NOTE: I got this from GM. They claim these are Finngirl's saved posts from the SM forum but they look more like front page post format to me. Hard to say for sure because those old posts from August 2005 are not available to us. They were lost during one of the crashes or conversions.Thanks to Finngirl for saving these....the rest seem to have gone Poof! lalas notes
Fri Aug 26, 2005
4:49 pm
Sooz: If Geraldo was right about the videos, then this could eventually lead to Mr. Pink and all that smut about internet videos, right?
4:54 pm
Majielle: I hope those girls are getting a lot of support. They are very courageous to step forward
4:55 pm
sunmoonstars: This press release came down from the prosecutors. This is the email from the prosecutor to MSNBC
They are in custody based on the same suspicions as before. They are suspected of the primary criminal act of together with other people committing premeditated murder.
Alternately, together with other people murdering somebody.
More alternately, rob a person of her liberty with fatal consequences.
Even more alternately, raping somebody.
Aside from these suspicions against these two brothers,
There are new suspicions which at this point the prosecutor is not commenting on. To arrest the Kalpoe brothers, there had to be new facts and circumstances, that is the case!
4:56 pm
omega: It might be possible that NH's remains were found in early June, and that only the family & the prosecutor are aware of this.
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=1613The above URL contains info about something found while digging in an Aruban pond which was so large and/OR heavy, that it required two men to load it onto a truck.
The stories state that the press was cordoned off, and that BHT was present... maybe it is true, and would explain alot of Beth's comments and actions.
4:59 pm
AZLady: Who are the other two in custody, besides the Kalpoes? Freddy and someone else?
4:59 pm
sunmoonstars: We are told they will be held at least 4 days and there will be a hearing
Prosecutors made it VERY clear Kalpoe brothers are arrested in connection with Natalee
The other boy, the friend and neighbor of VDS is NOT connected with NH in any way.
Satish attorney says:
Arrests are based on new information involving 4 people...the 2 K brothers, the friend and Joran
In part at least on new allegations involving young girls and photos
5:04 pm
AZLady: The reason I doubt the theory about them finding Natalee's body in early June is that Beth and Jug allowed the searchers to work in the landfill, jeopardizing their lives and health. They wouldn't have done this had they known.
5:04 pm
arubagirl: So, anything new? Kidding, kidding. So, do we know who the other guy is?
5:05 pm
AZLady: Arubagirl, were the Kalpoes and two others arrested? Or the Kalpoes and one other guy? I can't find accurate info.
5:06 pm
klaasend: No...only Freddy. Not sure if there's more, I'm thinking not.
5:06 pm
sunmoonstars: Catherine Crier Fri
Based on the same suspicions as before. There are new suspicions, or they couldn't re arrest the K brothers.
Art Wood: We have known for a long time that the LE have statements from these boys. They Know where Natalee is.
Freddy Arandashi?? Uses the name Freddy Arends, he is a close friend and neighbor of Jorans.
5:07 pm
AZlady: On the radio said that four new arrests were made, but then I heard it was only three. Anyway, I heard the name of one guy, but I don't know if it's right or not.
5:08 pm
sunmoonstars: AG: Art Wood is saying Freddy Arandashi?? also says he goes by Freddy Arends.
5:09 pm
arubagirl: I think it's not Arends. I'll check it out on Monday.
5:10 pm
DT: The ex-girlfriend of Joran, Melody or whatever, is saying on RWV that the guy's name is Freddy Zedan.
5:11 pm
DT: Someone said that he was Joran's doubles partner in tennis.
5:12 pm
sunmoonstars: AG: They said a neighbor and friend of Jorans. Does that help?
5:14 pm
arubagirl: Well, if he is a neighbour and lives in the same neighbourhood (montanja), then I can check, hold on.
5:14 pm
barbiegirl23: This Freddy is listed as a doubles tennis partner of Joran in the Aruban paper of Sept 2004...
5:15 pm
arubagirl: There is an Arends that lives at Montanja... Check the other last names.
