Zahra Clare Baker #6 11/4/10 - 11/11/10

[crazybabyborg]

Good question, Jackie! Where the heck were her shoes???

GE, that's an incredibly small amount of toys, or items of interest for a 10 yr old IMO. Somewhere I saw that a candyland game was there. Candyland is too young for a 10 year old. The age appropriate range even by the manufacturer is 1-7, and they really stretch that.

[Cappuccino]

My first post on this case, albeit Ive been following it from when it first broke on the news:

If Zahra was that sick (as step witch states), then they would have taken her to a doctor and/or the hospital.   There is no way with her medical record that a decent, caring individual would have not taken her for medical attention, the fact that its being stated that this "allegedly" transpired for two weeks exhibits child neglect & endangerment.   This witch is putting out there that she was abused & that is the reason that will be given why she wrote the fake ransom note-the fact that Zahra's father spoke of a ransom note during the bazaar 911 call indicates to me that they devised this farce together.   IMHO, stating that Zahra was ill is only being said now to lessen their culpability to her death once all the evidence smacks them in the face.   That being said, it seems pretty apparent by what we know already that this was an event that transpired over time & ended brutality.  I do not believe the date they claim Zahra went missing is true, I believe it was much longer.   The stepmother is an absolute narcissist, an evil spirit at that, judging by her writings.

I agree with the above sentiments regarding bipolar disorder.   Defense attorneys & defendants abuse this excuse constantly & it is an insult to millions that suffer from it - the likelihood that an individual with this disorder would commit murder based on it solely is extremely rare even when non-compliant with their meds for a period of time.   I'm not excluding the possibility that a non-compliant patient can become very agitated entirely, but to the level of killing, no not as common as the defense community puts out there.  Its even more uncommon that bipolar patients are also disabled with schizo type symptoms.    If indeed the disorder is present in a defendant accused of a violent crime, in most cases other symptoms of personality disorder(s) will be prevalent as well.    This much seems very clear, writing a ransom note, setting a staged fire, making excuses during what to most would be a frantic 911 call does not indicate that either of these individuals were incapacitated in any fashion whatsoever but quite deliberate in their actions.   This step witch is proving that now with all her letters, she's calculating &

[Roxie]

Seems there might have been a caring way to seek needed medical attention close by.



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[Nut44x4]

Yep, like I stated a few threads back..... If she simply 'died' from illness, call the coroner....not the woodchipper.

[Kat_Gram]

Kat_Gram You no longer need to get a new hobby.  You can go back to FB as AY is back out

Oh Thank you. I'm going to see what's up with him today. I think that some of these peeps, AY included are going to be important to tell the story of what was going on for the several months prior to and leading up to this. Set the scene.
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As far as her not passing from a virus, I know that her immune system was compromised but to what degree, who can say ? But if she was ill, medical attention should have been sought out, not keeping her in a room and thinking, oh well ? And who knows if her cancer had returned ? As far as we know, she last had medical attention in Au two yeras ago. The being kept in a room and allowed out to eat only with no human contact ( those two aren't human ) must have been uplifting and nourishing to her spirit. 

[Kat_Gram]

Well, he ( AY ) got married.
Karen Baker say the DP is too good for some people. Like I guess she is referring to her lovely vampire wanna be DIL. Not her son who did nothing to stop this. And who by not stopping it participated in it. And who knows if he didn't actively participate in it ?
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[NCSunny]

I do not think she passed due to a virus. Could have starved to death or dehydrated.
The evidence that they have collected, the reports to DSS way before this happened, no one even the neighbours seeing Zahra, what her daughter said, the black eye, this was child abuse
that had gone on for months before they reported her missing. Nothing either one of says can be believed, they are looking to wiggle out of any responsibility.
And if we call bs, so will a jury.

I don't think so either Kat Gram.  I think all of Elisa's letters are nothing more than trying to divert blame away from herself.  She never even speaks of Zahra as if she meant anything more than the front porch mat.  I am sickened by both of the people who were supposed to care for this precious child.

Me Three! I don't think she died of a virus either. If she were sick and everything was okie dokie, why not take her to an Emergency Room? Why concoct an elaborate story of what happened to her?

Does anyone else think that there weren't many toys in the closet? For a 10 year old, it seemed really sparse to me.

Yes, I too was thinking the same thing. Read a few pages back that there was a room AB had furniture stored [reporters were not allowed to photograph there] ...could that be where Zahra's things are also?

[4 Donks]

I do not think she passed due to a virus. Could have starved to death or dehydrated.
The evidence that they have collected, the reports to DSS way before this happened, no one even the neighbours seeing Zahra, what her daughter said, the black eye, this was child abuse
that had gone on for months before they reported her missing. Nothing either one of says can be believed, they are looking to wiggle out of any responsibility.
And if we call bs, so will a jury.

I don't think so either Kat Gram.  I think all of Elisa's letters are nothing more than trying to divert blame away from herself.  She never even speaks of Zahra as if she meant anything more than the front porch mat.  I am sickened by both of the people who were supposed to care for this precious child.

Me Three! I don't think she died of a virus either. If she were sick and everything was okie dokie, why not take her to an Emergency Room? Why concoct an elaborate story of what happened to her?

Does anyone else think that there weren't many toys in the closet? For a 10 year old, it seemed really sparse to me.

Yes, I too was thinking the same thing. Read a few pages back that there was a room AB had furniture stored [reporters were not allowed to photograph there] ...could that be where Zahra's things are also?

