Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #851 11/16/10 - 11/20/10

[Kiwi]

I'd like to make a recommendation.  If you have a loved one that is missing and there are dental study models that exist, that you have them digitized by your dentist for archive comparison.  Models are not kept for longer than a few years and are easily lost in endless boxes. The chances of recovering stored intact models decreases with time. At present the state of the art is with a digital scanner made for dental restoration. It is possible to reproduce the entire cast out of plastic without an impression. A digital copy can be stored safely and easily. The electronic data can be  transmitted to anywhere on the planet and reproduced in plastic model form or just compared in digital format on a computer.

[crazybabyborg]

Good advice, Kiwi, and not something most of us think of.  Great to see you BTW!!

[FloridaKatz]

I made a couple of maps which shows what and where everything is.  This one is the jetty's, the Bubali Marsh, and I've identified the wash that goes from the marsh into the ocean, along with where I took that pic of all those conch shells:

[FloridaKatz]

This one shows the resorts, the fisherman's huts, and the neighborhood where the Sloots live:

[Nut44x4]

Nice job FloridaKatz.

[FloridaKatz]

Nice job FloridaKatz.

Thanks Nut !  I forgot to show where the McDonalds is where Paulus supposedly picked up Joran.  It's on the road where the # 3 is on the maps, between the Bubali Marsh and the Sloots neighborhood.

[Lisa in MD]

Thanks FloridaKatz that is a nice job - puts things in prespective.  So there are three Jetty's in that area and the Marriott is way north of them.  That would be just like that lying POS! I think with someone like him saying look here and look there - they need to look at where he is not pointing!

[antunym]

This one shows the resorts, the fisherman's huts, and the neighborhood where the Sloots live:

How crazy that its all in the same vicinity... the Bubali Marsh the fishermans huts where he left his  shoes.  Thanks FloridaKatz!!  I wonder how this all fits together?

[FloridaKatz]

Thanks FloridaKatz that is a nice job - puts things in prespective.  So there are three Jetty's in that area and the Marriott is way north of them.  That would be just like that lying POS! I think with someone like him saying look here and look there - they need to look at where he is not pointing!

Yes, 3 jettys down near the Divi Phoenix.  I'm puzzled by something Jean Casaras said earlier this evening on HL News.  She had gone out to the Divi beach, and said there were no seashells.  NONE.  So then it's suspicious how a jawbone can just wash up where "it did".  She also mentioned the connector between the marsh and the ocean, where all the conch shells are.  If it had washed in from that area, surely a shell or two would have washed in as well.  I am now convinced that the jawbone was planted.          The question is, by whom ?  Anita ?  The police ?  Someone else ?

[antunym]

Thanks FloridaKatz that is a nice job - puts things in prespective.  So there are three Jetty's in that area and the Marriott is way north of them.  That would be just like that lying POS! I think with someone like him saying look here and look there - they need to look at where he is not pointing!

Yes, 3 jettys down near the Divi Phoenix.  I'm puzzled by something Jean Casaras said earlier this evening on HL News.  She had gone out to the Divi beach, and said there were no seashells.  NONE.  So then it's suspicious how a jawbone can just wash up where "it did".  She also mentioned the connector between the marsh and the ocean, where all the conch shells are.  If it had washed in from that area, surely a shell or two would have washed in as well.  I am now convinced that the jawbone was planted.          The question is, by whom ?  Anita ?  The police ?  Someone else ?

Or maybe there are remains in the Marsh?? Whether planted after Jorans story or left there before???

[AZSunny]

Thanks FloridaKatz that is a nice job - puts things in prespective.  So there are three Jetty's in that area and the Marriott is way north of them.  That would be just like that lying POS! I think with someone like him saying look here and look there - they need to look at where he is not pointing!

Yes, 3 jettys down near the Divi Phoenix.  I'm puzzled by something Jean Casaras said earlier this evening on HL News.  She had gone out to the Divi beach, and said there were no seashells.  NONE.  So then it's suspicious how a jawbone can just wash up where "it did".  She also mentioned the connector between the marsh and the ocean, where all the conch shells are.  If it had washed in from that area, surely a shell or two would have washed in as well.  I am now convinced that the jawbone was planted.          The question is, by whom ?  Anita ?  The police ?  Someone else ?

Do we know by which jetty the jaw was found?  If if is the one by where you so the shells, then it could have been washed out of the marsh.    I am leaning toward that rather than it being planted, though with Aruba, all things are possible.  If it were planted, how would they know it could be discovered before it washed back out to sea?  With the heavy continuing rain fall, the marsh would have to drain somewhere.  Just thinking outloud...or with my fingers. 

[FloridaKatz]

This one shows the resorts, the fisherman's huts, and the neighborhood where the Sloots live:

How crazy that its all in the same vicinity... the Bubali Marsh the fishermans huts where he left his  shoes.  Thanks FloridaKatz!!  I wonder how this all fits together?

