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« Reply #460 on: October 14, 2010, 07:41:55 PM »

Sharon/Tx

You are welcome.

Your great photos as well as texasmom's theory regarding a possible temporary holding place for Natalee Holloway remains is definitely food for thought ... especially when the gardener's observation is considered.

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« Reply #461 on: October 14, 2010, 07:53:08 PM »

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ORANGE CITY - In its opinion on the bill PDO which justice and police greater investigative resources have said the Advisory Council (RvA) that a "thorough review" of these resources to the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) necessary is.

The proposed extension of the investigative procedures will be "substantially in nature", says the Council.

The Council considers it "incomprehensible" that the Attorney-General (PG) of Aruba (and also the PG of the former West Indies) already come with a directive to declare all these methods, so that the justice and police have deployed be. This has already happened in 2008 and then the methods are already employed, as previously published by this newspaper. RvA thinks this is too far and even contrary to both the ECHR and the Aruban constitution.

In advice to the Government of the Council even more critical, especially about the impact that the expansion of investigative powers to affect 'others'. This example, provided the family or relatives of those who consider justice. This family or family members (initially) not suspected of a crime, but the research does get involved, so there is a breach of their privacy. Article 8 paragraph 1 and paragraph 2 of the Convention stipulates that this is done with care and the citizen should be able to determine its behavior when applying the detection methods. The Board questions whether here in the bill sufficiently taken into account. Lies in the fact that only the investigative methods used by others may be in the interest of the investigation. RvA is that this will create "a very wide discretion to the prosecutor that is created hardly be further standardized. In other words, that the description in the "interest of the investigation" is too vague.

Third parties may in the current bill is almost not figure out whether they are monitored, wiretapped or other investigative methods used against them, says the Council. Also they can not count on the information during criminal investigations to be collected will be destroyed. It is just the opposite, in the Council. "It is desirable for the government for its retention on the grounds that these might contribute to the elucidation of other offenses." The way the government wants to store the data, according to the RvA still not adequately regulated and that also applies to the destruction of the data. The Council therefore recommends that the Government should do so with an eye on the privacy of third parties and that there is a system for destroying data of suspects not prosecuted.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #462 on: October 14, 2010, 08:05:31 PM »

The second report sounds like it might have been the Hagedoorn's, not sure though.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/10/casonan-di-ladronicia-ta-cos-di-tur-dia-na-aruba/

Papiamentu translation:

casonan by ladronicia is cos by all day at aruba

publication: diahuebs, 14 october 2010.

categoria: policial

oranjestad (aan): in oranan by at night, patrol oranjestad owing to worde dirigi before atende the tantisimo ladronicianan cu is tumando lugar in wayaca. the trip owing to toca door apartment by one man venezolano by inicialnan h.r.b.39 year. he owing to say police cu past owing to bay work in careda by 9’or y pico by morning. at her trabao her neighbour owing to yame before bise cu thief owing to break come into in her apartment. owing to constata cu via window thief owing to come into. was have lock break by her door by camber y all cos in the apartment was reboltea. owing to somenta holoshi model swatch y also suma by 400 dolar owing to cria leg. all the time also in alto vista also cantidad by ladronicia is take lugar. seems neither cu alarma do not grab the thief more, in one fraccion by time they're break come into steal y descend at water cu thou pertenencianan. patrol north owing to bay in oranan by morning at the direccion at alto vista, at arrival personal by one compania by seguridad already was present. according the guardia they owing to averigua y thief not was tey more. one lady owing to say police cu the cas is pertenece at casa by her child muher. he was on sea. thief owing to forza window, till so far owing to averigua cu laptop owing to desaparece, but was have more articulo owing to somenta. will work list by locual thief owing to bay cune y entrega this at police.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #463 on: October 14, 2010, 08:10:33 PM »

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-20019607-504083.html

October 14, 2010 3:26 PM

Joran van der Sloot Drug Probe: Accused Killer's Lawyer Wants Peru to Investigate Alleged Prison Pot Buy

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Joran van der Sloot (CBS/AP)



LIMA, Peru (CBS) Peruvian officials are being urged to investigate how Joran van der Sloot allegedly bought drugs from a prison guard while incarcerated.


Surveillance video from inside Lima's Miguel Castro Castro prison, where van der sloot is being held in the death of Peruvian student Stephany Flores, purportedly shows the young Dutchman trying to buy marijuana.


The grainy footage is believed to show a shirtless van der Sloot standing outside his cell when a drug dealer walks up to him and asks if he wants to buy some pot, according to CNN, which says the footage comes from Peruvian television station, America TV.


According to the video, van der Sloot answers, "Can you sell it to me for five soles[$1.80]?"


RadarOnline reports that the drug dealer was actually an officer of the National Penitentiary Institute.


"Those involved in the shameful fact are fully identified on the tape and will be brought to justice," a source told the website.


Van der Sloot's attorney, Maximo Altez, says the whole thing was "staged" and he has asked Peru's National Correctional Institute to investigate how the tape was made and how it was leaked, according to Radar.


