Natalee Case Discussion #850 10/24/10 - 11/16/10

[Tamikosmom]

I could be wrong but ... when the lawsuit filed by Joran's attorney is considered ... I have a hinky feeling that the two part video that can be accessed at his website is going to go "poof".  I believe that immediate downloading is where it is at.

Janet

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PART 1

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Extortion

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


PART 2

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Face to Face

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

Please let me know if this has been done.  I have not had a chance to view any them and one of the YouTube versions was removed. TIA

Do we have a good hiding place for monkeys ?

Dihannah1

The last I checked both Part one and two are still on Peter Devries' website.  They have not gone"poof" and they may not.  However ... this computer illiterate was very fortunate.  My son was able to download both videos.  In otherwords ... it is has been backed up .... just in case.

Janet

Thanks Janet.  Just got my laptop back and pulled them up.  However,  I need an English version.  I can't understand a word he is saying. 

Dihannah1

The Peter Deviries interview with Beth in Part One is in English and ... the face to face with Joran van der Sloot in Part Two is in English.

I am disappointed that the portions in Dutch do not have English ? at the bottom of the screen.

Janet

[Lifesong]

THE INVOLVMENT OF DEEPAK AND SATISH

Peter Devries

Newsweek - February 8, 2008

Do you believe that the Surinamese brothers, Satish and Deepak Kalpoe, were involved in any way?

Peter Devries:  No, not at all.  On the tapes Joran calls them stupid.  I don't believe they were involved.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/109260/page/3


THE COMPLETE STORY
How a sensational hidden camera operation
solved the Natalee Holloway case

Peter Devries:  Jorans friends Deepak and Satish, who have been arrested for this case several times, are completely innocent.  Joran declares with pride that he has abused them to create an alibi for himself. He calls them “very stupid boys’.

http://www.peterrdevries.com/complete-story.htm

UPDATE 2010

"KNOWING WHAT HAPPENED, MORE OR LESS" - PETER R. DEVRIES

De confrontatie tussen Beth Holloway en Joran


56:43

Peter deVries:  So, Beth…this is where it all started, five years ago.  The crime scene.

Beth Holloway:  Yeah, the fisherman’s huts, and it’s where the beach is…

Peter deVries:  You have never been here before, have you?

Beth Holloway:  No.  There wasn’t any point in me coming here, at the time.

Peter deVries:  What does it do to you to stand here, knowing what happened, more or less?

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

[2NJSons_Mom]

Gosh.  It makes me sad that everyone is so upset.  We are all so passionate about finding justice for Natalee and Stephany and the 5 years has taken a toll on her family and us.  Stay strong.  God forbid if anything happened to my family, I would want all of you monkeys there for me and supporting me the way you do Natalee's family.  This forum is the best one out there and it is because of the people on it.  No one usually responds or speaks to me but I feel the commitment and the passion in every post.  There is a camaraderie here and it feels good nonetheless.  Here is a fresh cup of coffee \_/? and some banana bread [:::], hugs to all.  May all the rats in Peru find Joran's hole......... err his potty hole, you know! 

I also want you to know that I read all of your posts and have seen some responses directed to you.  If I'm reading them a couple of hours after they've been posted and I don't have anything to add, I just keep reading.  It's no reflection on you, your posts, whatsoever.  I sometimes wish I could contribute more or express a thought as well as so many here do regularly. 

[Nut44x4]

Glad I had other obligations last night .....

[Lifesong]

NO DAMAGES

Deepak's Words BEFORE The Dr. Phil Show


taken from the Transcript of Jamie Skeeters Tape w/Deepak Kalpoe


"If you want me to take a polygraph for the show, you know.  I’ll talk it over with my attorney.  I’ll get back to you and (unintelligible)  But it’s not gonna help."

"I don't have any close friends anymore;  they're all gone."

"Everything is empty. The bottle is empty.  The party is...all gone."

"But as far as me going on camera, it still just doesn't matter.  Because at the end of the night, everyone, still, when they go to bed, they think, "these boys know something."  It's gonna come down to that, so we gave up on that a long time ago."

"Miami Dade college. All gone, it's over."

"It’s over for us.  You know?  As far as our careers, our schools…"

"No matter what we say…I mean, everything we say today, they just don’t believe us. At the end of the night, we still are suspects and stay... we’ll stay suspects."

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=648.msg91866#msg91866

[msmarple]

A very heart-felt "Good Morning" to my Monkey acquaintences.

I seldom post any more because I usually don't have anything to offer. But I stay caught up with reading here - I keep a post-it with the last page I read. Sometimes I just feel the thread has moved on, too far beyond replying to a specific post anyway.

And I know that many of you have "sleuthed" what little we do know, to the Nth degree. That forms your respective opinions, and certainly your're entitled to that.

