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Author Topic: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #851 11/16/10 - 11/20/10  (Read 200552 times)
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« Reply #880 on: November 19, 2010, 09:15:42 PM »

Someone please refresh my memory about his shoes.  Didn't he say he took them off at the Mariott but I also thought I heard that they found one in his room when they searched the house.  Am I correct on this?  I'm not sure.

What I do know is the night that Beth, Dave and I think Steve Holloway were there at the Van der Sloots house Paulus had to call for Joran to come home and Beth said he showed up not much later and he was dirty.  If he had been down at one of those jetty's he could have gotten home quickly and if he was dirty he may have been looking for the shoe he lost the night before or possibly making sure his hiding place was well covered.

Joran said he left his shoes at the beach. One shoe was found in the mockery of a search on his apt, but later that fact got muddied and it dropped off the radar screen of LE. Joran lied several times about his shoe size, so you can bet he was worried that his shoe would be found in incriminating circumstances.

When Beth and Jug arrived at the Sloots, Paulus went to get Joran and came back to say he wasn't home. He called Joran and told Jug and Beth that Joran was at a Casino (help somebody....... which one was it?). Anyway, they all left to go to the casino to confront Joran. Once there, Joran wasn't to be found. Paulus called Joran again, and he said he came home. Back they went to the house and there was Joran and Deepak, not dressed for the casino but time had been bought with the running around.

WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON? Who knows for sure? Jug has always regretted not insisting the trunk to Deepak's car be opened right then and there. He thinks Natalee may have been in it.

I think it was the Hyatt Casino that he was at when Paulus called him to go home.
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« Reply #881 on: November 19, 2010, 09:17:37 PM »

Posted on the front page of SM by the gal who claims to have been with the tourists that found it:

kkthy
2010/11/18 at 5:19 am

We could kick ourselves for not taking a photo of the jaw bone. Sad It was found at that edge of the water where waves could have brought it up on shore, near where a jetty of rocks go out to protect the beach area. The jetty has been damaged due to the waves from storm Tomas and the waves were still large when we arrived last week. The waves damaged many resort shores and also brought in LOTS of debris and shells. The waves eroded beach fronts everywhere so also uncovered debris. The waves were relentless! Very unusual for Aruba. By midweek the waves stopped churning up the sand and the water began to clear. Usually the water is very clear and you can see the ocean bottom when you go in for a swim. My friend found it on FridayÖ our last day of vacation.


I appreciate kkthy's comments on the FP but I wish the finder of this jawbone would come forward and be identified.

Janet

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« Reply #882 on: November 19, 2010, 09:19:45 PM »

Someone please refresh my memory about his shoes.  Didn't he say he took them off at the Mariott but I also thought I heard that they found one in his room when they searched the house.  Am I correct on this?  I'm not sure.

What I do know is the night that Beth, Dave and I think Steve Holloway were there at the Van der Sloots house Paulus had to call for Joran to come home and Beth said he showed up not much later and he was dirty.  If he had been down at one of those jetty's he could have gotten home quickly and if he was dirty he may have been looking for the shoe he lost the night before or possibly making sure his hiding place was well covered.

Joran said he left his shoes at the beach. One shoe was found in the mockery of a search on his apt, but later that fact got muddied and it dropped off the radar screen of LE. Joran lied several times about his shoe size, so you can bet he was worried that his shoe would be found in incriminating circumstances.

When Beth and Jug arrived at the Sloots, Paulus went to get Joran and came back to say he wasn't home. He called Joran and told Jug and Beth that Joran was at a Casino (help somebody....... which one was it?). Anyway, they all left to go to the casino to confront Joran. Once there, Joran wasn't to be found. Paulus called Joran again, and he said he came home. Back they went to the house and there was Joran and Deepak, not dressed for the casino but time had been bought with the running around.

WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON? Who knows for sure? Jug has always regretted not insisting the trunk to Deepak's car be opened right then and there. He thinks Natalee may have been in it.

I think it was the Hyatt Casino that he was at when Paulus called him to go home.