5:15 pm
sunmoonstars: There are conflicting statements from the brothers and Joran. The brothers describe the fact that Joran was assaulting NH in the back seat of the car
5:16 pm
arubagirl: No person named zedan in the phone book, not that it means that he doesn't exist, just not in the phone book.
5:17 pm
DT: Well there is some Aruban paper that states he was Joran's doubles partner in a tennis tournament not too long ago.
5:17 pm
arubagirl: Nor Arandashi / Arendashi.
5:17 pm
klaasend: I'm thinking it's Freddy Arends: Blue shirt on left - middle with cap on right.
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5:19 pm
arubagirl: Yes that's who I thought it was as well. Why don't these things happen on a Friday? Now I have to wait a whole weekend to find out more. BLECH!
5:22 pm
DT: Jossy: We don't know that he was arrested in relation to this case, though he was questioned about it at the beginning. We have heard that he had alibi that said he was with Joran that night.
Dan Riehl said earlier that the Freddy guy is the same person who was staying at Joran's apartment that night.
5:22 pm
whodunit: Does HE live at Aruba Racquet Club?
5:24 pm
fluffy monkey: Geraldo said that this guy was a fake alibi and faked that he stayed with Joran that night.
5:24 pm
nancy drew:
http://www.aeromodelers.sr.org/david/am28sep04.pdf 28 sept 2004
B-Doubles team Freddy Zedan/Joran van der Sloot beat Peter Villevoix/Lex Burgman in a surprise sweep
5:25 pm
arubagirl: No, owner of the place told me the homes are only used as vacation homes by wealthy tourists.
5:26 pm
fluffy monkey: Wonder if "someone" has a key to one of them....
5:28 pm
whodunit: Hmmm...maybe it could at least explain what the boys were doing late that night (3am) near the ARC. Maybe meeting his tennis partner.......hmmmmm
5:32 pm
odds on: Who - For what it's worth, the AM Digitel article (link posted above)about the September 2004 tennis tounament that jvds and Freddy Z won took place at the Aruba Racqut Club. Coincidences abound.
5:34 pm
arubagirl: I swear to God I am getting tired of reading "Gilliam van der Straten". Seriously, who makes up this crap?
5:36 pm
whodunit: I thought NativeLingo said that was his name, but he is not related? Is that not his name?
5:37 pm
arubagirl: There isn't even someone of that name on the bloody island! Gilliam, that is.
5:38 pm
whodunit: Ok, I was confused. She said not related though. Anyway, do you know who that is then?
5:38 pm
arubagirl: Haven't got a clue.
5:42 pm
HannieC: if there is a 4th person arrested than i think it`s significant that nobody seems to know who that person is nor his initials or name...Makes me wonder who that is.....(and than i`m not thinking of Paulus).BTW...
5:44 pm
bondia: Freddy Z.
Freddy's middle name is Alexander and it is customary to never use somebody’s last name in Aruba until they have been charged.
The rules were obviously broken in Natalee's case as it has been a free for all of accusations since the Beginning
6:00 pm
Port Valerie: New Greta Wire emailed at 5:41 PM:
What has caught my attention most is the timeline we have pieced together. From Satish's lawyer the other night on the show, we learned that someone was on the Internet at the Kalpoe residence from 2 a.m. to 3 a.m. Why did that person get off the Internet at 3 a.m.? Note that 3 a.m. is the exact time that Joran van der Sloot's second call went to Deepak's cell phone (the first was 2:40 a.m.) Stay tuned. We will have more tonight.
6:01 pm
sunmoonstars: Catherine Crier/Friday
Crier: Can you tell me anything about this Freddy?
Jossy: We hear 2 versions:
The official press release that the prosecution put out did not mention him at all
People are under the impression that his arrest may be related to another case
He was arrested in the beginning with relation to this same case
There is no mention from the police in regards to this third man
Third man is a friend of them, partied with them, many pics with him
He was questioned in the beginning in regards to the Natalee case
Do you have any info as to his whereabouts the night Natalee disappeared?
