Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10

[texasmom]

RE:  DOMINO Case

http://www.diario.aw/2010/10/tur-e-sospechosonan-a-indica-cu-nan-no-tabata-sa-cu-e-placa-cambia-na-dollar-ta-placa-di-droga/

Papiamentu translation:

all the sospechosonan owing to indica cu they not was know cu the coin change at dollar, is coin by drugs

publication: diabierna, 15 october 2010.

categoria: judicial

oranjestad(aan): diahuebs at corte did take lugar one caso in cual benito owing to.v.d.b, muskesh h.s, oscar the.c y gilbert therefore.s owing to wordo acusa by labamento by coin. the acusacion is encera cu among 1 by may 2005 y 11 by may 2006, because also among 12 by may 2006 till cu 24 by september 2007, the personanan here was ricibi y change coin, by cual they have to owing to know cu the is procedente by traficacion by drugs or by another crimen.

this is one caso cu is part by the famous caso by “domino”, cu owing to wordo deal enough time happen. the acusacion owing to wordo separa in two period, because cierto leynan by labamento by coin owing to change.

according the acusacion, or.c will owing to change more by 326.599 guilder at banco at dollar before one by the sospechosonan principal by the caso domino esta luis mansur, that at present is sintando her castigo at kia.

g.s owing to wordo acusa cu the was the person at banco, where cu the 326 thousand guilder owing to wordo change. m.s is one hindu cu is owner by some business y past owing to wordo acusa cu the was take thousand by guilder for by one by the sospechosonan principal in the caso domino cu is rafa market ochoa y change this in dollar.

b.b was one ambtenaar by douane y the also was change guilder before dollar before rafa ochoa. advocate duijneveld representando b.b owing to indicate huez on the mature cu past owing to ask before some witness wordo listen in corte y they not owing to wordo invita before come.

fiscal owing to indica cu the peticion owing to come into mucho late y duijneveld is attain cu if past owing to entrega the peticion at hour. huez owing to say cu the peticion owing to wordo entrega one bit late, but the is bay look at if the will can employ one another manner legal, before permiti yet for her testigonan wordo listen.

past owing to say cu the be willing to cuminza cu tratamento by the caso, during by cual the will dicidi if will listen the testigonan after or not. advocate duijneveld owing to say huez cu past owing to word come to anend cu her cliente cu adieu huez not permiti before hear the testigonan, her cliente will do usage by her derecho by remain keto, while cu duijneveld self will sit listen the caso, before after bay corte superior cu the caso.

the advocate owing to say cu apparently the regulation by entrega peticion at hour is more important cu attain know the berdad in the caso here.

huez owing to cuminza at deal the part by the caso cu have by haber cu g.s y or.c., for by the dossier cu be called “santanero”. is so cu investigacion owing to indicate cu or.c was change thousand by guilder by luis mansur at banco before attain dollar.

the suspicion was cu is coin procedente by drugs. or. was change the coin here at banco close g.s. g. owing to admiti cu the was change the coin not totalmente according reglanan by banco. the was change the coin at dollar usando one formula by cambio, where cu the was remain cu one part diminutive by the coin.

before cada 10.000 dollar give at mansur, g. was remain cu 300 guilder. g.s same cu or.c owing to say cu they not was know cu the coin was procedente by traficacion by drugs. or. owing to indica at police cu the was have añanan is work before family by l.m y cu they're amigo.

past owing to say cu the not was wordo pay before change the coin before mansur. according or., was one please by amigo the was do. huez owing to indicate on the mature cu g.s owing to arrive by ask or. if the coin is by drugs y g. owing to say huez cu at dado instant past owing to cuminza sospecha cu quizas algo do not cuadra, because the will owing to look at one news in cual owing to wordo say cu drugs attain on one boat will was by mansur.

huez owing to bise cu is odd if cu past owing to doubt, but so self past owing to follow change guilder at dollar before mansur. g. owing to say cu the was have casi 30 year trahando at banco y so self her salary not was great cos.

