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« Reply #600 on: October 18, 2010, 10:25:30 PM »

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Joran Murder Mysteries

The mysteries surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores 



 
Author: John van den Heuvel

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Joran in murder mysteries reveal Telegraph journalist John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses many new facts in the criminal proceedings against Joran van der Sloot. They had access to confidential medical records and secret research documents and unravel the possible conspiracy behind the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores. This book, with unique photos from the infamous Castro Castro prison, is the first truly complete story of Joran van der Sloot.

It is an almost incredible story. In May 2005 an American girl disappears in Aruba: Natalee Holloway. She seems the vanished after a night out with the then 17-year-old Joran van der Sloot. Exactly five years later, another girl went missing in Peru. A search for Stephany Flores leads to a hotel room in Lima, which is in the name of Joran van der Sloot. Stephany is found murdered. Like Natalee Holloway Joran met the girl for the first time in a casino.

The charges against Joran van der Sloot now control the world news for over five years and raise many questions. Where is Natalee? Joran is a dangerous psychopath or a wild animal hunted by the media? Why Stephany Flores was exactly five years after the disappearance of Natalee murdered? What dubious role played enforcement agencies in Aruba and the United States? Joran van der Sloot ever come available?

John van den Heuvel and Bert Houses are both renowned crime reporters De Telegraaf newspaper. The authors of "Joran murder mysteries for years to publish controversial articles about serious crime. Their previous joint books of William Holleeder Era '(2008), "Fallen Angel" (2009) and "Kidnapping!" (2010) were genuine bestseller.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #601 on: October 18, 2010, 10:35:50 PM »

Why does it not surprise me that the new book about Joran and the Rene Gielen timeline are
from the same publisher?

I wonder if Anita gave John van den Heuvel Joran's psychiatric evaluation report.
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« Reply #602 on: October 18, 2010, 10:39:43 PM »

Why does it not surprise me that the new book about Joran and the Rene Gielen timeline are
from the same publisher?

I wonder if Anita gave John van den Heuvel Joran's psychiatric evaluation report.
Are we concerned this is going to be pro-Joran?
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« Reply #603 on: October 18, 2010, 10:49:57 PM »

Why does it not surprise me that the new book about Joran and the Rene Gielen timeline are
from the same publisher?

I wonder if Anita gave John van den Heuvel Joran's psychiatric evaluation report.
Are we concerned this is going to be pro-Joran?


Well, I am.   I think it was hastily thrown together after Stephany's murder,
with help from Anita and her crew. 
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« Reply #604 on: October 18, 2010, 10:54:15 PM »

JMO  I get a real sick feeling this new book is going to be part two of the blame anyone/everyone but Joran series....

And all of it with Anita van der Sloot right in the middle of it, and profiting from it.

Renee Gielen - blame Natalee and her family for Natalee's disappearance.

John van den Heuvel - blame ALE and the FBI for Stephany's murder.

 


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #605 on: October 18, 2010, 10:54:38 PM »

Why does it not surprise me that the new book about Joran and the Rene Gielen timeline are
from the same publisher?

I wonder if Anita gave John van den Heuvel Joran's psychiatric evaluation report.
Are we concerned this is going to be pro-Joran?

Well, I am.   I think it was hastily thrown together after Stephany's murder,
with help from Anita and her crew. 

Now you have me worried!!
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« Reply #606 on: October 18, 2010, 11:00:28 PM »

http://showbizzkanaal.skynetblogs.be/archive/2010/09/22/jorans-moordmysteries-door-john-van-den-heuvel-bert-huisjes.html

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #607 on: October 18, 2010, 11:18:11 PM »

The local news in Bham just said that in the new book Joran tells exactly what happened to Natalee.

How many times has Joran told "exactly" what happened to Natalee? 
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« Reply #608 on: October 18, 2010, 11:26:13 PM »

Older article from June...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5512796/insanity_plea_unlikely_for_joran_van.html

Insanity Plea Unlikely for Joran Van Der Sloot: Mother's Declarations Won't Likely Help


Published June 22, 2010 by:
Sheila Chase

Joran van der Sloot's mother, Anita van der Sloot claims that her son is not mentally well. She says that Joran went to Peru to avoid a "high security section of a psychiatric hospital," according to CNN. Even so, CNN reports that medical authorities declare that Joran can "perceive and evaluate reality." So, what does this mean for Joran van der Sloot? Well, it certainly means that authorities are taking every precaution to secure the conviction of a sane young man, but it also means that an insanity plea would not be a wise move for Joran van der Sloot. What evidence does Joran' mother, Anita van der Sloot, really base her medical conclusion on? Was a psychiatric facility treating Joran van der Sloot as an outpatient? What warranted a "high security section" of a psychiatric facility? Even more, why would a psychiatric facility allow such a patient to leave if he needed to be in "high security"?