Having said all that - Couple of reminders:

1. It's not about us. It's about Natalee Holloway.

2. Sometimes it's good to step away from the computer and take 40,000 breaths or so. (Don't bother to count. Just calm down.)

Many posts (and a few sig lines) offend me, but it doesn't really matter. All that matters is to provide support, and advocate, for justice in this God-awful case.

God bless Natalee's family, especially as they approach another holiday season without Natalee.

[Dihannah1]

Dihannah - to answer your 2nd question first about the Zahra thread, I have no idea why it would allow you to come in this thread yet block the Zahra thread.  Makes no sense to me.  I'd ask you to check with your IT people but maybe that's not a great idea 

1st question  = Dark Lord/Lard used to be a moderator here.  HE is banned and is now posting over at RU.  He was a moderator here and was banned after editing posts out of anger and posting unbecoming a moderator.  We cannot say his name here as his name is filtered out like other bad words.  His nickname started with an "O". 

Many long time posters in this case were under the impression that the Dark Lord was more than one person posting, multiple personalities. 

Thanks for the answers!  Yes, it is very strange, as I work in IT!  LOL, However, not that part of it.  And Yeah, prolly not a good idea to ask for help.  I'm luck I can get in here at all.  And as for the 2nd answer, I know exactly who you are talking about now, as I am embarrased to admit, I was involved in that lil' scuffle.  Just didn't know the new name.

Well, I guess off to read at Kyrons, I can get in there!   verrrryyy weird.....  Maybe a "Vampire" has taken overe my puter'.   Ok, not funny....  trying to keep it light today..

[Dihannah1]

I could be wrong but ... when the lawsuit filed by Joran's attorney is considered ... I have a hinky feeling that the two part video that can be accessed at his website is going to go "poof".  I believe that immediate downloading is where it is at.

Janet

+++++++


PART 1

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Extortion

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


PART 2

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Face to Face

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

Please let me know if this has been done.  I have not had a chance to view any them and one of the YouTube versions was removed. TIA

Do we have a good hiding place for monkeys ?

Dihannah1

The last I checked both Part one and two are still on Peter Devries' website.  They have not gone"poof" and they may not.  However ... this computer illiterate was very fortunate.  My son was able to download both videos.  In otherwords ... it is has been backed up .... just in case.

Janet

Thanks Janet.  Just got my laptop back and pulled them up.  However,  I need an English version.  I can't understand a word he is saying. 

Dihannah1

The Peter Deviries interview with Beth in Part One is in English and ... the face to face with Joran van der Sloot in Part Two is in English.

I am disappointed that the portions in Dutch do not have English ? at the bottom of the screen.

Janet

Hmmm, guess my patience was on the short side last night, as I didn't wait to get to that part.  The Dutch talk was really grating on my nerves, so stopped it before the english part.  I may try to listen again today.  Thanks for the Info!  Check back in awhile.

[crazybabyborg]

A very heart-felt "Good Morning" to my Monkey acquaintences.

I seldom post any more because I usually don't have anything to offer. But I stay caught up with reading here - I keep a post-it with the last page I read. Sometimes I just feel the thread has moved on, too far beyond replying to a specific post anyway.

And I know that many of you have "sleuthed" what little we do know, to the Nth degree. That forms your respective opinions, and certainly your're entitled to that.

Having said all that - Couple of reminders:

1. It's not about us. It's about Natalee Holloway.

2. Sometimes it's good to step away from the computer and take 40,000 breaths or so. (Don't bother to count. Just calm down.)

Many posts (and a few sig lines) offend me, but it doesn't really matter. All that matters is to provide support, and advocate, for justice in this God-awful case.

God bless Natalee's family, especially as they approach another holiday season without Natalee.

Hi msmarple! I have a tip for you that might help you save some post it notes: If you click the word "new" on any thread from the menu, it automatically takes you to the last page you viewed. Here's a screen capture..... 

[crazybabyborg]

Dihannah, the videos are well worth watching despite the language barrier, IMO. There's enough in English to be compelling, and since Beth's encounter with Joran and Stephany's brother are in English as well as conversations between her and Peter, it's not so bad. Just hang in there. 

[Tamikosmom]

I could be wrong but ... when the lawsuit filed by Joran's attorney is considered ... I have a hinky feeling that the two part video that can be accessed at his website is going to go "poof".  I believe that immediate downloading is where it is at.

Janet

+++++++


PART 1

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Extortion

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/het-gewetenloze-spel-van-joran-van-der-sloot/


PART 2

Video - Beth Holloway and Peter Devries - Face to Face

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

Please let me know if this has been done.  I have not had a chance to view any them and one of the YouTube versions was removed. TIA

Do we have a good hiding place for monkeys ?

