Natalee Case Discussion #849 10/7/10 - 10/24/10

[texasmom]

Crucial mistakes made in Natalee Holloway disappearance

2Stem now! A shocking secret report by Jan van der Straten and Police Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen makes painfully clear how many errors there is the crucial first days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have been made.

Joran van der Sloot by Peter R. Ferris tonight at 21:30 by SBS6 ..

http://www.nujij.nl/cruciale-fouten-gemaakt-in-verdwijningszaak.10103931.lynkx

If I'm reading that right, Peter R. DeVries is going to have something on SBS6 tonight!  But I haven't found any other advertisement for it yet.
 

Longer version of the same article above, but I don't see the part about Peter R. DeVries in it.

http://www.brekend-nieuws.nl/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=468:cruciale-fouten-gemaakt-in-verdwijningszaak-natalee-holloway&catid=12:boeken&Itemid=22

Google translation:

Crucial mistakes made in Natalee Holloway disappearance
Books

Monday, October 18, 2010 3:54 p.m.   

This article has been read 104 times

In presenting his book Joran's murder mysteries, along with fellow crime reporter Bert Cottages written, does John van den Heuvel accurately in the book explains what, according to them all went wrong in the investigation of the Aruban police after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

A shocking secret report by Jan van der Straten and Police Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen makes painfully clear how many errors there is the crucial first days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have been made. The piece is also the dubious role of the then Minister of Justice of Aruba, Rudy Croes, to light.
 
It is amazing how these politicians a private war with police van der Straten considered more important than a proper investigation into Natalee Holloway. He would be retroactive to be punished, writes John van den Heuvel in The Guardian today. Also revealing is a confidential report of the psychiatrist HAE van Gaalen Aruba, Joran that in the months before the murder Stephany Flores examined in detail. The report by Van Gaal was very alarming and showed that Joran van der Sloot at that time was a kind of walking time bomb.
 
Gaal urgently advised a forced admission to a psychiatric clinic and spoke several times over with Joran mother. Due to the warning report scheduled Anita van der Sloot is indeed a record for her son in the Netherlands. At that time, Joran in Aruba have been secretly monitored by agents of the FBI, through intercepted phone could also listen how suddenly one 'Garcia' along. This big unknown at that time knew Joran labile to Peru to attract. Without him an obstacle in their path was laid, the mentally ill Van der Sloot flew to Lima, where he later met Stephany in the casino. He killed her under the eyes of the FBI?
 
"Joran murder mysteries" is in bookstores tomorrow.
 
Currently trapped in Peru Joran van der Sloot is still a suspect in the Holloway case.

[Tamikosmom]

Joe Tacopina may think that Anita van der Sloot is a "wonderful" mother.  Peter Devries may think that Anita van der Sloot is a "good" mother.  However ... Tamikosmom thinks otherwise.  I believe with all my heart that the death of Stephany would never have happened if Anita and Paulus through a misguided sense of love had not abetted the cover up within the Aruban investigation ... the cover up that shielded their son from personal accountability in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Think about it.  Joran was seventeen years old ... a minor. The legal consequences would have been minimal.  However ... this young man would have received professional help and his decent into H--- may have been prevented.  Maybe today a young lady by the name of Stephany would be pursuing her dreams and ... another family would not have been living an ongoing nightmare that dictates embracing their loved one in this lifetime will never again happen. 

Janet

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Anita - A Victim?

 
 

Jo-An
Re: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT MURDERS AGAIN?
 « Reply #265 on: June 19, 2010, 09:34:10 AM »

Interview with Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

The actual interview:

Target

Anita: I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.msg1164835#msg1164835


Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

[Tamikosmom]

Crucial mistakes made in Natalee Holloway disappearance

2Stem now! A shocking secret report by Jan van der Straten and Police Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen makes painfully clear how many errors there is the crucial first days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have been made.

Joran van der Sloot by Peter R. Ferris tonight at 21:30 by SBS6 ..

http://www.nujij.nl/cruciale-fouten-gemaakt-in-verdwijningszaak.10103931.lynkx

 

Thanks Northern Rose


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A Few Weeks!!

Beth Holloway working with Dutch reporter on daughter Natalee Holloway's disappearance, spokeswoman confirms (with videos)
Published: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:15 PM
Updated: Friday, September 17, 2010, 1:56 PM

Beth Holloway is working on a project with a Dutch television crew, but was not arrested in Peru, contrary to widespread reports, her spokeswoman said today.

"She was not arrested or detained and nothing was taken from her," said Sunny Tillman. "Beth is working with Peter de Vries on a special report. Peter can provide further comment on the content of that report." 

