Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #31 9/27/10 - 10/02/2010

[Shell]

A stranger abduction is a possibility but the stranger must have been associated in some way with the school to know there was a science fair going on and it would be chaotic. Don't you think?

This case is so disturbing. I recall with all my children, I drove them to school and walked them to their class and once they entered that building I relaxed and assumed they were safe until school was let out in the afternoon. To think that a child could be abducted from within a school building is horrifying. It would make more sense if Kyron had left the building for whatever reason and wandered alone near someone bent on snatching one of the children. However, we are not privy to what came out in interviews with all attendees that day.

I can't get Kyron out of my thoughts, he has grabbed my heart. I have faith that our thoughts and prayers are making a difference, some way some how.

[hellokitty]

 

Becky Owens is not Curtis's mother .

Becky Owens is not the Becky that sent the email about Kyron at Intel.

[7227]

Think there may be some confusion. I believe Curtis's mother is Kim Holmes...not Becky Owens.

[Monkey King]

Becky Owens is not Curtis's mother .

Becky Owens is not the Becky that sent the email about Kyron at Intel.

HelloKitty~

As far as I know, Becky Owens is the Becky that drafted the letter at Intel. 

Would you research it to either confirm it or rule it out for sure?

TIA,
MK

[Puzzler]

A stranger abduction is a possibility but the stranger must have been associated in some way with the school to know there was a science fair going on and it would be chaotic. Don't you think?

This case is so disturbing. I recall with all my children, I drove them to school and walked them to their class and once they entered that building I relaxed and assumed they were safe until school was let out in the afternoon. To think that a child could be abducted from within a school building is horrifying. It would make more sense if Kyron had left the building for whatever reason and wandered alone near someone bent on snatching one of the children. However, we are not privy to what came out in interviews with all attendees that day.

I can't get Kyron out of my thoughts, he has grabbed my heart. I have faith that our thoughts and prayers are making a difference, some way some how.

Hi, Shell.  The school did have a big sign in the front about the science fair and it was open to the public.  Anyone could have seen that sign when they were driving by.  Chances are good that sign was put up before that morning, too.

[Puzzler]

Patricia Mocha Latte, the question about Kyron saying his step mom is dead.  You may have missed a discussion we had several days ago about this and mainly the theory that came out of that was that Kyron might have either overheard Terri talking on the phone about something he shouldn't know about or walked in on Terri with someone she shouldn't have been with...and...when Terri recognized Kyron had overheard/seen something that Terri said "I'm dead."  Or possibly, that Kyron overheard Terri telling someone else "I'm dead."

Thank you Puzzler. Those are possibilities also.


I remember reading an older newsletter that had been posted at Skyline elementary regarding K. Villarreal's death. (I had posted a link back when I had read it.) It seemed that Becky Owens had decided to tell people who were concerned not to come up to her to discuss KV's passing. How sad is that?

Here is the link to some other discussion regarding the other son also:
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8267.180

Like Klaas, I too thought it very interesting regarding the possible sighting of a white truck? by the older man who lives near Becky Owens home....What's his name? Sheesh my brain just froze. Anyway so yeah, there is that too.

Also, wasn't it discovered that Becky Owen's and KH knew each other from High School? Possibly Michael Cook as well?
IIRC Becky Owens initially went out of her way to help Kaine with alerting the public about Kyron Horman's case right?
 

I see Patricia Mocha Latte is not online now, but I do find her post interesting.  I'm trying to put it together as to what it could mean (my mind's not working well tonight as my allergies are bothering me).  Can someone tell me what this all could mean, please?

[Shell]

A stranger abduction is a possibility but the stranger must have been associated in some way with the school to know there was a science fair going on and it would be chaotic. Don't you think?