If you are cruel enough to keep a child locked in a room and only allowed out to eat for a short period of time I think having toys in the room would be the last thing they would do.

[Kat_Gram]

My FB stalking is done for the day.
Adam has a new friend, he had 14 B4, now he has 15, the new one is Dale Baker.
Why are none of these peeps putting the verbal boots to Adam Baker ? Why are they giving him shelter ?
Is Brenda Pooler the sister of Vampire Wanna B where they are staying ?
There are tents, there is the side of the road, there is the forest, there are under the bridge places, there is Ho Jo's there is the Super 8, the " No Tell "  Motels kinda places.

[Tamikosmom]

Police search in Burke County for remains of missing girl
Updated Wednesday, Oct 13 at 9:42 AM

The land searched belongs to the family of a foreman at the tree trimming company where Zahra's father, Adam, works. It is an area where mulch, wood chips, and heavy equipment is stored. Bobby Green, a former employee of the company, says Baker would have had access there. ....

Zahra was reported missing on Saturday, but police say it's been over a month since anyone other than the girl's father and stepmother has seen her. Elisa Baker says she saw Zahra sleeping at 2:30 a.m. Saturday.  Adam Baker says he last saw his daughter the Thursday before was reported missing.

Green said he visited the home weeks ago, but Elisa Baker told him Zahra was sick and couldn't leave her room.

"Outside the immediate family, we cannot confirm that anyone has seen Zahra in the last month,” Chief Adkins said.

That includes next-door neighbor Charles Bost, who says Zahra's father and stepmother, Adam and Elisa Baker, chatted with him in the yard once or twice and mentioned their dog.

But, he says, in the month and a half the Baker's lived here, they never mentioned a daughter.

"I didn't even know that she existed. I mean I've never seen her and I never heard him mention her or anything like that,” Bost said.

http://www.wcnc.com/home/Police-searching--104818544.html

[Tamikosmom]

Should Schools Have Raised Red Flag In Zahra Baker Case
Updated: 6:21 pm EDT October 14, 2010

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Channel 9 learned that Baker finished last school year in Caldwell County, but then she didn't show up for the first few days of school this year.

Channel 9 spoke with a school spokesperson, Libby Brown, on Thursday. She said a school counselor called Baker's parents and that Baker's parents said they moved to Hickory and were probably going to home-school Baker.

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http://www.wsoctv.com/news/25394665/detail.html

[Tamikosmom]

I suspect that a live Zahra never moved to Hickory.  I could be wrong.

Janet

[no rose colored glasses]

I suspect that a live Zahra never moved to Hickory.  I could be wrong.

Janet

I thought that also, and then some employees at a furniture store said they saw her. They may have, maybe their dates were wrong, or maybe they really did see her when they said they did.

[Anna]

Although I seldom post on this thread, I am here reading every day.  Thanks so much to all those who provide all the updates.  I know if it has happened, it will be here.

[Leroy]

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The bone was sent to Chapel Hill to be identified while investigators also wait on a DNA profile of the little girl from Australia, where she and her father once lived. That DNA will be extremely important in connecting the dots in this case.
http://www.wcnc.com/news/Crews-scour-Caldwell-County-for-clues-into-Zahra-Baker-disappearance-106794383.html

Why Australia?  Did Zahra not have a toothbrush or hairbrush they could compare DNA from?

I took this to say that the little girl was from Australia versus getting the DNA from Australia.  But now that you say that, I'm not too sure what they mean.

[Monkey King]

Everyone's avatars look great!!

These two discust me.

They are both so full of excuses.

Isn't it standard practice that those of us who have been affected by cancer are supposed to have yearly check-ups at least?

So this child could have had a virus, and it spread to her lungs, as in pneumonia and these two idiots wouldn't have known.

Zahra's cancer could have come back, and these two idiots wouldn't have known.

That would have been one issue, however, by covering up her death, by staging a kidnapping, removing and doing who knows what with Zahra's body is something else.

They didn't respect this child in life, they certainly didn't respect her in death.

[Monkey King]

Due to the cancer treatment Zahra recieved in Australia, I'm sure they have her DNA profile on file and these cops want documented proof of Zahra's DNA, since it is already established, as comparision DNA.

They can give them anyone's toothbrush, hairbrush and claim it's Zahra's, then anything that is uncovered, will not match.

[Puzzler]

Dying of cancer or a virus wouldn't spread blood one the ceiling, the walls and the floor....LE took out huge pieces of each. 

[Monkey King]

Why no shoes:

I imagine the police took Zahra's shoes as evidence.  They can establish how her shoes were worn- the angle of the prosthetic vs the shape of the foot on the prosthetic.

Also, this can show what size her right foot was vs the shoe size of the left prosthetic foot.  Would this not show neglect if her right shoe size were a size 4 and the prosthetic a child's size 13?

[Anna]

The talk of Zahra being in the attic at one time is also horrifying as an attic in Florida in the summertime would be far too hot for anybody!  Same as leaving a child in a locked car in the heat.

I am curious about the manner in which the house was cut up.  Guess we will have to wait for a trial but maybe not since this is Florida with its Sunshine Law.

If they woodchipped this child's remains, I hope at least one of them gets the death penalty for that and the other life without possibility of parole.  That is just too awful to think about.  I hope the DA doesn't offer either one any deal, too.