Zahra Clare Baker #2 10/13/10 - 10/16/10

[pink angel]

One thing that keeps gnawing at me is the dogs smelling "human remains" in the wood chipper and other place.

Mr. Baker's job involved very rough work, like cutting down trees, pruning, and clearing brush... then he would feed the material into the chipper.

Is it possible that he (or other woodworkers who used the chipper facilities) injured themselves while working, and what the dogs are smelling is the odor of old blood that came from people working with the chipper and having scraps or gashes caused by their work?

I figure that if the step-mother murdered Zahra on her own, and the father APPEARS to not know what's going on... that the mother wouldn't be able to bring the body in the farm with the chipper and use it.

The only way that the chipper would've been used in the crime is IF the father knew and was involved in the disappearance.

MOO.

They have ruled out the dog hits on the wood chipper more or less.

Earlier this week, a K-9 unit alerted police to a wood chipper on the property. A K-9 unit dog handler told Channel 9 that the hit was not on the wood chipper itself but the engine, and the blood could have come from a cut on a worker’s hand.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25389806/detail.html




K9 crews indicated earlier in the week that traces of human remains were found on wood processing equipment in an area where Baker's father once worked, but detectives with the Burke County Sheriff's Office said that is no longer a solid lead.
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/631503/crews-come-up-empty-so-far-as-zahra-search-continues



The only dogs hits now that haven't been ruled out is the hits on the car/truck that they used as "probable cause" for the search warrants.

Thanks, Pink (and Tolerance.)

Another thing...

if bodily fluids were transfered to the clothing of someone carrying a dead body, wouldn't that piece of clothing contaminate anything it comes in contact with?

About the items found in the cars, altogether they give the impression that someone was ready to go on a trip, or someone was back from a trip... or someone was "on the ready" to flee.

Yes, the clothing could contaminate objects. Let's say you wiped your hands on your thighs or backside after carrying a body and then got into your vehicle. The seat you were sitting on might cause a dog to "hit" on the vehicle.


Yup, regarding items seized. We also chatted a few pages back someone could have been sleeping in the car also.

[ScareyCarrie]

One thing that keeps gnawing at me is the dogs smelling "human remains" in the wood chipper and other place.

Mr. Baker's job involved very rough work, like cutting down trees, pruning, and clearing brush... then he would feed the material into the chipper.

Is it possible that he (or other woodworkers who used the chipper facilities) injured themselves while working, and what the dogs are smelling is the odor of old blood that came from people working with the chipper and having scraps or gashes caused by their work?

I figure that if the step-mother murdered Zahra on her own, and the father APPEARS to not know what's going on... that the mother wouldn't be able to bring the body in the farm with the chipper and use it.

The only way that the chipper would've been used in the crime is IF the father knew and was involved in the disappearance.

MOO.

They have ruled out the dog hits on the wood chipper more or less.

Earlier this week, a K-9 unit alerted police to a wood chipper on the property. A K-9 unit dog handler told Channel 9 that the hit was not on the wood chipper itself but the engine, and the blood could have come from a cut on a worker’s hand.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25389806/detail.html




K9 crews indicated earlier in the week that traces of human remains were found on wood processing equipment in an area where Baker's father once worked, but detectives with the Burke County Sheriff's Office said that is no longer a solid lead.
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/631503/crews-come-up-empty-so-far-as-zahra-search-continues



The only dogs hits now that haven't been ruled out is the hits on the car/truck that they used as "probable cause" for the search warrants.

Thanks, Pink (and Tolerance.)

Another thing...

if bodily fluids were transfered to the clothing of someone carrying a dead body, wouldn't that piece of clothing contaminate anything it comes in contact with?

About the items found in the cars, altogether they give the impression that someone was ready to go on a trip, or someone was back from a trip... or someone was "on the ready" to flee.

Yes, the clothing could contaminate objects. Let's say you wiped your hands on your thighs or backside after carrying a body and then got into your vehicle. The seat you were sitting on might cause a dog to "hit" on the vehicle.


Yup, regarding items seized. We also chatted a few pages back someone could have been sleeping in the car also.

