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« Reply #500 on: November 06, 2010, 11:29:34 AM »

If I understand correctly, Dolfi Richardson's wife has been appointed "interim" Chief of Police while Dolfi's in Holland and Trudy Hassell is in Qatar for two weeks.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/23914-jeannette-richardson-na-cabes-di-cuerpo-policial.html



Papiamentu translation:

jeannette richardson at cabes by cuerpo policial

friday, 05 november 2010 19:50

relaciona cu one biahe by job, alto comisario dolfi richardson will is at the netherlands before reuni on rst, while cu comisario trudy hassell will is at qatar before one meeting by interpol. cu the two unique comisarionan ausente, cuerpo policial have to owing to apunta jeannette richardson-baars, that is casa by the actual alto comisario because the boss interino till cu day 15 by november proximo. the storia by sra. jeannette richardson- baars is uno very peculiar because before ley the have to owing to become comisario for by very time come to anend. the was inspector by police even first cu her casa the become inspector. jeannette richardson-baars owing to arrive aruba by year 1995 y owing to arrive by ocupa several funcion in cuerpo policial. before several year the was boss by the staff by alto comisario y was fungi because the consehero principal by the alto comisario. but before one or another motibo, probably before evita one conflicto by interest cu her casa, owing to opta before not nombr'e in the funcion by comisario but owing to want'e in the funcion by alto inspector by police. by year 2009 the is boss by the "divisie politie opleiding provided that ontwikkeling" under where scol before police is resorta. do not conoci if will nombr'e comisario by police at present, but at least in the next two week the is sit in the chair by her same casa, because korpschef interino.

We found that Peru (????)  is a country of corruption, violence, nepotism and agreements are not fulfilled.  Sounds like Aruba, to me.

Me too, Buckeye.   


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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #501 on: November 06, 2010, 11:36:59 AM »

Ok.......so there they are sitting quietly at a desk, obviously in some type of office at the facility. Where's all the drama that was portrayed in the media about them busting in the prison to get to see Joran.....  Cracks me up. Keep  Beth.... keep  and thank you Peter D. Hunkmeister for making this happen. Perhaps one day he'll crack and the truth will spill. Problem is...he's lied so much from day one, how would 'his truth' be proven, unless and until Natalee's remains are uncovered/recovered. Which imo, is now impossible. I do not think she is recoverble. Anyway...just my



I agree Nut44x4, makes you wonder where those stories from September really originated from.  They were obviously FOS!

And I understand your reasoning but I hope you're wrong, and Natalee is recoverable. 

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #502 on: November 06, 2010, 11:39:44 AM »

There was one segment near the end of last night's The Insider that I forgot to mention.  Beth tells Joran that had she known he'd asked for a plane ticket back to Aruba in an email prior to the 30th, she would have obliged.  She said 'they' didn't show me the email until the 30th. 

Yes, I know....I'm not the greatest at transcriptions. 

Thanks 2NJ!   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #503 on: November 06, 2010, 11:43:58 AM »

I've been wondering where Anna is, thought this might bring her out of the rafters.   

He looks good in blue, oh well...he looks good in any color.   

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #504 on: November 06, 2010, 11:53:47 AM »

Some of the pictures show people out in this!   

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5181&offId=0



Papiamentu translation:

1 hora happen | fecha: 06/11/2010 | horario: 10:36

morning early turistanan owing to arise y owing to look at the lama bruto near by the hotelnan

still the disturbionan d tomas is being feel in we region come across
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #505 on: November 06, 2010, 12:11:17 PM »

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5173&offId=0&offDate=2010-11

Papiamentu translation:

16 hora happen | fecha: 06/11/2010 | horario: 20:00

kiebro for by car by tourist close by area commercial, this is one another are by tourist cu will not go back aruba more

before several year the family here know bring family, amistadnan y conocirnan aruba regularly, but yesterday if they owing to disgusta y they owing to enfatisa cu this is they ultimo visit before aruba. they're one family cu like aruba her clima y her nature but they never owing to imagina locual cu owing to sosode cu they, con antisocialnan owing to coy one blokki send door by 2 glass break come into steal all they pertenencianan y cu neither person owing to look at or owing to haci algo before stop the delincuentenan here. besides they not can compronde con one gobierno can permiti one "crack alley" close by one parkinglot by one area commercial. they owing to enfatisa cu they will not go back aruba more. where the cambio is???????



