JSM's BEGGING FOR BAN THREAD #22 11/3/10 - 12/13/10

[Sister]

I've been reading at Zahra's thread and it is so depressing. There's a report that she was raped by two men.  It isn't clear, but probably either Lisa or Adam Baker or both were pimping her out.  Little girls can bleed to death as a result of being raped.  That might have happened.

It happens in Muslim countries all the time.  In their view, Mohammed was the perfect man, a man to emulate.  He married a six-year-old girl, but didn't consumate the marriage until she was nine.  So kind. This was unusual even in the seventh century.  Old men still "Marry" little girls and rape them.  They often bleed to death.

It would be comforting if I believed as many of you do that Zahra is "In a better place."  I don't believe that.  I believe she should be here to live out her life as she had a right to do.  The lesson to be learned here is, IMO, not how she died, but the courage with which she lived her life. That is something to emulate. 

And we are supposed to be tolerant of the "Religion of Peace."

Babybear, though I do believe differently than you . . . of this we are of one heart . . . she was entitled to a life full of her ups and her already conquered downs.  Religion is the way we live out our spirituality IMO.  For reasons which still mystify me, we have become a society which does not require responsibility for actions.  The fall out from that, again IMO, is children like Zahra suffer the consequences. The larger question is not only "what have we learned" but "what will we as people, individually and corporately, do" with "what we have learned"?  To have knowledge but no action is fruitless and has dire consequences.  IMO

[joesamas mama]

  Morning Monkeys, trying to get my outlook on the computer running.

Just wanted to say hey, going to try and read back. Will take forever but I just wanted to tell you all thank you for the wonderful comments about the wedding. Missed you all. Many stories to tell. BBL 

[trimmonthelake]

Morning Monkeys, trying to get my outlook on the computer running.

Just wanted to say hey, going to try and read back. Will take forever but I just wanted to tell you all thank you for the wonderful comments about the wedding. Missed you all. Many stories to tell. BBL 

Hey Mrs.Cool!   

[trimmonthelake]

You go boyzmom! 

[Tolerance]

Good morning!!

JSM, so good to 'see' you!

4Donks, how did the new baby do overnight?

Snowing here, but I can't tell if it is serious or just giving us a glimpse of what is to come!  Big fat fluffy flakes.

[no rose colored glasses]

Hope your honeymoon was great JSM 

[Green Eyes]

Morning Monkeys

Welcome Home JSM 

4Donks how did your new fur baby do last night?

Tolerance snow already ( brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)

[4 Donks]

Morning Monkeys

Welcome Home JSM 

4Donks how did your new fur baby do last night?

Tolerance snow already ( brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr)

She is really quite smart. Showed her the way to the back door once and she got it. Apparently was caged and not use to being able to explore and is now making up for it. No accidents but she follows the big dogs and mimics their actions so will not be long till they have her house broken. Today I'm going to cut the big knots and tangles out of her fur. I won't be able to get her groomed till she has all her shots. She'll just feel better if I can brush her. She has 2 speeds..full speed ahead and unconscious asleep.She is not use to grass and of course I have a gazillion leaves on the ground . She was a bit nervous on the grass but overcame that quickly and is racing full speed with a mouthful of leaves.

[trimmonthelake]

See you monkeys in a bit.Off to try and find the part for the furnace....while it is going up to a balmy 48 degrees,Taco and Rani can not handle it.      

[4 Donks]

JSM

Congrats and welcome back. If you're reading here CC congrats to you also.

[theboyzmom]

JSM - welcome back. I am looking forward to pictures (hint, hint hint) Hope the day was everything you were hoping for! 

[Babybear]

I've been reading at Zahra's thread and it is so depressing. There's a report that she was raped by two men.  It isn't clear, but probably either Lisa or Adam Baker or both were pimping her out.  Little girls can bleed to death as a result of being raped.  That might have happened.

It happens in Muslim countries all the time.  In their view, Mohammed was the perfect man, a man to emulate.  He married a six-year-old girl, but didn't consumate the marriage until she was nine.  So kind. This was unusual even in the seventh century.  Old men still "Marry" little girls and rape them.  They often bleed to death.