This case is so disturbing. I recall with all my children, I drove them to school and walked them to their class and once they entered that building I relaxed and assumed they were safe until school was let out in the afternoon. To think that a child could be abducted from within a school building is horrifying. It would make more sense if Kyron had left the building for whatever reason and wandered alone near someone bent on snatching one of the children. However, we are not privy to what came out in interviews with all attendees that day.

I can't get Kyron out of my thoughts, he has grabbed my heart. I have faith that our thoughts and prayers are making a difference, some way some how.

Hi, Shell.  The school did have a big sign in the front about the science fair and it was open to the public.  Anyone could have seen that sign when they were driving by.  Chances are good that sign was put up before that morning, too.

Thanks Puzzler, I didn't know that. There is a lot I don't know. I wonder why it was open to the public. That was not a good idea, IMHO

[Monkey King]

A stranger abduction is a possibility but the stranger must have been associated in some way with the school to know there was a science fair going on and it would be chaotic. Don't you think?

This case is so disturbing. I recall with all my children, I drove them to school and walked them to their class and once they entered that building I relaxed and assumed they were safe until school was let out in the afternoon. To think that a child could be abducted from within a school building is horrifying. It would make more sense if Kyron had left the building for whatever reason and wandered alone near someone bent on snatching one of the children. However, we are not privy to what came out in interviews with all attendees that day.

I can't get Kyron out of my thoughts, he has grabbed my heart. I have faith that our thoughts and prayers are making a difference, some way some how.

Hi, Shell.  The school did have a big sign in the front about the science fair and it was open to the public.  Anyone could have seen that sign when they were driving by.  Chances are good that sign was put up before that morning, too.

Thanks Puzzler, I didn't know that. There is a lot I don't know. I wonder why it was open to the public. That was not a good idea, IMHO

Hey shell~

Plenty of schools have open house.  It's something the students look forward to, showing off their projects and the work they put into them.

The adults SCREWED UP!

In hindsight, they should have had people sign in, used only one in and out door, and had teachers standing the door.  I'm not saying this could have prevented Kyron, or any other student for that matter, from being taken, but it sure would have deterred it and would have shown the school had the best interest of their student's safety as a priority.

[Puzzler]

A stranger abduction is a possibility but the stranger must have been associated in some way with the school to know there was a science fair going on and it would be chaotic. Don't you think?

This case is so disturbing. I recall with all my children, I drove them to school and walked them to their class and once they entered that building I relaxed and assumed they were safe until school was let out in the afternoon. To think that a child could be abducted from within a school building is horrifying. It would make more sense if Kyron had left the building for whatever reason and wandered alone near someone bent on snatching one of the children. However, we are not privy to what came out in interviews with all attendees that day.

I can't get Kyron out of my thoughts, he has grabbed my heart. I have faith that our thoughts and prayers are making a difference, some way some how.

Hi, Shell.  The school did have a big sign in the front about the science fair and it was open to the public.  Anyone could have seen that sign when they were driving by.  Chances are good that sign was put up before that morning, too.

Thanks Puzzler, I didn't know that. There is a lot I don't know. I wonder why it was open to the public. That was not a good idea, IMHO

Who knows?  The didn't have sign-in sheets, either.  That really bugs me!

[Monkey King]

http://www.co.multnomah.or.us/dcj/acjsoffendersup.shtml

Multnomah County supervises approximately 900 sexual offenders of which approximately 200 have been identified as predatory.

[Monkey King]

^These are the ones the KNOW about.^

[Puzzler]

From: Horman, Kaine A
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 8:39 AM
Subject: FW: Kaine Horman's son is missing

All,
If you have seen local Oregon news or been browsing the internet or FaceBook there is a good chance you have seen an article similar to the one that Becky forwarded (below). While this note is difficult for me to write in this state of mind I felt it necessary for Kyron’s sake.

