Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #851 11/16/10 - 11/20/10

[Lisa in MD]

Thanks for the time line!

Okay from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home. 

If you take off 10 minutes of driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half to kill her and dispose of the body.

If the crime took place at the Phoenix Hotel Beach and they knew of a hole in one of the jettys right there it would have not been too much of a time challenge for the three of them to kill her then bury her in the jetty and cover it with rocks within that time.

Joran could have easily lost his shoe in the jetty and  after 5 and a half yrs of decomposing the storm could have caused that mandible to come loose, out of the jetty and wash ashore.

Since there seems to have been no appearent search of the jetties it could have gone undetected all of this time.

Again:

1)   Most Jetties have a danger sign posted to keep off and people don’t usually walk or swim by the jetties because everyone knows that’s dangerous. In some places in the US it’s a fineable offense to even walk on the jetty.
 
2) Boats don’t go near the jetties so any search by boat would not prove fruitful.

3) Land and sea searches my not include the jetties thinking it impossible to bury a body there but someone who grew up on the island and explored the jetties may know of a hole or a soft spot inside the jetty.  Natalee was a small young lady.

4) From the air all they would see is rocks.

5) Wouldn’t the smell of sea spray on the rocks and the gunk that gets stuck between the jetty rocks throw off any scent of the cadaver dogs if a search was held there?

6) Didn’t the first psychic tell Beth that Natalee was overlooking or by the water?

7) Isn’t it the place that is almost always in plain sight that these things are discovered?  Someplace the corrupt Aruban Officials could easily watch on a regular basis without calling attention as to why? Surely if someone was pulling up rocks from the jetty someone would be alerted.

All of Joran’s lies and maps and all of the normal search areas( Joran’s house, the light house, the bird sanctuary, the dump, the dam, 2 miles out in the ocean and the house that he lead JQK to )all lead away from the jetty.

Then there is this mandible that washes up after a major storm which could have disturbed the jetty – it had to come from somewhere!  Where is the rest?

 

[mariloo]

I would love to think Natalee put the jawbone there because she wants to be found and taken home.  She does not want this horrid place to be her final resting place. 

Mariloo, that has always bothered me, and you know it just kills Beth. I want Natalee away from that Hellhole.

Me too.  I would have thought at least Moron would tell her where the remains were and let her take her daughter home.  I feel so for Beth.  She has been so patient.  She has something I do not because, I would have peeled the skin off his face if I were that close to him I think.  Beth has so much control.  I pray for her.

[Lisa in MD]

I would love to think Natalee put the jawbone there because she wants to be found and taken home.  She does not want this horrid place to be her final resting place. 

I think she is telling us she is fine and it's time to come home (body wise) so her loved ones can rest.

[wreck]

Thanks for the time line!

Okay from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home. 

If you take off 10 minutes of driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half to kill her and dispose of the body.

If the crime took place at the Phoenix Hotel Beach and they knew of a hole in one of the jettys right there it would have not been too much of a time challenge for the three of them to kill her then bury her in the jetty and cover it with rocks within that time.

Joran could have easily lost his shoe in the jetty and  after 5 and a half yrs of decomposing the storm could have caused that mandible to come loose, out of the jetty and wash ashore.

Since there seems to have been no appearent search of the jetties it could have gone undetected all of this time.

Again:

1)   Most Jetties have a danger sign posted to keep off and people don’t usually walk or swim by the jetties because everyone knows that’s dangerous. In some places in the US it’s a fineable offense to even walk on the jetty.
 
2) Boats don’t go near the jetties so any search by boat would not prove fruitful.

3) Land and sea searches my not include the jetties thinking it impossible to bury a body there but someone who grew up on the island and explored the jetties may know of a hole or a soft spot inside the jetty.  Natalee was a small young lady.

4) From the air all they would see is rocks.

5) Wouldn’t the smell of sea spray on the rocks and the gunk that gets stuck between the jetty rocks throw off any scent of the cadaver dogs if a search was held there?

