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« Reply #540 on: October 16, 2010, 09:38:30 PM »

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4913&offId=0

police owing to captura ladronnan during madruga at tanki leendert, owing to detene one choller female y one choller americano

saturday madruga owing to come into informe by cu have ladronnan is hortando at one cas at tanki leendert, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at caminda for her sitio owing to make a note one pickup sospechoso y owing to bay pare. at instant cu owing to pare 3 sospechoso owing to try huy but police owing to succeed captura 2 by they, one is one choller female y the another is one choller americano. come across




This American Chollar resembles Joran's buddy John Ludwick  




It does. The eyes are right, wish I could see his ears.

I still say it looks like him.  Same facial structure and everything.  Just looks like he lost a little weight and his hair has grown:

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23103-polis-ta-persigui-y-gara-ladronnan-di-frigidaire-den-hato.html

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« Reply #541 on: October 16, 2010, 10:18:25 PM »

Food for Thought

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #708 12/28
« Reply #848 on: December 30, 2007, 07:50:41 PM »

 
This may be an old subject, and if it is please forgive me.

What would you do if you were Beth and a body in a crab trap is found?

Turn it over to the Aruban authorities?

Turn it over to the FBI?

Closure vs Risk of magically turning blood into chocolate

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2481.msg323171#msg323171

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« Reply #542 on: October 16, 2010, 10:32:17 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79710.php

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Research on internal organization Aruba House

October 16, 2010, 15:39 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY THE HAGUE - The leaking of an account by a member of the House Aruba is not an isolated incident. "It's already happened at least four times that internal documents come out. We're doing an internal investigation in order to clarify this, "said House director Desiree Croes Aruba from the Netherlands.

Croes emphasizes that it is confidential. "We have no secret documents and we find that the disclosure of documents must also be allowed. But it is not intended that documents with sensitive content, such as contracts or minutes of meetings, should be placed on the street. This is utterly evil. "Aruban media reported earlier this week that two employees at the Aruba House has taken disciplinary action. This was basically a forwarding account to the media about renting the house from the trustee Minister Edwin Abath (AVP).
According to the director of Aruba House is the leakage of documents have been many. "The first time, I assumed that it was a mistake. But then it happened again, I knew that something had to be based. It looks like some people have bad intentions. "She greatly regrets this. "You think you all want to go the same direction and it is painful to note that this is not the case." Abath said earlier this week even though in slightly different words. "We are working hard and still have much to do. Aruba House does a lot of good things for Aruba in the Netherlands and let us not break our own internal organization. "

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The Aruba House is an internal investigation launched, says Croes. "The Trustee Ministry has commissioned the research. We want to know who leaked the documents and understand the causes. We are not so much the content of the documents, but for the fact that some people here think that they are in this manner work may go. "Abath let himself outraged at the fact that people employed by the Aruban government do something like that. "It is unacceptable. We want to know if the person or persons who have or have done this systematically and with premeditation did or that something else is based. "

The lease document that recently came out was by one employee to another and given to the press arrived. According to Croes is the employee who took away the paper for two weeks suspended. "Until the investigation is taking place, this employee again just after the suspension to work. Only when the investigation is completed, we can say what will happen with this person. "The other employee denies being involved. This person came with a warning from it.

Croes Aruba House regrets that these incidents negatively in the news, while the organization just so hard and going strong. She wants, as long as the investigation, there is not much to say. "What more is there to say. Internally, a number of things wrong. We try to solve. In addition, there are things said that are not right. This would Abath and I met the light in the eyes award. That is not true. The whole process is the atmosphere in Aruba House not for the good that is true. It is tedious work, but I'm sure it is solved. "
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #543 on: October 16, 2010, 10:37:39 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79705.php

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ARUBA

Acquittal, light punishments follow Domino Case

October 16, 2010, 15:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The Court of First Instance yesterday treated four cases of money laundering were connected to the Domino Case.

