Kyron Horman, 7 years old PORTLAND, OR #33 10/07/10 - 10/17/10

[Puzzler]

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/terri_moulton_horman_seeks_reg_1.html

Published: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 6:20 PM     Updated: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 6:23 PM


Terri Moulton Horman seeks regular visits with her daughter Kiara

Terri Moulton Horman is seeking regular and frequent contact with her 22-month-old daughter Kiara, who she hasn't seen since her husband left the home with the girl on June 26 and two days later filed for a restraining order and divorce.

In a motion filed in Multnomah County Circuit Court this week, Terri Horman's attorney Peter Bunch argues that his client is the primary caregiver for Kiara. He says he'll offer expert testimony about the importance of Kiara's well being of maintaining a relationship with his mother.

Terri Horman "is not in a position at this time to testify on her own behalf in support of an award of custody and parenting time," her lawyer said, because of the ongoing criminal investigation into 7-year-old Kyron Horman's disappearance.

Kyron Horman, Terri Horman's stepson, has been missing for more than four months. He was last seen June 4 at Skyline School. His stepmom took him to school that morning for a science fair. He never made it to his classroom, but was not reported missing until he didn't arrive home by bus that afternoon.

While authorities have not named a suspect, investigators have intently focused on Terri Horman, the last person to have seen Kyron before he disappeared.

On June 26, Kyron's father, Kaine Horman, was informed by investigators they had learned that his wife late last year allegedly had approached a landscaper to kill her husband for money. That prompted Kaine Horman to remove Kiara from their Northwest Sheltered Nook Road house and move out immediately. Two days later, he filed for a restraining order against his wife, preventing her from any parenting time with her daughter.

Kaine Horman has since returned to the home, ordering his estranged wife out.

Bunch said that Kaine Horman has refused, despite repeated requests, to let Terri Horman see her daughter under any circumstances.

Yet, after the most recent court hearing in which a judge granted a 90-day delay in the divorce proceedings, Kaine Horman appears to be at least open to considering the idea of supervised parenting time for his estranged wife, the court documents say.

Bunch said he would also provide an expert who would testify that there are number of safety provisions the court could impose "to address any concerns that either the court or petitioner has as to Kiara's emotional and physical well being."

Yet, if Kaine Horman insists on having someone professionally supervise his estranged wife's visits with her daughter, he should pay because Terri Horman is not employed and has no income or significant assets, Bunch argues.

Multnomah County Judge Keith Meisenheimer last week delayed divorce proceedings until Jan. 6. At last week's hearing, Bunch told the judge he'd be filing this motion to modify the restraining order, allowing for his client's visitation with her daughter. He also said he'd be seeking an expedited hearing on the matter.

FCL - TY - very interesting...

[monchichi]

Here is an interesting read:

http://www.katu.com/news/104981184.html

click on Staton's "business plan" for more info...

[monchichi]

Here is an interesting read:

http://www.katu.com/news/104981184.html

click on Staton's "business plan" for more info...

Here is a snippet from the "business plan"

Assessment:
Assessment review will be completed prior to February 1, 2011. This review will include a written report from the Investigations Lieutenant which will address performance “outcome” measures and review of the “Kyron Horman Case Update Reports” as well as a financial report.
At the end of the 120 day operational period, recommendations will be made regarding the continued use of this task force.
Currently the Task Force is working on 25 major tasks which have been identified and prioritized; all tasks are subject to change based on the needs of the investigation

I find it interesting they are working on 25 major tasks!  And no wonder Kaine said to be patient, they are giving the task force 120 days to work on the case.

[Puzzler]

Here is an interesting read:

http://www.katu.com/news/104981184.html

click on Staton's "business plan" for more info...

Here is a snippet from the "business plan"

Assessment:
Assessment review will be completed prior to February 1, 2011. This review will include a written report from the Investigations Lieutenant which will address performance “outcome” measures and review of the “Kyron Horman Case Update Reports” as well as a financial report.
At the end of the 120 day operational period, recommendations will be made regarding the continued use of this task force.
Currently the Task Force is working on 25 major tasks which have been identified and prioritized; all tasks are subject to change based on the needs of the investigation

I find it interesting they are working on 25 major tasks!  And no wonder Kaine said to be patient, they are giving the task force 120 days to work on the case.