Some of those items were from the house also, so hard telling IMO

Pink, did you or anyone else notice a couple articles back you posted one about Zahra's mother and if the father will be arrested...they said his name was Mark  bad reporting?

[pink angel]

One thing that keeps gnawing at me is the dogs smelling "human remains" in the wood chipper and other place.

Mr. Baker's job involved very rough work, like cutting down trees, pruning, and clearing brush... then he would feed the material into the chipper.

Is it possible that he (or other woodworkers who used the chipper facilities) injured themselves while working, and what the dogs are smelling is the odor of old blood that came from people working with the chipper and having scraps or gashes caused by their work?

I figure that if the step-mother murdered Zahra on her own, and the father APPEARS to not know what's going on... that the mother wouldn't be able to bring the body in the farm with the chipper and use it.

The only way that the chipper would've been used in the crime is IF the father knew and was involved in the disappearance.

MOO.

They have ruled out the dog hits on the wood chipper more or less.

Earlier this week, a K-9 unit alerted police to a wood chipper on the property. A K-9 unit dog handler told Channel 9 that the hit was not on the wood chipper itself but the engine, and the blood could have come from a cut on a worker’s hand.
http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25389806/detail.html




K9 crews indicated earlier in the week that traces of human remains were found on wood processing equipment in an area where Baker's father once worked, but detectives with the Burke County Sheriff's Office said that is no longer a solid lead.
http://charlotte.news14.com/content/top_stories/631503/crews-come-up-empty-so-far-as-zahra-search-continues



The only dogs hits now that haven't been ruled out is the hits on the car/truck that they used as "probable cause" for the search warrants.

Thanks, Pink (and Tolerance.)

Another thing...

if bodily fluids were transfered to the clothing of someone carrying a dead body, wouldn't that piece of clothing contaminate anything it comes in contact with?

About the items found in the cars, altogether they give the impression that someone was ready to go on a trip, or someone was back from a trip... or someone was "on the ready" to flee.

Yes, the clothing could contaminate objects. Let's say you wiped your hands on your thighs or backside after carrying a body and then got into your vehicle. The seat you were sitting on might cause a dog to "hit" on the vehicle.


Yup, regarding items seized. We also chatted a few pages back someone could have been sleeping in the car also.

Some of those items were from the house also, so hard telling IMO

Pink, did you or anyone else notice a couple articles back you posted one about Zahra's mother and if the father will be arrested...they said his name was Mark  bad reporting?

Bad reporting or just a monkey mistake. It's Adam.

[pink angel]

TIMELINE: Missing 10-Year-Old Zahra Baker

    * Images: SLIDESHOW: Zahra Baker - Missing 10-Year-Old Hickory Girl

Posted: 1:38 pm EDT October 11, 2010Updated: 1:18 pm EDT October 15, 2010
HICKORY, N.C. -- The following is a timeline of events in the case of the missing 10-year-old Hickory girl, Zahra Baker.

• THURSDAY EVENING: Zahra's dad, Adam Baker, said he last saw his daughter in bed on Thursday evening after he returned home from work.

• SATURDAY MORNING: Zahra was reportedly last seen sleeping in her bed in her Hickory home by her stepmother, Elisa Baker.

• SATURDAY AFTERNOON Zahra Baker was reported missing by her father and stepmother.

• SUNDAY MORNING: Zahra's stepmother was arrested on several charges unrelated to the case. The charges include writing bad checks and failing to return property.

• SUNDAY AFTERNOON: Police gathered surveillance video from businesses near the home to put together a better timeline of events leading to her disappearance.

• SUNDAY AFTERNOON: Investigators also followed up on a call for service by the Hickory Fire Department at the home where Zahra lives with her parents for a small fire that started on the front lawn.

• SUNDAY AFTERNOON: A dozen Hickory police officers went door to door throughout Zahra's neighborhood Sunday afternoon, talking to dozens of residents and handing out Zahra's photograph. Officers looked into basement windows, and walked deep into the woods.

• MONDAY MORNING: Zahra's dad, Adam Baker, appeared on "Good Morning America" to plead with anyone with information to come forward.

• MONDAY AFTERNOON: Hickory police chief, Tom Adkins, held a brief press conference to update the public on the 10-year-old's disappearance.