The court rulings came immediately. NS businessman was acquitted for lack of evidence, while bank employees GS and OC each messenger to three months probation were convicted of laundering drug money for Mansur and Luis Mercado Ochoa. The handling of the case of fourth suspect, BB customs official, was requested by attorney Edwin Duijn Field resistance. In anticipation of some witnesses.

Luis Mansur is in jail since 2008, along with his accomplice Mercado Ochoa. He gave many years led to an extensive criminal network that bulk drugs to Aruba and other countries in the region, smuggled and trafficked. Called Domino Case was controversial when it appeared that Justice during its investigation of eavesdropping devices, something that until now illegal.

BB, NS, and GS OC, according to the Public Ministry in the period between May 1, 2005 and September 24, 2007 several tons of U.S. dollars have been laundered for convicted drug traffickers and Mercado Ochoa Luis Mansur. According to the prosecutor were they all complicit.

The requirement was for each five months probation.

NS businessman Florin exchanged for U.S. dollars for Mercado Ochoa.

It would, he was a total of $ 150,000 have changed. S. Ochoa was, however, expect a trader in wood. The court ultimately deemed not sufficiently demonstrated that S. and let the accused was guilty Fri

However, the court considered evidence that bank employee GS knew what he did when he was a total of $ 326,000 had been changed by OC was brought to the bank. That money was then transferred to an account in Venezuela. During treatment, HS, gave money to have exchanged and transferred to Mansur. He would have sold U.S. dollars to exchange at a rate which he would make a profit. S. said not to have known that this money came from drug trafficking. OEC in turn admitted that in addition to his work as a messenger casino bijkluste for Mansur.

BB customs kept the tight lipped. The judge read out the report against him that Mercado 'Rafa' Ochoa VdB regular appointment with Well Well restaurant to give him money for safekeeping. Upon his arrest, police found more than 100 000 florins, stored in his bedroom. Counselor Edwin Duijn Field asked for a postponement because he wanted to bring forward some witnesses.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #544 on: October 16, 2010, 11:20:23 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_79619.php

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ORANGE CITY - In its opinion on the bill PDO which justice and police greater investigative resources have said the Advisory Council (RvA) that a "thorough review" of these resources to the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR) necessary is.

The proposed extension of the investigative procedures will be "substantially in nature", says the Council.

The Council considers it "incomprehensible" that the Attorney-General (PG) of Aruba (and also the PG of the former West Indies) already come with a directive to declare all these methods, so that the justice and police have deployed be. This has already happened in 2008 and then the methods are already employed, as previously published by this newspaper. RvA thinks this is too far and even contrary to both the ECHR and the Aruban constitution.

In advice to the Government of the Council even more critical, especially about the impact that the expansion of investigative powers to affect 'others'. This example, provided the family or relatives of those who consider justice. This family or family members (initially) not suspected of a crime, but the research does get involved, so there is a breach of their privacy. Article 8 paragraph 1 and paragraph 2 of the Convention stipulates that this is done with care and the citizen should be able to determine its behavior when applying the detection methods. The Board questions whether here in the bill sufficiently taken into account. Lies in the fact that only the investigative methods used by others may be in the interest of the investigation. RvA is that this will create "a very wide discretion to the prosecutor that is created hardly be further standardized. In other words, that the description in the "interest of the investigation" is too vague.

Third parties may in the current bill is almost not figure out whether they are monitored, wiretapped or other investigative methods used against them, says the Council. Also they can not count on the information during criminal investigations to be collected will be destroyed. It is just the opposite, in the Council. "It is desirable for the government for its retention on the grounds that these might contribute to the elucidation of other offenses." The way the government wants to store the data, according to the RvA still not adequately regulated and that also applies to the destruction of the data. The Council therefore recommends that the Government should do so with an eye on the privacy of third parties and that there is a system for destroying data of suspects not prosecuted.

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‘Running ahead of BOB law incomprehensible’

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ORANJESTAD — In the advice on the BOB- enactment with which justice and police will acquire more tracking means, the Advisory Council (RvA) states that a ‘meticulous test’ of these means of the European Treaty of the Human Rights (EVRM) is necessary. The proposed expansion of the tracking means will be ‘radical’, according to the Council.