Jossy: I hear his alibi is that he was with Joran
6:02 pm
WonderWoman: ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT, LILIAN REGINA, MONTANJA 39-F
6:02 pm
AZLady: I found an ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ, ALBERT and LILIAN REGINA who live in MONTANJA.
http://www.arubachamber.com/LC%20KLEIN%2005-06-2005.htm6:05 pm
NativeLingo: MONTANJA 39-F is a neighbor of Joran's allright!
6:05 pm
arubagirl: Wonderwoman and AzLady are good, I suck
6:06 pm
peaches: WOOHOO!! At least we don't have to wait until Monday.
6:07 pm
klaasend: So why is Bondia saying the last name starts with a Z ?
6:08 pm
arubagirl: I have no idea. I'm guessing that Bon Dia is checking back with the group.
6:09 pm
Shell: Maybe the stop at the other bar that was mentioned was to pick up Freddy? Just thinking
6:10 pm
Hat: So when do we get to search Freddy's house?
6:11 pm
WonderWoman: Hey AZ!! Arubagirl said wait till Monday...that was killin' me!!! Patience is a virtue, but I used it all on the kids'!!! Now is 39F close to 19 ?
6:12 pm
new girl: Michelle Kosinski on MSNBC is saying that Kalpoe attorney believes Kalpoe arrests are based in part on other allegations involving "photos and young girls".
6:13 pm
NativeLingo: VDS= Montaña 19...
6:14 pm
RobertJ: BINGO! Directory listing: Arambatzis, Freddy. Aruba. I've got his e-mail and his TICKLE site too: Freddy Locoman Pimp
6:14 pm
arubagirl: Wonderwoman, I'll have to go and check, but the housenumbers here are usually a big mess.
6:16 pm
NativeLingo: ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT, LILIAN REGINA, MONTANJA 39-F
could be either Venezuelan or Colombian....only they use 2 last names here...
6:19 pm
DT: Jossy says: Freddy arrested on charges of taking and selling pictures of young naked girls. He was questioned initially in the NH case.
6:21 pm
WidgetTheMidget: Dont Be Surprised If What Happened To Natalee Was Recorded ........
6:21 pm
bondia: As we have already told RED, SM usually knows what it going on before MSM and 99% of Aruba. Based on the Tennis match from AM Digital and the initials givin by the police F.A. (and usually most people in Aruba have at least 3 if not 4 initials in thier name) We were told that Joran has a friend named Freddy Alexander.
Since Jossy was the one who found the girls with the rape accusations, so we are sure that he has the right Name since it is his find.
ARAMBATZIS in Montana sounds like a winner! Thanks for the Good work Monkeys.
6:22 pm
arubagirl: Sorry, guys, I have to go and I'm going to try and find the house, in case it matters.
6:23 pm
scared tom: The new guy arrested was for selling pics of young naked girls
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/video/YNG.wmv6:24 pm
AZLady: AG, take your camera, okay? You might find some interesting shots at #39
6:25 pm
bluebob: Our own reporter, Arubagirl, embedded and on her way to Montana!!
6:25 pm
DT: Aruban attorney: I doubt that it is a coincidence this guy was arrested at the same time and lived near Joran.
6:28 pm
DT: Aruban Attorney: It is possible that the Kalpoes stated Joran sexually assaulted Natalee, and were still released.
6:31 pm
NativeLingo: DT, it wasn't a coincidence...
6:32 pm
nancy drew: They said it on Abrams...the part about Freddy knowing about the disposal of the body...
6:34 pm
RobertJ: PHOTO on Locoman Pimp Freddy's TICKLE site.. Sander/female/Joran
6:34 pm
cancon: sometimes having a nickname like Loco Man /Pimp looks like a bad idea in retrospect
6:35 pm
klaasend: By the way, I have a pretty good source that tells me this Freddy is in a band that plays at CnC.
6:38 pm
sunmoonstars: He was brought in before for questioning.
6:38 pm
Hat: Nancy, You mean Paulus recruited Freddy for the clean? Shades of Fagin.
