Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #851 11/16/10 - 11/20/10

[crazybabyborg]

Dr Baden said "They know if it's Natalee by now."

[Nut44x4]

   be safe Klaas.......

[Nut44x4]

ummmmm..... isn't it getting near the time when officials take vacation in Aruba?
How many times have we heard this......

'We will make a decision after the Holidays'..... ACKKKKK

[crazybabyborg]

Baden went on to say (again) that it might be possible to detect drugs from the tooth pulp.

I'm scared that the reason they haven't made an announcement as to ID is because they are further testing to see if drugs can be detected. If so, I'm afraid it will become "not Natalee".

I know, I know, but I just don't trust them any further than I can spit.

[mariloo]

Someone please explain what a jetty is.  I cannot tell from the photo but I do not know what to look for.  Thanks

[Lisa in MD]

Some of you may not believe in this and that’s okay.  Just because we think differently doesn’t mean we are wacked.

Although Psychics are not always exact there is usually something that they hit upon so I have been searching psychic readings on Natalee to see if there is any type of consensus or things that might tie together here goes:

The first I came across was Psychic Rita Estelle, saw Murder by Young Man while Two Friends watched.  ARUBA

Per Rita: She is encased in cement. It’s some kind of box with a lid. Like an old cistern. It’s on an old rubble foundation where there was a structure. Now there is only a foundation with cement rubble around it. And when you stand at the back of the foundation and look towards the front, there should be a couple of palm trees on your right. And there are two shot glasses near the scene. And in them should be found the drugs that were used.

And you have to look carefully around this area to find the cement patch. Look carefully around the area and you will find the cement patch.

The Dutch boy is the one who killed her. And the two brothers were just along for the ride. The Dutch boy liked rough kinky sex and the two boys liked to watch. I don’t want to get too much… just that the boy liked rough and kinky sex and the two boys were voyeurs.

 ---Her description some what fits in with the possibility of the Jetty. Especially the Cistern and Cement rubble.  Could they have used an old cistern when building the jetty? That would create a pocket in the jetty.  Also a cement patch -  It looks like a cement patch right at the beginning of the Divi Phoenix jetty from the aerial photo that Klaasend just posted and of course the jetty itself could be construed as a cement patch. If you are standing on the jetty looking towards the hotel the palm trees are on the right.

I really have a feeling about this and my intuition is usually pretty keen although not always right on.

[Tamikosmom]

Tito says CNN is in Aruba:

http://www.facebook.com/#!/titolacle

ANDERSON COOPER 360 DEGREES
Jawbone Found on Beach in Aruba
Aired November 18, 2010 - 23:00   ET

JOHN ROBERTS, CNN ANCHOR: Wow. Almost difficult to watch. Let's get some perspective on the discovery of the jawbone and what it could mean if it belongs to Natalee Holloway.

Lawrence Kobilinsky is a forensic scientist at John Jay College of Criminal Justice here in New York; and Jean Casarez is in Aruba. Jean's a correspondent for "In Session" on TruTV.

Jean, you've traveled long and hard to get there to Aruba. What are you learning tonight about the discovery of this fragmented jawbone?

JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION": Well, first of all, everybody here on the island knows what's happening. Everyone is really waiting like the rest of us are to see exactly what will be happening. .....

<snipped>

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1011/18/acd.02.html

[Tamikosmom]

Baden went on to say (again) that it might be possible to detect drugs from the tooth pulp.

I'm scared that the reason they haven't made an announcement as to ID is because they are further testing to see if drugs can be detected. If so, I'm afraid it will become "not Natalee".

I know, I know, but I just don't trust them any further than I can spit.

I agree.

Janet

[Lisa in MD]

Psychic Maria Saint Clair:“I stand by all I've said before. I believe Natalee was murdered on the beach by a young man who fits the description I wrote previously. I found on my return visit, however, that Natalee's spirit is very troubled. She sits on a rock, overlooking the sea, in an area that's not too far from the light house and close to the shore.”

--- that could be a jetty

[Nut44x4]

Baden went on to say (again) that it might be possible to detect drugs from the tooth pulp.

I'm scared that the reason they haven't made an announcement as to ID is because they are further testing to see if drugs can be detected. If so, I'm afraid it will become "not Natalee".

I know, I know, but I just don't trust them any further than I can spit.

I agree.

Janet

Me2   and Lisa... I keep an open mind with some  Psychics. Your post reminded me wayyyyy back there was something said by such a person (if I remember it right) that Natalee wouldn't be found for 5 or even 5.5 years..... Anyone remember where that came from? Seems like it was a site that read the 'stars' and stuff. Am I Nuts? lol.