The Council therefore finds it ‘incomprehensible’ that the Attorney General (PG) of Aruba (as well as the PG of the former Antilles) already presents a guideline for these methods to be proclaimed so that these could already be implemented by justice and police. For that matter, this already happened in 2008 and the means are already implemented as reported earlier by this newspaper. Therefore, RvA finds this is going too far and is even in defiance of both the EVRM and the Aruban constitution.

The Council even expresses more criticism in their advice to the government, in particular on the possible consequences of the expansion of the tracking authorities for ‘third parties’. With this, one refers to the family or family members of those investigated by justice. These family members (in first instance) are not suspected of a crime, but are involved because of the investigation so that there’s a question of an intrusion of their private life. Article 8 part 1 and part 2 of the EVRM regulates that one is to deal with this discreetly and the citizen should be given the opportunity to determine his/her behavior with application of the tracking methods. The Council wonders whether the enactment reckons with this sufficiently. The latter namely mentions that one may only use the tracking methods with third parties in the interest of the investigation. However, RvA finds that this ‘creates a very liberal authority for the officer of justice that is hardly further regulated’. In other words, the description ‘in the interest of the investigation’ is too vague.

In the current enactment, third parties can hardly find out if they are being prosecuted, wiretapped or if other means are being used against them, says the Council. Nor can they count on the fact that the data collected during the criminal investigation will be destroyed. It is actually the opposite, according to the Council. “The government finds it advisable to save this data because it could possibly contribute towards clarification of other criminal offences.” However, the manner in which the government saves this data is still not regulated sufficiently and this applies to the obliteration of this data, according to the RvA. The Council therefore argues the government still arranges this with regard to privacy of third parties, and provides for a regulation to obliterate data of suspects who are not being prosecuted.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #545 on: October 17, 2010, 12:55:21 PM »

Texasmom - what do you think about that American Chollar, could it be Ludwick?  We know Ludwick is a couple cans shy of a sixpack. 
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« Reply #546 on: October 17, 2010, 01:28:37 PM »

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=4913&offId=0

police owing to captura ladronnan during madruga at tanki leendert, owing to detene one choller female y one choller americano

saturday madruga owing to come into informe by cu have ladronnan is hortando at one cas at tanki leendert, at once owing to dirigi one patrol at the sitio. at caminda for her sitio owing to make a note one pickup sospechoso y owing to bay pare. at instant cu owing to pare 3 sospechoso owing to try huy but police owing to succeed captura 2 by they, one is one choller female y the another is one choller americano. come across




This American Chollar resembles Joran's buddy John Ludwick  




It does. The eyes are right, wish I could see his ears.

I still say it looks like him.  Same facial structure and everything.  Just looks like he lost a little weight and his hair has grown:

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23103-polis-ta-persigui-y-gara-ladronnan-di-frigidaire-den-hato.html



One of the comments on 24ora about this...and it's in English!   

http://www.24ora.com/policial-mainmenu-8/23103-polis-ta-persigui-y-gara-ladronnan-di-frigidaire-den-hato.html

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Scirbi pa vladimir, October 17, 2010   
I really dont understand ! How could we have a american living in Aruba Choller walking the streets!!!!! Send his ass back!!!now! Colombian Choler send her ass back!!!!! what is the government waiting for ! your no good to society why are they still walking the streets of Aruba?????

Interesting, that article says there were "THREE" people in the truck with the stolen refrigerator in it, but they only arrested two.  The truck has a phone number on it, and another design that I can't quite make out.  Maybe the truck belonged to the third person?  I don't see where they say the truck was stolen.  I think it also says that they've had other complaints about the American choller....

