Kyron Horman, 7 years old, PORTLAND, OR #35 11/11/10 - 11/21/10

[fatcatlurker]

Here we go with "sources state" again;

Sources told KGW that the emails were sent from Terri to an extended member of the family in the weeks just before Kyron's disappearance.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Exclusive--Kyron-Hormans-Mom-Talks-About-Disturbing-Emails--108170584.html

[fatcatlurker]

Desiree says in the video that Terri "Expresses her hatred for Kyron" in the emails not that she states she hates him.

[Tracygirl]

Thanks IM for the Seamus O'Riley blog, I enjoy reading his take of things in several cases.   The thing that I don't get, why would you say things like that in an email, about hating someone, and whatever else was said, and then turn around and harm that person? That makes no sense to me, it would lead right back to you, so why do it?

Perhaps we are trying to figure it out in terms of what a mentally healthy person would do rather then a person who is acting unstable. So if Terri is infact mentally unstable, would she write to her "friend" about a hatred she felt for Kyron, complaining about him in such a way that would lead his mother to believe she is capable of killing him? Who would this friend be? I think it still would be somebody close to Terri, somebody she trusted with that information. She had tried to get Desiree to take Kyron and Kaine said no, so was she trying to plead her case to someone as to why she wanted Kyron to go back to Desiree. I am thinking these two things are connected because it was released at the same time. Could be off by a mile but we don't know.

[Puzzler]

Thank you IslandMonkey for posting the statement analysis. I agree Kaine is painting himself into a corner. I wonder if he will be charged with failure to protect.

If recollection serves me well, Desiree made comments (words to the effect) that Kaine had several opportunites to let her and Tony know what was going on and Kaine chose not to do so and that she can no longer support the decisions that Kaine is making (which is a statement about Kaine's "current" decisions - boy - there's more to that, too).

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks IM for the Seamus O'Riley blog, I enjoy reading his take of things in several cases.   The thing that I don't get, why would you say things like that in an email, about hating someone, and whatever else was said, and then turn around and harm that person? That makes no sense to me, it would lead right back to you, so why do it?

Maybe the words "I hate" weren't there (because "why" would anyone do that in this day?) - but maybe the "statements" made led Desiree to come to the conclusion that Terri hated Kyron.  Desiree is firm in her believe that Terri hated Kyron.  So...maybe Terri said some things about Kyron that Desiree didn't agree with and concludes that Terri just hates Kyron.

A statement from Terri like:  I wish Desiree would just take Kyron back.  Without any background as to why that statement is being made would lead someone to believe that Kyron was disliked so much as to want him to go back to his mother.  The question is:  Why would a statement like that be made?  Why would Terri want Desiree to take Kyron back?  We don't know that answer...yet.

 

True, and I doubt if those emails will be released to the public.

[no rose colored glasses]

Here we go with "sources state" again;

Sources told KGW that the emails were sent from Terri to an extended member of the family in the weeks just before Kyron's disappearance.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Exclusive--Kyron-Hormans-Mom-Talks-About-Disturbing-Emails--108170584.html

Thank-you

[Puzzler]

Desiree says in the video that Terri "Expresses her hatred for Kyron" in the emails not that she states she hates him.

FCL - TY.   So, conclusions were made about what Terri said...not that Terri said she hated Kyron.  (I'm not defending the emails...just trying to get the "facts" straight in my mind).  I'm sure that Terri made it clear she wanted Desiree to have custody of Kyron.  Desiree even says that she and Terri talked about it.  But "why"?  It's a big deal because Kaine says "no, not an option".  Right there is Terri/Desiree vs. Kaine with respect to custody of Kyron. 

Wow, just wow!

[Puzzler]

Here we go with "sources state" again;

Sources told KGW that the emails were sent from Terri to an extended member of the family in the weeks just before Kyron's disappearance.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Exclusive--Kyron-Hormans-Mom-Talks-About-Disturbing-Emails--108170584.html

Thank-you

Terri blamed a lot of the marital problems on Kyron - that shows the intensity of Terri thinking Kyron should be with Desiree and Kaine saying it's not an option.  So sad.  Something's really going on here that we don't know yet...just a partial glimpse into these emails.