• MONDAY AFTERNOON: A search warrant released Monday reveals more details about the case of a missing 10-year-old girl from Hickory girl. According to the search warrant, investigators showed up at Zahra Baker's residence responding to a brush fire outside the home on Saturday morning when they found a ransom note inside of a Chevrolet Tahoe that was parked outside.

• TUESDAY AFTERNOON: Hickory police have obtained a warrant for Zahra's stepmother, Elisa Baker, after she admitted to writing and leaving the ransom note that was at the fire scene on Saturday, the day Zahra was reported missing. Elisa is being charged with felony obstruction of justice after being interviewed Monday night at the Catawba County Detention facility about the disappearance of Zahra.

• TUESDAY EVENING: Police are searched a wooded area late into the night on Tuesday and into Wednesday morning dozens of miles from where the missing 10-year-old Zahra Baker was last seen. The scene is down a dead end dirt road off of Hartland Road, north of Morganton, where police spent more than seven hours looking for clues around a wood chipper and in mulch piles.

• WEDNESDAY MORNING: The girl's stepmother, Elisa Baker, was scheduled to appear in court Wednesday, accused of trying to throw off investigators with a fake ransom note. A public candlelight vigil for 10-year-old Zahra is expected to take place Wednesday at 6:30 p.m. at East Hickory Baptist Church on 16th Street, Southeast in Hickory.

• WEDNESDAY EVENING: Investigators drained a pond and used a dog to sniff through piles of mulch and tree-trimming equipment searching for the remains of a 10-year-old as neighbors and friends who had feared for her safety used a vigil to encourage people to report child abuse.

• WEDNESDAY EVENING: At a vigil Wednesday night, about 150 people sang religious songs, held hands and implored each other to love their children and report signs of child abuse to authorities. The case has disturbed Hickory, a city of about 40,000, some 50 miles northwest of Charlotte.

• THURSDAY EVENING: For the fifth day in a row, police launched a massive search on Thursday at a remote property north of Morganton for any signs of the missing Zahra Clare Baker and for a fifth day in a row, the search came up empty. Channel 9 has been able to confirm from police on Thursday that Zahra, did make the move to Hickory with her family from Sawmills in Caldwell County and have confirmed that she was alive as recently as mid-September.

• FRIDAY AFTERNOON: Zahra Baker’s father, Adam Baker, was with investigators at the home where the 10-year-old girl went missing last Saturday. Channel 9's Dave Faherty said two different K-9 dog units were seen at the home searching behind the house in wood piles and that officers carried a plastic bag, a mattress and box spring that were also bagged out of the house Friday. Faherty was able to speak with Baker on camera Friday afternoon. According to Faherty, Baker wanted to thank everyone who is actively searching for his daughter.

http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25355983/detail.html

[ScareyCarrie]

Pink, (whew that stacks getting long)

Im sure it was the article, not you! i just wanted to make sure i didnt miss something, seeing as how the Step-"mom" has so many dang aliases....

[ScareyCarrie]

seeing as she is being charged with writing the fake ransom note, if there is any way for them to prove she set the fire, assuming she did...

[theboyzmom]

The Mim's only saw Zahra once when the Baker's were moving in. The Baker's fought a lot, you would think that the Mim's would have heard Zahra at least once or twice in that time period. I'm not sure where they were hiding her, but wonder if they had something covering her mouth as well. This just doesn't make sense 

Hello, NRCG!
I was thinking about this report, as well. 
If Mims were the apartment managers wouldn't they know full well who was living in the apartment?
I would think the application would show the occupants? 
Unless Gothmother & hubby lied?
I wonder if they could check the application records.

In a perfect world they would know. But it is next to impossible, as a land lord, to keep track of who lives where - when I do an eviction I always add and "et al" to the name that is on the lease as there are always more or less people living in a place

[Itaryl Moosee]

About the supposed inspector that was supposed to visit the family within days of the disappearance... has it been explained?

Could he had been an immigration official?

Sorry to be out of the loop, but I'm trying to catch up.

[Itaryl Moosee]

seeing as she is being charged with writing the fake ransom note, if there is any way for them to prove she set the fire, assuming she did...