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #506 on: November 06, 2010, 12:18:39 PM »

Thanks TM, it is so much better to read it in some order.

You're welcome Magnolia.  I was really just guessing on some of it, I guess we'll know more about how it really went when Peter R. DeVries shows Part 2.  I think that's Sunday night.

I hope Jo Ann will give us another report like last time.
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« Reply #507 on: November 06, 2010, 12:20:01 PM »

Thanks TM, it is so much better to read it in some order.

You're welcome Magnolia.  I was really just guessing on some of it, I guess we'll know more about how it really went when Peter R. DeVries shows Part 2.  I think that's Sunday night.

I hope Jo Ann will give us another report like last time.

Me too!

Great to see you Anna!   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #508 on: November 06, 2010, 12:21:49 PM »

I've been wondering where Anna is, thought this might bring her out of the rafters.   

He looks good in blue, oh well...he looks good in any color.   

"Peter D. Hunkmeister" 




He's  one of those rare individuals who looks better the older he gets.

<sigh>   
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« Reply #509 on: November 06, 2010, 12:27:16 PM »

I agree, Anna!   
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« Reply #510 on: November 06, 2010, 12:28:54 PM »

Does the story with that red car say that some antisocial broke into the tourist's car and stole all their stuff and now they won't come back to Aruba?

I think that is what it says.
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« Reply #511 on: November 06, 2010, 12:31:55 PM »

Probably the usual lying suspects in Aruba are the ones who told the wild tales of Beth being arrested.  At the time I said no way as that culture allows for mothers to grieve pretty much any way they want to.

I thought I missed it on Inside Edition as I looked on it and they were talking about something else.  Maybe I should have stayed and waited.

Well, I think we have the info posted anyway thanks to TxMom
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« Reply #512 on: November 06, 2010, 12:33:26 PM »

Looking forward to what is on the program with Peter R. deVries on Sunday!
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« Reply #513 on: November 06, 2010, 12:47:53 PM »

Does the story with that red car say that some antisocial broke into the tourist's car and stole all their stuff and now they won't come back to Aruba?

I think that is what it says.

Yes, that's my understanding too.  The "V" on the license plate just makes tourists more of a target IMO.  Not that the same thing isn't done to locals...
 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #514 on: November 06, 2010, 03:35:38 PM »

THE ONLY ARUBAN VOICE

Jossy Mansur's motives may have had a political bias but ... when all is said and done ... prior to the John Silvetti/Caps/Tim Miller/pond witness connection ... a connection that took the focus off the Persistence betrayal ... this man was the only Aruban voice on the Island that advocated for Natalee and her family.  Jossy was constantly exposing those within the administration who were preventing justice from prevailing and ... he never let the focus of implication stray Paulus, Joran, Deepak and Satish.  Hee never let the focus of implication stray from ALL the suspects who were detained in the Natalee Holloway case.

However ... Jossy's upholding of Karin Janssen and Jan Vander Straaten tells me that he gives the Aruban investigation a pass.

Janet

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DIARIO Aruba
11/21/2005


ORANJESTAD (AAN) The case of Natalee is taking other unexpected twists and very negative ones that are going to tarnish Arubaís image as a safe destination for tourists and investors.

Joe Mammana has a very impressive criminal past in the U.S. but for one reason or another he has found publicity with different cases which have set his image straight and in the case of Natalee, he is trying to find national attention in the US by using sensationalism via the American media.

The government of Aruba recently declared that they will not permit Joe Mammana to enter Aruba.

Related to his past and criminal record, the government took the decision via the Minister of Justice that they cannot let such a person enter Aruba and about this there was information circulating that this Joe person sent a threatening letter to those who were detained in Aruba related to the case of Natalee.

The governmentís actions in this case were correct because they cannot let this type of person come to Aruba and believe that they can come do what they see fit on our island, and to boot, Mammana is one of those who is trying, body and soul, to organize an unjust and unjustifiable boycott against Aruba.

What is strange is that the government refuses to let this ex-criminal enter Aruba, but on the other hand, permits another ex-criminal, Mike Posner who is going soon to the U.S. for cases of law violations, to be able to have a business in Aruba, and enter and leave Aruba whenever he wants.

To make matters worse, the person in question, Mike Posner, has been able to obtain a permit to operate a casino, where anyone who wants to have a casino in Aruba and the majority of other countries in the world have to have a clean criminal record.