Tillman declined to say further what happened in Peru, but did say Holloway remains out of the United States. The TV report will appear in a few weeks.

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/09/post_595.html

All Dutch to me.

 

Janet

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Joran van der Sloot zometeen opnieuw bij Peter R. de Vries om 21.30 uur bij SBS6.
www.mediacourant.nl

Uit een onthullende reportage blijkt dat de verdachte in de zaak Natalee Holloway vergevorderde plannen heeft om Thaise vrouwen in Nederlandse seksclubs te laten werken.

Zie ook:
http://www.peterrdevries.nl/


http://www.nujij.nl/joran-van-der-sloot-zometeen-opnieuw-bij-peter-r.4002091.lynkx

[klaasend]

I received a very nice email from a non member who wanted to share some information we may not have.  It was about two separate subjects so I'll post in two posts. 

First on the Kalpoes attorneys in Chicago, William Cremer:

Hello,
Not being a regular poster (just a guest) I hope that the info is useful to the monkeys.
The firm handling the case for Deepak and Satish has deep roots in hotel liability cases.
 
From their website the following:
Bill Cremer attended FERMA symposium in Prague
Bill Cremer was invited to attend the FERMA symposium in Prague in October. FERMA is the Federation of European Risk Managers Associations. Peter den Dekker the risk manager of Stork, a Dutch multinational corporation and a longtime Cremer Spina client, was elected President of FERMA. Congratulations Peter!
 
Bill Cremer Featured Speaker In Mexico City
Bill Cremer will be the featured speaker at a presentation given to international brokers Marsh Mexico and their hotel customers on methods to reduce exposure to U.S. claims and lawsuits. The presentation will take place in Mexico City on March 3, 2010.

[klaasend]

2nd part of the email information pertains to PVDS and his visit to Miami in 2005:

Regards Miami purveyers of pornography, and a possible reason for Paulus's visit to Miami:  The following information regards "Webe web" occurred this year:  The owners of Webe web Marc Evan Greenberg and Jeff Libman who ran a "children's" modeling website and also hosted a hardcore pornography website were indicted and were/are awaiting sentencing for possession of child erotica.
 
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/corporation-pleads-guilty-to-transportation-production-of-child-pornography

I found this most interesting and plan on researching any possible ties to Aruba when I have time later tonight 

[texasmom]

Thank you very much to our guest that sent the information to Klaas!   

Thank you Klaas for posting it!   

Very interesting IMO!   

[Keepthefaith]

Thank You Klaas!

[Magnolia]

I believe that Marc Evan Greenberg connects back to Mr. Pink in Miami. iirc

[texasmom]

I believe that Marc Evan Greenberg connects back to Mr. Pink in Miami. iirc

That name seemed familiar to me too.   

[texasmom]

I believe that Marc Evan Greenberg connects back to Mr. Pink in Miami. iirc

That name seemed familiar to me too.   

Probably because Mala Greenberg is his wife now, or the last I checked anyway.

[Magnolia]

I believe that Marc Evan Greenberg connects back to Mr. Pink in Miami. iirc

That name seemed familiar to me too.   

Probably because Mala Greenberg is his wife now, or the last I checked anyway.

Somebody...maybe Carpe...did a lot of research on this.  I think that Mala and Marc Evan are siblings.
I think it goes back to the Bang Bus or Back Seat one of those other similiar names they use.

[Tamikosmom]

Crucial mistakes made in Natalee Holloway disappearance

2Stem now! A shocking secret report by Jan van der Straten and Police Chief Prosecutor Karin Janssen makes painfully clear how many errors there is the crucial first days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway have been made.

Joran van der Sloot by Peter R. Ferris tonight at 21:30 by SBS6 ..

http://www.nujij.nl/cruciale-fouten-gemaakt-in-verdwijningszaak.10103931.lynkx

Has there been any confirmation regarding a Peter Devries report tonight on the Natalee Holloway case?

Thanks

Janet

[can]

2nd part of the email information pertains to PVDS and his visit to Miami in 2005:

Regards Miami purveyers of pornography, and a possible reason for Paulus's visit to Miami:  The following information regards "Webe web" occurred this year:  The owners of Webe web Marc Evan Greenberg and Jeff Libman who ran a "children's" modeling website and also hosted a hardcore pornography website were indicted and were/are awaiting sentencing for possession of child erotica.
 
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/corporation-pleads-guilty-to-transportation-production-of-child-pornography

I found this most interesting and plan on researching any possible ties to Aruba when I have time later tonight 

Thanks Klaas!  Thanks also to your "informant".

