Kyron Horman, 7 years old, PORTLAND, OR #36 11/21/10 - 12/05/10

[mamacrazy30]

maybe some smart monkey(s) can answer this for me:  it was reported that TH took 3 lie detector test, and walked out on the third.  my question is why 3?  i would assume that if you 'flunked' the first one, they (le) would say 'well, there ya go, they are full of it' instead of giving the benefit of the doubt, and having someone come in 2 more times.  but like i said, that is just my assumption. 

[monchichi]

Is it possible they developed new questions to ask, based on her responses to the previous LDTs or based on new info they had gained?

[Nut44x4]

Rain, sleet, snow or shine.....I walked a mile (each way) to and from school every day...plus I walked a mile home for lunch and a mile back everyday and had 1/2 hour to do so. That was before we were not allowed to leave the grounds at lunch time.  No it wasn't up hill both ways and it was a long time ago..... I have no idea what this has to do with anything...

[no rose colored glasses]

Rain, sleet, snow or shine.....I walked a mile (each way) to and from school every day...plus I walked a mile home for lunch and a mile back everyday and had 1/2 hour to do so. That was before we were not allowed to leave the grounds at lunch time.  No it wasn't up hill both ways and it was a long time ago..... I have no idea what this has to do with anything...

I had to do a lot of walking too and from school also, and same with you, rain, sleet, snow or shine.

[sassifrass]

See, I have a problem with this.

Is it considered suspicious to drop your children off at school?  How about putting them on the bus?   

That's not why she is considered a POI at all. It's what she did after she allegedly left Kyron at school. It's the missing and unaccounted time.

This is what bothers me. What would make TH remain silent? I'm not talking about her attorney telling her either. What could she have been doing that was so bad that it would make everyone think, including LE, that she is an unofficial POI in Kyron's disappearance? If you had a choice between having a lifetime embarrassment made public, by spilling the beans, or made a suspect in your stepson's disappearance, which would you choose?

[Kokos Cat]

See, I have a problem with this.

Is it considered suspicious to drop your children off at school?  How about putting them on the bus?   

When my girls were young we did both. And have to tell you, once they were inside school, the thought of one of them disappearing never crossed my mind, but then that was a lot of years ago. I would have thought nothing about not walking either of them to their classroom, if the three of us were in the school and I had to leave, I'm sorry wouldn't have thought to escort them to the classrooms.

I totally agree.  The school is legally liable for our children once they reach school grounds, I believe.  (Or, are on the bus.)

I am a VERY cautious parent but was ACTIVELY discouraged from escorting my daughter to the classroom back in kindergarten (her teacher was a b**tch about it -- I actually changed schools because of it)  On the other hand, the school that I switched to had teachers and the principal waiting out front in the morning, greeting the kids as they arrived, so I felt very safe dropping her off, and placing them in their hands.

IMO it's ridiculous to criticize a person's parenting skills or motives when they do nothing more than their job as parents by guiding their children to school (in whatever form:  bus, car, etc.) and then trust that the school will shoulder the responsibility of their care until they return safely home or are picked up by a parent or guardian.

And, at least in Oregon, that's the law.  This is why our local high school gets so nervous when kids leave campus at lunch.  I have interviewed the superintendent about this, in the past.  He told me, "We are liable for your children, from the minute they arrive..."

 

[sebastian]

See, I have a problem with this.

Is it considered suspicious to drop your children off at school?  How about putting them on the bus?   

That's not why she is considered a POI at all. It's what she did after she allegedly left Kyron at school. It's the missing and unaccounted time.

This is what bothers me. What would make TH remain silent? I'm not talking about her attorney telling her either. What could she have been doing that was so bad that it would make everyone think, including LE, that she is an unofficial POI in Kyron's disappearance? If you had a choice between having a lifetime embarrassment made public, by spilling the beans, or made a suspect in your stepson's disappearance, which would you choose?

This bothers me too Sassifrass! Assuming Terri is not involved, this is the only thing that even begins to make sense. Maybe in the beginning, Terri lied during a lie detector test because she was embarressed about something she did that day. Maybe she did not GET IT, that this is a very serious situation. Once she lied, she was on the hook. However, why did she not just come clean? Why clam up and hire an Attorney? This is one of many reasons that make me think she must be involved to some extent.

[monchichi]

I totally agree.  The school is legally liable for our children once they reach school grounds, I believe.  (Or, are on the bus.)



IMO it's ridiculous to criticize a person's parenting skills or motives when they do nothing more than their job as parents by guiding their children to school (in whatever form:  bus, car, etc.) and then trust that the school will shoulder the responsibility of their care until they return safely home or are picked up by a parent or guardian.

And, at least in Oregon, that's the law.  This is why our local high school gets so nervous when kids leave campus at lunch.  I have interviewed the superintendent about this, in the past.  He told me, "We are liable for your children, from the minute they arrive..."

 

Let's not forget this was not a normal day, there were many adults roaming the halls, I think it makes sense to make certain your child goes in the classroom on such a day. 

[sassifrass]

See, I have a problem with this.

Is it considered suspicious to drop your children off at school?  How about putting them on the bus?   

That's not why she is considered a POI at all. It's what she did after she allegedly left Kyron at school. It's the missing and unaccounted time.

This is what bothers me. What would make TH remain silent? I'm not talking about her attorney telling her either. What could she have been doing that was so bad that it would make everyone think, including LE, that she is an unofficial POI in Kyron's disappearance? If you had a choice between having a lifetime embarrassment made public, by spilling the beans, or made a suspect in your stepson's disappearance, which would you choose?