One would think that the authorities would wait for the homicide investigation to be done and charges brought up against Ms. Baker before charging her with writing the fake ransom note.

I mean, to include all possible charges against her in one big case.

Guessing that it is a strategy to put their hands on her, so she can break down and confess.

Getting a confession out of her (hopefully will hold up in court) for the ransom note was sort of brilliant.

[Nut44x4]

This is like a Stephen King Horror movie........brought to real life. 

[bananas]

This is like a Stephen King Horror movie........brought to real life. 

I agree and the cast of characters is really creepy.

[Tolerance]

Ask anyone.............family, friends, neighbors............anyone.
I am a 'softie', usually able to find good in each person I meet............and a sucker for almost anyone's 'story'
Now this being said..........

I watched the video of the interview with Adam Baker.
I found him believable.

Notice I did not say that I feel he is free of any responsibility here.  I believe he was not a good father or protector for Zahra.

But believable.

Am I alone in this reaction?

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25405526/index.html

[bananas]

Ask anyone.............family, friends, neighbors............anyone.
I am a 'softie', usually able to find good in each person I meet............and a sucker for almost anyone's 'story'
Now this being said..........

I watched the video of the interview with Adam Baker.
I found him believable.

Notice I did not say that I feel he is free of any responsibility here.  I believe he was not a good father or protector for Zahra.

But believable.

Am I alone in this reaction?

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25405526/index.html

I am really thinking he is like an ostrich with his head stuck in the sand.  I think gothicwife really had him bamboozled and he has always let the women take care of home and the kids.  A weak man but is he guilty of conspiracy in the murder of his daughter?  I really don't think so.

[pink angel]

seeing as she is being charged with writing the fake ransom note, if there is any way for them to prove she set the fire, assuming she did...

One would think that the authorities would wait for the homicide investigation to be done and charges brought up against Ms. Baker before charging her with writing the fake ransom note.

I mean, to include all possible charges against her in one big case.

Guessing that it is a strategy to put their hands on her, so she can break down and confess.

Getting a confession out of her (hopefully will hold up in court) for the ransom note was sort of brilliant.

She was arrested on the warrants for the checks/etc...so they could put her feet to the fire and it worked enough to get a confession on the ransom note before she lawyered up.  So they charged her with obstruction.

If arson investigators determine it was set by her, they can add that charge, they can also add homicide charges.



Casey Anthony was arrested/charged much the same way.

[Deenie]

I have not kept up in the last day, I may be behind. One thing that has not changed is that
 " Zahra" has not been found.

I do not know if this has been posted, but.. I will post it here. It is a radio podcast of Kim Drum " Mother of Brittaney Bentley, with Brittaney Bentley - being interviewed by Tara Servatius from WBTV news. 

http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=461228

You have to look to the right, You will see it in RED - Click Below
 to hear Tara's interview
with Ms. Brittany Bently
the wife of Elisa Baker's nephew
and Brittany's mother, Ms. Kim Drum
---
I listened to this earlier today. Brittaney confessing that she was buying drugs from Elisa Baker - inside the same home of where Zahra lived and she herself was messed up - when she saw Zahra being treated less than dirt.

Kim Drum stating that Brittany told her/Kim many times that Zahra was being abused and mistreated  - Yet Kim didn't take Brittney seriously because Brittaney was a Junkie
( basically) that she was possibly lying or ?? when she made claims of Zahra being mistreated. Both claiming now that Brittney is not doing drugs/ and has been reformed. I don't know what to think of these people.  They gain no stickers to their foreheads - that is for sure.

 

[pink angel]

I have not kept up in the last day, I may be behind. One thing that has not changed is that
 " Zahra" has not been found.

I do not know if this has been posted, but.. I will post it here. It is a radio podcast of Kim Drum " Mother of Brittaney Bentley, with Brittaney Bentley - being interviewed by Tara Servatius from WBTV news. 

http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=461228

You have to look to the right, You will see it in RED - Click Below
 to hear Tara's interview
with Ms. Brittany Bently
the wife of Elisa Baker's nephew
and Brittany's mother, Ms. Kim Drum
---
I listened to this earlier today. Brittaney confessing that she was buying drugs from Elisa Baker - inside the same home of where Zahra lived and she herself was messed up - when she saw Zahra being treated less than dirt.