What about Anita van der Sloot just now telling this information? Is she telling this now just to help out her son? Why did she not tell it before to help keep others safe from her son's mental state? If, in fact, this is true that Joran went to Peru to avoid such "high security" circumstances, why did Anita van der Sloot not contact (Peruvian or Aruban) authorities? Did she not know that a person who is in need of high security psychiatric care could be harmful to self or others? Does Anita van der Sloot see that she could hold some responsibility in this situation if she's telling the truth about her son's mental fitness? According to CNN, she says that Joran suffered psychological distress because he blamed himself for his father's death. Isn't this shifting the blame, a bit?
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #609 on: October 18, 2010, 11:31:40 PM »

The local news in Bham just said that in the new book Joran tells exactly what happened to Natalee.

How many times has Joran told "exactly" what happened to Natalee? 

Thanks Magnolia!

And I guess law enforcement, and Natalee's family had to wait for the book to come out to find out the details of the latest story? 

 
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #610 on: October 18, 2010, 11:31:49 PM »

The local news in Bham just said that in the new book Joran tells exactly what happened to Natalee.

How many times has Joran told "exactly" what happened to Natalee? 
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« Reply #611 on: October 18, 2010, 11:36:47 PM »

2nd part of the email information pertains to PVDS and his visit to Miami in 2005:

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Regards Miami purveyers of pornography, and a possible reason for Paulus's visit to Miami:  The following information regards "Webe web" occurred this year:  The owners of Webe web Marc Evan Greenberg and Jeff Libman who ran a "children's" modeling website and also hosted a hardcore pornography website were indicted and were/are awaiting sentencing for possession of child erotica.
 
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/corporation-pleads-guilty-to-transportation-production-of-child-pornography


I found this most interesting and plan on researching any possible ties to Aruba when I have time later tonight 


Klaas

It appears that this was a topic of discussion back in June, 2008.

Janet

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End of Thread 759
Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 - 6/22
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2938.0
 

Beginning of Thread 760
Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22 - 6/26/08
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2951.0


Is it the same company?  I'm not so sure.   

Rob would probably know.

Good Night All.

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« Reply #612 on: October 18, 2010, 11:54:13 PM »

Older article from June...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5512796/insanity_plea_unlikely_for_joran_van.html

Insanity Plea Unlikely for Joran Van Der Sloot: Mother's Declarations Won't Likely Help


Published June 22, 2010 by:
Sheila Chase

Joran van der Sloot's mother, Anita van der Sloot claims that her son is not mentally well. She says that Joran went to Peru to avoid a "high security section of a psychiatric hospital," according to CNN. Even so, CNN reports that medical authorities declare that Joran can "perceive and evaluate reality." So, what does this mean for Joran van der Sloot? Well, it certainly means that authorities are taking every precaution to secure the conviction of a sane young man, but it also means that an insanity plea would not be a wise move for Joran van der Sloot. What evidence does Joran' mother, Anita van der Sloot, really base her medical conclusion on? Was a psychiatric facility treating Joran van der Sloot as an outpatient? What warranted a "high security section" of a psychiatric facility? Even more, why would a psychiatric facility allow such a patient to leave if he needed to be in "high security"?

What about Anita van der Sloot just now telling this information? Is she telling this now just to help out her son? Why did she not tell it before to help keep others safe from her son's mental state? If, in fact, this is true that Joran went to Peru to avoid such "high security" circumstances, why did Anita van der Sloot not contact (Peruvian or Aruban) authorities? Did she not know that a person who is in need of high security psychiatric care could be harmful to self or others? Does Anita van der Sloot see that she could hold some responsibility in this situation if she's telling the truth about her son's mental fitness? According to CNN, she says that Joran suffered psychological distress because he blamed himself for his father's death. Isn't this shifting the blame, a bit?



Anita needs to keep her stories straight.  She says one time that Joran went to avoid the phychiatric hospital.
Then she said that he was lured to Peru by the undercover FBI agent.