6) Didn’t the first psychic tell Beth that Natalee was overlooking or by the water?

7) Isn’t it the place that is almost always in plain sight that these things are discovered?  Someplace the corrupt Aruban Officials could easily watch on a regular basis without calling attention as to why? Surely if someone was pulling up rocks from the jetty someone would be alerted.

All of Joran’s lies and maps and all of the normal search areas( Joran’s house, the light house, the bird sanctuary, the dump, the dam, 2 miles out in the ocean and the house that he lead JQK to )all lead away from the jetty.

Then there is this mandible that washes up after a major storm which could have disturbed the jetty – it had to come from somewhere!  Where is the rest? 

IN ALE's "EVIDENCE DRAWER".   I'm sorry, I don't think this mandible miraculously drifted to the beach. It was planted.

[Magnolia]

Thanks for the time line!

Okay from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home. 

If you take off 10 minutes of driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half to kill her and dispose of the body.

If the crime took place at the Phoenix Hotel Beach and they knew of a hole in one of the jettys right there it would have not been too much of a time challenge for the three of them to kill her then bury her in the jetty and cover it with rocks within that time.

Joran could have easily lost his shoe in the jetty and  after 5 and a half yrs of decomposing the storm could have caused that mandible to come loose, out of the jetty and wash ashore.

Since there seems to have been no appearent search of the jetties it could have gone undetected all of this time.

Again:

1)   Most Jetties have a danger sign posted to keep off and people don’t usually walk or swim by the jetties because everyone knows that’s dangerous. In some places in the US it’s a fineable offense to even walk on the jetty.
 
2) Boats don’t go near the jetties so any search by boat would not prove fruitful.

3) Land and sea searches my not include the jetties thinking it impossible to bury a body there but someone who grew up on the island and explored the jetties may know of a hole or a soft spot inside the jetty.  Natalee was a small young lady.

4) From the air all they would see is rocks.

5) Wouldn’t the smell of sea spray on the rocks and the gunk that gets stuck between the jetty rocks throw off any scent of the cadaver dogs if a search was held there?

6) Didn’t the first psychic tell Beth that Natalee was overlooking or by the water?

7) Isn’t it the place that is almost always in plain sight that these things are discovered?  Someplace the corrupt Aruban Officials could easily watch on a regular basis without calling attention as to why? Surely if someone was pulling up rocks from the jetty someone would be alerted.

All of Joran’s lies and maps and all of the normal search areas( Joran’s house, the light house, the bird sanctuary, the dump, the dam, 2 miles out in the ocean and the house that he lead JQK to )all lead away from the jetty.

Then there is this mandible that washes up after a major storm which could have disturbed the jetty – it had to come from somewhere!  Where is the rest? 

IN ALE's "EVIDENCE DRAWER".   I'm sorry, I don't think this mandible miraculously drifted to the beach. It was planted.

I agree, Wreck.

[Lisa in MD]

Thanks for the time line!

Okay from the SM timeline 1:45 leaving C&C’s to Approx 3:35 Joran’s Computer Document.  This gives them 1 hour and 50 minutes to: Leave C&C’s, drive around, kill her, dispose of the body and return home. 

If you take off 10 minutes of driving time and 10 minutes to get home and on the computer they would have only had an hour and a half to kill her and dispose of the body.

If the crime took place at the Phoenix Hotel Beach and they knew of a hole in one of the jettys right there it would have not been too much of a time challenge for the three of them to kill her then bury her in the jetty and cover it with rocks within that time.

Joran could have easily lost his shoe in the jetty and  after 5 and a half yrs of decomposing the storm could have caused that mandible to come loose, out of the jetty and wash ashore.

Since there seems to have been no appearent search of the jetties it could have gone undetected all of this time.

Again:

1)   Most Jetties have a danger sign posted to keep off and people don’t usually walk or swim by the jetties because everyone knows that’s dangerous. In some places in the US it’s a fineable offense to even walk on the jetty.
 