Altez told CNN that his client had been granted permission to paint his cell and that was why his shirt is off in the video: "He took off his shirt so that he wouldn't paint his clothes. He is painting and the guards are talking to him."


Van der Sloot is being held for the death of the 21-year-old Flores, whom he confessed to fatally beating, strangling and suffocating in his Lima hotel room, according to transcripts of his signed confession. He has since recanted in an interview with a Dutch newspaper, and has attempted - thus far unsuccessfully - to have the confession suppressed for a variety of reasons.


Flores' death occurred five years after Alabama teen Natalee Holloway disappeared in Aruba, a case in which van der Sloot is the main suspect.


The Dutchman faces charges of first-degree murder and robbery for the May 30 death of Flores.


It's hard to believe the guards aren't painting Hotel Joran for him.

 

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« Reply #464 on: October 14, 2010, 08:13:46 PM »



Congratulations, Sharon, on your new Grandbaby.  Boy or Girl?

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« Reply #465 on: October 14, 2010, 09:08:43 PM »



Congratulations, Sharon, on your new Grandbaby.  Boy or Girl?

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Thank you Bearlyhere!  I appreciate that! She is a precious little girl and it was a high risk pregnancy so I am elated!
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« Reply #466 on: October 14, 2010, 09:17:17 PM »

I cannot imagine raising a baby girl, loving her, changing her diapers, cleaning her scraped knees, watching her go to Kindergarten, then Junior High, High School, then, for one final moment, you give into her interdependency and will to travel and see the world and poof............ your baby girl is gone.  It could have been any of our daughters and to look back on what Beth and Dave have gone through is just a travesty.  Someone in Aruba has answers.  How will they feel when they have daughters?  The truth will come out.... I feel it.  What will their daughters think of them then?  Joran Vandersloot is lower than the scum on the ponds.  Slowly his life crumbles.  Slowly his family crumbles.  Slowly Aruba's tourism crumbles and is tarnished.  It could all stop.  I hope the rats are out in Lima, Peru tonight!
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« Reply #467 on: October 14, 2010, 11:19:38 PM »

An Answer will Come

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  Kathleen, the FBI victim assistance specialist, tries to help me through these days with her comforting soft tone and encouraging words.  She tells me maybe it's time to go home.  But that's the last thing I intend to do.  I can't leave Natalee here.  Won't.  I learn to recognize the sign of a panic attack and mentally fend it off.

The only things that help are the beautiful messages of hope starting to stream in.

Psalm 86:7
In the day of my trouble I call on you, for you will answer.


Romans 5:1-5
Therefore, since we have been made right in God’s sight by faith, we have peace with God because of what Jesus Christ our Lord has done for us.  Because of our faith, Christ has brought us into this place of undeserved privilege where we now stand, and we confidently and joyfully look forward to sharing God’s glory.  We can rejoice, too, when we run into problems and trials, for we know that they help us develop endurance.  And endurance develops strength of character, and character strengthens our confident hope of salvation.  And this hope will not lead to disappointment. For we know how dearly God loves us, because he has given us the Holy Spirit to fill our hearts with his love.


These powerful words quiet my mind and help me understand that an answer will come.  And warm peace blankets me like it did that morning on the hillside at the cross as I think about Natalee's relationshi with God.
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« Reply #468 on: October 14, 2010, 11:21:34 PM »

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Congratulations, Sharon, on your new Grandbaby.  Boy or Girl?

 an angelic monkey


Thank you Bearlyhere!  I appreciate that! She is a precious little girl and it was a high risk pregnancy so I am elated!

 

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« Reply #470 on: October 15, 2010, 02:17:13 AM »

The second report sounds like it might have been the Hagedoorn's, not sure though.

http://www.diario.aw/2010/10/casonan-di-ladronicia-ta-cos-di-tur-dia-na-aruba/

Papiamentu translation:

casonan by ladronicia is cos by all day at aruba

publication: diahuebs, 14 october 2010.

categoria: policial

oranjestad (aan): in oranan by at night, patrol oranjestad owing to worde dirigi before atende the tantisimo ladronicianan cu is tumando lugar in wayaca. the trip owing to toca door apartment by one man venezolano by inicialnan h.r.b.39 year. he owing to say police cu past owing to bay work in careda by 9’or y pico by morning. at her trabao her neighbour owing to yame before bise cu thief owing to break come into in her apartment. owing to constata cu via window thief owing to come into. was have lock break by her door by camber y all cos in the apartment was reboltea. owing to somenta holoshi model swatch y also suma by 400 dolar owing to cria leg. all the time also in alto vista also cantidad by ladronicia is take lugar. seems neither cu alarma do not grab the thief more, in one fraccion by time they're break come into steal y descend at water cu thou pertenencianan. patrol north owing to bay in oranan by morning at the direccion at alto vista, at arrival personal by one compania by seguridad already was present. according the guardia they owing to averigua y thief not was tey more. one lady owing to say police cu the cas is pertenece at casa by her child muher. he was on sea. thief owing to forza window, till so far owing to averigua cu laptop owing to desaparece, but was have more articulo owing to somenta. will work list by locual thief owing to bay cune y entrega this at police.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #471 on: October 15, 2010, 02:22:10 AM »



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #472 on: October 15, 2010, 06:28:30 AM »



                 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

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                 http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0

Let's leave the light on for her.