[Puzzler]

Thanks IM for the Seamus O'Riley blog, I enjoy reading his take of things in several cases.   The thing that I don't get, why would you say things like that in an email, about hating someone, and whatever else was said, and then turn around and harm that person? That makes no sense to me, it would lead right back to you, so why do it?

Maybe the words "I hate" weren't there (because "why" would anyone do that in this day?) - but maybe the "statements" made led Desiree to come to the conclusion that Terri hated Kyron.  Desiree is firm in her believe that Terri hated Kyron.  So...maybe Terri said some things about Kyron that Desiree didn't agree with and concludes that Terri just hates Kyron.

A statement from Terri like:  I wish Desiree would just take Kyron back.  Without any background as to why that statement is being made would lead someone to believe that Kyron was disliked so much as to want him to go back to his mother.  The question is:  Why would a statement like that be made?  Why would Terri want Desiree to take Kyron back?  We don't know that answer...yet.

 

True, and I doubt if those emails will be released to the public.

NRCG - Agree that it's doubtfuly those emails will be realeased to the public - so "who" released the couple of emails we're hearing about?

[Tracygirl]

Here we go with "sources state" again;

Sources told KGW that the emails were sent from Terri to an extended member of the family in the weeks just before Kyron's disappearance.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/Exclusive--Kyron-Hormans-Mom-Talks-About-Disturbing-Emails--108170584.html

Thanks for posting. So it could be a trusted family member she sent the email to. What was the intent of the email and why just weeks before Kyron disappears was it written.

[sebastian]

Thanks IM for the Seamus O'Riley blog, I enjoy reading his take of things in several cases.   The thing that I don't get, why would you say things like that in an email, about hating someone, and whatever else was said, and then turn around and harm that person? That makes no sense to me, it would lead right back to you, so why do it?

Maybe the words "I hate" weren't there (because "why" would anyone do that in this day?) - but maybe the "statements" made led Desiree to come to the conclusion that Terri hated Kyron.  Desiree is firm in her believe that Terri hated Kyron.  So...maybe Terri said some things about Kyron that Desiree didn't agree with and concludes that Terri just hates Kyron.

A statement from Terri like:  I wish Desiree would just take Kyron back.  Without any background as to why that statement is being made would lead someone to believe that Kyron was disliked so much as to want him to go back to his mother.  The question is:  Why would a statement like that be made?  Why would Terri want Desiree to take Kyron back?  We don't know that answer...yet.

 

True, and I doubt if those emails will be released to the public.

NRCG - Agree that it's doubtfuly those emails will be realeased to the public - so "who" released the couple of emails we're hearing about?


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Exactly! How long has LE had these emails and why are they just now being released?

[no rose colored glasses]

Thanks IM for the Seamus O'Riley blog, I enjoy reading his take of things in several cases.   The thing that I don't get, why would you say things like that in an email, about hating someone, and whatever else was said, and then turn around and harm that person? That makes no sense to me, it would lead right back to you, so why do it?

Maybe the words "I hate" weren't there (because "why" would anyone do that in this day?) - but maybe the "statements" made led Desiree to come to the conclusion that Terri hated Kyron.  Desiree is firm in her believe that Terri hated Kyron.  So...maybe Terri said some things about Kyron that Desiree didn't agree with and concludes that Terri just hates Kyron.

A statement from Terri like:  I wish Desiree would just take Kyron back.  Without any background as to why that statement is being made would lead someone to believe that Kyron was disliked so much as to want him to go back to his mother.  The question is:  Why would a statement like that be made?  Why would Terri want Desiree to take Kyron back?  We don't know that answer...yet.

 

True, and I doubt if those emails will be released to the public.

NRCG - Agree that it's doubtfuly those emails will be realeased to the public - so "who" released the couple of emails we're hearing about?

I sure don't know, but it doesn't make sense to release them, maybe the person Terri emailed too?