door cu the was have quite debt, past owing to dicidi by follow do thing the was do. huez owing to indicate also on the mature cu in one combersacion graba by tap among or.c y g.s, or.c will owing to say g. s cu the will change the coin in two trip, before this not drag atencion.

before thing is the part by benito b., remark by police owing to indica cu at wel wel among another, rafa ochoa was tabata trece thousand by guilder before b.b. huez owing to do various question at b.b, but the not owing to contesta, saying cu the is do usage by her derecho by remain keto.

huez owing to indica cu hour police owing to listra cas by b.b, they owing to encounter cu 101.000 guilder y 18.000 dollar, paketa in rolnan diminutive. at dado instant huez owing to ask duijneveld if the have question before her cliente y past owing to say cu if her cliente not can have one proceso fair in corte, the do not do neither question.

the advocate owing to ask griffier specificamente before anota thing past owing to say.

before thing is the part by m.h.s in the caso here, is so cu the was change guilder before dollar in her business, before rafa market ochoa. the also owing to say cu the not was know cu the coin was procedente by asuntonan by drugs.

according m.s, the business by dje is one business where practicamente only tourist is cumpra. door by esey always the have dollar, but the have cu pay her empleadonan at guilder. mirando this, always the is interesa before person trece guilder pe, before so the can pay the salarionan y cierto another gastonan.

ochoa was give 1 guilder 80 before cada dollar, while cu m.s at banco will owing to attain only 1.77. before ochoa was faborable for her change her florinnan in the business by m.s, because if the will owing to bay cumpra dollar at banco, the have to pay casi 1.83.

this according m.s, that owing to remain bird upstairs cu the not was sospecha cu ochoa will was envolvi in asuntonan by drugs, because always the was bao by the impresion, cu ochoa was one comerciante exitoso.

past owing to say in corte cu past owing to change alrededor by 150.000 dollar before ochoa. fiscal owing to exigi before all sospechoso one castigo condicional by 5 moon. huez owing to dicidi by pospone tratamento by the part by the caso by benito v.d.b before one time indefini, before listen market ochoa because witness.

before thing is muskesh h.s., huez owing to declare pound by all acusacion. before thing is gilbert s. y oscar c., huez owing to declara they pound by intencionalmente wash coin. sinembargo past owing to attain if cu they owing to aid wash coin y cu they have to was more cauteloso. pesey past owing to give they one castigo condicional by 3 moon.

[Kermit]

Has anyone done any research as to why they picked the particular lawyers,and or law firm that is representing them?What is their connection to Aruba,or anybody associated with Aruba?Who is financing this,and why?TIA

Yeah, we need to find the connections. I have some stuff.



This is AHATA's US attorney (as recently as August 2007)


Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP


Here is a link to their most recent court case for their client

http://dockets.justia.com/docket/court-ctdce/case_no-3:2007cv01297/case_id-78822/

Here is the K brothers Chicago attorneys firm

Cremer, Kopon, Shaughnessy & Spina, L LC



Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw Llp
230 South Lasalle Street
Chicago, IL 60604-1404
http://www.mayerbrown.com
Industry: Legal service
Revenue: $500M - $1B in sales
Employees: 1,000 - 2,500 employees
http://center.spoke.com/info/c4G5V/MayerBrownRoweMawLlp
___________________________________________

THEY (both law firms) ARE INTO SECURITY- FINANCIAL ASSETS
We represent commercial banks, investment banks
http://www.mayerbrown.com/securitization/overview/index.asp
_________________________________________________________________
THEY (both law firms) ARE BOTH LAW FIRMS THAT SPONSOR CRISTO REY NETWORK WHICH WAS FEATURED ON A 60 MINUTES PROGRAM

CHICAGO, IL) CRISTO REY JESUIT HIGH SCHOOL (2007-2008)

Cremer Kopon Shaughnessy & Spina, LLC
Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP (3)
http://www.cristoreynetwork.org/Corporate/list.shtml
http://tinyurl.com/25tl2a
_______________________________