6:41 pm
bluebob: Wonder how Arubagirl is making out at 39F Montana, and how many MSM reporters are also headed there!!
6:42 pm
sandraK: Freddy Cuz..Lissette' ...lives..in Usa.... her Mom maybe is... Rebeca Zedan (Female, 52) Location: Venezuela. his aunty?? or something?
6:43 pm
tcumom: Does anyone remember Geraldo's comments looooong time ago about porn stuff and pics? Think I'm remembering correctly.....just a comment.
6:45 pm
DT: Yeah I brought this up earlier, it would be insane if Geraldo turned out to be right. I can't think of one person who believed him when said this.
6:45 pm
RobertJ: photo from Freddy's tickle site: Locoman/Jaime/Joran
6:46 pm
cancon: indeed I remember it clear as day, what was puzzling that Geraldo never mentioned it again, not to my recollection, until perhaps today, maybe the Aruban LE contacted him and asked him to hush up? and for once one of Geraldo's wild statements could be coming true.........
6:49 pm
sunmoonstars: Abrams Friday
Talking to Aruban attorney
Abrams: : What do you make of the arrest of this friend
Attorney: I agree with you that it is not coincidential. If you talk about separate charge, one of the separate charge is disposal of a body. Which is a separate crime. If this person who is a friend of Joran, I think the prosecutionin the back of their mind want to crack him to see if he had something to do with the disposal of a body.
Abrams: Do you know that or speculating?
Attorney: No, there are many presumptions here.
6:51 pm
writenow: If Freddy has been brought in and Freddy, Joran & Jaime Carrasquilla were all best friends, is Jaime next to be arrested? BTW Satish is now calling himself the King of bling bling on his tickle site. Good grief. Maybe he's getting the bling bling from selling pics of naked girls.
6:58 pm
OneSillyMonkey: If Freddy is known to take photos of this group's activities with the girls they drug and rape, and if this indeed was a premeditated murder that Freddy accompliced, there is a photo or video of Natalee somewhere with these boys - I would bet my right arm on that.
7:01 pm
NativeLingo: No matter what, Aruba will always be the "One Happy Island". see you later......ciao
7:14 pm
OneSillyMonkey: My understanding of today's news is that Freddy was arrested, along with the Kalpoes, for the same crime (premeditated murder, disposal of body, etc). They must have more on him than just being in possession of and taking nude photos of underaged girls
7:17 pm
friend of monkey: but Vanderstraten does have a son jorans age? or not known?
7:18 pm
arubagirl: Just called Native, she's not mad, she had to go. I couldn't find the house, I'm sorry guys, I found 39, but not 39-K.
7:18 pm
HannieC: I believe his youngest son is 24 and the oldest 33 or 34
7:23 pm
mom2three: Could 39-K be an apartment behind a house, sort of like Joran's?
7:24 pm
arubagirl: It could be, mom, but the house that had number 39 didn't have an apartment
7:25 pm
HannieC: If I'm not mistaken it was 39 F, ag....
7:26 pm
arubagirl: I didn't find any house that had a letter behind a number 39, Hannie.
7:30 pm
cancon: see here is the deal, and this is pure speculation at this point,
you take a video or picture on the cell phone but then I think you have to save the file and send it to whomever, maybe more advanced people can find a way to do it live
the point is that file may have been saved on the cellphone or the computer
now they presumably would have deleted it but there are ways to retreive deleted info, you'd think Deepak would know that but maybe he isn't familiar with how to do it on cell phones or maybe there are ways even he didn't know about or someone got stupid and made hard copies like videos or photos and then deleted the files.......and those hard copies were found, perhaps in possession of Freddy or someone else who was holding onto them for the boys........
or maybe it got accidentally emailed to someone else, who didn't delete it??? you know how you have group mail outs hmmm.....
or maybe they didn't delete the pictures and the computer forensics guys found them finally
7:31 pm
HannieC: Ok AG, I thought it must be that b/c i`m sure if there were letters behind the house #s you had found them, lol!! Maybe the F stands For Freddy
7:31 pm
sandrak: Rebeca Zedan (Female, 52) Location: Venezuela. Aunty ??