[can]

I believe that Marc Evan Greenberg connects back to Mr. Pink in Miami. iirc

That name seemed familiar to me too.   

Probably because Mala Greenberg is his wife now, or the last I checked anyway.

Somebody...maybe Carpe...did a lot of research on this.  I think that Mala and Marc Evan are siblings.
I think it goes back to the Bang Bus or Back Seat one of those other similiar names they use.

What a wonderful memory you have Magnolia - a great asset to SM!
 

[can]

Joe Tacopina may think that Anita van der Sloot is a "wonderful" mother.  Peter Devries may think that Anita van der Sloot is a "good" mother.  However ... Tamikosmom thinks otherwise.  I believe with all my heart that the death of Stephany would never have happened if Anita and Paulus through a misguided sense of love had not abetted the cover up within the Aruban investigation ... the cover up that shielded their son from personal accountability in the happenings encompassing the disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

Think about it.  Joran was seventeen years old ... a minor. The legal consequences would have been minimal.  However ... this young man would have received professional help and his decent into H--- may have been prevented.  Maybe today a young lady by the name of Stephany would be pursuing her dreams and ... another family would not have been living an ongoing nightmare that dictates embracing their loved one in this lifetime will never again happen. 

Janet

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Anita - A Victim?

 
 

Jo-An
Re: JORAN VAN DER SLOOT MURDERS AGAIN?
 « Reply #265 on: June 19, 2010, 09:34:10 AM »

Interview with Anita van der Sloot - De Telegraaf - June 19th 2010

The actual interview:

Target

Anita: I now believe that Joran might have done something to Stephany in Peru. Maybe an act of rage? I don't know. I'm very saddened that that businessman Flores lost his daughter, and I my son. That's the way it feels like."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8032.msg1164835#msg1164835


Transcript: Van der Sloots Speak
Thursday, June 23, 2005

ANITA VAN DER SLOOT, MOTHER OF DUTCH SUSPECT: It's extremely tough. He's in custody now for 13, 14 days, I think. I have lost count. And I love my child. I believe in him 200 percent. And it's just like a big nightmare. We don't know how to deal with it because you can't deal with it. We think about the family a lot because their life is a nightmare but our life is a nightmare, too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,160471,00.html

But, but, your son is still alive Anita!  For a little while anyway!. . .

[Tamikosmom]

2nd part of the email information pertains to PVDS and his visit to Miami in 2005:

Regards Miami purveyers of pornography, and a possible reason for Paulus's visit to Miami:  The following information regards "Webe web" occurred this year:  The owners of Webe web Marc Evan Greenberg and Jeff Libman who ran a "children's" modeling website and also hosted a hardcore pornography website were indicted and were/are awaiting sentencing for possession of child erotica.
 
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/corporation-pleads-guilty-to-transportation-production-of-child-pornography

I found this most interesting and plan on researching any possible ties to Aruba when I have time later tonight 

Klaas

It appears that this was a topic of discussion back in June, 2008.

Janet

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End of Thread 759
Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 - 6/22
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2938.0
 

Beginning of Thread 760
Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22 - 6/26/08
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2951.0

[Northern Rose]

2nd part of the email information pertains to PVDS and his visit to Miami in 2005:

Regards Miami purveyers of pornography, and a possible reason for Paulus's visit to Miami:  The following information regards "Webe web" occurred this year:  The owners of Webe web Marc Evan Greenberg and Jeff Libman who ran a "children's" modeling website and also hosted a hardcore pornography website were indicted and were/are awaiting sentencing for possession of child erotica.
 
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/corporation-pleads-guilty-to-transportation-production-of-child-pornography

I found this most interesting and plan on researching any possible ties to Aruba when I have time later tonight 

Thank you Klaas and Guest!

Florida Webe Web Corporation, President Plead Guilty to Child Pornography Charges


Webe Web Corporation, a Florida corporation and the registered owner of several websites, pleaded guilty yesterday to one count of conspiracy to produce child pornography and 16 counts of transporting child pornography, announced Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer of the Criminal Division and U.S. Attorney Joyce White Vance of the Northern District of Alabama. Marc Evan Greenberg, 45, of Fort Lauderdale, Fla ., and the president and director of Webe Web, also pleaded guilty yesterday to one count of money laundering.

Webe Web Corporation and Greenberg pleaded guilty before U.S. District Court Judge C. Lynwood Smith in the Northern District of Alabama.

According to court documents, Webe Web was the registered owner of the website “www.childsupermodels.com,” which purported to be a child modeling website that promoted models 7 through 16 years old and their photographers. It contained hyperlinks to websites containing photographs of individual “child super models” featuring minor female children in various poses and wardrobes.