BOTH Contributed $500-9999 to Cristo Rey Network
http://tinyurl.com/2964pn
___________________________________
BOTH are also doners to DePaul University
www.law.depaul.edu/applicants/pdf/admission_brochure.pdf -
____________________________
BOTH ARE PATENT ATTORNEY'S:

Hoerman, Timothy
Cremer Kopon Shaughnessy and Spina, LLC
Chicago IL US 60601
Attorney

Speer, Richard
Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP
Chicago IL US 60690-2828
Attorney
http://www.patentattorney-north.com/attorneys_by_state/attorneys_illinois.html


Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP + aruba google

De Varax, Matthieu, Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw LLP, Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP hires ..... on the tourism presentation given by the Aruba Hotel and Tourism . ...www.zoominfo.com/people/level2page9481.aspx - 119k


Kirschner; Defendant: Grant Thornton LLP, Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw LLP, Ernst & Young .... Plaintiff: Aruba Hotel Enterprises NV; Defendant: Michael Belfonti, ...dockets.justia.com/search?q=Capital+holdings - 132k

Anguilla; Antigua and Barbuda; Aruba; Bahamas; Barbados .... Rdiger Herrmann, partner, Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw LLP, will lead this interactive workshop ...
beta.silobreaker.com/View360.aspx?Item=11_9587019 - 177k

[Kermit]

JORAN STATES HE TOOK NATALEE TO HIS HOME AT 1:40 AM AND HE HAD SEX WITH HER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNM32lS81Zc
__________________________________________

BETH: HE HAD SEX WITH MY DAUGHTER
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TNM32lS81Zc
This is backed up with Dompig's statement that “we now believe they went back to VDS home.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006...644_page5.shtml





BETH: Oh, yes, Geraldo. You know when I heard you state
that Joran is still stating that he had no involvement with her
disappearance but something that Jug and Dave, Natalee’s
father and I have had knowledge of since early in July, so
we have Joran’s statements. We have had them translated
for us, and we have at least five. You know, Geraldo, what
has been so difficult for us is that we have had this knowledge
that Joran has admitted to having sex with Natalee AT HIS HOME as she is coming in and out of consciousness. You know we
have protected the integrity of the investigation because we felt that
was the professional way to handle this but you know when we
have been slapped in the face by the Dutch government and . . .

GERALDO: You say that Van der Sloot admits in his police
statement that he is having sex with your daughter, whom
I believe was a virgin before she went to Aruba, as she lapses
in and out of consciousness?

BETH: Absolutely Geraldo.

GERALDO: Isn’t there a law , as I recall, one of the things
the Kalpoe brothers were suspected of in the porno tapes that
they did with the 14 year old was having sex with someone
with whom did not have the capacity to give consent. Its seems
to me that if your daughter was phasing in and out of
consciousness she can not legally consent to have sex.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko3XpZOBod0

[Keepthefaith]

Thanks Kermit!

De Varax, Matthieu, Mayer Brown Rowe & Maw LLP, Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw LLP hires ..... on the tourism presentation given by the Aruba Hotel and Tourism . ...www.zoominfo.com/people/level2page9481.aspx - 119k


Is there an explanation of what the presentation was?One would think that you wouldn't need attorneys for tourism.Wouldn't that be left to the marketing dept?

[Tamikosmom]

Ribbit!

Kermit ... could the lighthouse/Arashi Beach have been the location where "something bad" happened.

Thoughts?

Janet

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<snipped>

.... or could the "something bad" have happened at the van der Sloot residence and ... Natalee was taken to the lighthouse/Arashi Beach ... not the Marriot Beach?

Janet

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Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

After that the family wanted us to go with the police to show them the route we drove. Joran's father refused. I also said no. After that the police officers said it was nonsense to drive out to the light house at that moment in time. The family then asked if we could go to the Holiday Inn to point out the security guard that worked there to the police.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=182.0

Janet is there a quote by Beth after she and Greta visited the van der Sloots home the first time wherein she stated that she *felt* that Natalee had been in that home?

