Lively Case Discussion #584 2/18 - 2/25/2007

[Tibrogargan]

Klaas love the pictures of Sleuth at the courthouse.  Much more interesting than any of the TV  coverage  

[Sam]

I watched Oprah today or at least the last of it. She was talking about sex offenders and had BOR on. He was awhole lot different than what he was on his own show about Ben and Shawn. Anyway there is a bill before congress called the Adam Walsh Bill.

I posted a link to Oprah and the Adam Walsh bill in the Monkey lounge. She is asking us all to send our senators and Governers a letter asking them to fund and suport the Adam Walsh bill. The letter is already written.

We need to get behind this Monkeys.  Thanks.

[bleachedblack]

Is anyone else wondering about this rapid deterioration we are now hearing about ANS's body. Not to be gruesome, and I am not  hinting at criminal motive....shock perhaps....but i wonder if there was not a longer delay than initially revealed in alerting athourities between the time AS died, and the time the death was reported?  Depite "warm Bahamian climate" ........

[klaasend]

Is anyone else wondering about this rapid deterioration we are now hearing about ANS's body. Not to be gruesome, and I am not  hinting at criminal motive....shock perhaps....but i wonder if there was not a longer delay than initially revealed in alerting athourities between the time AS died, and the time the death was reported?  Depite "warm Bahamian climate" ........

I don't know enough about deterioration after death.  It's possible Anna was dead long before someone found her unresponsive.  It's also possible they found her and took longer than they said notifying authorities.

[bleachedblack]

I know there is no exact rate of decomposition, and that many factors come into this equation. I have read in the news that ANS's body was apparently not embalmed using the highest standards possible. I also read that she wants an open casket for viewing? I don't really see how this will be possible.
Interesting field of study .........has any one ever heard about the body farm?

[Tibrogargan]

Is anyone else wondering about this rapid deterioration we are now hearing about ANS's body. Not to be gruesome, and I am not  hinting at criminal motive....shock perhaps....but i wonder if there was not a longer delay than initially revealed in alerting athourities between the time AS died, and the time the death was reported?  Depite "warm Bahamian climate" ........

Hi BB I heard that last night on our TV news along with a snippet of the "clown" face and talking to the doll.  Anyone who would film a person behaving like that does not have that persons best interests at heart. IMO.
Also I think the baby would be much better off being adopted by a caring nurturing family rather than tossed about like a pingpong ball because of what money she MAY inherit.  What a bunch of leeches. IMO. Rant Over.
But my original question was to be this :  would the drugs ANS had obviously consumed also contribute to the rapid deterioration of the body?

[klaasend]

I know there is no exact rate of decomposition, and that many factors come into this equation. I have read in the news that ANS's body was apparently not embalmed using the highest standards possible. I also read that she wants an open casket for viewing? I don't really see how this will be possible.
Interesting field of study .........has any one ever heard about the body farm?

Yep, been to that website.  I'm sure I have it bookmarked as well.  Very interresting.

[bleachedblack]

It is. It is actually a book also. The original one is in FLorida, but I read they want to make a new one in Iowa? I guess to study the effects of time/conditions in a more varied climate. Sorry for the OT.......

[justinsmama]

It is. It is actually a book also. The original one is in FLorida, but I read they want to make a new one in Iowa? I guess to study the effects of time/conditions in a more varied climate. Sorry for the OT.......

I'm curious! Can you start a thread in the lounge?

Geez, what a day!

Any news?

[bleachedblack]

Is anyone else wondering about this rapid deterioration we are now hearing about ANS's body. Not to be gruesome, and I am not  hinting at criminal motive....shock perhaps....but i wonder if there was not a longer delay than initially revealed in alerting athourities between the time AS died, and the time the death was reported?  Depite "warm Bahamian climate" ........

Hi BB I heard that last night on our TV news along with a snippet of the "clown" face and talking to the doll.  Anyone who would film a person behaving like that does not have that persons best interests at heart. IMO.
Also I think the baby would be much better off being adopted by a caring nurturing family rather than tossed about like a pingpong ball because of what money she MAY inherit.  What a bunch of leeches. IMO. Rant Over.
But my original question was to be this :  would the drugs ANS had obviously consumed also contribute to the rapid deterioration of the body?

You know I have to take the other side of the fence stance on this one Tib. HKS was with ANS for years, and probably 24/7 at times. Even on her reality tv show, she acted bizzare and totally off her rocker many many times. Were those who filmed her guilty of anything more than HKS? Were we who watched guilty of watching and not doing anything to prevent the progression to such an end? ANS was often clearly on some type of substance (s)  on most of the shows that aired. Anna exhibited the "starry eyed look" and that "baby talk" voice on several of the shows that I saw aired, and was clearly not in the same world as most of us.

