Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #851 11/16/10 - 11/20/10

[crazybabyborg]

I understand wanting Natalee's dental records, but if they got right on it, I would think the bone DNA would settle the identification pretty quickly. I can't help second guessing everything.......... I just do not trust them, and I think it's getting time the identification should be made!

[Curly]

I just took a quick look and found that even fossilized bone contains DNA and the DNA is retrievable. 

Come to think of it, Zahra was identified through bone DNA.

From the marrow of the bone.

[crazybabyborg]

I'm puzzled about something. Can't they get DNA from bone regardless of the material available in the tooth root? We know there's bone, right? I mean no bone would mean there's no jaw?

What they really want is soft tissue.  They might be able to extract some soft tissue from the root canal.  DNA can be done I believe with just the bone but it would likely take longer.

Thanks, Klaas! Do you remember how long it took to ID Zahra from the bone they found?

[crazybabyborg]

I just took a quick look and found that even fossilized bone contains DNA and the DNA is retrievable. 

Come to think of it, Zahra was identified through bone DNA.

From the marrow of the bone.

OK, I get it. Sorry, and thanks!

[klaasend]

I'm puzzled about something. Can't they get DNA from bone regardless of the material available in the tooth root? We know there's bone, right? I mean no bone would mean there's no jaw?

What they really want is soft tissue.  They might be able to extract some soft tissue from the root canal.  DNA can be done I believe with just the bone but it would likely take longer.

Thanks, Klaas! Do you remember how long it took to ID Zahra from the bone they found?

Looks like at least 10 days.  Bone was found on Nov 3 and Emily flew to the US on the 13 or 14.  It was announced not long after that the bone was her.

[crazybabyborg]

I'm puzzled about something. Can't they get DNA from bone regardless of the material available in the tooth root? We know there's bone, right? I mean no bone would mean there's no jaw?

What they really want is soft tissue.  They might be able to extract some soft tissue from the root canal.  DNA can be done I believe with just the bone but it would likely take longer.

Thanks, Klaas! Do you remember how long it took to ID Zahra from the bone they found?

Looks like at least 10 days.  Bone was found on Nov 3 and Emily flew to the US on the 13 or 14.  It was announced not long after that the bone was her.

I knew you'd remember............. Thanks!!

[Curly]

I think when the lab has to amplify the DNA (PCR testing~makes exact copies from small amounts of DNA), this takes time with all the incubations and other procedural steps that you must follow to obtain a result. I do  high complexity immunology testing (for example)..Several of the panels I run have an initial incubation time of 2-3 hrs. followed by washes and more incubations, etc.

[KYcat]

Thanks Magnolia, Jen and Klaas for answering me (and anyone else).  I really want to re-read the ocean search thread - just not tonight.  Time for some sleep.

Klaas, can I email you?

Thanks

[KYcat]

Klaas, sorry for mis-spelling your name earlier!  I always want to spell it Klass - please don't take offense. 


Besides Klass = Class !!


 

[klaasend]

Thanks Magnolia, Jen and Klaas for answering me (and anyone else).  I really want to re-read the ocean search thread - just not tonight.  Time for some sleep.

Klaas, can I email you?

Thanks

Email me at:  smklaas@hotmail.com

[Shell]

It is interesting to me that Glenda/Renfro is remaining silent regarding the bone. 

Yea thank goodness for that!  lol

I agree!   

She is alive and well, I saw her post on a facebook today. 

Well she may be alive.........but ........well........I gotta question that whole wellness thing.  lol  snicker snicker snort snort.

just getting back (I know you all missed me) but hello Snoopy, good one 

[klaasend]

Klaas, sorry for mis-spelling your name earlier!  I always want to spell it Klass - please don't take offense. 


Besides Klass = Class !!


 

No offense taken, no big deal 

[Shell]

I think when the lab has to amplify the DNA (PCR testing~makes exact copies from small amounts of DNA), this takes time with all the incubations and other procedural steps that you must follow to obtain a result. I do  high complexity immunology testing (for example)..Several of the panels I run have an initial incubation time of 2-3 hrs. followed by washes and more incubations, etc.

Which adds up to days and weeks?

[Tylergal]

It is interesting to me that Glenda/Renfro is remaining silent regarding the bone. 