Kim Drum stating that Brittany told her/Kim many times that Zahra was being abused and mistreated  - Yet Kim didn't take Brittney seriously because Brittaney was a Junkie
( basically) that she was possibly lying or ?? when she made claims of Zahra being mistreated. Both claiming now that Brittney is not doing drugs/ and has been reformed. I don't know what to think of these people.  They gain no stickers to their foreheads - that is for sure.

 

They are just making excuses NOW since they saw everyone complaining on blogs/forums/etc... after they said they did nothing in their first interview on GMA/in the media.

I don't buy it.

My brother is an alcoholic and has been for years but if he told me he saw his friend's child being beat, I would help him call DSS.

JMO

[Deenie]

Pink did you listen to the podcast?

The gal pulling no punches nor offering sympathy to either Kim nor Brittany.

Its a worthy listen, she the show host - asking questions from those who emailed and she herself being " up front"   - her asking KIM who was said to have " Zahra" on the weekends.

Tara saying if this child was " being abused" and you were aware, she came to your house for overnight stays - and YOU allowed her to leave your house..to go back to her abusers

Tara going on to say " If I knew" this child was being abused in any way and I had her in the safety of my home - I would have been arrested for not letting her go, Let them call the police .. I would do that, Just for this child.  Seems with all of these people who Zahra was left with - Nothing computes. Nothing at all.

Its so disturbing Pink, soo disturbing.

[4 Donks]

Ask anyone.............family, friends, neighbors............anyone.
I am a 'softie', usually able to find good in each person I meet............and a sucker for almost anyone's 'story'
Now this being said..........

I watched the video of the interview with Adam Baker.
I found him believable.

Notice I did not say that I feel he is free of any responsibility here.  I believe he was not a good father or protector for Zahra.

But believable.

Am I alone in this reaction?

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25405526/index.html

I am really thinking he is like an ostrich with his head stuck in the sand.  I think gothicwife really had him bamboozled and he has always let the women take care of home and the kids.  A weak man but is he guilty of conspiracy in the murder of his daughter?  I really don't think so.

My problem with dad is he has a warrant for assault with a deadly weapon and was thrown out of the apt for loud physical fights inside and outside the apt. In the interviews you don't see that side of him.

[Deenie]

What really pizzes me off - I am now listening again to this podcast

http://www.wbtv.com/global/link.asp?l=461228

THESE Are Adults - BOTH Women Adults " Mothers" - Who knew that this little girl was being " treated like human garbage" and Yet they both have " Every Excuse Under the Sun" of Why they didn't PROTECT HER !

They make claims of " I knew Zahra was Scared to Death to say anything against Elisa" -

HELLO this is a 10 year old " hearing disabled " Child with health issues - removed from her world in AU to be treated like less than a hand me down .. Worthless. To be saddled with this Scum bag Elisa. They had to have known that DAD was no better than Elisa.
 
 


 

[pink angel]

Ask anyone.............family, friends, neighbors............anyone.
I am a 'softie', usually able to find good in each person I meet............and a sucker for almost anyone's 'story'
Now this being said..........

I watched the video of the interview with Adam Baker.
I found him believable.

Notice I did not say that I feel he is free of any responsibility here.  I believe he was not a good father or protector for Zahra.

But believable.

Am I alone in this reaction?

http://www.wsoctv.com/video/25405526/index.html

I am really thinking he is like an ostrich with his head stuck in the sand.  I think gothicwife really had him bamboozled and he has always let the women take care of home and the kids.  A weak man but is he guilty of conspiracy in the murder of his daughter?  I really don't think so.

My problem with dad is he has a warrant for assault with a deadly weapon and was thrown out of the apt for loud physical fights inside and outside the apt. In the interviews you don't see that side of him.

His outstanding warrants are only for bad checks. I believe the threat charges were dismissed.

Police said Adam Baker also faces bad-check charges, but is not being arrested while he assists police.
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/10/14/north.carolina.missing.girl/