It would be comforting if I believed as many of you do that Zahra is "In a better place."  I don't believe that.  I believe she should be here to live out her life as she had a right to do.  The lesson to be learned here is, IMO, not how she died, but the courage with which she lived her life. That is something to emulate. 

And we are supposed to be tolerant of the "Religion of Peace."

Babybear, though I do believe differently than you . . . of this we are of one heart . . . she was entitled to a life full of her ups and her already conquered downs.  Religion is the way we live out our spirituality IMO.  For reasons which still mystify me, we have become a society which does not require responsibility for actions.  The fall out from that, again IMO, is children like Zahra suffer the consequences. The larger question is not only "what have we learned" but "what will we as people, individually and corporately, do" with "what we have learned"?  To have knowledge but no action is fruitless and has dire consequences.  IMO

Sister--I do respect your belief and I know it is a great comfort to you.

In the case of Zahra, many, many people knew of her plight, including CPS and as far as we can tell, did nothing.  I have learned from her death that even a small child can have incredible courage.  Nothing I have ever faced was as bad as what she went through with her health problems and certainly not what is becoming obvious about her death. I'll think of her when I am faced with troubles and remember her smile and strength. I think her life and death made me a stronger person also in that I will never again hesitate when I suspect child abuse.

Some years ago I hesitated to call the police when I saw a little girl with a black eye.  I asked the mother what happened and she said an auto accident, although I didn't see a scratch on her.  I've thought of it often and wondered what really happened.  I know one thing though.  If I ever am faced with a situation like that again, I will call 911 and let them determine what happened.

We must protect children better than is being done.  I mean as a society.  We must demand that even suspected abuse be investigated by the proper agencies and that LE must investigate as first responder.  If a person can be sued for slander for reporting child abuse mistakenly, there should be laws to protect that person from civil suits if they had reasonable cause to report it.  I know that in many states physicians are protected from lawsuits for reporting suspected abuse because my husband suspected and reported child abuse a number of times when he treated suspicious fractures.  I don't know about lay people being immune from a slander lawsuit in such a case.   

[Brandi]

Was waiting on confirmation that the bride and groom had said their "I do's" to post this, but I think it is time. I promised JSM I'd post this today. It is all of our sentiments, if I can speak for everyone here.

Note, JSM, that is YOUR wedding dress in the picture. I also added the pearls on your flip-flops!

I hope you two and all your loved ones are having a wonderful celebration of your love!

Bumping for JSM in case she missed the post on Saturday.

Welcome back, JSM!

[Brandi]

And a bumped post for Trimm too LOL

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4314.msg1270702#msg1270702

 

[mymonkey]

Wanted to share my bundle of joy...he has been with me since August.

[no rose colored glasses]

Wanted to share my bundle of joy...he has been with me since August.

What a little sweetie 

[Tolerance]

Oh, MyMonkey!
He is adorable.
Pets for him!!
What is his name?

[mymonkey]

Hi NRCG..

Thank you he is sweet and stays glued to me ::MonkeyHaHa::he was my daughters dog and when she had to move she let me take him...he has always wanted to be my dog(per my daughter)..I have enjoyed having two...even tho I said never two for me

[mymonkey]

Oh, MyMonkey!
He is adorable.
Pets for him!!
What is his name?

Thanks Tolerance..I will give him a pet for you

His full name is "Popper Corn"....I call him Poppie...he just turned 5yrs in Oct.
His name came from the fact he jumps up and down and my daughter said he looked like popcorn cooking even as a 1lb puppy he did that...now that he is a 4lb adult his just pops higher...

[no rose colored glasses]

Hi NRCG..

Thank you he is sweet and stays glued to me ::MonkeyHaHa::he was my daughters dog and when she had to move she let me take him...he has always wanted to be my dog(per my daughter)..I have enjoyed having two...even tho I said never two for me

He is so tiny you can say you have one and a half pups