Thanks, FloridaKatz! It's been a while. 
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« Reply #883 on: November 19, 2010, 09:22:28 PM »

So he lied about leaving his shoes on the beach at the Marriott.  Then only one shoe turns up in the search of his apt. 

He could have very easily lost that other shoe in the jetty.

The storm could have very easily caused a hydrolic near the jetty to dislodge a rock allowing that mandible out into the ocean to be swept ashore!

I feel confident in saying that there is unanimous agreement on this thread that the shoe is significant. Even in an interview, Joran makes a point to draw attention to his shoes. He was demonstrably nervous about it. There was even speculation here  that Joran did leave his shoes at the crime scene and asked Deepak to get them and that Deepak kept one shoe with evidence on it in case Joran tried to point to them as the sole guilty party.
I think the Jetty theory would also fit the time frame Ė they had to get rid of her body fast and not be seen doing it.  Then return back to their homes - All between leaving Carlos and Charlies and logging on and off computers and the cell phone calls. 
Someone here with more knowledge about the time could figure this out but I bet it fits the time frame.

 
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« Reply #884 on: November 19, 2010, 09:26:50 PM »


When Beth and Jug arrived at the Sloots, Paulus went to get Joran and came back to say he wasn't home. He called Joran and told Jug and Beth that Joran was at a Casino (help somebody....... which one was it?). Anyway, they all left to go to the casino to confront Joran. Once there, Joran wasn't to be found. Paulus called Joran again, and he said he came home. Back they went to the house and there was Joran and Deepak, not dressed for the casino but time had been bought with the running around.

WHAT WAS REALLY GOING ON? Who knows for sure? Jug has always regretted not insisting the trunk to Deepak's car be opened right then and there. He thinks Natalee may have been in it.

I think it was the Hyatt Casino that he was at when Paulus called him to go home.


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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 44:
  Alberto and Claudio went to the location, looked over the fence, and there it was.  A silver-gray Honda with big tailpipes and fancy features, just as the students had described.  They wrote down the license plate number and address.

Page 45:  At Noord it takes almost half an hour to get uniformed officers to accompany us to the van der Sloot home.

The silver Honda is not there anymore.

The officers sound their horns and sirens for about five minutes before a man answers the door.  He is Joranís father, Paulus van der Sloot.  He has his cell phone in his hand.  The police ask to see Joran.  Paulus responds that he isnít home and calls his son to find out where he is.  He tells the police that Joran says he is in a poker tournament at the back of the casino at the Wyndham Hotel.

Page 46:  Again we load up, adding Paulus to this madcap possee riding in convoy with the police to the Wyndham.  The police lead the pack.

We arrive at the Wyndham, and the car barely stops rolling before I jump out Ö

I run to to the back where Joran told his father he would be and return to the front.  There is no sign of him.

I turn around to see Paulus on his cell phone again.  He tells us that his son is back at their house now.

Page 47:  Everybody is running and running to the cars.  Few Words are spoken.  We arrive to see people standing in front of the house.  They are Deepak Kalpoe and Joran van der Sloot.

Page 48:  Joran and Deepak have supposedly returned from a night of gambling at the Wyndham.  Itís about three oíclock in the morning.  Itís a school night.  They arenít dressed as if they have been to a casino.  They are in grubby T-shirts and shorts.  I make a mental note that I will ask to see the casino footage from the Wyndham later on.  Just to see if they were really there tonight or, rather, this morning.

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

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  And finally we learn from the Wyndham Hotel manager that Joran and Deepak do not appear on their security videos at the time the two claimed to be at the poker tournament there Ė the same time we were stand in the van der Slootsí front yard in the wee hours of May, 30.



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« Reply #885 on: November 19, 2010, 09:27:28 PM »

CBB

Please delete post 844.  I messed up.

Thanks

Janet
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« Reply #886 on: November 19, 2010, 09:27:51 PM »

Janet......  I was waiting for you to nail that with actual sources. Good job and thanks! 

It was the Wyndham. For sure.

AND everyone can read the account as told by someone who was there; Beth herself.

Thanks, Janet!
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« Reply #887 on: November 19, 2010, 09:29:12 PM »

CBB

Please delete post 844.  I messed up.