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Let's leave the light on for her.



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Sharon/TX.  Congratulations on your newest Grandbaby.  Glad to hear she was safely delivered.   an angelic monkey
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« Reply #478 on: October 15, 2010, 01:59:56 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79647.php

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ARUBA

Foxy Lady owner back in court

October 15, 2010, 13:38 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Alex Mathew, owner of Foxy Lady strip club in San Nicolas, must appear in court next week. This will judge the extension of his detention.

Mathew's since early August on suspicion of human trafficking among others. If he is convicted for this, it is a prison sentence of six to twelve years above the head, said the Public Prosecutor (OM). Two other suspects are still in custody. Besides human beings, they are also suspected of involvement in a criminal organization. "The investigation is still ongoing," said prosecutor Lars Stempher. He explains that the OM Mathew yet determined the suspect because it would have a very serious crime is involved and because there is "research activities" to be performed. He says it is a complex issue because even abroad to be worked. "We must work for justice in countries from North and South America and Europe." The alleged victims are the first in countries like Brazil, Czech Republic, Ukraine.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #479 on: October 15, 2010, 02:05:22 PM »

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New prosecutors: "A dynamic duo

October 15, 2010, 13:34 (GMT -04:00)


Officers Vreneli Vreeling (left) and Lars Stempher the office of the Public Prosecutor.

ORANGE CITY - Full of energy and enthusiasm is from Rotterdam Vreneli Adrienne Vreeling (34) simultaneously in the Deventer Stempher Lars (1936) by Oct. 1 started as a prosecutor at the Public Prosecutor (OM). Both have the training Judicial Officer in Training (Raio) successfully completed and extensive experience as an officer.

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Both officers may not bring cases to court. They must first be sworn in yet. When this occurs swearing is not yet known but will not be long in coming, so expect the OM. In the meantime, the new officers deal with acquaintances with all government departments and what they go together. Moreover, they take the files by which they will soon become a full officer will try and treat their fellow officers whenever possible to relieve.

Vreeling as public prosecutor at the District Office of Den Bosch experience in the field of domestic violence. A new discipline within the Aruban prosecutor and that therefore its portfolio ended. Specifies the PPS demonstrates its concerns about this issue and all related crimes. "It's more of a criminal than people often think," says Vreeling. "Hence in the Netherlands research has shown that a large number of murders resulting from domestic violence." As an extreme example she cites the case of Richard H. This guy living in Zoetermeer in 2005 brought his wife and children were killed. Vreeling case officer was. "Richard was first reported by the disappearance of his wife and daughters. The investigation showed quickly that he had them in his own home and then killed in a forest in Brabant was buried. "It is a matter that" in all facets impressed "made to the officer. When the court in The Hague was the man sentenced to life imprisonment, according to the requirement of the OM. On appeal, the punishment of the man was reduced to 20 years with TBS.

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Although this murder is an extreme example of how domestic violence can escalate, says Vreeling that even mild forms of domestic violence is a huge social impact. "The impact on children is enormous." She wants to Aruba to work on awareness and more willingness to report. "That is a problem," said the officer. "Many victims are ashamed or blame themselves." Vreeling want to clarify that victims are not alone and that there is help for them. Apart from domestic violence, the officer also deals with matters of the Land Investigation, sex offenses, victim care, Internal Affairs Bureau and several other departments of government. Moreover, the district Vreeling Santa Cruz under management received. She is the first point of contact for the Public Police in this district.

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Stempher district officer is an officer for Orange City. He has also attacked his wallet, the environment, coast guard, customs, immigration and human trafficking. Stempher enjoy the dynamic of the officer being. "Being involved in a case from beginning to end, from prosecution to execution," which is the gene that fascinates him. That is why during his training Raio chose the direction of an officer rather than judge. "If you're right but with a facet of the business process, it is more the end product." When asked for a remarkable case of his career, he immediately called 'Queen'. "I was with Gert Veurink, one of the two case officers in the incident on Queen's last year in Apeldoorn." It drove a man in the crowd who stood watching the procession of the royal family. Eight people were then killed including the driver of the car. "So you see it happening on TV and a half hours later you're at the police station and give you guidance in the investigation."

The Aruban OM Stempher will be in charge of another notable case, the investigation of Matthew Alexander, owner of Foxy Lady strip club. In his previous job as an officer in the national office in the Netherlands he has been indirectly involved in this case EAP. He was at the prosecutor responsible for trafficking and smuggling. Experience that comes in handy now. "Because it is a complex issue," said Stempher.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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