of the staff). I believe that she had lied successfully for so long that she felt no one would cast a glance in her direction. In my opinion her lies will be her undoing. I do not believe that LE screwed the pooch early in the investigation and still placing their ducks in a straight waddle. I realize that my opinion places me firmly in the minority as of late. I shall now go back to the rafters since my response to most posts I've read in the past couple of days would be in the form of "nuh-uh" and "seriously?"

Please peel the nanners before you throw them... they are easier to eat!!

Time for   

*hands a bunch of bananas to nicubird*

Good, plausible theory, nicubird.