Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #32 10/02/10 - 10/07/10

[fatcatlurker]

If the abatement is granted TH stands a chance at a fair trial if she is ever indicted. 

If there is no evidence against her...she stands a fair chance either way, IMO.

No evidence and/or only circumstantial evidence and this woman who has been drug thru the mud....easy peesy but that's JMO.

[neighbor]

Thank you, neighbor, for your posts. They have cleared a lot of questions.

Welcome to the cage, neighbor. I see you have made yourself at home, and we are delighted to have you here.

*sends a truckload of bananas and a case of whiskey to neighbor*
 

thx for the single malt, I will share the bananas

[Puzzler]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/terri_horman_willing_to_agree.html


Terri Horman willing to agree to immediate divorce, with delay in settling custody to avoid self-incrimination

 

I think that's bad reporting and that headline is misleading.

How so, Puzzler?

Thanks for the link, btw.

IMO it's misleading because it infers she's guilty of something, when what her attorneys are trying to do is defend her right to a fair trial, which she can't get at this point because the state won't give Terri's attorneys information they need...state says you can't have information because it's part of an ongoing criminal investigation.  That's the way I see it.

[novella]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html


Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1, back to Dec 26th.  But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."  Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something".  He also said Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias).


Is this something new to anyone besides me?  Had this come up in any of the Scared Monkey research?

I don't know about any other monkeys, but it's new information to me.

new to me, too

[Puzzler]

KATUNewsDan Tilkin reports that Mike Cook tells him court papers are wrong, that he did not have sex with Terri Horman, just exchngd "sexting" msgs.

http://twitter.com/KATUNews

[fatcatlurker]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html


Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1, back to Dec 26th.  But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."  Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something".  He also said Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias).


Is this something new to anyone besides me?  Had this come up in any of the Scared Monkey research?

I'm confused about the phone records part...not sure how LE could stop her from getting her records unless she is a named suspect? 

Where oh where is a legal eagle when we need one! 

[Kokos Cat]

Wow!  Puzzler, this is great digging!  Thanks for the info....
 

Hmm.... I hadn't heard that... I was surprised long ago by the name because I thought I had put together that it was someone else... this is a VERY INTERESTING development!
 
OK, I'm ready to make a prediction now:
I think this is the "discovery" her attorney's were talking about. The state is not allowing her to present her "full discovery" of her case because it is part of an "ongoing investigation" and they won't release the 911 calls, etc.  So, IMO, they haven't named her as a person of interest, but they also won't relinquish that info, so it's obvious THEY DO consider her a POI (or want to!)

Prediction:

IMO, based on the above, the judge will grant the abatement.  CUSTODY hearing will be postponed, though.  And, the restraining order will be amended to allow visitation.  IMO.

 

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html


Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1, back to Dec 26th.  But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."  Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something".  He also said Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias).


Is this something new to anyone besides me?  Had this come up in any of the Scared Monkey research?

I don't know about any other monkeys, but it's new information to me.

[fatcatlurker]

KATUNewsDan Tilkin reports that Mike Cook tells him court papers are wrong, that he did not have sex with Terri Horman, just exchngd "sexting" msgs.

http://twitter.com/KATUNews

 

couldn't resist!

[Kokos Cat]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/terri_horman_willing_to_agree.html


Terri Horman willing to agree to immediate divorce, with delay in settling custody to avoid self-incrimination

 

I think that's bad reporting and that headline is misleading.

How so, Puzzler?

Thanks for the link, btw.

IMO it's misleading because it infers she's guilty of something, when what her attorneys are trying to do is defend her right to a fair trial, which she can't get at this point because the state won't give Terri's attorneys information they need...state says you can't have information because it's part of an ongoing criminal investigation.  That's the way I see it.

OH!  Yes, I get it.  And, I have to agree with you.  I noticed that last night while reading archives by the same author.  No sign of an "alleged" anywhere in her reporting!

Thanks, Puzzler.  Again, very astute. 

 

 

[Puzzler]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html


Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1, back to Dec 26th.  But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."  Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something".  He also said Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias).


Is this something new to anyone besides me?  Had this come up in any of the Scared Monkey research?

I'm confused about the phone records part...not sure how LE could stop her from getting her records unless she is a named suspect? 

Where oh where is a legal eagle when we need one! 

FCL...you're okay...I just think you may be getting the civil case and the criminal case entwined.  The civil case wants phone records for some reason and in a norman divorce they would get the; however, this is not normal...there is a criminal investigation going on, too.  The state has the phone records as part of the criminal investigation.  Because Terri is not in court on criminal charges, the state will NOT give the phone records to Terri's attorney for the divorce case.  It's complicated.  LE considers the phone records part of the criminal investigation and they are not going to give them up.

[Kokos Cat]

Yep.  I think so too, Puzzler.
911 calls are normally a matter of public record, I believe.
Butt!  This is farrrr from normal. 
 

[Puzzler]

KATUNewsDan Tilkin reports that Mike Cook tells him court papers are wrong, that he did not have sex with Terri Horman, just exchngd "sexting" msgs.

http://twitter.com/KATUNews

 

couldn't resist!

Why are those court papers incorrect???

[Itaryl Moosee]

Kokos - I think you did a good job of explaining the complexity here. TY.