She is probably lying low, might have been a part of the "planting" party.  Wants to keep that speculation down.

[KYcat]

Klaas, sorry for mis-spelling your name earlier!  I always want to spell it Klass - please don't take offense. 


Besides Klass = Class !!


 

No offense taken, no big deal 

Thanks

     FOR NATALEE

[Tylergal]

Just one little tid-bit regards Zahra's DNA.  She was murdered in and around one of the biggest DNA/stem-cell/genetic testing areas in the world.  Duke.

[texasmom]

Something I also found interesting about the timing of all of this:

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8719.msg1257916#msg1257916

11/5/2010 24ora reports...

Dolfi Richardson, Police Chief is in Holland at some meetings to do with RST; his wife is acting police chief in his absence.

Trudy Hassell, In Qatar at Interpol meeting

Both involved in the early days of the Natalee Holloway disappearance investigation.  Dolfi Richardson has continued on the case since day one.

Dolfi Richardson was onboard Persistence with Hans Mos.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/23914-jeannette-richardson-na-cabes-di-cuerpo-policial.html



Papiamentu translation:

jeannette richardson at cabes of cuerpo policial

friday, 05 november 2010 19:50

relaciona cu one biahe of work, alto comisario dolfi richardson will is at the netherlands for reuni on rst, while cu comisario trudy hassell will is at qatar for one meeting of interpol. cu the two unique comisarionan ausente, cuerpo policial have to owing to apunta jeannette richardson-baars, that is casa of the actual alto comisario because; the boss interino till cu day 15 of november proximo.

the storia of sra. jeannette richardson- baars is uno very peculiar because for ley the have to owing to become comisario for of very time end. the was inspector of police even first cu his casa the become inspector. jeannette richardson-baars owing to arrive aruba by year 1995 y owing to arrive of ocupa several funcion in cuerpo policial. for several year the was boss of the staff of alto comisario y was fungi because; the consehero principal of the alto comisario. but for one or another motibo, probably for evita one conflicto of interest cu his casa, owing to opta for not nombr'e in the funcion of comisario but owing to want'e in the funcion of alto inspector of police. by year 2009 the is boss of the "divisie politie opleiding provided that ontwikkeling" under where scol for police is resorta. do not conoci if will nombr'e comisario of police now, but at least in the next two week the is sit in the chair of his same casa, because; korpschef interino. come across

One week later...right before Dolfi's due back, a jawbone is found on the beach.

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Flashback 2007 Persistence Mission

December 29, 2007

HT Blonde


December 30, 2007

Tim Trahan and Aruban diver.

HT Blonde


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.msg551902#msg551902

Dolfi Richardson talking to Tim Trahan onboard Persistence

HT Blonde


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.msg554145#msg554145

Dolfi Richardson with Hans Mos and other ALE onboard Persistence

HT Blonde


http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4145.msg549603#msg549603

HT Blonde

[starwynn]

I don't know if anyone has posted this article yet, and if they have I apologize.  But apparently they have at least determined that the jawbone was that of a young woman.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2010/11/18/2010-11-18_is_it_natalee_holloway_jaw_bone_found_in_aruba_belonged_to_young_woman_dna_tests.html

tiny link: http://tinyurl.com/2d5bu6q

[klaasend]

Thanks Starwynn!  Yes it's been posted but not that particular paper.  We don't mind reposting at all!

[texasmom]

Saturday November 13, 2010


http://74.220.215.229/~dresstwo/index.php?Itemid=8&option=com_zoo&view=item&category_id=0&item_id=202



http://www.24ora.com/entretenimento-mainmenu-12/24248-cache-y-tsunami-den-divas-night-na-hulanda.html

Cache y Tsunami den Diva's Night na Hulanda      
Sunday, 14 November 2010 08:59
 
E dos bandanan musical di momento, esta Cache Deluxe di Hulanda y Tsunami di Aruba a topa otro den e fiesta "Diva's Night" den Travium Nijmegen na Hulanda. Hopi hende a atende, pagando €22.50 pa entrada individual of €350 pa mesa VIP cu 6 hende sinta. E publico por a scoge entre bisti na preto, blanco of cora si nan ta considera nan mes un "original" Diva.