Do you know if the 25 major tasks are all related to the Kyron case only?

[monchichi]

Here is an interesting read:

http://www.katu.com/news/104981184.html

click on Staton's "business plan" for more info...

Here is a snippet from the "business plan"

Assessment:
Assessment review will be completed prior to February 1, 2011. This review will include a written report from the Investigations Lieutenant which will address performance “outcome” measures and review of the “Kyron Horman Case Update Reports” as well as a financial report.
At the end of the 120 day operational period, recommendations will be made regarding the continued use of this task force.
Currently the Task Force is working on 25 major tasks which have been identified and prioritized; all tasks are subject to change based on the needs of the investigation

I find it interesting they are working on 25 major tasks!  And no wonder Kaine said to be patient, they are giving the task force 120 days to work on the case.

Do you know if the 25 major tasks are all related to the Kyron case only?

I think so.  My understanding is that the task force was formed to work on this case specifically.  I could be wrong though...

[cw618]

wonder if getting more funds has anything to due with the Assessment review

http://www.kptv.com/news/25393364/detail.html

Sheriff Gets More Money For Kyron Horman Case
POSTED: 12:33 pm PDT October 14, 2010
UPDATED: 1:01 pm PDT October 14, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Multnomah County Commissioners have given the sheriff’s office $209,000 towards the search for Kyron Horman.

Four and a half months after the boy was last seen, Sheriff Dan Staton said his office needs the money for overtime in the case.

Staton said the department will pay for one lead investigator, two detectives and the salary of a one-year investigative tech assigned to the criminal investigation, as well as many other aspects of the case.

Kyron was last seen June 4 at Skyline School in northwest Portland. Kyron's biological parents have suggested that his stepmother, Terri Horman, is involved in his disappearance, but deputies never named her a suspect or person of interest.

[strawberry thunder]

wonder if getting more funds has anything to due with the Assessment review

http://www.kptv.com/news/25393364/detail.html

Sheriff Gets More Money For Kyron Horman Case
POSTED: 12:33 pm PDT October 14, 2010
UPDATED: 1:01 pm PDT October 14, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Multnomah County Commissioners have given the sheriff’s office $209,000 towards the search for Kyron Horman.

Four and a half months after the boy was last seen, Sheriff Dan Staton said his office needs the money for overtime in the case.

Staton said the department will pay for one lead investigator, two detectives and the salary of a one-year investigative tech assigned to the criminal investigation, as well as many other aspects of the case.

Kyron was last seen June 4 at Skyline School in northwest Portland. Kyron's biological parents have suggested that his stepmother, Terri Horman, is involved in his disappearance, but deputies never named her a suspect or person of interest.

BBM

Thanks for posting this article.

A one year investigative tech? I thought, per and earlier article, that this case was expected to be wrapped up by the end of January. What would be the need for the a one year investigative tech?

And, I thought that the reason for the Kyron Horman Fund was for continued efforts to locate this precious child. So, why then, aren't these funds being used in this investigation? IMO, they could be used to get TES out there, put up more billboards or give to the sheriff's office to defer some of the cost.

Now, before banana's start flying my way, I do not think Desiree or Kaine has any involvement in this crime. I do, however, question the way they're handling things now. For Desiree to get on national t.v. and blast Terri's parents to raise the reward to 350k was just tacky. If they're not going to use that money to further the investigation, then they should use it to raise the reward, since she obviously thinks it would make that much of a difference.

[Puzzler]

Bunch files motion for Terri to see Kiara
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/terri_moulton_horman_seeks_reg_1.html


Motion:
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/bunchmodify.pdf

[Puzzler]

wonder if getting more funds has anything to due with the Assessment review

http://www.kptv.com/news/25393364/detail.html

Sheriff Gets More Money For Kyron Horman Case
POSTED: 12:33 pm PDT October 14, 2010
UPDATED: 1:01 pm PDT October 14, 2010

PORTLAND, Ore. -- Multnomah County Commissioners have given the sheriff’s office $209,000 towards the search for Kyron Horman.