Optional actions for you:
The Intel network is large and wide-reaching. Many have asked me what they can do to help us and my answer is the following:
1. Forward Kyron’s information to as many people as you feel comfortable with; the more people that see this will increase our chances of finding him
2. Do not speak to any media if contacted; I am trying to contact Intel legal to give them the heads up and help with this situation

Physical description at the time of his disappearance (picture is show in Becky’s note and here):
He is 3 foot 8 and 50 pounds, with blue eyes and brown hair. He was wearing black cargo pants, white socks, worn black Sketcher tennis shoes with orange trim and dark-colored t-shirt with the "CSI" show logo

Police Hot Line Number:
(503) 261-2847

Some rough background:
The article that Becky forwarded is pretty accurate with details. He was dropped off at school about 8:45 and went missing sometime between then and 9 or 9:30am. We did not know he was not at school until we went to get him off of the bus at 3:30 and he was nowhere to be found. The bus driver immediately called the school which responded that his teacher had not seen him all day in class, at which point we notified police in partnership with the school. It is still unknown whether he left school grounds on his own or was abducted. Be assured that there are currently an amazing number of agencies and amount of person-power being applied to the search and investigation.

Thank you all for the thoughts and prayers for Kyron’s safe return. I will update the group once status changes which will hopefully be soon. At the time of this note Kyron has now been missing for ~48 hours; time is of the essence.


Kaine Horman
Enterprise Business Architect

Intel Corporation

Reading over this memo from Kaine, it still bothers me because it seems detached.  He never says "my son" in the memo.  He never asks for anyone to be on the look for his son; while he tells everyone to rest assured that plenty of people are looking for Kyron.  It just bothers me.

Rob, as a guy reading what another guy wrote - how does this memo hit you?  TIA

[Puzzler]

^These are the ones the KNOW about.^

Which means there's many, many, many more!  Because we only know of a sex offender once they've been caught and they usually commit many offenses before getting caught.

[Monkey King]

http://childsafetips.abouttips.com/pedophiles-and-their-characteristics.php

Pedophiles and Their Characteristics
Pedophiles have distinct characteristics and their preferred sexual objects are children. Pedophiles often have numerous victims and many claim to have abused hundreds or thousands of children. Pedophiles are narcissistic by nature and their bragging usually comes across as narcissistic. Pedophiles tend to like children of a certain age and they typically do not deviate from their preferred age range. Many prefer girls that are too young to get pregnant. The younger the girls are, the less chance of vaginal infections. Girls are reaching puberty at much younger ages, some as early as the 4th grade. “Eight is too late” is a phrase molesters often use.

**MORE AT LINK...

[Kokos Cat]

Itaryl~

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t112.htm

TRUE BILL
These words are endorsed on a bill of indictment, when a grand jury, after having heard the witnesses for the government, are of opinion that there is sufficient cause to put the defendant on his trial. Formerly, the endorsement was Billa vera, when legal proceedings were in Latin; it is still the practice to write on the back of the bill Ignoramus, when the jury do not find it to be a true bill.

Thanks MK.

 

[Puzzler]

The Sauvie Island resident that reported seeing a white truck and red mustang with the RDSQRL license driving wildly - could it be that the person who took Kyron contacted Kaine/Terri?

[Monkey King]

Itaryl~

http://www.lectlaw.com/def2/t112.htm

TRUE BILL
These words are endorsed on a bill of indictment, when a grand jury, after having heard the witnesses for the government, are of opinion that there is sufficient cause to put the defendant on his trial. Formerly, the endorsement was Billa vera, when legal proceedings were in Latin; it is still the practice to write on the back of the bill Ignoramus, when the jury do not find it to be a true bill.

Thanks MK.

 

You're Welcome, Kokos!

I've been trying to locate some statistics:

http://www.cpiu.us/child-safety-2/

Q: How Common Is Childhood Sexual Abuse?