I guess if you are a Van der Sloot, one lie is as good as the next.

I am so glad that Beth went with Peter DeVries to Peru to try to contridict some of the lies.
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Older article from June...

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/5512796/insanity_plea_unlikely_for_joran_van.html

Insanity Plea Unlikely for Joran Van Der Sloot: Mother's Declarations Won't Likely Help


Published June 22, 2010 by:
Sheila Chase

Joran van der Sloot's mother, Anita van der Sloot claims that her son is not mentally well. She says that Joran went to Peru to avoid a "high security section of a psychiatric hospital," according to CNN. Even so, CNN reports that medical authorities declare that Joran can "perceive and evaluate reality." So, what does this mean for Joran van der Sloot? Well, it certainly means that authorities are taking every precaution to secure the conviction of a sane young man, but it also means that an insanity plea would not be a wise move for Joran van der Sloot. What evidence does Joran' mother, Anita van der Sloot, really base her medical conclusion on? Was a psychiatric facility treating Joran van der Sloot as an outpatient? What warranted a "high security section" of a psychiatric facility? Even more, why would a psychiatric facility allow such a patient to leave if he needed to be in "high security"?

What about Anita van der Sloot just now telling this information? Is she telling this now just to help out her son? Why did she not tell it before to help keep others safe from her son's mental state? If, in fact, this is true that Joran went to Peru to avoid such "high security" circumstances, why did Anita van der Sloot not contact (Peruvian or Aruban) authorities? Did she not know that a person who is in need of high security psychiatric care could be harmful to self or others? Does Anita van der Sloot see that she could hold some responsibility in this situation if she's telling the truth about her son's mental fitness? According to CNN, she says that Joran suffered psychological distress because he blamed himself for his father's death. Isn't this shifting the blame, a bit?



Anita needs to keep her stories straight.  She says one time that Joran went to avoid the phychiatric hospital.
Then she said that he was lured to Peru by the undercover FBI agent.

I guess if you are a Van der Sloot, one lie is as good as the next.

I am so glad that Beth went with Peter DeVries to Peru to try to contridict some of the lies.

It would be interesting to me to know who Anita blamed when Joran almost killed one of her other sons (Sebastian, I think but I'm not sure). 

Who's fault was that?

She's known for a long time what her oldest was capable of, she and Paulus only fueled that fire by not setting any boundaries for him; and being too proud to get him any real help.  We've all seen what resources they've come up with when they need to.  Those island guru sex counselors are not what he needed.  They just didn't want the stigma of acknowledging their "sporter" was a psychopath! 

She can lie all she wants but if she needs to find anyone else to blame for Joran's crimes, she need not look any further than a mirror.

She KNEW!  And all she's done since is LIE.

Sickening!   

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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Justice for Natalee,
and Stephany!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #615 on: October 19, 2010, 12:46:38 AM »

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5700.0
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« Reply #616 on: October 19, 2010, 01:16:25 AM »

urine a psychopath?
Of course anitass knew....knew about paulass and the pimps too.....just fun and games for the elite dutch on aruba....
anitass knew before she left the NL to return after urine's phone call.....
paulass is in hell for eternity.... Monkey Devil!
urine is in hell's waiting room in Castro Castro..... Monkey Devil!
COME ON DOWN...anitass......you're next.... Monkey Devil!
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« Reply #617 on: October 19, 2010, 01:20:28 AM »

urine a psychopath?
Of course anitass knew....knew about paulass and the pimps too.....just fun and games for the elite dutch on aruba....
anitass knew before she left the NL to return after urine's phone call.....
paulass is in hell for eternity.... Monkey Devil!
urine is in hell's waiting room in Castro Castro..... Monkey Devil!
COME ON DOWN...anitass......you're next.... Monkey Devil!
It's just my opinion but,I think ol' Anita is quite the orchestrator!

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« Reply #618 on: October 19, 2010, 01:39:32 AM »

Keepthefaith...
Good to see you 2....
Justice for Natalee and Stephany is just around the corner....
At the end of the day....whether anitass and the coverup crew and american traders believe or not....Their Justice is coming too.....Just around the corner......
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« Reply #619 on: October 19, 2010, 01:49:46 AM »

I have a feeling,there are many a people,who don't sleep well at night.Considering that the TRUTH WILL PREVAIL!TickTock...One dot @ a time!
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