I think they started out being dropped off at the Mariott.  Then I think Joran convinced her to walk up to the Fisherman's Huts, where there are no street lights, no cameras from any buildings nearby, and it's kind of in an area where you wouldn't normally stroll along the beach unless you were specifically going to see the huts or going there for some alterior motive (like to have sex and not be seen).  I think something happened there, and he called Deepak to come pick them up.  Then they drove her straight to the Marsh.  I think the reason he took her over by the Marriott is so that she would feel somewhat comfortable knowing that her hotel was close enough to where they were that she could walk back if she needed to.  I once thought that something happened to her at Joran's house, but now I'm not so sure.

[antunym]

Thanks FloridaKatz that is a nice job - puts things in prespective.  So there are three Jetty's in that area and the Marriott is way north of them.  That would be just like that lying POS! I think with someone like him saying look here and look there - they need to look at where he is not pointing!

Yes, 3 jettys down near the Divi Phoenix.  I'm puzzled by something Jean Casaras said earlier this evening on HL News.  She had gone out to the Divi beach, and said there were no seashells.  NONE.  So then it's suspicious how a jawbone can just wash up where "it did".  She also mentioned the connector between the marsh and the ocean, where all the conch shells are.  If it had washed in from that area, surely a shell or two would have washed in as well.  I am now convinced that the jawbone was planted.          The question is, by whom ?  Anita ?  The police ?  Someone else ?

Or maybe there are remains in the Marsh?? Whether planted after Jorans story or left there before???

Oh nevermind I get what your saying now afetr I reread it

[Rob]

Evening ALL..

Just sitting here and getting to read all of FloridaKatz's Aruban endeavors. Nice to see a new poster here to the monkey board.

Just wondering - you have very nice intimate knowledge of all things Slot and Aruba. Surely with all this knowledge and understanding, you probably realize that there is a voluntary boycott of Aruba. I was wondering how you ended up there. And wondering how it was you that found this remarkable discovery. Really hate to call out a new poster, but I must admit I am curious.

I wasn't poking around on the site meter, but I'm sure by now someone probably has, and after everything that has occurred in this case - I must admit I'm skeptical of all these wonderful and fantastical works.

You seem to know all the points of interest (even the McDonald's pick-up point) and show up here at the monkey board with pics but yet no pic of the jaw bone.

I'll understand if you are unable to answer these questions.

 

[antunym]

Thanks FloridaKatz that is a nice job - puts things in prespective.  So there are three Jetty's in that area and the Marriott is way north of them.  That would be just like that lying POS! I think with someone like him saying look here and look there - they need to look at where he is not pointing!

Yes, 3 jettys down near the Divi Phoenix.  I'm puzzled by something Jean Casaras said earlier this evening on HL News.  She had gone out to the Divi beach, and said there were no seashells.  NONE.  So then it's suspicious how a jawbone can just wash up where "it did".  She also mentioned the connector between the marsh and the ocean, where all the conch shells are.  If it had washed in from that area, surely a shell or two would have washed in as well.  I am now convinced that the jawbone was planted.          The question is, by whom ?  Anita ?  The police ?  Someone else ?

Do we know by which jetty the jaw was found?  If if is the one by where you so the shells, then it could have been washed out of the marsh.    I am leaning toward that rather than it being planted, though with Aruba, all things are possible.  If it were planted, how would they know it could be discovered before it washed back out to sea?  With the heavy continuing rain fall, the marsh would have to drain somewhere.  Just thinking outloud...or with my fingers. 

It would be interesting to know who the supposed persons who found the jaw are.

[crazybabyborg]

Thanks FloridaKatz that is a nice job - puts things in prespective.  So there are three Jetty's in that area and the Marriott is way north of them.  That would be just like that lying POS! I think with someone like him saying look here and look there - they need to look at where he is not pointing!

Yes, 3 jettys down near the Divi Phoenix.  I'm puzzled by something Jean Casaras said earlier this evening on HL News.  She had gone out to the Divi beach, and said there were no seashells.  NONE.  So then it's suspicious how a jawbone can just wash up where "it did".  She also mentioned the connector between the marsh and the ocean, where all the conch shells are.  If it had washed in from that area, surely a shell or two would have washed in as well.  I am now convinced that the jawbone was planted.          The question is, by whom ?  Anita ?  The police ?  Someone else ?

By who has her remains. If you believe she was in the crab trap, that would be Aruban authorities and Hans Mos: the same people who came speeding up in a boat beside the Persistance.

[FloridaKatz]

Evening ALL..

Just sitting here and getting to read all of FloridaKatz's Aruban endeavors. Nice to see a new poster here to the monkey board.

Just wondering - you have very nice intimate knowledge of all things Slot and Aruba. Surely with all this knowledge and understanding, you probably realize that there is a voluntary boycott of Aruba. I was wondering how you ended up there. And wondering how it was you that found this remarkable discovery. Really hate to call out a new poster, but I must admit I am curious.