Four and a half months after the boy was last seen, Sheriff Dan Staton said his office needs the money for overtime in the case.

Staton said the department will pay for one lead investigator, two detectives and the salary of a one-year investigative tech assigned to the criminal investigation, as well as many other aspects of the case.

Kyron was last seen June 4 at Skyline School in northwest Portland. Kyron's biological parents have suggested that his stepmother, Terri Horman, is involved in his disappearance, but deputies never named her a suspect or person of interest.

BBM

Thanks for posting this article.

A one year investigative tech? I thought, per and earlier article, that this case was expected to be wrapped up by the end of January. What would be the need for the a one year investigative tech?

And, I thought that the reason for the Kyron Horman Fund was for continued efforts to locate this precious child. So, why then, aren't these funds being used in this investigation? IMO, they could be used to get TES out there, put up more billboards or give to the sheriff's office to defer some of the cost.

Now, before banana's start flying my way, I do not think Desiree or Kaine has any involvement in this crime. I do, however, question the way they're handling things now. For Desiree to get on national t.v. and blast Terri's parents to raise the reward to 350k was just tacky. If they're not going to use that money to further the investigation, then they should use it to raise the reward, since she obviously thinks it would make that much of a difference.

I "think" it means the "salary" of a one-year investigative tech.  They are accounting for money here and the salary of a one-year investigative tech would be much lower that a 5-year tech, for example.

It's the "salary" they're quoting and not how long the person is going to be on the job IMO.

[seemeatthebeach]

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/15/kyron-horman-case-terri-files-motion-to-have-visitation-with-kiara/

Yesterday Peter Bunch, Terri Horman’s attorney in the Horman divorce case, filed a motion  requesting that the court modify the current order to allow Terri Horman time with her 22-month-old daughter, Kiara.  In the motion Bunch again refers to Terri’s inability to speak for herself because there’s nothing she can say that doesn’t incriminate her.  Well, he didn’t say that….but pretty much, that’s what he said.

So instead Bunch will have an expert testify that Kiara being deprived of time with her mother, which Bunch states was, up until June 28th, Kiara’s primary caregiver, is detrimental to Kiara’s well-being.  I won’t argue this point.  I think children need to be loved by both parents.  So anyway, expert testimony is how Bunch plans to circumvent the sticky situation of Terri getting on the stand and defending herself in the custody situation.  By doing this Bunch turns the situation into a presentation of what is best for Kiara, versus the terrible bad statements he made last week that pointed to nothing but what was best for Terri.

 
*SNIPPED*
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/15/kyron-horman-case-terri-files-motion-to-have-visitation-with-kiara/

[strawberry thunder]

http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/15/kyron-horman-case-terri-files-motion-to-have-visitation-with-kiara/

Yesterday Peter Bunch, Terri Horman’s attorney in the Horman divorce case, filed a motion  requesting that the court modify the current order to allow Terri Horman time with her 22-month-old daughter, Kiara.  In the motion Bunch again refers to Terri’s inability to speak for herself because there’s nothing she can say that doesn’t incriminate her.  Well, he didn’t say that….but pretty much, that’s what he said.

So instead Bunch will have an expert testify that Kiara being deprived of time with her mother, which Bunch states was, up until June 28th, Kiara’s primary caregiver, is detrimental to Kiara’s well-being.  I won’t argue this point.  I think children need to be loved by both parents.  So anyway, expert testimony is how Bunch plans to circumvent the sticky situation of Terri getting on the stand and defending herself in the custody situation.  By doing this Bunch turns the situation into a presentation of what is best for Kiara, versus the terrible bad statements he made last week that pointed to nothing but what was best for Terri.

 
*SNIPPED*
http://www.thehinkymeter.com/2010/10/15/kyron-horman-case-terri-files-motion-to-have-visitation-with-kiara/

 

I hope she is awarded at least visitation. She was both Kiara's and Kyron's primary caregiver. I can't imagine how this has affected Kiara.

