Kyron Horman, 7 years old, PORTLAND, OR #35 11/11/10 - 11/21/10

[Grey]

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'The emails back up her suspicions even more" -

Oh boy, do they ever!

With the water search going on, I also wonder if they are, in their own way, trying to brace Desiree for the very worst outcome. 

You may be right. LE may be doing what they can to help Desiree emotionally. Desiree has barely held herself together in press conferences, and I would imagine that she is more fragile in private. Until they find a body, they cannot prove to Desiree that he is gone, and she will never believe it without a body unless Terri confesses. Even then Desiree might hope Terri is lying.

[no rose colored glasses]

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'The emails back up her suspicions even more" -

Oh boy, do they ever!

With the water search going on, I also wonder if they are, in their own way, trying to brace Desiree for the very worst outcome. 

You may be right. LE may be doing what they can to help Desiree emotionally. Desiree has barely held herself together in press conferences, and I would imagine that she is more fragile in private. Until they find a body, they cannot prove to Desiree that he is gone, and she will never believe it without a body unless Terri confesses. Even then Desiree might hope Terri is lying.

Does anyone think that perhaps in one of the emails there was mention of the water and the island? I don't mean she said anything like she would do harm to Kyron and dispose of him in the water. Maybe some comments that the police have looked at there were suspicious.

[Grey]

I know how to write an email and delete, I delete all of them everyday except if some are very important. I never gave it any thought that once they are deleted are they gone forever? There probably must be some way of getting them, maybe? What I would like to know if these friends showed the police the emails right away? Or were they deleted and they were recovered?

Nope. Not gone forever. I've heard that even reformatting the hard drive won't get rid of files. Sometimes the files are not whole, but enough is there to help in investigations. The sooner the files are recovered, the better the condition they will be in. With today's recovery programs, it could be that everything can be recovered in tact.

The delete button is a toy that hides files that are in your way. If you really want files deleted, drill holes through the hard drive. Maybe an acid bath too.

If you want to recover files on your computer, there are programs available at your local computer store or online. It has been years since I have used one, but it was easy to use.

LE can also subpoena your internet provider for their files.

If you put anything in writing, make sure it is something you don't mind the world reading. Case in point ... Terri ...

[BabsKats]

I know how to write an email and delete, I delete all of them everyday except if some are very important. I never gave it any thought that once they are deleted are they gone forever? There probably must be some way of getting them, maybe? What I would like to know if these friends showed the police the emails right away? Or were they deleted and they were recovered?

Nope. Not gone forever. I've heard that even reformatting the hard drive won't get rid of files. Sometimes the files are not whole, but enough is there to help in investigations. The sooner the files are recovered, the better the condition they will be in. With today's recovery programs, it could be that everything can be recovered in tact.

The delete button is a toy that hides files that are in your way. If you really want files deleted, drill holes through the hard drive. Maybe an acid bath too.

If you want to recover files on your computer, there are programs available at your local computer store or online. It has been years since I have used one, but it was easy to use.

LE can also subpoena your internet provider for their files.

If you put anything in writing, make sure it is something you don't mind the world reading. Case in point ... Terri ...

So true, remember the Menendez Brothers, thought they had gotten away with shooting their parents.....Had Super tech friend "erase" the hard drive etc., didn't take L.A.P.D. anytime at all to retrieve all their correspondence, nothing on a puter is permanently gone unless you destroy the Hard drive.

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks for the computer info, you have to wonder with people that commit crimes, why don't they destroy their hard drive?

[Angiex911dsptchr]

I know how to write an email and delete, I delete all of them everyday except if some are very important. I never gave it any thought that once they are deleted are they gone forever? There probably must be some way of getting them, maybe? What I would like to know if these friends showed the police the emails right away? Or were they deleted and they were recovered?

Nope. Not gone forever. I've heard that even reformatting the hard drive won't get rid of files. Sometimes the files are not whole, but enough is there to help in investigations. The sooner the files are recovered, the better the condition they will be in. With today's recovery programs, it could be that everything can be recovered in tact.

The delete button is a toy that hides files that are in your way. If you really want files deleted, drill holes through the hard drive. Maybe an acid bath too.

If you want to recover files on your computer, there are programs available at your local computer store or online. It has been years since I have used one, but it was easy to use.

LE can also subpoena your internet provider for their files.

If you put anything in writing, make sure it is something you don't mind the world reading. Case in point ... Terri ...