Dihannah1

The last I checked both Part one and two are still on Peter Devries' website.  They have not gone"poof" and they may not.  However ... this computer illiterate was very fortunate.  My son was able to download both videos.  In otherwords ... it is has been backed up .... just in case.

Janet

Thanks Janet.  Just got my laptop back and pulled them up.  However,  I need an English version.  I can't understand a word he is saying. 

Dihannah1

The Peter Deviries interview with Beth in Part One is in English and ... the face to face with Joran van der Sloot in Part Two is in English.

I am disappointed that the portions in Dutch do not have English ? at the bottom of the screen.

Janet

Hmmm, guess my patience was on the short side last night, as I didn't wait to get to that part.  The Dutch talk was really grating on my nerves, so stopped it before the english part.  I may try to listen again today.  Thanks for the Info!  Check back in awhile.

Dihannah1 ... don't procrastinate too long.  Apparently ... Part One may no longer be available for viewing on the website after tomorrow.

Janet

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Beth Hollowa:

'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/


Beth Holloway

'Tell me what happened. Let me take her home.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/



 

   

[Nut44x4]

Beth Holloway

'Tell me what happened. Let me take her home.'



that made me 

[Dihannah1]

Dag!  I was going to listen at my desk, but it's asking to download MS SilverLight, which I can't as, our pc's are setup to not allow us to download anything at work.  I'll listen when I get home tonight.  I hope they are still up by then!

I'm also upset cause I want to read in Zahra's thread, with some of the news last night, but can't get in, and not much new in Kyron's thread.  Geesh, I may actually have to work for my pay today! 

[msmarple]

Hi CBB Sweetie,

Thank you, I do know about the "new" button feature thingie.  It only works properly if you log on all the time. Mostly I just read from the rafters. But I am never far or long away from y'all.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80784.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Stephany Father Flores: "Joran will pay his lawyer with money TV shows'

November 10, 2010, 12:45 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - According to Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered on May 30 Stephany Flores is Joran van der Sloot by the media paid to his TV appearances. This would pay for his defense. "I challenge his lawyer to challenge this statement," the tormented father's house.

Flores believes that Joran too is protected by Peruvian law. He denounces the fact that Joran in a separate wing of the prison stay. According to Flores he would be staying in relative luxury compared to the rest of the prison population. "It is unacceptable that such a person enjoying privileges."

The father of Stephany Flores has no good words for the broadcast of the confrontation between Joran van der Sloot and Beth in the Peruvian prison. He says the broadcast on Dutch and American television in sight, but not having seen, he states "undue burden" to have the fact that Joran was interviewed several times on TV. He feels "outrage" when he accused of murdering his young daughter on the tube will pass. "My whole family is currently undergoing psychiatric help and is on anti-depressants. This whole situation is very difficult for us. "Flores annoyed that Joran out several times from the Miguel Castro Castro prison misrepresentation in the media while he was still no official statement made by the Peruvian Court. The Flores family had on October 6 Joran's interview with Times reporter John van den Heuvel seen. "The killer said he Stephany came into the casino. She had asked him whether he had a girlfriend and he said no and asked her if she had a boyfriend and she had told him that she liked women. That was anything but enjoyable for us to see over breakfast. "

The day before yesterday was in the Netherlands and the United States report a crime reporter Peter R. De Vries broadcast which you can see how Beth Twitty Joran van der Sloot said in the office of warden Eddie Samame of the Miguel Castro Castro prison. Joran's stuck there until the trial for the murder of Flores. Meanwhile on Samame laid off because of his participation in the confrontation with hidden cameras between the mother of Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 and Joran. The lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Maximo Altez, announced a legal procedure to tighten against Twitty and De Vries. He said that his client bribed by the Director are forced to speak with Twitty. Peter R. Ferris denied the allegations vehemently.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80767.php

English version:

Peter R. De Vries denies imputations: ‘No question of corruption’

9 Nov, 2010, 06:58 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANJESTAD / AMSTERDAM — Crime reporter Peter R. de Vries is surprised by the announcement that Maximo Altez – the lawyer of Joran van der Sloot – is instituting legal proceedings due to ‘bribing government officials’. He denies the imputations most emphatically.

“We did not pay a penny, a peso, absolutely nothing to enter the prison.”

This newspaper reported yesterday that Eddie Samame, the prison director of Joran was suspended. This occurred with regard to the confrontation between the mother of Natalee Holloway who disappeared in 2005, and Joran. Peter, who had organized this confrontation, also made hidden camera shots of this. These shots were broadcasted on TV last weekend amongst others in the Netherlands and the United States.