police is persigui y grab ladronnan by frigidaire in hato

saturday, 16 october 2010 20:43

accion by police behind one call owing to laydown cu they owing to grab thief by frigidaire. the caso self owing to sosode at tanki leendert. police owing to attain call cu have thief hortando in one cas. the donjo by the cas self is in exterior. at once unidad by police owing to arrive y others also owing to cuminsa throw view before one nissan pickup color ash a-53641. in the area by tanki flip police owing to encounter cu the car y owing to cuminsa one persecusion. was have three person in the car. two man y one muher. near by hato owing to succeed stop the pickup but the chofer owing to descend core. the another dosnan not owing to attain the chens. police owing to go over at detene both y busca for her by three. not owing to attain the by three. the dosnan deteni was one muher colombiana casa at aruba y is semi choller come to anend very time. also one conocido choller mericano was in the car. in the baki still the frigidaire steal was. the pickup does not owing to start before nothing by world. esey not owing to stroba police because they self owing to coy cabuya before tow y tow the pickup bring keep. two week happen same muher colombiana here was in another persecusion by joyriding cu owing to termina at ponton. the day here past owing to go pound but the trip here if her number owing to play together cu the mericano choller cu also police have enough complaint on dje. the by three sospechoso they does not say is that the is.









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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #547 on: October 17, 2010, 01:39:00 PM »

Texasmom - what do you think about that American Chollar, could it be Ludwick?  We know Ludwick is a couple cans shy of a sixpack. 

Yes, I think it could very well be him!  If it is him, how has he been able to stay in Aruba for so long?  And I agree with the comment from 24ora...why is he still there with other complaints against him!  Maybe he was one of those that paid off an immigration official so they don't have records on him?  Maybe that's one of the things that clued ALE into the payoffs at immigration that arrests are being made for since Joran's arrest in Peru?  After all, he was on television talking about his buddy Joran and their living together in Aruba...maybe somebody started looking into his arrival date...planned departure date... and didn't find any record of him! 

There was another article about all that immigration pay off stuff very recently that I think I posted.  There's no telling how many are on that island that aren't there legally and can stay indefinitely!
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #548 on: October 17, 2010, 01:43:19 PM »

I just noticed the one on the hood of the truck, I'll see if I can make it readable!   
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« Reply #549 on: October 17, 2010, 01:51:48 PM »

Mi Bunita Jardin

I think that may say...My beautiful yard

So maybe it's a yard care service of some kind.

Spanish translation:  Bunite my yard

Papiamentu translation:  my beautiful jardin
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« Reply #550 on: October 17, 2010, 02:10:46 PM »

http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Van-der-Sloot-true-story-book/zMY1TGGVkU2Kc8LMCiU6pA.cspx

Van der Sloot "true story" book

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Birmingham, Al  (WIAT)  Probably no one knows the "true story" of Joran van der Sloot, including van der Sloot, but a pair of Dutch crime reporters are coming out with a book that promises just that about the accused murderer of Stephany Flores and the prime suspect in the disappearance of Mountain Brook teen Natalee Holloway.

Joran's Murder Mysteries promises "The complete story about the true role of Joran van der Sloot in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway and the killing of Stephany Flores."

The book, due out October 19, was co-written by Bert Huisjes and John van den Heuvel, the reporter who recently interviewed van der Sloot in his Castro Castro prison cell in Lima, Peru. That interview which appeared in De Telegraaf as well as on Dutch television contained little about the Natalee Holloway case beyond van der Sloot's admission that he scammed Natalee's family out of $25,000.

"I wanted to get back at Natalee's family - her parents have been making my life tough for five years," the paper quoted him as saying from prison in Peru. "When they offered to pay for the girl's location, I thought: 'Why not'?"

Since the cell block interview by van den Heuvel, van der Sloot got a surprise visit by Natalee Holloway's mother Beth who snuck into his prison as part of another Dutch TV crew.

He's also been accused of trying to by drugs from a prison guard.....allegations that his Peruvian lawyer is demanding prison officials investigate as a set up.

And his still waits a decision on his attempt to get his murder confession thrown out on technical irregularities.  He confessed to killing 21 year old student Stephany Flores after she found material relating to Natalee Holloway on his laptop.  Flores' body was found in van der Sloot's Lima hotel room five years to the day of Natalee's disappearance on a graduation trip to Aruba.  She was last seen with van der Sloot. 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #551 on: October 17, 2010, 03:20:00 PM »

A Few Weeks!!