[sebastian]

I have to say that one of the most incredible things to come out in this case recently, to me anyways, is Desiree's admission that Terri wanted Desiree to have custody of Kyron. I just find that so odd for some hinky reason. I cannot put it in a nutshell exactly, but it goes against everything that I had surmised about Terri. I guess I look at it this way. From all accounts (whether true or false), Terri did the majority of the work raising Kyron. Who knows what her motives were. She had him since he was a baby. It is just odd to me that Terri would be willing to just hand Kyron over to Desiree after all of the time and supposed love that she had vested in him. Could it be that once Kiara was born, Terri realized how much that Desiree was missing? Or could it be that Terri wanted to help Desiree get custody so that she could stab Kaine? So, Terri tells Desiree that she wants Desiree to have custody? What happened from there? Was there any sort of plan set into motion? Did Desiree get on board with Terri? Desiree states that she never trusted Terri, so did Desiree tell Kaine of Terri's wishes? When exactly did Terri tell Desiree this? How soon before Kyron went missing?

Good questions, I think Kitty became her focus and I think she could have resented Kyron for reasons that IMO were misplaced anger of how she felt about Kaine...I think she might have worried about the fact that he might cheat on her since history does repeat itself and if she didn't have to vest so much in Kyron, and could focus all on Kitty. I honestly don't know, but I do wonder if Desiree shared that with Kaine and if she did what was his reaction? Did he discuss it with her and listen to her worries or minimize it as no big deal.......no clue about the timing of those calls, so many question and one fact, KYRON IS MISSING. I wonder if Kaine and Terri had other families they would get together with and have family night with all the kids and such because it just seems like no one is willing to talk it, including grandparents so I am baffled at the silence from everyone and don't really know what to make of it except something feels "off" and I can't put my finger on it

O/T ~ how long ago did you live in P-Cola?

Hi Island Monkey,
I lived there years ago as a child. My family lived in the area for many years. We lived on the water in Gulf Breeze. It is so gorgeous there!

I wish we knew when Terri started having these discussions with Desiree about Desiree obtaining custody of Kyron.

[Puzzler]

Thanks IM for the Seamus O'Riley blog, I enjoy reading his take of things in several cases.   The thing that I don't get, why would you say things like that in an email, about hating someone, and whatever else was said, and then turn around and harm that person? That makes no sense to me, it would lead right back to you, so why do it?

Maybe the words "I hate" weren't there (because "why" would anyone do that in this day?) - but maybe the "statements" made led Desiree to come to the conclusion that Terri hated Kyron.  Desiree is firm in her believe that Terri hated Kyron.  So...maybe Terri said some things about Kyron that Desiree didn't agree with and concludes that Terri just hates Kyron.

A statement from Terri like:  I wish Desiree would just take Kyron back.  Without any background as to why that statement is being made would lead someone to believe that Kyron was disliked so much as to want him to go back to his mother.  The question is:  Why would a statement like that be made?  Why would Terri want Desiree to take Kyron back?  We don't know that answer...yet.

 

True, and I doubt if those emails will be released to the public.

NRCG - Agree that it's doubtfuly those emails will be realeased to the public - so "who" released the couple of emails we're hearing about?


[/quote}

Exactly! How long has LE had these emails and why are they just now being released?

I've read in other forums that LE has had these emails for a long time.  Why they're just now released - IMO - is nothing going on in the news about Kyron, so LE informed Kaine/Desiree about them to get the parents to get it out in the spotlight.  I don't like LE using the grieving parents in that manner.  I think the emails have come out now to exert yet more pressure on Terri.  IMO, that is a mistake as it has obviously hurt Desiree/Kaine and Terri is not going to say any more than she's already said many times before she hired a lawyer.   

[sebastian]

Thanks IM for the Seamus O'Riley blog, I enjoy reading his take of things in several cases.   The thing that I don't get, why would you say things like that in an email, about hating someone, and whatever else was said, and then turn around and harm that person? That makes no sense to me, it would lead right back to you, so why do it?

Maybe the words "I hate" weren't there (because "why" would anyone do that in this day?) - but maybe the "statements" made led Desiree to come to the conclusion that Terri hated Kyron.  Desiree is firm in her believe that Terri hated Kyron.  So...maybe Terri said some things about Kyron that Desiree didn't agree with and concludes that Terri just hates Kyron.

A statement from Terri like:  I wish Desiree would just take Kyron back.  Without any background as to why that statement is being made would lead someone to believe that Kyron was disliked so much as to want him to go back to his mother.  The question is:  Why would a statement like that be made?  Why would Terri want Desiree to take Kyron back?  We don't know that answer...yet.