<snipped>

Kermit

Beth claims that she saw a declaration where Joran states that Natalee was taken to the van der Sloot residence and a sexual encounter occured.  In her book Beth identifies Joran's June 13th suspect as the source. 

+++++++.

'The Abrams Report' for Sept. 14th
updated 9/15/2005 11:21:45 AM ET

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY‘S MOTHER:  You know, I‘ve seen several of Joran‘s statements and I don‘t know why he was released.  I hope that these statements were not withheld from evidence presented before the judge of instruction because they are hugely, hugely showing his involvement in this crime against Natalee.  I mean he has her coming in and out of consciousness, repeatedly throughout his statements.  You know he admits to bringing her to his home and even gives a date and a time, 1:40 a.m. on May the 30th, and has sex with her in his home.  You know, I just hope those statements made it before the judge of instruction.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9353948/


JORAN 06/13/2005 STATEMENT
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=175.0

[Tamikosmom]

Klaas

Thank you for posting the updated document pertaining to the defamation lawsuit.

A special thank you to whoever is providing the forum with all these documents.

Janet

[2NJSons_Mom]

OK, not that it really means anything but just to keep track of stuff:

Looks like the Gottenbos parents have split up and now the dad Alexander Gottenbos is in Hollywood Florida (I think).

Koen's facebook:  Note no dad, just his mom with a different last name

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308#!/profile.php?id=729896308

The only Alex or Alexander Gottenbos I can find is in Hollywood, FL

Thanks, Klaas.....guess both parents might find Koen behind their couch moving forward......or in their bed!!!

[2NJSons_Mom]

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4904&offId=0

24 minuut pasa | Fecha: 15/10/2010 | Horario: 21:20

ATRACO NA OFICINA DI LUCKY NUMBERS DEN CAYA ELEUTERIO "BOES" ORMAN, NAN A BAY CU 1800 FLORIN


Nos lo sigui informa

I recognize Jacobs but what does the headline say?  You are so good at deciphering papiamento.  

Have to add....I hope Biggest Loser doesn't go to Aruba for contestants....I don't think I could continue to watch.   

I think it's describing the robbery of the "Lucky Numbers" office.

Thank you, TM....
 

[San]

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4904&offId=0

24 minuut pasa | Fecha: 15/10/2010 | Horario: 21:20

ATRACO NA OFICINA DI LUCKY NUMBERS DEN CAYA ELEUTERIO "BOES" ORMAN, NAN A BAY CU 1800 FLORIN


Nos lo sigui informa

Look at that picture.  This POS is still living.  I wait for the day when they announce he dropped dead. 

[Tamikosmom]

Beth Holloway:

Jan van der Stratten is corrupt to the core of his existence.  He just doesn't deserve any more words..

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2008/02/13/scared-monkeys-radio-daily-commentary-wednesday-february-13-2008-tonights-dana-pretzer-show-to-be-one-of-the-hardest-hitting-shows-to-date/

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
10:00 PM PT

[Tibrogargan]

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4904&offId=0

24 minuut pasa | Fecha: 15/10/2010 | Horario: 21:20

ATRACO NA OFICINA DI LUCKY NUMBERS DEN CAYA ELEUTERIO "BOES" ORMAN, NAN A BAY CU 1800 FLORIN


Nos lo sigui informa

Look at that picture.  This POS is still living.  I wait for the day when they announce he dropped dead. 

from malnutrition?

[texasmom]

OK, not that it really means anything but just to keep track of stuff:

Looks like the Gottenbos parents have split up and now the dad Alexander Gottenbos is in Hollywood Florida (I think).

Koen's facebook:  Note no dad, just his mom with a different last name

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308#!/profile.php?id=729896308

The only Alex or Alexander Gottenbos I can find is in Hollywood, FL

Verberne, Renita's maiden name?