Beth Holloway working with Dutch reporter on daughter Natalee Holloway's disappearance, spokeswoman confirms (with videos)
Published: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:15 PM
Updated: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:56 PM


Beth Holloway is working on a project with a Dutch television crew, but was not arrested in Peru, contrary to widespread reports, her spokeswoman said today.

"She was not arrested or detained and nothing was taken from her," said Sunny Tillman. "Beth is working with Peter de Vries on a special report. Peter can provide further comment on the content of that report." 

Tillman declined to say further what happened in Peru, but did say Holloway remains out of the United States. The TV report will appear in a few weeks.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/09/post_595.html

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« Reply #552 on: October 17, 2010, 03:24:46 PM »

SHE HASN'T GONE AWAY

Beth Holloway working with Dutch reporter on daughter Natalee Holloway's disappearance, spokeswoman confirms (with videos)
Published: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:15 PM
Updated: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:56 PM


Holloway's lawyer told NBC's "Today" that she entered Castro Castro prison where van der Sloot is being held in the murder of a Peruvian woman "without violating any laws or breaking any regulations" and spoke with the inmate.

Attorney John Q. Kelly said Holloway didn't expect to get answers about Natalee's disappearance but wanted van der Sloot to know "she hasn't gone away."
 
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« Reply #553 on: October 17, 2010, 03:29:43 PM »

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8111.msg1160265#msg1160265

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He's not listed as an agent anymore on their website.  Not surprised at all.

http://realestateinaruba.com/index.php?option=com_hotproperty&view=company&id=1

This agent now has the same mobile number that John Ludwick did have.  

http://realestateinaruba.com/index.php?option=com_hotproperty&view=agent&id=2



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« Reply #554 on: October 17, 2010, 05:22:14 PM »

John Ludwick on Nancy Grace

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2cCaBMzrvA
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NANCY GRACE
Van Der Sloot Confession Transcript Released
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JOHN LUDWICK, FRIEND OF JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: Hi. How`re you doing?

NANCY GRACE, HOST: I`m great. But I`m concerned about Joran Van Der Sloot`s confession. It does not sound truthful to me. Tell me, how do you know Joran Van Der Sloot?

LUDWICK: I met him in Aruba a few months back, when he came back for his father`s memorial towards the end of February.

GRACE: Yes.

LUDWICK: Yes.

GRACE: How much time -- did you spend a fair bit of time with him?

LUDWICK: Yes. Just about every day for about three-and-a-half months, I was with him, so...

GRACE: Did you know that he was a suspect in the death of American girl Natalee Holloway?

LUDWICK: Yes. That`s how I recognized him when we first met and we started hanging out.

GRACE: May I ask what attracted you to a potential murderer?

LUDWICK: Well, he was never proven guilty, so I wouldn`t call him that, maybe a suspect. But I mean, he seemed like...

GRACE: OK. I`ll use your phrasing. May I ask you what attracted you to a murder suspect?

LUDWICK: I mean, he seemed like he`d be a cool guy and he ended up being -- what the media makes him out to be is far from the truth. He`s a good friend and...

GRACE: Elizabeth, please put Mr. Ludwick up. OK. What were you saying, dear?

LUDWICK: I said what the media portrays him as is far from the truth. He`s a good person and a good friend. And he`s not the serial killer sociopath, psychopath you guys -- the media makes him out to be.

GRACE: OK, Mr. Ludwick, I have in my hand his confession verbatim. And it says, "I hit her in the face on the nose. There was blood everywhere. I think she started to faint. It affected me so that I grabbed her from the neck and strangled her for a moment."

Blood was everywhere. Is that the good guy that you`re referring to that`s been misportrayed in the media, that then takes the girl`s clothes off after she`s dead and breaks her neck?

LUDWICK: I`m basing it on the Joran I knew, and that`s not the Joran I know. I can`t speak for what happened that night, but the Joran I know is a good person.