 

True, and I doubt if those emails will be released to the public.

NRCG - Agree that it's doubtfuly those emails will be realeased to the public - so "who" released the couple of emails we're hearing about?


[/quote}

Exactly! How long has LE had these emails and why are they just now being released?

I've read in other forums that LE has had these emails for a long time.  Why they're just now released - IMO - is nothing going on in the news about Kyron, so LE informed Kaine/Desiree about them to get the parents to get it out in the spotlight.  I don't like LE using the grieving parents in that manner.  I think the emails have come out now to exert yet more pressure on Terri.  IMO, that is a mistake as it has obviously hurt Desiree/Kaine and Terri is not going to say any more than she's already said many times before she hired a lawyer.   

I agree Puzzler! Desiree looks like she is going to lose it at any moment. I hate that she is being used in this way. On the other hand, maybe she is demanding all info at this point and that would be her right! Desiree just makes me so dang sad! I just want to hug her!

[Monkey King]

Thanks IM for the Seamus O'Riley blog, I enjoy reading his take of things in several cases.   The thing that I don't get, why would you say things like that in an email, about hating someone, and whatever else was said, and then turn around and harm that person? That makes no sense to me, it would lead right back to you, so why do it?

Maybe the words "I hate" weren't there (because "why" would anyone do that in this day?) - but maybe the "statements" made led Desiree to come to the conclusion that Terri hated Kyron.  Desiree is firm in her believe that Terri hated Kyron.  So...maybe Terri said some things about Kyron that Desiree didn't agree with and concludes that Terri just hates Kyron.

A statement from Terri like:  I wish Desiree would just take Kyron back.  Without any background as to why that statement is being made would lead someone to believe that Kyron was disliked so much as to want him to go back to his mother.  The question is:  Why would a statement like that be made?  Why would Terri want Desiree to take Kyron back?  We don't know that answer...yet.

 

True, and I doubt if those emails will be released to the public.

NRCG - Agree that it's doubtfuly those emails will be realeased to the public - so "who" released the couple of emails we're hearing about?

I think we can guess at the "who" once it is determined "why"?

Who will benefit the most from the mails?  Hmm...?

[Puzzler]

Thanks IM for the Seamus O'Riley blog, I enjoy reading his take of things in several cases.   The thing that I don't get, why would you say things like that in an email, about hating someone, and whatever else was said, and then turn around and harm that person? That makes no sense to me, it would lead right back to you, so why do it?

Maybe the words "I hate" weren't there (because "why" would anyone do that in this day?) - but maybe the "statements" made led Desiree to come to the conclusion that Terri hated Kyron.  Desiree is firm in her believe that Terri hated Kyron.  So...maybe Terri said some things about Kyron that Desiree didn't agree with and concludes that Terri just hates Kyron.

A statement from Terri like:  I wish Desiree would just take Kyron back.  Without any background as to why that statement is being made would lead someone to believe that Kyron was disliked so much as to want him to go back to his mother.  The question is:  Why would a statement like that be made?  Why would Terri want Desiree to take Kyron back?  We don't know that answer...yet.

 

True, and I doubt if those emails will be released to the public.

NRCG - Agree that it's doubtfuly those emails will be realeased to the public - so "who" released the couple of emails we're hearing about?

I think we can guess at the "who" once it is determined "why"?

Who will benefit the most from the mails?  Hmm...?

Good point.  Who will benefit is probably the answer to who released. 

But, we're not privy to what's in all of the emails...just snippets...so who is benefitting from the "selective snippits" we're being told about?

[Tracygirl]

Desiree says in the video that Terri "Expresses her hatred for Kyron" in the emails not that she states she hates him.

FCL - TY.   So, conclusions were made about what Terri said...not that Terri said she hated Kyron.  (I'm not defending the emails...just trying to get the "facts" straight in my mind).  I'm sure that Terri made it clear she wanted Desiree to have custody of Kyron.  Desiree even says that she and Terri talked about it.  But "why"?  It's a big deal because Kaine says "no, not an option".  Right there is Terri/Desiree vs. Kaine with respect to custody of Kyron. 

Wow, just wow!

