Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #851 11/16/10 - 11/20/10

[AZSunny]

I understand why there's confusion with what I've stated but it's not so. Matters of international justice are heard at the Hague - this is worldwide regarding matters of international crimes in various countries. Since the crime against Natalee occurred before the crime against Stephany, I think Aruba would have jurisdiction. I hope not, but I think they do. I believe Peru will fight that, if the need be, and it could be tied up in the international court system for a lengthy amount of time...all of which would keep Urine alive. His mother would never win such a request for him to serve his sentence or be heard in Aruba (or The Netherlands) unless Natalee was found. Sooo, isn't it ironic that all of a sudden a mandible washes ashore? One of the biggest factors in not being able to try this pond scum in Aruba is bc Natalee's remains weren't found. This all disgusts me so much. I absolutely hate to think his mother could have something to do with the coverup. Even though I thought it before, now I'm pretty serious about it and that bothers me immensely!

This is exactly what I fear.

I believe the "discovery" of this jawbone is no coincident.  It is all part of a plan to get Joran back on Aruban soil to face a trial in the Natalee Holloway case.  However ... when all is said and done ... Joran will receive a slap on the wrist for the disposal of a body.  Considering there is no extradition treaty between Peru and Aruba ... Joran will never be held accountable for the murder of Stephany Flores.

 

Janet

With no extradition treaty, Peru does not have to release Joran to Aruba.  Peru will try him, if he isn't already dead by his hand, or others, he will be convicted.  What I wonder if he then  is to serve the sentence for Stephanie's death before he is release to either US or Aruba for prosecution.

[dejasade]

NG saying the DNA results are in.
She doesn't have them yet.

Did she say if she'd announce them if she gets them during the broadcast?

[Curly]

NG saying the DNA results are in.
She doesn't have them yet.

Did she say if she'd announce them if she gets them during the broadcast?

She says she's waiting to hear, but I doubt it'll be this hour.

[klaasend]

Why would NG get the results?  Wouldn't you think that the prosecutors office and Natalee's family would hear first before NG?

[Curly]

I understand why there's confusion with what I've stated but it's not so. Matters of international justice are heard at the Hague - this is worldwide regarding matters of international crimes in various countries. Since the crime against Natalee occurred before the crime against Stephany, I think Aruba would have jurisdiction. I hope not, but I think they do. I believe Peru will fight that, if the need be, and it could be tied up in the international court system for a lengthy amount of time...all of which would keep Urine alive. His mother would never win such a request for him to serve his sentence or be heard in Aruba (or The Netherlands) unless Natalee was found. Sooo, isn't it ironic that all of a sudden a mandible washes ashore? One of the biggest factors in not being able to try this pond scum in Aruba is bc Natalee's remains weren't found. This all disgusts me so much. I absolutely hate to think his mother could have something to do with the coverup. Even though I thought it before, now I'm pretty serious about it and that bothers me immensely!

This is exactly what I fear.

I believe the "discovery" of this jawbone is no coincident.  It is all part of a plan to get Joran back on Aruban soil to face a trial in the Natalee Holloway case.  However ... when all is said and done ... Joran will receive a slap on the wrist for the disposal of a body.  Considering there is no extradition treaty between Peru and Aruba ... Joran will never be held accountable for the murder of Stephany Flores.

 

Janet

With no extradition treaty, Peru does not have to release Joran to Aruba.  Peru will try him, if he isn't already dead by his hand, or others, he will be convicted.  What I wonder if he then  is to serve the sentence for Stephanie's death before he is release to either US or Aruba for prosecution.

My opinion would be yes, he'd need to serve out his sentence.

[Tamikosmom]

With no extradition treaty, Peru does not have to release Joran to Aruba.  Peru will try him, if he isn't already dead by his hand, or others, he will be convicted.  What I wonder if he then  is to serve the sentence for Stephanie's death before he is release to either US or Aruba for prosecution.

I hope you are right AZSunny.  I have a terrible feeling about everything.

Janet

[Sleuth]

Why would NG get the results?  Wouldn't you think that the prosecutors office and Natalee's family would hear first before NG?

I was thinking that because Natalee's Aunt was on the program that she might get any news and NG would obtain from her.

[klaasend]

Why would NG get the results?  Wouldn't you think that the prosecutors office and Natalee's family would hear first before NG?

I was thinking that because Natalee's Aunt was on the program that she might get any news and NG would obtain from her.

Good point Sleuth 

[Magnolia]

Why would NG get the results?  Wouldn't you think that the prosecutors office and Natalee's family would hear first before NG?

Renfro is gonna call her.

[texasmom]

Joran started laughing when he heard about the jaw bone.   

[Kiwi]

Who said or tested the found object and said it was a small white female. Isn't that beyond their capabilites on the rock? I am trying to not get excited. Too many other times.

I agree. I'm not sure that you could find a forensic anthropologist in every university here in America. Unless someone is on Indian dig there for the last 5 years. So what big find is in Aruba that would keep an anthropologist there?  Every time they find anything with a bone we have an instant expert there. If they do have a resident, name them and their credentials or at least why they never leave the island. So all anthropologists just spread out across every island in the Caribbean?

[Curly]

NG says she's on a DNA watch (wait).
It won't be tonight. I highly doubt it, but anything's possible.

[Sleuth]

Jossy says that there is no other young white female that they know of that died. 

Jinkesaurus says Joran laughed when he heard about the bone, per Joran's lawyer.  Daniel Horowitz does not believe it, and that it might be a translation problem.  NG is adamant about it, and that the lawyer told them it in English.

[Curly]

Why would NG get the results?  Wouldn't you think that the prosecutors office and Natalee's family would hear first before NG?

Yes, but she has earphones in her  ears. If there's anything released to the wire services, she'll be told by her producers.

[Sleuth]

Renfro has been noticeably missing the last few days.   

She has been busy...

[Lisa in MD]

Volunteers Take To The Beaches For AHATA Coastal Clean-Up 2010


http://www.aruba.com/news/general-news/volunteers-take-to-the-beaches-for-ahata-coastal-clean-up-2010/

    That is too funny!!!!!

HAHa    Coastal Clean up! They are trying to get a head start before any more skelatons wash ashore!  No telling how many are out there!

[klaasend]

Why would NG get the results?  Wouldn't you think that the prosecutors office and Natalee's family would hear first before NG?

Yes, but she has earphones in her  ears. If there's anything released to the wire services, she'll be told by her producers.

True

[sandy leiva]

   sandy leiva  long time no see 

Hi Nut and all other monkeys who are checking in for info. Ive been in the rafters and reading daily just havent posted. But i do wonder hat is the significance of the 3 musketeers bar Beth gave to Joran at Castro Castro prison anyone have ideas? I pray Beth gets some closure soon, ill be here in the rafters till i have something more to write...sl

[Sleuth]

Somehow during Beth's interview with Joran in Peru, I missed the part about the Milky Way bar.  I didn't remember that.

[Mary Ann]

The video of Beth and Joran was pretty amazing. I do not understand the candy bar. Beth brought that scum bag a CANDY BAR??? Do you know what that was all about? Why did she give him her e-mail address.....does he have computer access in prison?