I wasn't poking around on the site meter, but I'm sure by now someone probably has, and after everything that has occurred in this case - I must admit I'm skeptical of all these wonderful and fantastical works.

Hi Rob;

I understand your curiosity.  If you did a search on my profile, you would see that I've been a monkey since January of last year.  I was a long time lurker before that.  My husband and I have been involved in SAR for nearly 20 years.  If you look at my posts from earlier this week, you will see where I explained that my husband was on his 2 week break from his deployment in Afghanistan, and he wanted to spend a week of that time in Aruba, doing research on Natalee's disappearance.  Yes I realize there is Aruba boycott.  We did not go to fancy restaurants or go souvenier shopping.  We spent our days either riding to the different areas in a rented jeep, or walking the areas by foot.  We followed the case from day one, which is why I'm so familiar with it.  Yes we were on the island the day the  jawbone was found.  No we weren't the ones that found it. 

If you check my posts from last year, my husband and I also did SAR for Caylee Anthony when she went missing.  We live in the Central Florida area, so when we can, and it's close enough for us to travel, we try to help.  I might also mention that I was born and raised in Alabama, not far from where Natalee lived. 

I hope this explains things for you.

[Lisa in MD]

This one shows the resorts, the fisherman's huts, and the neighborhood where the Sloots live:

How crazy that its all in the same vicinity... the Bubali Marsh the fishermans huts where he left his  shoes.  Thanks FloridaKatz!!  I wonder how this all fits together?

I think they started out being dropped off at the Mariott.  Then I think Joran convinced her to walk up to the Fisherman's Huts, where there are no street lights, no cameras from any buildings nearby, and it's kind of in an area where you wouldn't normally stroll along the beach unless you were specifically going to see the huts or going there for some alterior motive (like to have sex and not be seen).  I think something happened there, and he called Deepak to come pick them up.  Then they drove her straight to the Marsh.  I think the reason he took her over by the Marriott is so that she would feel somewhat comfortable knowing that her hotel was close enough to where they were that she could walk back if she needed to.  I once thought that something happened to her at Joran's house, but now I'm not so sure.

But … What if they never went to the Mariott and that was just another part of Joran’s lie that everyone is buying into.  What if he called Paulus to help him at the Phoenix?  What if Paulus actually met him at the McDonalds that night and they returned to the Phoenix, put Natalee in the Jetty and concocted the entire story to lead away from the jetty?

[FloridaKatz]

This one shows the resorts, the fisherman's huts, and the neighborhood where the Sloots live:

How crazy that its all in the same vicinity... the Bubali Marsh the fishermans huts where he left his  shoes.  Thanks FloridaKatz!!  I wonder how this all fits together?

I think they started out being dropped off at the Mariott.  Then I think Joran convinced her to walk up to the Fisherman's Huts, where there are no street lights, no cameras from any buildings nearby, and it's kind of in an area where you wouldn't normally stroll along the beach unless you were specifically going to see the huts or going there for some alterior motive (like to have sex and not be seen).  I think something happened there, and he called Deepak to come pick them up.  Then they drove her straight to the Marsh.  I think the reason he took her over by the Marriott is so that she would feel somewhat comfortable knowing that her hotel was close enough to where they were that she could walk back if she needed to.  I once thought that something happened to her at Joran's house, but now I'm not so sure.

But … What if they never went to the Mariott and that was just another part of Joran’s lie that everyone is buying into.  What if he called Paulus to help him at the Phoenix?  What if Paulus actually met him at the McDonalds that night and they returned to the Phoenix, put Natalee in the Jetty and concocted the entire story to lead away from the jetty?

That's a possibility.  With that 3 ring circus down there, anything is possible

[FloridaKatz]

Thanks FloridaKatz that is a nice job - puts things in prespective.  So there are three Jetty's in that area and the Marriott is way north of them.  That would be just like that lying POS! I think with someone like him saying look here and look there - they need to look at where he is not pointing!

Yes, 3 jettys down near the Divi Phoenix.  I'm puzzled by something Jean Casaras said earlier this evening on HL News.  She had gone out to the Divi beach, and said there were no seashells.  NONE.  So then it's suspicious how a jawbone can just wash up where "it did".  She also mentioned the connector between the marsh and the ocean, where all the conch shells are.  If it had washed in from that area, surely a shell or two would have washed in as well.  I am now convinced that the jawbone was planted.          The question is, by whom ?  Anita ?  The police ?  Someone else ?

Do we know by which jetty the jaw was found?  If if is the one by where you so the shells, then it could have been washed out of the marsh.    I am leaning toward that rather than it being planted, though with Aruba, all things are possible.  If it were planted, how would they know it could be discovered before it washed back out to sea?  With the heavy continuing rain fall, the marsh would have to drain somewhere.  Just thinking outloud...or with my fingers. 

It would be interesting to know who the supposed persons who found the jaw are.

I would like to know too.  We left the day after it was found, and we didn't hear any "buzz" going on at the airport.  Supposedly the people are from Boston, and they left the same day we did.