Thanks

Janet

844? Double check that before I do it, OK?

I know she meant 884, because it's duplicated underneath it so I'll remove it.
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« Reply #888 on: November 19, 2010, 09:38:57 PM »

Did anyone come up with a good timeline of that night and how much time they actually had ?  I would really apperciate some help checking the Jetty theory against a time line is someone would like to humor me while we wait for the pending news! PLEASE
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« Reply #889 on: November 19, 2010, 09:44:39 PM »

CBB

Please delete post 844.  I messed up.

Thanks

Janet

844? Double check that before I do it, OK?

I know she meant 884, because it's duplicated underneath it so I'll remove it.

Thanks CBB.

Grandkids are here so I am somewhat distracted.

Janet
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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ďA person of integrity expects to be believed and when heís not, he letís time prove him right.Ē -unknown
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« Reply #890 on: November 19, 2010, 09:45:24 PM »

Did anyone come up with a good timeline of that night and how much time they actually had ?  I would really apperciate some help checking the Jetty theory against a time line is someone would like to humor me while we wait for the pending news! PLEASE

Oh yeah, Monkeys spent hours and hours of time on it........... THANK YOU KLAAS!!

http://www.hollowaycase.com/

 
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« Reply #891 on: November 19, 2010, 09:46:22 PM »

CBB

Please delete post 844.  I messed up.

Thanks

Janet

844? Double check that before I do it, OK?

I know she meant 884, because it's duplicated underneath it so I'll remove it.

Thanks CBB.

Grandkids are here so I am somewhat distracted.

Janet


No problem................ last time, right? 
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« Reply #892 on: November 19, 2010, 09:50:29 PM »

Someone asked earlier how a jaw bone could wash up on the beach when there were no shells on the beach. I canít find the post.

From what I have heard there are no shells or coral on the Jetties.  If the storm caused a hydraulic (a swirl of the water) next to the jetty it would create a pressure - sort of like a blender.  That pressure can create a vacuum and if it was close enough it could pull things into it and spin or spit them out into the ocean.  Since the ocean is shallow there in that area with jetties on both sides the item would wash in with the tide.

I use to white water raft!
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« Reply #893 on: November 19, 2010, 09:52:53 PM »

CBB

Please delete post 844.  I messed up.

Thanks

Janet

844? Double check that before I do it, OK?

I know she meant 884, because it's duplicated underneath it so I'll remove it.

Thanks CBB.

Grandkids are here so I am somewhat distracted.

Janet


No problem................ last time, right? 

You bet.

 

Cross my heart and ... cross my fingers.

Janet
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« Reply #894 on: November 19, 2010, 09:55:53 PM »

I would love to think Natalee put the jawbone there because she wants to be found and taken home.  She does not want this horrid place to be her final resting place.  an angelic monkey
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« Reply #895 on: November 19, 2010, 10:07:55 PM »

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« Reply #896 on: November 19, 2010, 10:20:46 PM »

Hi Klaas!   

We Miss You!!!   
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« Reply #897 on: November 19, 2010, 10:22:31 PM »

I would love to think Natalee put the jawbone there because she wants to be found and taken home.  She does not want this horrid place to be her final resting place.  an angelic monkey

Mariloo, that has always bothered me, and you know it just kills Beth. I want Natalee away from that Hellhole.
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« Reply #898 on: November 19, 2010, 10:29:14 PM »

I wish the reporters would go to Holland instead of Aruba. I want them to demand the results............... beat on the door if they have to!   

After that, they should go to Aruba, just so nobody forgets where this travesty happened!
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« Reply #899 on: November 19, 2010, 10:33:06 PM »

Beth Holloway:

'I wanted to peel the skin off his face. I'm thinking this is it, this is my one chance and I'll never get this chance again.

'My eyes met his and we were face to face. The only thing I had left in me was just to speak from the heart.'


'Tell me what happened. Let me take her home.'

http://www.peterrdevries.nl/archief/de-confrontatie-tussen-beth-en-joran/

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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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ďA person of integrity expects to be believed and when heís not, he letís time prove him right.Ē -unknown
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