I don't think HKS saw anything he would consider stranger  than events he had probably seen hundreds of times before. He has said it was the hardest thing to watch , anna going throught the pain she was experiencing since Daniel died. I bet it truely was. He could have left her alone.

[bleachedblack]

It is. It is actually a book also. The original one is in FLorida, but I read they want to make a new one in Iowa? I guess to study the effects of time/conditions in a more varied climate. Sorry for the OT.......

I'm curious! Can you start a thread in the lounge?

Geez, what a day!

Any news?

A  hread about the body farm?

[bleachedblack]

Sorry my brain works faster than my fingers.....

[justinsmama]

Yes, about the farm, BB. I knew what ya meant!

[bleachedblack]

Yes, about the farm, BB. I knew what ya meant!

Done  

[Cat]

I WATCHED BOR TODAY ALSO.Klass,Admissions are staements that in the complaint or filling,that must denied,or they are deemed true.Like,when you had sex with NAH,you used a condom,did joran have one also.just an example.Did you get your drugs from gvc,or did you stop by the rave house?CAt

[A's Fever]

I know there is no exact rate of decomposition, and that many factors come into this equation. I have read in the news that ANS's body was apparently not embalmed using the highest standards possible. I also read that she wants an open casket for viewing? I don't really see how this will be possible.
Interesting field of study .........has any one ever heard about the body farm?

BB, if you are still here, what does it mean that ANS' body was "not embalmed using the highest standards possible"?  Are there a variety of methods?  Isn't it regulated?  Geez, that sounds worrisome . . . .

[BTgirl]

It is. It is actually a book also. The original one is in FLorida, but I read they want to make a new one in Iowa? I guess to study the effects of time/conditions in a more varied climate. Sorry for the OT.......

Actually, I think the original one was in Knoxville, TN.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_Farm

I only know this because I got my Master's Degree at the Univ. of TN in Knoxville, and heard a lot about it while I was there. I thought the whole concept was kinda icky.  

[sb]

I was just about to post what BTgirl just said. The "Body Farm" that I heard about is connected with the school of forensic science at the University of Tennessee.

There are jokes about Phillip Fulmer and Pat Summitt that come up in relation to this, but being that it's such a morbid and serious subject, I will refrain.  

Seriously, they study the effects of the natural environment on cadavers in order to establish data points for the criminalist field. The cadavers are left out in the elements and the drate and scope of deterioration is studied.

[Lala'sMom]

Good Evening monkeys.  Hope everyone is well.  Ahhhh! Yes. The Body Farm.  Fascinating indeed.  Every way imaginable to decompose a body is done there.  Very interesting.


OFF TOPIC ALERT!!!!  ANIMAL CRUELTY STORY...ENDS GOOD.  Did my good deed for the day today.  A customer came into the store where I work today and bought dog food and some containers to feed dogs.  The clerk asked what he was doing since this man was obviously from out of town.  Long story, short.  This man found 3 little puppies tied in a black trash bag thrown out in a garbage dump.  He saw the bag move and got out to investigate.  He couldn't take the pups back with him since he's working so he did the best he could do...he fed them and brought them water. He was going to try and keep them fed as long as he could before he had to leave. Another lady and I left from work later today and went searching for them and now they are resting quietly with full tummies and a nice soft bed to sleep on.  Next step is finding homes for them.  There are special places in hades for those that do things so cruel...I have to believe.

Rant over.

[mishy]

Is anyone else wondering about this rapid deterioration we are now hearing about ANS's body. Not to be gruesome, and I am not  hinting at criminal motive....shock perhaps....but i wonder if there was not a longer delay than initially revealed in alerting athourities between the time AS died, and the time the death was reported?  Depite "warm Bahamian climate" ........

Hi BB I heard that last night on our TV news along with a snippet of the "clown" face and talking to the doll.  Anyone who would film a person behaving like that does not have that persons best interests at heart. IMO.
Also I think the baby would be much better off being adopted by a caring nurturing family rather than tossed about like a pingpong ball because of what money she MAY inherit.  What a bunch of leeches. IMO. Rant Over.
But my original question was to be this :  would the drugs ANS had obviously consumed also contribute to the rapid deterioration of the body?

Hi Monkeys!!

Tibro, your idea is an excellent one! Daniellynn would be far better off with a stable, loving family who wants to adopt a little girl...I, too, wonder if Anna's body wasn't so pickled with drugs and/or alcohol before she died that it is aiding in more rapid decomposition than expected...But I hadn't thought of even more time passing than they initially believed before authorities were contacted. I would imagine the autopsy would reveal time of death too...

I was talking to someone last week whose cousin had some sort of internship at the Body Farm!