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GRACE: We are taking your calls live. With us is a special guest, John Ludwick is a friend of Joran Van Der Sloot. He`s joining us from Washington, D.C. tonight.

Mr. Ludwick, are you from the states?

MR. LUDWICK, FRIEND OF MURDER SUSPECT, JORAN VAN DER SLOOT: Yes, I`m from Alexandria, Virginia.

GRACE: And do your parents know of your friendship with Joran Van Der Sloot?

LUDWICK: Yes, they do.

GRACE: And what do they think of it?

LUDWICK: I mean, they have mixed opinions. But, I mean, he`s my friend and it`s my choice.

GRACE: Right. When you say mixed opinions, what do you mean by that?

LUDWICK: Because of the past alleged incident. I mean --

GRACE: Please put Mr. Ludwick up.

Mr. Ludwick, he`s confessed to breaking somebody`s neck -- a girl`s neck -- and then taking her clothes off after she is dead. And then it says, I used the comforter and the sheets to clean up all the blood from the floor. I only cleaned the floor. He left the rest of the room just bloody.

You know another can of worms. Here is an e-mail exchange between you and Joran Van Der Sloot where he says, happy birthday, I hope you had a good day. This is May 29.

And remember how important family and friends are. By the way, can you send me some money through Western Union tomorrow? Remember that?

LUDWICK: Yes, I do.

GRACE: Did you send him money?

LUDWICK: No, I didn`t. He had told me -- that was the evening of May 29th and I guess the alleged event happened later -- a few hours later into the 30th. But he told me he needed money to get back to Aruba. So, I mean, before I had a chance to help him out, I couldn`t get ahold of him. And then the news said what it said.

GRACE: Sir, it`s not just the news said what it said. The news is not like a being walking around this studio that just spouts things off. The news is what he did and said. It`s just not -- didn`t fall from the sky and hit you on the head.

This is what Joran Van Der Sloot said. But, sir, obviously, you`re going to choose to believe what you want to believe. What, if anything, did he tell you about Natalee Holloway?

LUDWICK: We only had one main discussion on it. And it was an evening that we watched the Natalee Holloway movie on TV. And he just told me parts of the movie that were true and parts that weren`t true. And that`s about at length as I want to get into it.

GRACE: Did you ask him more things?

LUDWICK: No, I didn`t bring it up. He talked to me about it. But I`m not -- I don`t want to get into any more of that.

GRACE: You mean, you don`t want to tell me more about it, right? Or you didn`t want to get into more of it with him?

LUDWICK: No, I don`t want to bring that up at this time.

GRACE: Well, I would advise you to get ready for a subpoena to find out in a court of law what he had to say about Natalee Holloway`s death.

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GRACE: To you, Mr. Ludwick, what kind of things would you do together?

LUDWICK: Mainly we went to the casino and he liked to play poker. I just watched or played slots. But he really -- I`d say he had a gambling addiction. But he`d play poker almost every night.

GRACE: Did he ever mention where he got the money? Did he ever mention he was in the middle of a shakedown on the dead girl`s mother for $250,000 to name where the dead girl`s body is?

LUDWICK: I know he had money because he ran a coffee shop in Thailand. So he had some money saved for that. But after a while, his money started running low. And that`s when I guess the contact happened with that.

GRACE: What contact?

LUDWICK: That`s when I guess he tried to contact John Kelly or Beth Holloway and that stuff happened when he ran out -- started running out of money.

GRACE: Mr. Ludwick, why do you say he tried to contact them? What he tried to do was extort $250,000 in exchange for the location of Natalee`s body. It would seem to me that you would be concerned that he knew where a dead body was? If you knew where a dead body was, Mr. Ludwick, wouldn`t you tell police?

LUDWICK: Not if it compromised me, maybe not.

GRACE: Well, OK, obviously -- I learned, I think, in kindergarten two plus two equals four. But if Van Der Sloot won`t tell where the body is because it compromises him, that means he`s involved in the murder.

Did that not bother you during all the months you were out at casinos with him?

LUDWICK: I mean I was never in fear for my safety, I mean.