 Grey is correct NRCC.. I was reading and thinking of how to put it into words. lol   I know this from when I worked at 911 and have spoken to detectives. It also costs a hell of alot of $$$ to check someones hardrive,, I know someone who had to get his EX wife checked out and it costs him thousands..Detectives checked emails.. bank accounts.. you name it.. she had it deleted of course but info still on the HD.  She raked him over the coals.. <the man I know> .  I havnt posted and been reading off and on. Keeping Kyron in my prayers. I feel bad for Desiree and Kaine.. BUT.. <and I am sorry> for some reason I have not been found of Kaine from the beginning.. and after seeing the last few videos.. I still dont like the man. My heart breaks for him..but.. he just seems like a very controlling person IMO.. and hiding things from the mother of his child.. well.. thats just bullshit. 
Its a shame she has to find things out from others. Been praying Kyron is alive.. but I just dont think he is anymore.    So sad .
 Poor little Zahra Baker too.. that really broke my heart. Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. 

[Grey]

Thanks for the computer info, you have to wonder with people that commit crimes, why don't they destroy their hard drive?

Ah, but they believe that they are all-powerful as is their belief the delete key. Terri probably did not even delete her files, or if she did, it was at the last minute.

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks for the computer info, you have to wonder with people that commit crimes, why don't they destroy their hard drive?

Ah, but they believe that they are all-powerful as is their belief the delete key. Terri probably did not even delete her files, or if she did, it was at the last minute.

I wouldn't have known what to do, but there is nothing on mine that I would fear.  Angiex911dsptchr  thank-you for the information, sounds to me like it is a good idea not to ever use your computer for a list of things, or you will get caught eventually.

[Grey]

For those wondering if LE found the emails on Terri's computer or if her friends came forward with the emails, it is probably both. But, those who received the emails and did not come forward have some explaining to do, and LE is open for business.
 

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Must go and run the sweeper. Have my 19th old Grandaughter here.. walked out of the room for 5 minutes to throw wood in the woodburner.. post a post.. and she took her shirt off and smashed all of her gold fish crackers on the floor. LOL
Prayers for Kyron. Check back later>

[Angiex911dsptchr]

For those wondering if LE found the emails on Terri's computer or if her friends came forward with the emails, it is probably both. But, those who received the emails and did not come forward have some explaining to do, and LE is open for business.
 

I agree...

[Tamikosmom]

Hi Angie

 

Janet

[Grey]

I know how to write an email and delete, I delete all of them everyday except if some are very important. I never gave it any thought that once they are deleted are they gone forever? There probably must be some way of getting them, maybe? What I would like to know if these friends showed the police the emails right away? Or were they deleted and they were recovered?

Nope. Not gone forever. I've heard that even reformatting the hard drive won't get rid of files. Sometimes the files are not whole, but enough is there to help in investigations. The sooner the files are recovered, the better the condition they will be in. With today's recovery programs, it could be that everything can be recovered in tact.

The delete button is a toy that hides files that are in your way. If you really want files deleted, drill holes through the hard drive. Maybe an acid bath too.

If you want to recover files on your computer, there are programs available at your local computer store or online. It has been years since I have used one, but it was easy to use.

LE can also subpoena your internet provider for their files.

If you put anything in writing, make sure it is something you don't mind the world reading. Case in point ... Terri ...

 Grey is correct NRCC.. I was reading and thinking of how to put it into words. lol   I know this from when I worked at 911 and have spoken to detectives. It also costs a hell of alot of $$$ to check someones hardrive,, I know someone who had to get his EX wife checked out and it costs him thousands..Detectives checked emails.. bank accounts.. you name it.. she had it deleted of course but info still on the HD.  She raked him over the coals.. <the man I know> .  I havnt posted and been reading off and on. Keeping Kyron in my prayers. I feel bad for Desiree and Kaine.. BUT.. <and I am sorry> for some reason I have not been found of Kaine from the beginning.. and after seeing the last few videos.. I still dont like the man. My heart breaks for him..but.. he just seems like a very controlling person IMO.. and hiding things from the mother of his child.. well.. thats just bullshit. 
Its a shame she has to find things out from others. Been praying Kyron is alive.. but I just dont think he is anymore.    So sad .
 Poor little Zahra Baker too.. that really broke my heart. Ughhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. 

Thanks for backing me up, Angiex911dsptchr.

I need to clear up what I said about a recovery program being easy to use. It is easy if you need to recover one or two files and you know the directory/folder it was in.

To go through a whole computer for live and deleted files is a time-consuming task. LE has to look through all files in order to locate those related to the investigation. Files can be hidden in program directories. File extensions can be renamed, i.e., change the name a text file, *.txt, to a graphics file, *.jpg., then change the file extension back to the correct one to open it.

[Blonde]

 Did I just hear their is a new search going on today?

[Kokos Cat]

Hi, Monks. 
 
Sorry if this is redundant, but does anyone know what time Kaine is speaking today at the Wall of Hope?
Thanks.

Also....  Blonde, you heard about a search, today, Monday?  On the news, or??? Can you link us up, please?
 