[Tracygirl]

Witness: 

We know for a fact that Kyron's step mom was on Sauvie Island. Not only the cell phone, but eye witness reports that she was out here driving very fast and crazy.

 
Here is the original post from an island resident:

http://missingpersons.phpbb3now.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=46&p=381#p381

amarareign   
 Post subject: Re: Kyron HormanPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:12 am


Joined: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:30 pm
Posts: 145
Location: Sauvie Island   
We know for a fact that Kyron's step mom was on Sauvie Island. Not only the cell phone, but eye witness reports that she was out here driving very fast and crazy. There was also another vehicle with her. He drove off the road, due to the speed they were both driving. This was reported to the tip line from people who live on the island and seen this take place. It was the morning that Kyron went missing.

You guys are confusing us as to where to look. There are som many differant places in which you are all talking about..... Now we will wait and pray for someone to find him.


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concernedmama   
 Post subject: Re: Kyron HormanPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:17 am


Joined: Mon Jun 21, 2010 2:28 pm
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Oh I didn't hear that report...can you link us up?


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amarareign   
 Post subject: Re: Kyron HormanPosted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 4:27 am


Joined: Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:30 pm
Posts: 145
Location: Sauvie Island   
Its not on a report. This is a small island. Most of the people have lived out here for years. We have a small knit community on the island. People out here try to pay attention to vehicles and people. We are a tourist trap at this time of year. We have issues with theft on the farms and all sorts on nonsense. We all try to watch out for each other. In other words, people pay attention when anything is not normal. We have our own neighborhood watch as one could say. It has been reported to the proper agency. This is why we feel they have spent so much time out here. There were eye witnesses who wrote down license plate numbers.

We also hope you are right and Kyron is NOT found on the island. We had another tradgedy on the same day Kyron dissapeared. A lot of the people out here are dealing with the loss of a very good friend. If the sherriffs dept. looked somewhere else, it would possibly let our hearts heal for our neighbor and friend.

Thanks Kokos Cat,  I was just going to post 'KOKOS knows'  LOL

I guess it is like anything we read here that is not verified by a quote, that we take it as given and can Sleuth with it in mind, just not depend on it being correct, eh?

We already know Puzzler read something saying RDSQRL was not on the license plate which raises a red flag with these comments IMO.  I actually tend to believe where there is smoke there is fire in this instance.  There is so much we don't know about this 'RUMOR', but I know I read the wild driving took place on the east side of the island.  That is very interesting to me, as the last searches have been up that east road {from what I saw on the news} where the Wild Life preserve is located.  It makes one look at these comments with a bit wider eye than we normally would.  xox

So many times a "rumor" turns out to be truth. We have seen it in other cases, Amber Dubois is one. There was a rumor John Gardner had lead detectives to where Amber was buried and turned out he did do that although at the time was very difficult to believe. But how can this be true?
Terri would have had to leave the school, drive to FM, drive to Intel switch cars, drive to Sauvie Island, drive around there doing whatever, drive back to Intel switch the cars again, drive to the gym and then go home...hmmm to me that sounds like a morning jam packed. It just doesn't sound plausable to me.
But if you read the posts the person is sure it happened. Backed it up by saying there was a report to the police and everything. Of course it is thrid hand. Her friend is a neighbor to one of the witnesses, right? This is one of the points with this case that I find interesting.

[Brandi]

Bunch files motion for Terri to see Kiara
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/10/terri_moulton_horman_seeks_reg_1.html


Motion:
http://media.oregonlive.com/portland_impact/other/bunchmodify.pdf

Thanks, Puzzler!

[Desdemona]

Question - How did TH get all the stuff into the school that morning?  Kyron with jacket and backpack, science project, and Kiara?  Lots of stuff to carry and worry about. 

I'm pretty sure we know that the science project was set up before Friday morning.

She probably had Kitty in a stroller and Ky wore his jacket and backpack.

Information has been sparse concerning Kiara's presence with Terri at the school on June 4.  I'm having trouble remembering whether it has ever been mentioned that Terri had Kiara in a stroller inside the school that day... has it?