Greenberg and Webe Web admitted that the websites pertaining to 16 different children contained illegal images of child pornography. In some of the photos, the victims, all girls aged 8 to 15, were wearing underwear, lingerie, bathing suits and other revealing outfits, and were posed in positions that constituted child pornography.

According to court documents, viewers of the websites could preview a certain number of images for free on the website homepage. If viewers wanted to join the website to access additional photographs, they could purchase a 30-day membership for approximately $30 per month. Greenberg and Webe Web admitted that the websites depicting the 16 victims generated approximately $1 million in revenue.

Webe Web also admitted that it promoted subscriptions to these individual sites through its free advertising website known as Babble Club. On Babble Club’s website, members could receive a free sample of images of the children. According to court documents, the website encouraged the purchase of subscriptions to the individual websites of the children, and hosted discussion boards and groups which were devoted to each individual website. Babble Club members made postings to the discussion boards, which included comments on specific images they liked, the type of clothing and poses they liked, and poetry written to the photographed child. Certain members posted expressions of fondness and devotion for a photographed child.

According to court documents, the photographs of the 16 victims in this case were taken by Jeff Pierson, a former photographer based in the Birmingham, Alabama area. Pierson pleaded guilty in January 2007 to conspiracy to transport child pornography and transportation of child pornography.

Co-defendant Jeffrey Robert Libman, the vice president and director of Webe Web, was charged in an October 2006 indictment with conspiracy to produce child pornography and transportation of child pornography. These charges against Libman are pending and he is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

According to its plea agreement, Webe Web will forfeit $1 million and 19 Internet domain names. Sentencing for Greenberg and Webe Web is scheduled for Aug. 19, 2010. At sentencing, Greenberg will face up to 10 years in prison.

This case is being prosecuted by Assistant U.S. Attorneys Jim Phillips and Daniel J. Fortune of the Northern District of Alabama, Assistant Deputy Chief Alexandra Gelber of the Criminal Division’s Child Exploitation and Obscenity Section (CEOS), and Assistant U.S. Attorney Elizabeth Yusi, a former CEOS Trial Attorney.

This case was investigated by the FBI and the U.S. Postal Inspection Service. The Document and Media Exploitation Branch of the National Drug Intelligence Center provided assistance in ascertaining the revenue flow of this criminal enterprise to support analysis of and to identify the ill-gotten gains of the defendants.

http://7thspace.com/headlines/342505/florida_webe_web_corporation_president_plead_guilty_to_child_pornography_charges.html

[2NJSons_Mom]

2nd part of the email information pertains to PVDS and his visit to Miami in 2005:

Regards Miami purveyers of pornography, and a possible reason for Paulus's visit to Miami:  The following information regards "Webe web" occurred this year:  The owners of Webe web Marc Evan Greenberg and Jeff Libman who ran a "children's" modeling website and also hosted a hardcore pornography website were indicted and were/are awaiting sentencing for possession of child erotica.
 
http://www.examiner.com/law-enforcement-in-national/corporation-pleads-guilty-to-transportation-production-of-child-pornography

I found this most interesting and plan on researching any possible ties to Aruba when I have time later tonight 

Klaas

It appears that this was a topic of discussion back in June, 2008.

Janet

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End of Thread 759
Natalee Case Discussion #759 6/18 - 6/22
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2938.0
 

Beginning of Thread 760
Natalee Case Discussion #760 6/22 - 6/26/08
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2951.0

Is it the same company?  I'm not so sure.   

[texasmom]

http://www.rnw.nl/caribiana/article/smeuige-details-jorans-moordmysteries

Google translation:



Juicy details "Joran Murder Mysteries"

Published: October 15, 2010 - 4:33 pm | by Anneke Polak    (Photo: House of Knowledge)

Read more about:    Book Joran van der Sloot John van den Heuvel Joran van der Sloot

He has been on almost every continent impossible: the Dutch Joran van der Sloot. In Aruba, he is suspect in the case of the missing American Natalee Holloway. In America they want to prosecute him for extortion of the parents of Natalee. In Thailand, he would have acted in women and Peru hopes Van der Sloot to condemn the murder of Stephanie Flores.

Reason for a book, thought crime reporter John van den Heuvel. Ever since the disappearance case in Aruba in 2005, Van den Heuvel mesmerized by this young man. His book "Joran Murder Mysteries" will not resolve the murder cases, but gives away salient details. As a previously disclosed confidential police report, but a psychiatric report on the personality of Joran.