7:32 pm
cancon: I meant checking out for the house ... the Monkeys may have beaten the MSM to the address, except Aruba girl couldn't find 39F, maybe it is just 39?
7:33 pm
arubagirl: That particular house was pretty quiet, looked like nobody home.
7:33 pm
bondia: WRITENOW said earlier that Jaime would be arrested! Are you part of the ALE or a clairvoyant of a Monkey PI. Who can spell his last name right?
7:35 pm
widgetThemidget: The Occupant Is On Vacation .............. At KIA ....................
7:37 pm
sandrak: Jaime Carrasquilla
7:38 pm
the big hammer:
1. The 2:40am call is the link w/ video to k residence to download. Call may have linked to assault live? Depends on duration of call.
2. 3:10 am is the voice call to say: "something's wrong -- come get me."
3. From k2 residence, numerous 3rd parties could link in to view the 2:40am "show."
7:39 pm
Shell: Tito was listed on that tickle site of Freddy. When I looked at it when RobertJ first posted, Ruben Trapenberg was on there also, then when I went back a while later, his photo (RT) was gone. Maybe I don't understand how tickle sites work.
7:39 pm
bondia: Good Try SANDRA K, but I have another spelling, but I have been wrong before. Rumors are strong that he will be picked up tomorrow.
7:40 pm
DT: Any clue what the exact connection is here between these two new detainees and the NH case, other than their relationship with the three?
7:40 pm
whodunit: How far from the VDS residence? How many houses in between?
7:43 pm
bondia: The Rumor on Aruba was that four were arrested today, but the police confirmed only 3, possibly another tomorrow. We spoke to Jaime and he thinks it is about some pictures that were taken in April, but they were deleted after the girl asked them to. He said they weren't illicit, but she didn't like them. They have all continued a friendship relationship since and he is surprised that she would be complaining now. Jaime also lives in Montana. To make it clear, he didn't even know that anyone has made a complaint, but that is the only thing he could think anyone could complain about. Since then, the girl has remained friends with all of them - even been to family parties at Joran's house.
7:45 pm
whodunit: How far from the VDS residence? How many houses in between?
7:48
sadie: I also saw Ruben's picture on Freddy's tickle site. At that time Freddy's hobbies/interests also listed:****ing at parties. Maybe I don't understand how tickle sites work either.
7:49 pm
whodunit: But isn't 2:40 am about the time the missing gardener saw them around the ARC?
7:49 pm
arubagirl: I'm looking for the address in the phonebook, what was the address, again, please?
7:53 pm
sandraK: bondia, Anyone with..."SA"..... as Nic?
7:55 pm
writenow: You're funny bondia. Monkey ALE PI clairvoyant. My new title. I posed it as a question not a fact.
You tell me -- are they going to arrest Jaime? He's tight with Freddy and Joran. Makes sense he's in this, too.
7:55 pm
cancon: well I thought he said 2:30 am, could the assault have taken place before 2:40 am, 2:30 am they just transmitted the video file at 2:40 am under a pretence which would mean real premeditation if they had already worked out their alibis in advance here........
you can tape and save a video file on those phones too, may not have been live........
7:56 pm
san: I hope to god there isn't a video out there. Very disturbing.
7:56 pm
bondia: Hi SANDRAK
It was spelled out for us as Carasquia, but since he made his own tickle site, I will give him credit that he knows how to spell his own name, although...
As for SA - we would need more details.
7:57 pm
the big hammer: In this theory,
1. Call initiated by the goon to k residence: something wrong, come get me.
2. k residence: on line show ends (when call is received - 3:00am). Log off.
7:59 pm
lilorphan: It was on Riehl, I believe posted by "Billy" that one was online and then taken off. Also, when Jug said that Joran assaulted Natalee...they asked him how he knew...he gave a rueful kind of laugh and said something like "Let's just say it's documented."
The way he said it made me immediately think of "billy's" video claim.
8:00 pm
sandrak: Time will tell ....