FWIW, the lady who saw Terri inside the Fred Meyer store shortly after Terri left the school said that Kiara was in Terri's arms, didn't she?  That would imply that Terri did not take a stroller into the Fred Meyer store.  Which might be considered unusual:  If the only purchase Terri intended to make was "medicine for Kitty," she would not be likely to use a big shopping cart (where Kitty could have ridden).  But it might have made sense and been most convenient in that case, to bring her in using a stroller.  I can recall very few occasions when my children were that small, that I would navigate a large store with the child in my arms. 

[Desdemona]

Since LE gave DeDe the bat phone back, it makes me think that there's nothing on it of interest to Kyron's case; otherwise LE would have kept it as "evidence for a trial".  Right?

ICBW, but I do not believe the phone itself is needed by investigators at all, once they have forensically retrieved all the information from the phone.  Returning the phone IMO in no way indicates that none of the information they retrieved from it was pertinent to their investigation.  JMO

[Desdemona]

Yes Puzzler here is where he says she got it all back;  Thanks!

RUDY!!!!!
Dede said that a reporter friend of hers told her that the name Rudy was indeed an alias, his real name is Ansalmo sanchez( not sure that is spelled right)
Rudy was in the divorce court along with MC, but neither testified.
So Rudy is accounted for but the prosecution is denying the defense access to Rudy/Ansalmo.
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That's all she wrote.

Was she implying Rodolfo “Rudy” Estrada Sanchez = Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez?

BBM -- If indeed it is true that Dede has told someone that a reporter friend informed her that Rudy's real name is Anselmo, then it might be that the "reporter friend's" information was derived from the earlier confusion that arose when Blink published a mug shot of Anselmo as part of her article about Rudy.  Many people were mixed up by that juxtaposition.  They assumed incorrectly that the mug shot picture was Rudy, and therefore "Anselmo" must be his real name or something... The man in the mug shot (Anselmo) is definitely not the person (Rudy) who was photographed outside the Grand Jury.  JMO. 

I realize that I could be totally wrong in making this assumption as to the source of the "alias" business.  If so, please, someone correct me and enlighten all of us.  What is the truth about Rudy??!

[Desdemona]

Was she implying Rodolfo “Rudy” Estrada Sanchez = Anselmo Sanchez-Sanchez?

There was a photo of Anselmo Sanchez on BOC and it's a different person (although possibly related and a coworker) from Rudy Sanchez.

LOL, ooops!  I knew I should have just kept reading!  Thanks, Scatty.  Will finish reading before posting any more.

[Desdemona]

<respectfully snipped by Desi>

And, I thought that the reason for the Kyron Horman Fund was for continued efforts to locate this precious child. So, why then, aren't these funds being used in this investigation? IMO, they could be used to get TES out there, put up more billboards or give to the sheriff's office to defer some of the cost.

Now, before banana's start flying my way, I do not think Desiree or Kaine has any involvement in this crime. I do, however, question the way they're handling things now. For Desiree to get on national t.v. and blast Terri's parents to raise the reward to 350k was just tacky. If they're not going to use that money to further the investigation, then they should use it to raise the reward, since she obviously thinks it would make that much of a difference.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion.  And respectfully, I could not disagree more with your last two paragraphs.

1. There is a Kyron Horman Fund, administered by Bank of America, and there is a Kyron Horman Foundation, which is awaiting 501(c) status approval, and was founded by Kaine.  Money dontated to the fund has not been spent and it will be up to Kaine and Desiree to decide what to do with it.  If they decide to use it to hire TES, so be it.  But for now they seem to be relying on LE, which is their right.  For all I know, they may end up needing to use this money for a funeral.  The Kyron Horman Foundation was established by Kaine, to raise money for posters, bracelets, buttons, flyers, website, etc.  They filed for 501(c) status, which takes awhile.  The foundation is a perpetual one, which will continue to operate and to raise funds after Kyron is found, to help families of other missing children in the future.
http://bringkyronhome.org/findkyron/donate.html
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2.  Desiree did not "blast Terri's parents."  In her press conference, Desiree did call upon the public to donate money to increase the reward.  Desiree was expressing her pain and sense of injustice (rightfully so IMO) that someone, anyone, would give the woman who she believes harmed her son $350,000 to protect herself from criminal investigation and prosecution, versus $50,000 (a fraction of that amount) to induce someone to tell the truth about what happened to little Kyron, a vulnerable and defenseless little boy.  How awful it must be to believe that the people who were, for all intents and purposes Kyron's grandparents, have not contacted Desiree or Kaine, have not contributed any money to the reward fund, have not assisted with fundraising or searches, but yet would somehow find a way to come up with big bucks to shield Terri from scrutiny and prosecution.  To Desiree, that must not look very fair at all, and I don't blame her for being so upset. 