Altez says that Beth and Peter had gained entrance ‘in an illegal manner’ to the prison where Joran is on remand. However, the crime reporter denies the imputations and says, “Permission was given for this action up to the highest level. The authorities had simply ordered the director to cooperate. The condition was made that one would not discuss the case of Stephany Flores. In any case, nothing was done irregular from our side. Everyone knew what was going to happen; nobody was misled.” The reporter finds that Joran’s lawyer ‘is talking through the back of his neck’. There is absolutely no question of corruption.” According to Peter, the authorities allowed Beth entrance ‘out of solidarity’. “Therefore, I do not understand all of the current excitement”.

[Anna]

I think it needs to be noted that Enrique Flores (Stephany's brother) is one
heck of a hot-good-looking man and also very much a gentleman.
 

Next time, I vote Anna and Magnolia need to go with Beth to handle the
hot Mister Peter deVries and Enrique Flores!
Ole'

 

I'll go, Kermit!    We'll leave Peter to Anna.  I like Enrique.

Oh, good!  Enrique is a little young for my preferences.

But remember when we first heard about this trip and were told the Flores family left as soon as they saw the cameras? 

Obviously, that was yet another lie.  Some who don't like Beth like to pretend others do not like her as well.

Total lies on every aspect of this trip is all we heard at first.

[MuffyBee]

I think it needs to be noted that Enrique Flores (Stephany's brother) is one
heck of a hot-good-looking man and also very much a gentleman.
 

Next time, I vote Anna and Magnolia need to go with Beth to handle the
hot Mister Peter deVries and Enrique Flores!
Ole'

 

I'll go, Kermit!    We'll leave Peter to Anna.  I like Enrique.

Oh, good!  Enrique is a little young for my preferences.

But remember when we first heard about this trip and were told the Flores family left as soon as they saw the cameras? 

Obviously, that was yet another lie.  Some who don't like Beth like to pretend others do not like her as well.

Total lies on every aspect of this trip is all we heard at first.

Wasn't there an email or comment that passed through here from another site that said Joran had been warned in advance of Beth's arrival?  And there was also something I remember reading about Joran not talking to Beth, but instead giving her his lawyer's business card?  This is probably some more of the lies...

[Magnolia]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_80784.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Stephany Father Flores: "Joran will pay his lawyer with money TV shows'

November 10, 2010, 12:45 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / LIMA - According to Ricardo Flores, the father of the murdered on May 30 Stephany Flores is Joran van der Sloot by the media paid to his TV appearances. This would pay for his defense. "I challenge his lawyer to challenge this statement," the tormented father's house.

Flores believes that Joran too is protected by Peruvian law. He denounces the fact that Joran in a separate wing of the prison stay. According to Flores he would be staying in relative luxury compared to the rest of the prison population. "It is unacceptable that such a person enjoying privileges."
The father of Stephany Flores has no good words for the broadcast of the confrontation between Joran van der Sloot and Beth in the Peruvian prison. He says the broadcast on Dutch and American television in sight, but not having seen, he states "undue burden" to have the fact that Joran was interviewed several times on TV. He feels "outrage" when he accused of murdering his young daughter on the tube will pass. "My whole family is currently undergoing psychiatric help and is on anti-depressants. This whole situation is very difficult for us. "Flores annoyed that Joran out several times from the Miguel Castro Castro prison misrepresentation in the media while he was still no official statement made by the Peruvian Court. The Flores family had on October 6 Joran's interview with Times reporter John van den Heuvel seen. "The killer said he Stephany came into the casino. She had asked him whether he had a girlfriend and he said no and asked her if she had a boyfriend and she had told him that she liked women. That was anything but enjoyable for us to see over breakfast. "

The day before yesterday was in the Netherlands and the United States report a crime reporter Peter R. De Vries broadcast which you can see how Beth Twitty Joran van der Sloot said in the office of warden Eddie Samame of the Miguel Castro Castro prison. Joran's stuck there until the trial for the murder of Flores. Meanwhile on Samame laid off because of his participation in the confrontation with hidden cameras between the mother of Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 and Joran. The lawyer of Joran van der Sloot, Maximo Altez, announced a legal procedure to tighten against Twitty and De Vries. He said that his client bribed by the Director are forced to speak with Twitty. Peter R. Ferris denied the allegations vehemently.

I agree with Stephany's father in that Joran is enjoying too many priviledges in the Peruvian prison.
It bothers me because we have seen the Sloots dance around the law for so long.

I hope that someone will tell him that Beth never mentioned Stephany in her confrontation with Joran.
She was there to try to find her child's remains after five long years.  The Flores were able to bury their
daughter, but I am sure the hurt is still very raw.

[Anna]

I hate to think about Joran being paid for interviews, too.  I can't imagine that he was for the meeting with Beth.

And I share Mr. Flores disdain for Joran being in a special place.  I also suspect that this is only to keep him alive long enough to stand trial.

JMO