The police report dates from 2005 and covers the first forty days after the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. Van den Heuvel calls the report "shocking." "If you look for huge mistakes have been made and how much bickering there was between the Aruban Justice Minister Rudy Croes on one side and law enforcement on the other hand, it is shocking. If things when well were arrested , as it should in a disappearance case, I think there was much suffering prevented. "

Emigration to Aruba
In April 2010, HAE van Gaalen psychiatrist with a psychiatric report on the personality of the now 23-year-old boy. It is now five years after the disappearance of Natalee and just before the murder of Stephanie Flores. Gaal the personality attributes primarily to the emigration of Joran at an early age from the Netherlands to Aruba. Therefore he had to abandon his beloved grandmother, who remained behind in the Netherlands, and he felt only between the Papiamento-speaking children with whom he in kindergarten Sat

Gaal predicts that if it all goes wrong in the short term, no significant steps are taken. And the psychiatrist was right, for less than a month later, Joran suspected of the murder of the Peruvian Stephanie Flores. The Book of the crime reporter, the literal statement of Joran, who after his arrest in Chile confesses the murder. "... I reacted impulsively by it with my right elbow to give a blow, just like her nose. There was blood everywhere. She seemed half unconscious. I was so angry that I had with both hands grabbed her throat and strangled her , one minute long. ... "

Two faces
Joran's since been stuck in the Castro Castro prison in Lima, Peru. Van den Heuvel met him there. It's a boy with two faces, he says. "Somewhere there's a guy that you just chat. It is not a conventional unfeeling villain. He is an appropriate story, but he can also suddenly its role scope and a mask. In some stages of his life he not control themselves, quite logically, in a sense, dangerous. "

Yet it seems a condemnation of Joran not one hundred percent sure. According to Van den Heuvel is not required at each line of questioning. He would have had no certified interpreter, there were words in his mouth and he's made to be deceived with the promise to Aruba to be extradited if he would sign. Van den Heuvel put his question in the functioning of the Peruvian police. "There was a tremendous will to get him behind bars and the case of Stephanie Flores problems. There is not always acted with. And then to say the least."

Mess
The same was true in 2005, in Aruba. "In the beginning they had a bit more scoring drive should have, for the first 48 hours are crucial. There are crucial mistakes. Afterwards an incompetent Minister of Justice it interfered, and it was a big mess. Other words I have not ", the crime reporter. To date, the disappearance of Natalee in Aruba case remain unresolved. In the case in Peru, Stephanie van den Heuvel not sure that he proposed 30 years in prison will get. Van den Heuvel: "Maybe it later signed a deal with the prosecution in Peru."

The book "Joran Murder Mysteries" by John van den Heuvel is in bookstores October 19.

Crime Reporter John van den Heuvel talks to Anneke Polak

[texasmom]

http://www.myfoxboston.com/dpps/news/new-van-der-sloot-book-promises-answers-dpgonc-20101018-jst_10162940

New Van der Sloot Book Promises Answers

Updated: Monday, 18 Oct 2010, 10:10 AM EDT
Published : Monday, 18 Oct 2010, 10:10 AM EDT

NewsCore -- The authors of a new book about Joran van der Sloot promise to tell the "complete story" of his role in the murders of American teen Natalee Holloway and Peruvian young woman Stephany Flores.

"Joran's Murder Mysteries," due out Tuesday, was co-authored by Dutch crime reporters Bert Huisjes and John van den Heuvel and contains information gleaned from "secret research files and confidential medical documents," according to a statement from the publishers.

The book will also contain photos from inside Lima's Castro Castro prison, where Natalee Holloway's mother, Beth, snuck in to confront van der Sloot in September.

Van den Heuvel, who writes for Dutch newspaper De Telegraaf, has repeatedly broken stories about van der Sloot and recently did an interview with him in which he confessed to trying to scam Holloway's family for $25,000.

The 204-page book aims to answer several questions, according to the publisher, House of Knowledge.

"Where is Natalee? Is Joran a dangerous psychopath or a wild animal hunted by the media? Why was Stephany Flores killed exactly five years after the disappearance of Natalee?," House of Knowledge wrote in the official announcement of the book.

Van der Sloot is awaiting trial in Peru for his alleged murder of Stephany Flores in his casino hotel room. He initially confessed to the grisly murder but later retracted his statement, saying he had been forced into it by harsh interrogation.

He has long been the chief suspect in the disappearance of Alabama teenager Natalee Holloway on the vacation island of Aruba in 2005.

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This is from the House of Knowledge 2009 Catalog:  Yep, Renee Gielen's CROCKUMENTARY

Remember....No one else would touch it with a ten foot pole....

http://www.houseofknowledge.nl/media/LR%20Int%20sales%20Catalogue%202009.pdf