To characterize a distraught and desperate mother's pleas as "just tacky" is, IMO, "just tacky."  No offense intended, just strong disagreement.

[Desdemona]

Updates have resumed at bringkyronhome.org.


http://bringkyronhome.org/findkyron/default.html

10/12/2010      Kaine:     I wanted to thank all of the Search and Rescue crews out on the search again the past two weekends and the days in between. We can’t thank you all enough, you are amazing. Our thoughts are with you all as work on Sauvie Island continues until closure; we hope for clues and/or information that can help solve the mystery of Sauvie Island on June 4th and aid in bringing Kyron home as quickly as possible!!

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"...as work on Sauvie Island continues until closure..."

"...the mystery of Sauvie Island on June 4th..."

Wow.

And it's interesting to note that Sauvie Island, the scene of the recent intense searches, will be the scene of a pumpkin patch fundraiser.  The family used to get their Halloween pumpkins out there.

See details at the link.

[Grey]

<respectfully snipped by Desi>

And, I thought that the reason for the Kyron Horman Fund was for continued efforts to locate this precious child. So, why then, aren't these funds being used in this investigation? IMO, they could be used to get TES out there, put up more billboards or give to the sheriff's office to defer some of the cost.

Now, before banana's start flying my way, I do not think Desiree or Kaine has any involvement in this crime. I do, however, question the way they're handling things now. For Desiree to get on national t.v. and blast Terri's parents to raise the reward to 350k was just tacky. If they're not going to use that money to further the investigation, then they should use it to raise the reward, since she obviously thinks it would make that much of a difference.

Everyone has a right to their own opinion.  And respectfully, I could not disagree more with your last two paragraphs.

1. There is a Kyron Horman Fund, administered by Bank of America, and there is a Kyron Horman Foundation, which is awaiting 501(c) status approval, and was founded by Kaine.  Money dontated to the fund has not been spent and it will be up to Kaine and Desiree to decide what to do with it.  If they decide to use it to hire TES, so be it.  But for now they seem to be relying on LE, which is their right.  For all I know, they may end up needing to use this money for a funeral.  The Kyron Horman Foundation was established by Kaine, to raise money for posters, bracelets, buttons, flyers, website, etc.  They filed for 501(c) status, which takes awhile.  The foundation is a perpetual one, which will continue to operate and to raise funds after Kyron is found, to help families of other missing children in the future.
http://bringkyronhome.org/findkyron/donate.html
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2.  Desiree did not "blast Terri's parents."  In her press conference, Desiree did call upon the public to donate money to increase the reward.  Desiree was expressing her pain and sense of injustice (rightfully so IMO) that someone, anyone, would give the woman who she believes harmed her son $350,000 to protect herself from criminal investigation and prosecution, versus $50,000 (a fraction of that amount) to induce someone to tell the truth about what happened to little Kyron, a vulnerable and defenseless little boy.  How awful it must be to believe that the people who were, for all intents and purposes Kyron's grandparents, have not contacted Desiree or Kaine, have not contributed any money to the reward fund, have not assisted with fundraising or searches, but yet would somehow find a way to come up with big bucks to shield Terri from scrutiny and prosecution.  To Desiree, that must not look very fair at all, and I don't blame her for being so upset. 

To characterize a distraught and desperate mother's pleas as "just tacky" is, IMO, "just tacky."  No offense intended, just strong disagreement.

Well said, Desi. Thank you.