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« Reply #556 on: October 17, 2010, 05:42:33 PM »

The Confession!!  What is taking that fourth Peruvian judge so long to make a ruling?  My hinky meter is on red.

I just read the Nancy Grace transcript of the confession.  If this guy walks ... it is only a matter of time before another Stephany ... another Natalee ...

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« Reply #557 on: October 17, 2010, 05:59:03 PM »

The Confession!!  What is taking that fourth Peruvian judge so long to make a ruling?  My hinky meter is on red.

I just read the Nancy Grace transcript of the confession.  If this guy walks ... it is only a matter of time before another Stephany ... another Natalee ...

Janet

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Even if the confession is thrown out, I don't think Joran will walk.  A confession is not necessary to keep Joran in prison nor is it necessary to convict him.  From what I've read, there is evidence to connect him with the crime. 
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« Reply #558 on: October 17, 2010, 06:22:27 PM »

The Confession!!  What is taking that fourth Peruvian judge so long to make a ruling?  My hinky meter is on red.

I just read the Nancy Grace transcript of the confession.  If this guy walks ... it is only a matter of time before another Stephany ... another Natalee ...

Janet

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Even if the confession is thrown out, I don't think Joran will walk.  A confession is not necessary to keep Joran in prison nor is it necessary to convict him.  From what I've read, there is evidence to connect him with the crime. 

I agree MuffeeBee.

However ... considering the roller coaster we have all been on for almost 5 1/2 years in anticipation of justice for Natalee Holloway ... I will continue to hold my breath until a Peruvian judge declares Joran van der Sloot "GUILTY AS CHARGED!"

Janet

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- September 1 Helen calls to say the court is asking for DNA from the Kalpoes and Joran van der Sloot and that their attorneys are fighting this.  She also says the suspects are pointing the finger at one another.

Page 183 - Helen is very positive. "It looks good that they will remain in custody." she says.  Then about three hours after she tells me this encouraging news, a devastating call comes from an AP reporter.

"Paulus van der Sloot and his attorney are bragging to everyone that all three suspects are getting out day after tomorrow!

Then all the media start calling.  I call Helen, then FBI agent Bill and the U.S. vice-consul.  None of them have this information.  So we tell the media it must be a rumor.  But the word is out all over the island to the defense side that all three suspects will walk.

Four and a half hours after this announcement is made to international media by Joran's father and his defense team, the FBI calls to tell me it is indeed true.  So the three suspects who were last seen with my daughter, and who offered multiple versions of what happened that night, will go free.  And we are the last ones to find out.

Natalee's handwriting on her immigration card states that the duration of her stay here would be four nights.  It has been ninety-five.  And I have painstakingly counted every one of them.

When Helen calls, I stand in a corner of the hotel room, phone to my ear, tapping my head against the wall over and over.  Tears fall hard.  "I'm done, Helen.  I'm done.  No justice for Natalee in Aruba.  I'm done."

Pages 184 - And Bill explains how the release of the three suspects happened.  "The information the FBI was given was that the judge gave Joran thirty more days, up to October 1.  And he gave the Kalpoes eight more days.  But then the judge flew back from Curacao and faxed a reverse decision from there."  The reverse decision decreed that all three will go free.

The opportunity to hide behind Hurricane Katrina is too inviting.  The three suspects will be released while all eyes are turned to the devastation in New Orlean.

Page 185 - The last announcement I make on television is never seen.  Hurricane Katrina gives the island the cloak of cover it needs to let the suspects walk free and relieve itself of its media burden.
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« Reply #559 on: October 17, 2010, 06:52:20 PM »

Janet, understand your thoughts/feelings about holding your breath until Joran is pronounced "Guilty as Charged".  But I think Joran didn't have quite as much help as he did in Natalee's case.  There was no one to clean up the room and help dispose of Stephany's body, nor erase surveillance tapes.  He murdered the daughter of a prominent Peruvian in her own country and I think that will carry weight.  But I know better than to count my chickens before they're hatched.        I'm hoping justice will prevail for Stephany and Natalee.  

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