I'd intended to go back and check on some of this more when I came across a Facebook page that Renita was posting on a while ago...forgot about it and now the FB page has gone poof...but I'd saved enough to find some information.



https://secure.sos.state.ga.us/myverification/Details.aspx?agency_id=1&license_id=1028577&

Prior Owners



https://secure.sos.state.ga.us/myverification/Details.aspx?agency_id=1&license_id=1175603&



https://secure.sos.state.ga.us/myverification/Details.aspx?agency_id=1&license_id=1175588&



https://secure.sos.state.ga.us/myverification/Details.aspx?agency_id=1&license_id=1194710&



October 2008?

http://www.patricksofatlanta.com/patricks1008.pdf

[texasmom]

http://www.gwinnettcourts.com/#casedetail/case:10%2dc%2d05723%2ds2/



:    10-C-05723-S2        Case Date:    Tuesday, April 13, 2010
Case Type:    STATE COURT GENERAL CIVIL        Case Category:    CONTRACT

Disposition Manner:   
Jury Trial Demand:           Filing Type:    Complaint
Official:    Judge Randy Rich        :   
 
  Party Information ( Top )   
    
Parties          Attorneys (Associated To Parties)
2003 Riverside Parkway Llc    -  Plaintiff
       
Gottenbos, Alexander    -  Defendant
Summons:   4/14/2010 Monday, April 19, 2010 Personal Service Sheriff
       
Mills, Steven M    ( 509772 )
Attorney Type:   Attorney For Defendant
Attorney Phone:   (770) 513-8111
Gottenbos, Renita    -  Defendant
Summons:   4/14/2010 Monday, April 19, 2010 Notorious Service Sheriff  Srvd: Alexander Gottenbos, Husband
       
Poole, Zachary R    ( 513713 )
Attorney Type:   Attorney For Defendant
Attorney Phone:   (770) 513-8111
 
  Attorney Information ( Top )   
    
Sleister, Michael R       (004110)    -  Attorney For Plaintiff   (770) 887-7761
 
  Documents ( Top )Document images may be obtained at the court house   
    

04/13/2010 - Gen Civil Case Filing Info Form - Attorney For Plaintiff
04/20/2010 - Sheriff's Entry Of Service
04/20/2010 - Sheriff's Entry Of Service
05/18/2010 - Answer - Attorney For Defendant
Filed By: 2003 Riverside Parkway Llc
Filed By: Gottenbos, Renita
05/18/2010 - Jury Demand - Attorney For Defendant
07/15/2010 - Certificate Of Service Of Discovry - Attorney For Defendant
07/19/2010 - Certificate Of Service Of Discovry - Attorney For Defendant

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1024&bih=653&q=2003+Riverside+Parkway+Llc&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=C4xlJh2u5TPY2pebKBMTDwf0JAAAAqgQFT9DJ0pw

[texasmom]

[texasmom]

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE
AND STEPHANY!

[Sharon/Tx]

Sharon/TX.  Congratulations on your newest Grandbaby.  Glad to hear she was safely delivered.   

Thank you Can!  I appreciate that!

[Ono]

They thought it would be so easy and by "they" I mean those in Aruba that are backing the Kalpoes in this ridiculous suit. They figured Dr. Phil and CBS would settle out of court years ago.  Now they are not only in jeopardy of losing and getting zilch but they will likely be ordered to pay the defense costs.

Now that is KARMA with a capital K 

 

[Ono]

OK, not that it really means anything but just to keep track of stuff:

Looks like the Gottenbos parents have split up and now the dad Alexander Gottenbos is in Hollywood Florida (I think).

Koen's facebook:  Note no dad, just his mom with a different last name

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=729896308#!/profile.php?id=729896308

The only Alex or Alexander Gottenbos I can find is in Hollywood, FL

Interesting ...

[klaasend]

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4913&offId=0

police owing to captura ladronnan during madruga at tanki leendert, owing to detene one choller female y one choller americano

saturday madruga owing to come into informe by cu have ladronnan is hortando at one cas at tanki leendert, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at caminda for her sitio owing to make a note one pickup sospechoso y owing to bay pare. at instant cu owing to pare 3 sospechoso owing to try huy but police owing to succeed captura 2 by they, one is one choller female y the another is one choller americano. come across




This American Chollar resembles Joran's buddy John Ludwick