Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #33 10/07/10 - 10/17/10

[Tracygirl]

Aren't they 2 different things Brandi? They can grant the abatement at the same time as granting visitation?

[Kokos Cat]

She'll get it (visitation).  I'd bet my last bunch of bananas on that.  EVERYONE gets visitation.  Which is why I never filed for divorce!  Wasn't going there...

OJ GOT THE KIDS for God's sake.  (Of course, he was "innocent".)  But still, m just sayin'.

In Oregon it's been very popular, in the past 10 years or so, for the court to indicate that ANY parent is better than none at all (or 1 good one).  It just doesn't matter.

The kids slip through the cracks in our system.  They are not protected!!!  It's disgusting.

I'm not saying Terri is guilty.  I'm just saying I've seen it over and over again in the real world here in Oregon.  THAT is what is criminal, IMO.  Not protecting the children.

Unless Kaine has a guardian ad litem up his sleeve, Terri will get to see Kitty regularly.  (And, possibly even unsupervised) 

Sorry!  Don't kill the messenger.  This is all JMO. 

Again, I'm not saying she done it. 

If it were up to me I wouldn't allow her within 100 miles of Kiara. 

Yep.  But that's the law.  The judge has to do it.  I'm pretty sure.  I'll be shocked if she doesn't get it ASAP.

[klaasend]

She'll get it (visitation).  I'd bet my last bunch of bananas on that.  EVERYONE gets visitation.  Which is why I never filed for divorce!  Wasn't going there...

OJ GOT THE KIDS for God's sake.  (Of course, he was "innocent".)  But still, m just sayin'.

In Oregon it's been very popular, in the past 10 years or so, for the court to indicate that ANY parent is better than none at all (or 1 good one).  It just doesn't matter.

The kids slip through the cracks in our system.  They are not protected!!!  It's disgusting.

I'm not saying Terri is guilty.  I'm just saying I've seen it over and over again in the real world here in Oregon.  THAT is what is criminal, IMO.  Not protecting the children.

Unless Kaine has a guardian ad litem up his sleeve, Terri will get to see Kitty regularly.  (And, possibly even unsupervised) 

Sorry!  Don't kill the messenger.  This is all JMO. 

Again, I'm not saying she done it. 

If it were up to me I wouldn't allow her within 100 miles of Kiara. 

Yep.  But that's the law.  The judge has to do it.  I'm pretty sure.  I'll be shocked if she doesn't get it ASAP.

Except we don't know what evidence police have given Kaine and or the judge. 

[klaasend]

Aren't they 2 different things Brandi? They can grant the abatement at the same time as granting visitation?

I'm sure we'll find out shortly.

[Kokos Cat]

Sounds to me that Jan 6 they will file for CUSTODY.

Today, probably right now, her divorce atty is undoubtedly asking the judge to amend the RO so that Terri gets visitation.

Standard procedure.  And, he already said today that if she was granted abatement, he would request that. 

I think we'll know shortly.... shouldn't take until 5 p.m., but it could I guess.

 

[seemeatthebeach]

Terri has not done anything in the best interest of Kyron.

What would make anyone think she would do what's in Kiara's best interest.....JMO

[Kokos Cat]

Unless Kaine has Kiara in protective custody or he has a guardian ad litem for her (to represent Kiara) she is not protected!!!!

I'm not sure what he's done.... because she is a minor, it's hard to tell...

[klaasend]

Kiara is all Terri has left to hurt Kaine.  I wouldn't allow Terri within 100 miles of Kiara.

[Tracygirl]

Got to go..I don't think I will be back until tomorrow! I pray that God puts his hand on this and guides everyone to do the right thing.

Kyron where are you?

[Kokos Cat]

Kiara is all Terri has left to hurt Kaine.  I wouldn't allow Terri within 100 miles of Kiara.

The judge has to uphold the law.  I know, I've been in this terrible situation myself.  Actually, I never let it get this far.  I didn't file for divorce because I knew what decision the judge would make, based on past cases here in Oregon.

If Kaine hadn't filed for divorce, he wouldn't be in this situation.  I'm sorry to say this, but it's true.  It's a disaster and it happens everyday to countless people.

[klaasend]

http://www.katu.com/news/local/104507829.html

 

The hearing has ended. KATU will have more on this story at 4 p.m.

2:10: Judge's Reasoning: Proceeding would comprise Terri's 5th Amendment rights: “Some of these issues… may have changed significantly by then. The burden on Mr. Horman, while not insignificant, that’s still within the 8 months we normally try these cases.”

1:50: Judge delays ruling on the Horman divorce until January 6th.
1:45 p.m. Judge: “The court recognizes Mr. Horman finds himself in middle of any parent’s nightmare, any human’s worst nightmare, and that is true by just the fact than his son has disappeared, but to add to that worst nightmare is that police came to him in June and informed him they had probable cause, that in their view it was more likely than not that Ms. Horman was likely involved in Kyron’s disappearance and she had hired someone to kill him.”

 

[klaasend]

If there was a visitation decision made, I didn't see it. 

[seemeatthebeach]

If there was a visitation decision made, I didn't see it. 

Nope, doesn't look like there will any custody changes until January.

Probably the only good news he's received in months.

[Kokos Cat]

Sorry Monkeys, just read this:

 

SLTrlsn That is BULL***T!! RT @Fox12Oregon 'Terri Horman requested to receive Parenting Time w daughter Kiara.' http://bit.ly/aoacqq * #KyronHorman   8 minutes ago via ÜberTwitterfrom Oregon, US

[Claycat]

Poor Kaine!  I know he's sorry he ever brought this woman into Kyron's life.

[Kokos Cat]

Don't know when he'll make the decision on this... but am thinking that this is why they were expecting to go until 5 p.m. today.

[Kokos Cat]

Custody and visitation are two different things, apparently.
Custody is for the long-term.  Visitation would start immediately if the Judge upholds the request to change the RO.

[Brandi]

If there was a visitation decision made, I didn't see it. 

Me neither.

I think that all will be dealt with on Jan. 6.

[klaasend]

http://www.koinlocal6.com/content/news/topstories/story/Divorce-proceeding-will-be-abated-until-Jan-6/GonG6-VnTkmaYBikdxxq7Q.cspx


Divorce proceeding will be abated until Jan. 6, judge rules

Published: 6:31 am
Last Update: 2:21 pm

Arguments were made in a Multnomah County courtroom about the divorce between Kaine Horman and Terri Horman, the father and stepmother of missing Kyron.

Terri's attorney wanted the divorce abated, so she wouldn't incriminate herself in any ongoing criminal investigation, her attorneys argued.

Kaine, through his lawyer Laura Rackner, wanted the issue to move forward in a routine way.

Judge Keith Meisenheimer ruled that divorce proceedings will be held until Jan. 6 of 2011.

"Eventually, Terri will have to decide whether or not to plead the fifth, regardless of the timing of the proceedings," Meisenheimer reasoned.

In the mean time, Peter Bunch, Terri's divorce lawyer, said he will petition to modify the custody of the estranged couple's young child, Kiara.

Terri has not seen the child since late June when she moved to her parents' house in Roseburg.

[klaasend]

You mean they didn't petition the court prior?  They just wanted to make sure the courts didn't have more damning information so they wanted to wait until after they received the Abatement?