It also means that since the state is not releasing to Terri's lawyers the 911 tape relating to the murder for hire sting, which could be beneficial to Terri, that there is no full disclosure in the divorce because they cannot present to the court all existing evidence they deem necessary to defend their client.

I agree with that part.

I cannot see a case in court bringing up a MFH plot, and the respondent not being able to present evidence which can be benefitial to counter the claim.

Either give her the tapes, or drop that claim from the docket.

I would be wary of giving Terri custody, even if supervised. IF what is said about her of calling the MFH plot, and her reported conduct over the Kyron disappearance, then she cannot be trusted around her daughter.

IMO

[Kokos Cat]

LE doesn't have to give anything up, whether it's public record or not, if it's going to interfere with an ongoing criminal investigation.

 

[fatcatlurker]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html


Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1, back to Dec 26th.  But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."  Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something".  He also said Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias).


Is this something new to anyone besides me?  Had this come up in any of the Scared Monkey research?

I'm confused about the phone records part...not sure how LE could stop her from getting her records unless she is a named suspect? 

Where oh where is a legal eagle when we need one! 

FCL...you're okay...I just think you may be getting the civil case and the criminal case entwined.  The civil case wants phone records for some reason and in a norman divorce they would get the; however, this is not normal...there is a criminal investigation going on, too.  The state has the phone records as part of the criminal investigation.  Because Terri is not in court on criminal charges, the state will NOT give the phone records to Terri's attorney for the divorce case.  It's complicated.  LE considers the phone records part of the criminal investigation and they are not going to give them up.

Puzzler I get it - I'm just not sure why she would need them for her divorce case?  A divorce that she and her attorney's are more than happy to settle on today???  Go figure. 

[no rose colored glasses]

KATUNewsDan Tilkin reports that Mike Cook tells him court papers are wrong, that he did not have sex with Terri Horman, just exchngd "sexting" msgs.

http://twitter.com/KATUNews

 

couldn't resist!

Why are those court papers incorrect???

Dumb question, sexting messages, can that mean no revealing pictures, just provocative words?

[Puzzler]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html


Peter Bunch said he's asked for Terri Horman calls to 9-1-1, back to Dec 26th.  But was denied by Sheriff's office saying it's part of "ongoing Investigation." He's tried to serve the landscaper, Rudy Sanchez with subpoena for deposition, but prosecutors wouldn't give him contact information because of the "ongoing investigation."  Bunch said Terri called 911 when Sanchez showed up at her house wired "trying to talk to about something".  He also said Rudy Sanchez is an AKA (alias).


Is this something new to anyone besides me?  Had this come up in any of the Scared Monkey research?

I'm confused about the phone records part...not sure how LE could stop her from getting her records unless she is a named suspect? 

Where oh where is a legal eagle when we need one! 

FCL...you're okay...I just think you may be getting the civil case and the criminal case entwined.  The civil case wants phone records for some reason and in a norman divorce they would get the; however, this is not normal...there is a criminal investigation going on, too.  The state has the phone records as part of the criminal investigation.  Because Terri is not in court on criminal charges, the state will NOT give the phone records to Terri's attorney for the divorce case.  It's complicated.  LE considers the phone records part of the criminal investigation and they are not going to give them up.

Puzzler I get it - I'm just not sure why she would need them for her divorce case?  A divorce that she and her attorney's are more than happy to settle on today???  Go figure. 

Because she's willing to get the divorce over - but NOT the settlement or the custody.

Divorce only.  Postpone custody and settlement portions.

Does that help?

[fatcatlurker]

KATUNewsDan Tilkin reports that Mike Cook tells him court papers are wrong, that he did not have sex with Terri Horman, just exchngd "sexting" msgs.

http://twitter.com/KATUNews

 

couldn't resist!

Why are those court papers incorrect???

Dumb question, sexting messages, can that mean no revealing pictures, just provocative words?

I think he's referring to the RO - it infers "Sex" took place not just sexting.  JMO after reading it.

[Kokos Cat]

Kokos - I think you did a good job of explaining the complexity here. TY.

It also means that since the state is not releasing to Terri's lawyers the 911 tape relating to the murder for hire sting, which could be beneficial to Terri, that there is no full disclosure in the divorce because they cannot present to the court all existing evidence they deem necessary to defend their client.

I agree with that part.

I cannot see a case in court bringing up a MFH plot, and the respondent not being able to present evidence which can be benefitial to counter the claim.

Either give her the tapes, or drop that claim from the docket.

I would be wary of giving Terri custody, even if supervised. IF what is said about her of calling the MFH plot, and her reported conduct over the Kyron disappearance, then she cannot be trusted around her daughter.

IMO

Awww, thanks IM, sweet of you to say. 

Yep, I have to agree.  They can't have it both ways.  Use it or lose it.   

QUESTION:  I feel stupid/uniformed even asking this but:  So... KH's team was going to present the MFH plot?  This makes sense to use against her regarding visitation/custody (or whatever)? 

TIA!
 

[Puzzler]

According to Cook, court papers are wrong; he did not have sex with Terri. 

Why would court papers be wrong?  Everyone, including the public knew it was only sexting.

Manipulation?