A: In the United States, studies report that up to one girl in three or four has been sexually abused by age 18 and one boy in four to 10 has been sexually abused. These statistics do not accurately reflect the actual number of sexual abuse occurrences because most abuse goes unreported. According to the FBI only 1% to 10% is ever disclosed and according to a study conducted by the National Institute of Mental Health, the average molester of girls will victimize fifty girls before being caught and convicted and the average molester of boys will have victimized 150 boys before being caught and convicted. Further, the typical pedophile commits an average of 117 sexual crimes during his lifetime (280 for those molesting boys). The most vulnerable age for sexual abuse is between 7 and 13 years. The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children reports that 54% of sexually abused children are victimized before the age of 7 and 84% before the age of 12.

[Monkey King]

The Sauvie Island resident that reported seeing a white truck and red mustang with the RDSQRL license driving wildly - could it be that the person who took Kyron contacted Kaine/Terri?

I'm going to have to hunt for it, but I saw a post somewhere on another board, where a person states they too reported the red car racing back from Sauvie, but it didnt have that plate registration- no RDSQRL.

[Scandi]

MY, My, What thinkers we have here!  Reading thru the last 4 pages, the Sleuthing talent has left me {almost} speechless.  LOL

Rob,  It's so great to see you here after spending so many devoted hours side by side trying to unravel Madeleine McCann's case.  When I think of it now I read and weep at the thought she was never found.  And that whoever took her has gotten off scott free.

In that case we were all apprised of the danger in writing posts that might be held as liable towards the family.  I think that was because T. Blair had made it so easy to sue someone under British law, like the Portuguese paper that got scared and folded up.  In Britain everyone sues everyone and they don't even fight to the enth degree - just pay up and go on with business.  IMO

Here in America I can't see that happening if a poster is responsible, even if they post rumors by labeling them as such.  I don't know for sure about that but do know here posters do try to protect the victims.  It's all in how a post is written IMO that makes the difference.

Here we seem to protect KH, seeing him as a pure victim in the case, as we also do with Desiree.  I can see another side here, #1 being I can't believe KH had no idea that his wife could have it in her to concoct a MFH plot and find someone, hiring him to do the job. 

I also can't imagine a mother whose son pleads with her to keep him with her and not send him back to Portland - not fully exploring the why of it before sending him back.  This is amazing to me on both Kyron's natal parents that they were so clueless as to how his life was being affected in this situation.

No one really talks about the night of the 3rd.  An argument which IMO could have been a doozie   and the trigger that set out what Kyron's fate would be.  I wonder what the topic of discussion was that night?  A possible criminal mind in the mix, the word dead being used {that Kyron overheard} possibly gave way to a well thought out plot to hurt KH in the worst way possible way ~ and it was rekindled.

I think Kyron might have never vanished into thin air if his parents had been more thoughtful of him.  Blaming does no good.  But understanding the dynamics of these adults could give reason to the why it happened IMO.



PS:  One more thought is to me it has always appeared that LE was 'in bed' with Tony as he was their peer, and this relationship of respect carried over into the use of Desiree and Kaine being used as spokespersons for LE.  I think LE used them to further their inverstigation, in talking to the media.  I agree with the poster who said it was a very bad plan.  I am simply amazed that the FBI didn't warn the WCSO investigators it was a bad way to handle the case.  Maybe they did       IMO

[Kokos Cat]

now, YOUR thoughts Puzzler. 

My thoughts a very similar to yours.....[snipped]

Yes, "how" does LE retract at this late date?  Not easy.  Possibly, they started with the last presser (need concrete evidence, and we're going to be surprised).  They put that out there for us to mull over and begin to accept that this is a problem.  Now they're going to put together a "task force".  I guess it will be up to the task force to come forward with more evidence...or "different" theory...thereby, letting LE off the hook a little bit.

Even Kaine said a couple of weeks ago that it felt like to him that they were back in the begininng of the case.  That told me that LE/Kaine/Desiree - were going to back away.

My 2 cents...

This seems like a good way for them to save face, IMO.  At least I hope so.  Anything to get them back on track would be cool.