Recently, this information has started to circulate in the U.S. as well, and seeing that it hasnít been many days since via the American media false information was given that Aruba is a sort of den for criminals and even terrorists, the matter of the Aruba casino owner with a criminal past in the US, is going to help those who want to implement a total boycott against Aruba.

Wasnít it in Mike Posnerís casino that the principal suspect in Nataleeís case, Joran van der Sloot, was sitting gambling, despite the fact that he was underage and that never should he have been permitted to enter the casino?

Some weeks back, other media in Aruba came out in vanguard of the ex-criminal Mike Posner and wrote and article that praised Mike Posner for his supposed achievements in Aruba and what interest they had with him, nobody knows.

Now that the government refuses an American ex-criminal entry to Aruba, the government has to justify the reason why until today they continue to permit a person with such a police record such as Mike Posner, can come to set up a business in Aruba, continue to operate his business in Aruba and come and go whenever he wants.

What sort of handling of Justice is there in Aruba and what impact will this case have in the US when the American media start to question the government of Aruba about this matter?

This matter is pending because there are more questionable things here and also the role that certain politicians in Aruba play and continue to play in this matter.

[translated by Getagrip]

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« Reply #515 on: November 06, 2010, 05:44:58 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80607.php

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Government wants to smooth over casinos

November 6, 2010, 14:18 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The Aruban government has exercised flexibility in the changes of operators of a number of casinos. So says Minister Arthur Dower (AVP) of Justice and Education.

The law allowed casinos no longer than a few hours shut. Including seizures associated with the casinos of Westin and Radisson happened, however. "We have chosen not to casinos to close when it appeared that they could not keep the law at that time. I have to say that the authorization of the new operators were submitted on time and are now being processed. "

Casino Reviewers
Meanwhile get the casino inspectors, who represented the government monitor the gambling establishment, courses. This occurs in the context of compliance with the requirements of the Financial Action Taskforce (FATF). "The way we monitor the casinos a lot more professional. There must certainly no doubt that the way we monitor the casinos is the most optimal. "The minister points out that casinos are places where a lot of money in circulation. "And where a lot of money in circulation, there are more risks. We therefore need to meet international standards with regard to limiting the laundering of this money, be it for criminal purposes or to finance terrorism. "Dower Minister hopes within a few months with the design of the monitoring casinos ready. The new legislation will in any case within a few months brought to the States. "Under the old law was a lot of not optimally controlled. The fact that a group of very close to the previous Minister of Justice Sat all control over the casino in the hands had us in a very bad light put in FATF. But now we turn back to a normal situation, "said Mr Dower.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #516 on: November 06, 2010, 07:52:04 PM »

Is She Dead?  Is She Alive?

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I grasped at straws. I was desperate. I bloodied by hands from ripping up rocks on the beach in the hopes of finding one tiny shred of evidence. I performed the revolting task of tearing through the contents of a garbage dump in search of my daughterís body. I scoured crack houses looking to see if Natalee was being held captive in one of them. When officials found out that Americans were going into those places and shaking things up, they became infuriated and told me to back off.

I am a father who has no idea what has happened to my child. The questions run through my mind all day long. They keep me awake at night. Is she dead? Is she alive? Is she being held captive somewhere? Are they hurting her? Is she crying out for me? I need to know. I need to find some peace, one way or another.

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« Reply #517 on: November 06, 2010, 08:15:14 PM »

I am anxious for some new news from Peter's broadcast tomorrow.

I feel certain that he would not let the "rag mags" broadcast anything of significance before he does.
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« Reply #518 on: November 06, 2010, 08:18:22 PM »

I am anxious for some new news from Peter's broadcast tomorrow.

I feel certain that he would not let the "rag mags" broadcast anything of significance before he does.

I'm anxious too Magnolia!  I agree!   
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« Reply #519 on: November 06, 2010, 09:27:43 PM »

Face to face with the man who knows what happened to her daughter: Beth Holloway is filmed on hidden cameras talking to Joran Van der Sloot in a Peruvian prison.

 

Stone-faced: Mrs Holloway pleads with Van der Sloot for information about Natalee - but he only admits that he has made some 'bad decisions'.

Hidden cameras followed the brave mother inside the jail and caught the dramatic confrontation.

High-profile Dutch crime reporter Peter De Vries was also involved in the confrontation.

It was first reported on in September that Mrs Holloway had "snuck" into the prison to confront Van der Sloot - but now footage and what was said has been revealed for the first time.