[San]

I hope we get results soon.

My bet is that they already know if the bone belonged to Natalee or not.
The fact that no statement has been released is a good sign.  IMO
They are getting their ducks in a row before releasing information.

This is exactly what they are doing.

This is why Julia Renfro has been quiet.

[FloridaKatz]

Someone please explain what a jetty is.  I cannot tell from the photo but I do not know what to look for.  Thanks

A jetty is a straight line pile of rocks in the water that hold the water back from flowing in a certain direction.

[Lisa in MD]

Someone please explain what a jetty is.  I cannot tell from the photo but I do not know what to look for.  Thanks

A jetty is a straight line pile of rocks in the water that hold the water back from flowing in a certain direction.

Exactly and it would also hold back a body from being found if one was buried inside it!

[San]

Mark Fuhrman now on FOX

Said it is comical 5 years after Natalee disappeared that they are NOW asking for dental records.  Any good investigation would have asked for those records 5 years ago.

They should know by now how long the bone has been out there whether they are saying it or not.  That would have been the first thing they would have tested.

Said even if the results come back as Natalee they need to prove a homicide and doubts that will happen.  They can say she drown.    

They won't say she drowned until they try and get Joran back from Peru.  They will say we want to charge him here for murder.  He will then go on trial and Paulus' friends the crooked judges will release him because there is no evidence linking him to the crime.  Hans Mos said Joran is a liar so he cannot be believed.

A plan is in place.  Every move is calculated.

[Northern Rose]

Baden went on to say (again) that it might be possible to detect drugs from the tooth pulp.

I'm scared that the reason they haven't made an announcement as to ID is because they are further testing to see if drugs can be detected. If so, I'm afraid it will become "not Natalee".

I know, I know, but I just don't trust them any further than I can spit.

If it is Natalee they do not want the media storm just before tourist season.  My gut tells me there is no way they want it out to the world that Natalee is dead and her bones were found on their "happy island" as it could effect tourism for them yet again.  I think the delay in releasing the results is not because they do not know, it is how to mitigate the negative publicity by putting the right spin on it.  I also think Anita would be told the results before the public so she can run and hide.  I don't trust them either as a matter of fact I find it very difficult to put trust and Aruba in the same sentence.

[Lisa in MD]

MSNBC – Aruba psychic connection  the real “Medium”

Allison Dubois: “I actually do think one of the boys will turn on the other boys and offer up something that will lead to a resolve of the case.  I always did see them near the water with her.  So my concern is that Van Der Sloot knew exactly where to put her, water-wise, where the decomposition or the elements in the water would make it so that she would not be found.”

---Growing up on Aruba Joran probably knew those jettys pretty well. Note Rita is saying near the water and water-wise not in the water.

[2NJSons_Mom]

Someone please explain what a jetty is.  I cannot tell from the photo but I do not know what to look for.  Thanks

A jetty is a long, built up structure which creates a line of rocks and or wood from the shore out to a certain distance into the ocean.  It serves the purpose of breaking the waves farther from shore to save the beach from erosion.  They are usually put into position where the tide is known to be rough and/or other reasons (I'm not an authority   )

In the picture Klaas posted, you will see what looks like a long wharf like structure going out into the sea.  That's a jetty.

Hope this helps.

[San]

Someone please explain what a jetty is.  I cannot tell from the photo but I do not know what to look for.  Thanks

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&defl=en&q=define:jetty&sa=X&ei=VK3mTLqtN46ynweSz72jDQ&ved=0CBYQkAE

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jetty

[Magnolia]

Baden went on to say (again) that it might be possible to detect drugs from the tooth pulp.

I'm scared that the reason they haven't made an announcement as to ID is because they are further testing to see if drugs can be detected. If so, I'm afraid it will become "not Natalee".

I know, I know, but I just don't trust them any further than I can spit.

I agree.

Janet

Me2   and Lisa... I keep an open mind with some  Psychics. Your post reminded me wayyyyy back there was something said by such a person (if I remember it right) that Natalee wouldn't be found for 5 or even 5.5 years..... Anyone remember where that came from? Seems like it was a site that read the 'stars' and stuff. Am I Nuts? lol.

You aren't nuts, Nut.  That was from Forensic Astrology.  She said years ago that Natalee
will be found in 2010.

http://forensicastrology.blogspot.com/

[San]

Someone please explain what a jetty is.  I cannot tell from the photo but I do not know what to look for.  Thanks

A jetty is a straight line pile of rocks in the water that hold the water back from flowing in a certain direction.

What she said