8:04 pm
crazybabyborg: Greta: Freddy arrested now to put pressure on Joran. Has nothing to do with Nat's disappearance. Satish and Depak picked up on suspicion of rape.
8:13 pm
crazybabyborg: Jossy: Freddy provided an alibi for Joran
8:14 pm
crazybabyborg: Jossy: my info from our sources in the LE is that 3 girls came forward with statements of being date drugged and raped
8:15 pm
arubagirl: Found Montanja 39 G, not no 39- F yet
8:15 pm
writenow: Oh, one more thing.
Jaime lives on the same street as the van der Sloots. Jaime Carrasquilla/Carrasquilla, Acuna Omar/Montanja 232
8:15 pm
I hear shango: hey....question.....earlier today someone posted a picture of a kid that looked like the google kid Koen, friend of many...and said that is was Van Straaten's son. Is it Koen? the friend that visited Joran with Freddy and Jaime on his birthday? if so....he changed his tickle name recently to K.g. instead of koen...why?
8:16 pm
HannieC: Wow were you back again to that address?
8:18 pm
arubagirl: Guys, I meant in the phonebook.... Not out on the road. Heh
8:19 pm
suz3nscar: Sometimes I think Nancy Grace is nuts....just came back on the air with Elvis' Jailhouse Rock playing
8:21 pm
port valerie: Stupid question maybe but if they were taping and "broadcasting," would they not need lighting? Thus, an interior place -- not the beach -- would be indicated.
8:21 pm
san: On NG lawyer stated Freddy won't be able to have a lawyer for several days.
8:22
pj: Are there any left?
8:22 pm
sooz: NG says CNN is trying to confirm the arrest of a 4th suspect. Did I miss something?
8:22 pm
fluffy monkey: Freddie takes pictures for the Pimp Gang says the guy on NG
8:24 pm
sooz: OMG!! NG is going to tick off the Arubans again. She looked straight at the camera and said "Attention Aruban police. Separate cells!"
8:27 pm
OneSillyMonkey: NG -
Kapoe bros not being questioned right away. Letting them sit, being informed that they will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for the seriousness of crimes they are accused of - this is a method to induce fear into them in order to get them to more easily talk when the interrogations begin. They are being careful not to try and force information out of them that can later be thrown out due to a forced confession.
Fourth suspect IS in connection with NH case.
8:32 pm
pj: No one knows anything about a fourth suspect being arrested. I think someone said maybe tomorrow.
8:38 pm
arubagirl: Found 39-E as well, but no other number with 39-x and no, we can't look up addresses online and/or directions. Wish we could. The roads here probably confuse the satellites too.
8:43 pm
OneSillyMonkey: Aruba does not have a plea bargain deal, but they have something similar that can be used. Unfortunately, NG cut off her guest in mid-sentence, so whatever that something else is that can be used was not stated.
8:44 pm
I hear shango: since no one answered me before...i will ask again....is Koen the same kid that people were saying was Van Straaten's son earlier?
He recently changed his name on his tickle site to K.g.
8:46 pm
arubagirl: No, they called him "Gilliam".
8:48 pm
I hear shango: AG...so Koen is also known as Gilliam? If so, is he Straaten's son?
8:48 pm
DT: Both Freddy and Jaime were present with the Van Der Sloots on Joran's 18th birthday at KIA
8:50 pm
I hear shango: DT....yes, they were and Koen was also there.
8:54 pm
arubagirl: NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
8:57 pm
ting: Could he be persuaded to adopt him, to save SM bandwidth?
8:58 pm
mom2three: Father says the American media needs to lay off his son...told to Current Affair. He sort of threatened them to lay off. He told court that American media had invaded Joran's privacy by taping Joran. He helped the court set the $600K fine.
9:00 pm
bluebob: PVDS HELPED the court set the fine? He is involved at that level? This is really bad news.
9:01 pm
arubagirl: I highly doubt it. He probably demanded that sum and the court gave it to him, but it's not like he conferred with the judges and was like "yeah, one million, that's good, say that".