Prior to the meeting, De Vries had fitted Mrs Holloway with a hidden microphone to capture every word of her conversation. Four more covert cameras were set up in the prison warden's office.

Van der Sloot, 23, was completely unaware he was being recorded and monitored in a nearby room and had no idea Mrs Holloway was visiting. Prison officials had complied with the covert operation.

Making her way through the barbed wire fence of the maximum-security prison, Mrs Holloway said the adrenalin kicked in.

We arrived at the gates of Castro Castro and of course, I was anxious and nervous,' she said.

But entering the prison grounds I still felt confident that what I was doing was the right thing.

The inmate was not handcuffed as he was led into the room, and sat on a chair inches away from Mrs Holloway.

There was no divider or security screen, although a warden was sitting behind a desk. Mrs Holloway's presence had come as a complete surprise to van der Sloot.

Mrs Holloway can be heard pleading with him to put her out of her misery by coming clean about the events in Aruba back in May 2005.

Just listen to me for a couple of minutes,' she said.

Beth Holloway's plea: 'I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran... Tell me where she is.'

I won't do anything until I get some information about Natalee.

I want to know what happened and I want to move on, Joran. I want to move on.

If it was an accident, tell me. I don't know.

It's too late for Natalee but it's not too late for you Joran. I just want to get face to face with you. I don't have any hate in me.

Van der Sloot's reply: 'I hope you can understand it's very hard for me to talk to you... It is the least I owe you, for sure. I've made so many bad decisions and for all the wrong reasons.

Joran I've been a school teacher for 30 years and I felt like there was a real sincerity that you wanted to get this monkey off your back.

And I thought that's where we were going. I know you want your life back.

But you're looking at spending the rest of our life in prison.

You have your own life ahead, you're the boss of you. But here, Joran, the time stands still, the clock stops. You're just stranded in time.'

After listening in silence for four minutes, van der Sloot finally spoke.

I hope you can understand it's very hard for me to talk to you,' he said.

It's really not easy, I'm really doing my best. I know you have a very good heart, I know that for a fact. It is the least I owe you for sure.

I've made so many bad decisions and all for the wrong reasons.

Mrs. Holloway's desperation grew.


Joran, you don't need to lose your life in prison and be sitting here when you're 60 years of age and be sitting here insisting to me that you don't know what happened she said.

Tell me what happened, let me take her home.

After the meeting Mrs Holloway broke down in tears, saying: 'I wanted to see him, I wanted to get face to face with him.

I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.

Disappointingly, the liaison did little to help Mrs Holloway's agonising quest for answers.

The riveting footage was aired on prime-time CBS shows The Insider and Entertainment Tonight on Friday, and will also form part of a Dutch crime documentary.

Twice arrested and never charged, Van der Sloot remains the chief suspect in the Natalee Holloway case.

The pretty blonde 18-year-old had disappeared on the last night of a high school graduation trip and was last seen leaving a club with van der Sloot and his two friends.

Her body has never been found

Castro Castro prison: An aerial view of the Peruvian prison holding Joran van der sloot. He is charged with the murder of Stephany Flores on May 30.

Mrs Holloway, from Alabama, has always been vocal about her only daughter's suspected killer, saying he has 'dragged her through hell.

She has devoted her life to uncovering the truth.

Because if he wants to sit there and keep insisting that he doesn't have answers or doesn't know what happened to Natalee well then I want him to keep saying that when he's 60 years old sitting in prison.

He can't even take a mother sitting in front of him to tell her the truth ?

That's pathetic, it's pathetic.

In June this year, Van der Sloot was indicted by a federal grand jury in Alabama for trying to extort $200,00 from Mrs Holloway.

In exchange for cash, he allegedly promised to tell her the location of Natalee's remains. The footage showed her revisiting the supposed Aruba locations with De Vries.

It was another elaborately fabricated story from Joran,' she said.

Of course we'd thought just maybe, just once he was telling the truth. But no.

I know that Joran will either spend the rest of his life living in a Peruvian prison or I will have Natalee and will bring her home and I will have the answers I've been so desperately seeking.

See part of Peter De Vries' interview with Beth Holloway here - and the moment she comes face to face with Van der Sloot (around 5min50secs in)


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1327180/Tell-After-years-Natalee-Holloways-desperate-mother-comes-face-face-Joran-Van-der-Sloot.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
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