Terri asked Desiree to take Kyron a year before he disappeared, Kaine said no.
Terri had expressed she wanted James to go stay with her parents. Kaine didn't want James to go away. She sent her son to her parents while Kaine was on a business trip. She waited until he couldn't stop her from doing what she wanted to do, send James away. I have always wondered why Kaine didn't want James to stay with his grandparents. James is Terri's son, not Kaines and he has no rights to him. From the sounds of it, Terri made a good decision to send James away. James did well there and even got the chance to know his father. Another point, Kaine, as far as we know, had not spoken to James since Terri left the house. This tells me he didn't have a particularily close relationship with James.
So what does all of this tell us, if anything?

[Scatty]

Good morning Monkeys.

I am finding myself frustrated and can't put into words exactly what I am feeling, which is making me more frustrated. I feel as though I am being manipulated into thinking a certain thing and I do few for day and then it dawns on me, wait I still don't know the answers to these other questions.

It is telling to me that Desiree said Terri asked for her to take Kyron. Why did she want her to do that? Was she trying to protect Kyron from either herself or from something she feared would happen to him? She sent James away she tried to send Kyron away...Why? Is it because of the reasons we are being told or being lead to believe?

Who did Terri confide in with some damaging information such as that she hates Kyron? Think about how many people in your life you would tell such a thing to? For me, if I had such thoughts I suppose I would tell a very trusted best friend, my husband, a trusted family member..I would fear being judged or hated. It makes me wonder why she was saying this to somebody and who she wrote.

TG - all very good questions.

Most of us want to take people at their word.  Most of us are honest people; therefore, we want to believe that others are too.  However, IMO, there has be a lot of manipulation going on with this case and I would not be surprised if what we "think" we know now is not what the facts turn out to be in the end.

The uneasiness, IMO, is because we don't have any "concrete" information to believe in.  As Stanton said - we need concrete evidence.  Evidentally, at that point, even Stanton didn't have concrete evidence.  Coming from Staton, that tells you a lot - doesn't it?

I, too, believe the public is being very cleverly manipulated.  By whom?  LE? No, they're not coming out and saying a word.  By LE through family, yes, I do think so...especially through Desiree.  I get upset when I think that LE might be manipulating Desiree so that she will come out and give the public the information that LE won't do themselves.

I wonder...did LE let Desiree read the emails (evidence) OR did LE tell Desiree about the emails with their spin on what the emails mean?

Yes...."why" did Terri want Desiree to take Kyron back?  There must be some form of "protection" involved to make such a request. 

IMO, Terri wanted Desiree to take Kyron back because she didn't want any reminders of Desiree around Kaine, now that she had Kiara. She didn't like Desiree and didn't like Kyron. The only person Terri cared about 'protecting' was Terri. She tried to turn Kaine against Kyron and vice versa by trying to make Kaine punish Kyron for things that Kaine (thankfully) felt were inconsequential.

The master manipulator in this is mix is not Kaine or LE. It's Terri.

[Tracygirl]

Thanks IM for the Seamus O'Riley blog, I enjoy reading his take of things in several cases.   The thing that I don't get, why would you say things like that in an email, about hating someone, and whatever else was said, and then turn around and harm that person? That makes no sense to me, it would lead right back to you, so why do it?

Maybe the words "I hate" weren't there (because "why" would anyone do that in this day?) - but maybe the "statements" made led Desiree to come to the conclusion that Terri hated Kyron.  Desiree is firm in her believe that Terri hated Kyron.  So...maybe Terri said some things about Kyron that Desiree didn't agree with and concludes that Terri just hates Kyron.

A statement from Terri like:  I wish Desiree would just take Kyron back.  Without any background as to why that statement is being made would lead someone to believe that Kyron was disliked so much as to want him to go back to his mother.  The question is:  Why would a statement like that be made?  Why would Terri want Desiree to take Kyron back?  We don't know that answer...yet.

 

True, and I doubt if those emails will be released to the public.

NRCG - Agree that it's doubtfuly those emails will be realeased to the public - so "who" released the couple of emails we're hearing about?

I think we can guess at the "who" once it is determined "why"?

Who will benefit the most from the mails?  Hmm...?

Which emails are you talking about. There are a few of them right? There is the one that Terri is talking about Kaine being controlling etc.. then the one LE shared with Desiree. Unless of course it is actually the same email.