9:03 pm
san: from tv for those w/o the channel, Freddy's involvment in the case is with a car.
9:05 pm
I hear shango: Helen Lejuez said Freddy....physical evidence regarding the car......
9:06 pm
nancydrew: Hannity and Colmes....
Helen: Says this is considered a gang rape...Freddy was brought in due to the car (which car???) .
Paul Reynolds: First time he's heard the term "gang rape"
HC: Is this a homicide?
PR: Joran said Deepak raped, murdered Natalee
Helen: 60 Days now for the boys brought in today. The prosecutor told her this has to do with murder and rape. She has more info not from the prosecutor, and it is quite secure.
9:08 pm
arubagirl: So much for the gang-rape being 'secret', which my source told me it was.
9:10 pm
justinsmama: Is that what you were going to reveal around the 4th? Or part of it, anyway?
9:10
DT: Do you know anything more about this?
9:11 pm
arubagirl: no, this I heard today.
9:11 pm
little miss: Secret from who?
9:12 pm
arubagirl: No, nothing more, only about the gang-rape taking place.
9:13 pm
DT: Does this involve all of the boys, or just the three?
9:14 pm
friend of monkey: freddy lives behind jorans apartment...on FOX
9:14 pm
arubagirl: All of them.
9:16 pm
ting: I wonder if this is related to that original US wire service story, something about all 3 having indicated some sort of intimate contact or fooling around, I don't remember what the wording was or the specifics, like who told the reporter this, or to whom the boys allegedly said it, this was right at the beginning, even before Mickey and Abraham were arrested.
Maybe somebody else will have a better memory, or even a link to the story if it still exists anywhere on the internets.
9:16 pm
nancydrew: Hannity and Colmes
Reporter/Aruba... It's a "commission based crime." Freddy lives in the neighborhood.
9:20 pm
I hear shango: jossy said there are a total of 6 girls who have come forward....not including Natalee.....
9:22 pm
sooz: Hmmm, another vote for a 4th new suspect in jail today.
Hanity and Colmes transcript: Friday August 27
Helen: Him (Freddie) and another detainee in jail right now. Freddie is a friend of Jorans and has something to do with the car. According to my (Helen’s) sources, he is part of the “gang” and what we are getting is that he is involved in the rape case and it has to do with the car. I have other news that I haven’t yet confirmed, another young man who hasn’t yet been brought before the judge.
Uncle: That is the first time I have heard that phrase used (gang rape) We have heard sexual assault.
9:26 pm
candygirl: Maybe its freddy's place they went back to? I sure hope the LE is doing a search there!
9:32 pm
fluffymonkey: Larry King Live, Friday August 26, 2005
Dave Holloway : We were concerned about September 4 date coming up but now it looks like Joran is probably not going to be let go. FBI called and told us about Kalpoe brothers and Freddy. Prosecutor is very confident.
Steve Holloway (uncle): Very happy they arrested K2, maybe we can find out a little more.
Harris Faulkner (Current Affair): Polis said FBI made a difference and gave them confidence. The polis were very involved and busy in keeping up with K2 .
Cardoza: Young women have come forward saying K2 were involved in using date rape drugs Now police can turn up the heat even though it didn’t have to do with NH case.
9:38 pm
I hear shango: polis chief was not overhead saying how can i do this to my best friend's son....he was on national tv saying it...I saw it with my own eyes.
9:39 pm
lost in time: what did they mean when they said commission base crime?
9:41 pm
peaches: Vinda just said they collected DNA from the VDS property.
9:45 pm
TNDude: Doesn't commission-based crime mean a for-profit crime? Like how people work on commission?
9:45 pm
littletxlady: Geraldo told about the videos, gang rape and the best friend thing on the same night, in the very beginning of this case.
9:48 pm
luna: Sounds to me like it's a crime where an act has been "committed."
9:51pm
margaritaville: CNN just mentioned the TicKle sites!!!
9:55 pm
peaches: Harris Faulkner just said they keyed into the boys from the start and got their cell phone #s from their Tickle sites. Called 'em up.