TIA,

K. Cat
 

[Tracygirl]

Another heartbreaking case of custody disputes which end up with the children paying the price. If parents can just put the interest of the children above the interest of anything else, perhaps these cases wouldn't end in such horrible ways.
Desiree should have been informed of the trouble in the house, it was inappropriate that she was not told. Kyron should have been allowed to live with his mother if he wanted to live with her, especially given the problems in the household that kaine has spoken of. That is not being a monday morning quarterback, that is common sense.

[Grey]

Did I just hear their is a new search going on today?

Yeah. I've heard the divers are out again today, but I don't have a good source for the info.

[Blonde]

Search for Kyron Horman: Dive Teams Scour Sauvie Island Waters
Authorities Hoping Changing Weather Conditions Near Sauvie Island Hope to Turn Up New Evidence

By NEAL KARLINSKY, SARAH NETTER and DEAN SCHABNER
Nov. 15, 2010


Authorities have returned to the waters near an Oregon island hoping to find new evidence that would lead them to the missing 8-year-old boy Kyron Horman.


About 50 paid workers, divers and volunteers scoured Sauvie Island, not far from the little boy's home, in search of new evidence that may have turned up as a result of changing weather patterns.

"When you have water levels that are changing, there's some idea if Kyron or some other evidence has been lurking on the bottom of that muddy flat all summer, it might actually get dislodged," said retired Multnomah County Sheriff's Captain Bruce McCain.

So far, authorities say, they have found nothing of note.

Kyron, who would be 8 years old by now, has been missing for nearly six months. His father, birth mother and the police have all pointed fingers at the boy's stepmother, Terri Horman, but she has not been charged or even named a person of interest.


Authorities said this weekend that the new Sauvie Island search, which has been thoroughly combed in the past several months, was based on an ongoing investigation, not any new leads.

The boy's father, Kaine Horman, has taken his estranged wife's silence in the case as an admission of guilt, according to court documents.

In court filings from last week in the couple's ongoing divorce, an attorney for Kaine Horman wrote that "one can only infer that Mother will not speak because her testimony will lead to criminal liability for Kyron's disappearance. Until Mother denies the allegation, there can be no other inferences drawn."


Kaine Horman has been outspoken about what he believes to be Terri Horman's involvement in the case. Three months ago, he and Kyron's mother, Desiree Young, appeared on "Good Morning America" to accuse Terri Horman of taking their son.

"You will go to jail, and whoever has been helping you, if they don't talk, they will go to jail," Young said in August.

"I really believe that you want to do the right thing here and bring Kyron home," she said.

Terri Horman was the last known person to see Kyron on June 4 when he left her to go to class at his elementary school following an early-morning science fair.

Terri Horman has remained steadfastly silent through most of the investigation, only releasing brief statements through her attorney that she did not have anything to do with Kyron's disappearance.

Suspicion Continues to Mount Against Terri Horman, Possible Accomplice

Kaine Horman filed for divorce shortly after his son disappeared after being told that she had allegedly tried to hire someone to kill him.

He was also granted a restraining order keeping his wife away from him and their young daughter.

Police said there have been several discrepancies in Terri Horman's story. Over the summer they released a picture of her white truck in hopes of finding witnesses who saw her in the company of someone else the morning of Kyron's disappearance.
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There is suspicion that Terri Horman's close friend DeDe Spicher was that person. Though there have been reports that Spicher was unaccounted for on the morning of June 4, she has repeatedly denied that she knows anything about Kyron's disappearance.


Spicher was subpoenaed by a grand jury this summer. Like Terri Horman, she has not been charged or named a person of interest.

Kyron was last seen walking toward his Skyline Elementary School classroom after he had proudly displayed his science fair project on tree frogs.

He was last seen wearing a "CSI" T-shirt and black cargo pants.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/kyron-horman-case-dive-team-scours-sauvie-island/story?id=12149528&page=2

[no rose colored glasses]

Another heartbreaking case of custody disputes which end up with the children paying the price. If parents can just put the interest of the children above the interest of anything else, perhaps these cases wouldn't end in such horrible ways.
Desiree should have been informed of the trouble in the house, it was inappropriate that she was not told. Kyron should have been allowed to live with his mother if he wanted to live with her, especially given the problems in the household that kaine has spoken of. That is not being a monday morning quarterback, that is common sense.

I totally agree, and like I said in a previous post, it just amazes me the games some couples play and the children are in the middle, it is all very sad 

[wildmala]

Hi, Monks. 
 
Sorry if this is redundant, but does anyone know what time Kaine is speaking today at the Wall of Hope?
Thanks.

Also....  Blonde, you heard about a search, today, Monday?  On the news, or??? Can you link us up, please?
 

TIA,

K. Cat
 

When I was watching a video on a previous post, the reporter on that newscast stated 10:30.