2) Boats don’t go near the jetties so any search by boat would not prove fruitful.

3) Land and sea searches my not include the jetties thinking it impossible to bury a body there but someone who grew up on the island and explored the jetties may know of a hole or a soft spot inside the jetty.  Natalee was a small young lady.

4) From the air all they would see is rocks.

5) Wouldn’t the smell of sea spray on the rocks and the gunk that gets stuck between the jetty rocks throw off any scent of the cadaver dogs if a search was held there?

6) Didn’t the first psychic tell Beth that Natalee was overlooking or by the water?

7) Isn’t it the place that is almost always in plain sight that these things are discovered?  Someplace the corrupt Aruban Officials could easily watch on a regular basis without calling attention as to why? Surely if someone was pulling up rocks from the jetty someone would be alerted.

All of Joran’s lies and maps and all of the normal search areas( Joran’s house, the light house, the bird sanctuary, the dump, the dam, 2 miles out in the ocean and the house that he lead JQK to )all lead away from the jetty.

Then there is this mandible that washes up after a major storm which could have disturbed the jetty – it had to come from somewhere!  Where is the rest? 

IN ALE's "EVIDENCE DRAWER".   I'm sorry, I don't think this mandible miraculously drifted to the beach. It was planted.

HAHA Wreck  - I'm sure that would fit the timeline too!  Good night all!

[klaasend]

No news on the jawbone yet?

Hi!

[wreck]

No news on the jawbone yet?

Hi!

Hope you have a great trip!! 

[Magnolia]

No news on the jawbone yet?

Hi!

Nope

 

Glenda finally showed up.  Nothing significant posted though.

[texasmom]

Hi Klaas!   

I'm not good at waiting!  I hate it!   

It was great to see that Rob stopped in!

Now where's Robots??????????

Robots are you up there entertaining in the rafters?   

[mariloo]

I knew that we would not find out anything till they get ready.  Now, it is the weekend and we will not know anything till next week.  Then, someone will go on vacation.     They are doing it to us again.   

[wreck]

I knew that we would not find out anything till they get ready.  Now, it is the weekend and we will not know anything till next week.  Then, someone will go on vacation.     They are doing it to us again.   

There is ALWAYS a big development right before Thanksgiving in the USA. Aruba figures they will catch us napping. It has happened every year. 

[Magnolia]

I knew that we would not find out anything till they get ready.  Now, it is the weekend and we will not know anything till next week.  Then, someone will go on vacation.     They are doing it to us again.   

There is ALWAYS a big development right before Thanksgiving in the USA. Aruba figures they will catch us napping. It has happened every year. 

They think the Turkey will make us nap.  Sometimes they announce things on Saturday.

The big confession announcement came on a Saturday.  So maybe??

[robots]

Hi Klaas!   

I'm not good at waiting!  I hate it!   

It was great to see that Rob stopped in!

Now where's Robots??????????

Robots are you up there entertaining in the rafters?   

you rang?   

[robots]

if it was planted, check with the K2 brothers

[robots]

K2 aint getting any money from the crazy lawsuit.  they just want joran to fry so they can become DOCTORS   

[robots]

are they out of high school yet ? 

[wreck]

K2 aint getting any money from the crazy lawsuit.  they just want joran to fry so they can become DOCTORS   

Bots!!!  I don't think the poo's have the intellegence (or the means) to pull this off! It think they can be found in the fetal position attached to Nadira!!! 

[robots]

DELICIOUS SPORTER !!

gonna be sporting in prison a long timmmeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[robots]

K2 aint getting any money from the crazy lawsuit.  they just want joran to fry so they can become DOCTORS   

Bots!!!  I don't think the poo's have the intellegence (or the means) to pull this off! It think they can be found in the fetal position attached to Nadira!!! 

yea, you are correct...  my error    hi wrecker