9:56 pm
fluffymonkey: Larry King Live
Fresno, CA caller: We heard there was an admission of sexual assault by the boys. When were those statements made?
Vinda: They were made early on. Beth said that the first night – Joran admitted certain sexual consensual acts.
Cardoza: On small islands there are men who prey on tourist girls because the govt will not bring them back to prosecute, so perhaps there are others out there.
Jossy: 16 year old girl has made statement to child advocate, said this happened with Joran. Two other 18 year olds will not come forward. Diario has three other girls who made “drugs and rape” statements to the polis.
Harris: Current Affain pulled info from TICKLE!!!!! Three guys described themselves as having healthy sex lives (Joran, particularly) Thinks it is relevant to look at lifestyle, says tickle is explicit, AND THE WAY CURRENT AFFAIR GOT IN TOUCH WITH JORAN THE FIRST TIME WAS FROM HIS CELL PHONE NUMBER ON TICKLE.
9:58 pm
sunmoonstars: Current Affair
We pulled several items off of Tickle.com
These three guys, particularly Joran described themselves as having pretty healthy sex drives
We learned of these before they were even arrested
Hooking up with women, it was explicit
They put their cellphones on the internet, we picked up the phone and called Joran in the very beginning
10:01 pm
friend of monkey: early on a gang bang tape w/ joran and a 14 yr old was mentioned here..
10:03 pm
kackylacky: yes by Geraldo...............and we all scoffed.
10:17 pm
Shell: Charles Croes on June 2nd posted the following on visitaruba.com:
There are issues in this case that can go beyond the obvious in their implications.
It will take time for all the information regarding this lovely child to come out. Some of it will be hard to handle, and some of it will be expected.
With regards to the family of this missing child, my prayers are with you. I was with them the first night they arrived in Aruba looking for their daughter from midnight until 5:30am, and have kept in touch.
In my opinion this issue has far reaching implications for all those involved.
I wish all of us strength.
Charles
10:18 pm
DT: I don't think there is anyone here who doesn't know of this statement, I'm seriously going to go insane if I see it posted again.
10:28 pm
crazybabyborg: Anyone know what the nature of the alibi was that Freddy supplied for Joran?
10:30 pm
writergal: I think Freddie said he slept over at Joran's house on the relevant night
10:30 pm
DT: From what I understand, he said he stayed at Joran's apartment that night, which is something he and other friends often do. He claimed Joran got home at a certain time, and that he said he had met an American girl, but that nothing sexual had taken place.
10:41 pm
sleddogs: At the beginning of the show they were talking about Freddy being linked somehow due to the car. Not sure which car...but, they referred to the info from the gardener...
If I remember right awhile back when they first brought the gardener in wasn't there a problem with him not being able to identify one of the K2's? Maybe that was because the other person in the car that night was later identified as Freddy.
10:42 pm
kackylacky: Jossy said on Abrams this afternoon, that freddy told ALE he was "with" joran that night...........and that was all that was said about it. The usual comments about that not being too smart was what followed.......no further detail. But I am thinking freddy may have tried to alibi joran for the time after the HI drop off.............which begs the question.........why did they arrest steve for giving deepak an alibi, but did not arrest freddy for doing the same for joran. Interesting.............
10:48 pm
pj: Yet Joran went to school bragging about having sex, am I right?
10:49 pm
kackylacky: when in fact, both of them could have been with her at joran's or at freddy's......................Vinda said tonight that DNA was collected at joran's........I didn't hear if she said what kind or much more than it was collected.
If according to Helen, freddy is also attached to this case because of a car............could freddy have provided joran with transportation ( remember the walk with only one shoe line ) or moving the body?
10:49 pm
sunmoonstars: Greta Fri
Greta Timeline According to the statements from Nadira and Kock
1:50 am May 30th Deepak and Satish home
2:00 am someone on the internet until 3:00 am
2:40 am first phone call from Joran to Deepak
3:00 am is the second call from Joran to Deepak..same time he gets off the internet
Joran has himself walking home, Deepak has himself going and picking him up and driving him home