This bothers me too Sassifrass! Assuming Terri is not involved, this is the only thing that even begins to make sense. Maybe in the beginning, Terri lied during a lie detector test because she was embarressed about something she did that day. Maybe she did not GET IT, that this is a very serious situation. Once she lied, she was on the hook. However, why did she not just come clean? Why clam up and hire an Attorney? This is one of many reasons that make me think she must be involved to some extent.

ITA. IIRC KH and DY said in a presser that she lied about her whereabouts the day Kyron went missing. So wth was she doing that was so bad if she was innocent. Why give up your entire life as you knew it, if you're innocent.

[sassifrass]

I watched that Dateline show again because I missed the first 24 minutes, and one of the things that popped out at me is when Kate Snow asked DY and KH to tell her what Kyron was like. DY's first response was, "He's funny, outgoing, and he catches things that you don't think he catches, and things come out of his mouth."

That stuck with me because, what if Kyron did see or hear something that TH did or said, and she panicked.

[sassifrass]

maybe some smart monkey(s) can answer this for me:  it was reported that TH took 3 lie detector test, and walked out on the third.  my question is why 3?  i would assume that if you 'flunked' the first one, they (le) would say 'well, there ya go, they are full of it' instead of giving the benefit of the doubt, and having someone come in 2 more times.  but like i said, that is just my assumption. 

IIRC, it was the 2nd LDT she walked out on after LE read the questions they were going to ask her on the test. Then a few days later she took another one.

[no rose colored glasses]

See, I have a problem with this.

Is it considered suspicious to drop your children off at school?  How about putting them on the bus?   

When my girls were young we did both. And have to tell you, once they were inside school, the thought of one of them disappearing never crossed my mind, but then that was a lot of years ago. I would have thought nothing about not walking either of them to their classroom, if the three of us were in the school and I had to leave, I'm sorry wouldn't have thought to escort them to the classrooms.

I totally agree.  The school is legally liable for our children once they reach school grounds, I believe.  (Or, are on the bus.)

I am a VERY cautious parent but was ACTIVELY discouraged from escorting my daughter to the classroom back in kindergarten (her teacher was a b**tch about it -- I actually changed schools because of it)  On the other hand, the school that I switched to had teachers and the principal waiting out front in the morning, greeting the kids as they arrived, so I felt very safe dropping her off, and placing them in their hands.

IMO it's ridiculous to criticize a person's parenting skills or motives when they do nothing more than their job as parents by guiding their children to school (in whatever form:  bus, car, etc.) and then trust that the school will shoulder the responsibility of their care until they return safely home or are picked up by a parent or guardian.

And, at least in Oregon, that's the law.  This is why our local high school gets so nervous when kids leave campus at lunch.  I have interviewed the superintendent about this, in the past.  He told me, "We are liable for your children, from the minute they arrive..."

 

I couldn't agree more about criticizing a person's parenting skills or motives when it comes to getting the kids to school. The school is liable for the kids, period.

[Kokos Cat]

See, I have a problem with this.

Is it considered suspicious to drop your children off at school?  How about putting them on the bus?   

That's not why she is considered a POI at all. It's what she did after she allegedly left Kyron at school. It's the missing and unaccounted time.

This is what bothers me. What would make TH remain silent? I'm not talking about her attorney telling her either. What could she have been doing that was so bad that it would make everyone think, including LE, that she is an unofficial POI in Kyron's disappearance? If you had a choice between having a lifetime embarrassment made public, by spilling the beans, or made a suspect in your stepson's disappearance, which would you choose?

This bothers me too Sassifrass! Assuming Terri is not involved, this is the only thing that even begins to make sense. Maybe in the beginning, Terri lied during a lie detector test because she was embarressed about something she did that day. Maybe she did not GET IT, that this is a very serious situation. Once she lied, she was on the hook. However, why did she not just come clean? Why clam up and hire an Attorney? This is one of many reasons that make me think she must be involved to some extent.

 
Before I comment, for the record, I would just like to say, I DO feel TH is involved.  That is my personal opinion and is mainly based on a gut reaction, not evidence. 

That being said, IMO and with all due respect, the above criticism of her parenting is the kind of statement and mindset that has made me feel all along that this has reached the level of a witch hunt.  If she is being persecuted for things like this, it makes it really easy for me to see how she could have been any one of us.  That's what scares me.  I don't walk my child to the door, so I'm a murderer?

(Now if she was seen abusing Kyron, etc, THAT'S totally different) but just going about the normal rounds of the day... (she had a sick baby, remember?)
I'm not saying she is innocent, I'm saying that the things I do on a daily basis could be apparently be construed as suspicious if, God forbid, my child were to disappear. 
Things like showing a photo of Kyron to someone at the store, for example. 

I'm sorry, but my ultimate fear is losing my child. Only one thing could possibly make this nightmare exponentially worse would be being put under the microscope myself --precious time and resources wasted -- while the guilty party walked free. 

Again, I am not saying that this is the case, here.  I'm saying I can too easily relate to what's happening.  Also, the instant I saw the table turning in that direction?  I'd be getting the best possible attorney.  Because I couldn't help my child if I were in jail.  Everything that TH has done has been looked at with suspicion, IMO.  EVERYTHING.  Even if KH was doing the same thing.  (The gym.)

I mean, at this point we might as well tie her up and drop her in the Multnomah Channel.  If she sinks, she's innocent, if she floats, she's guilty.  (Not to give anyone any ideas, mind.)   

[klaasend]

Oh I think there are several things that LE has on TH that make her look guilty, not just the missing time and lack of cooperation.  How many people here have attempted to hire someone to murder your husband? 

[Kokos Cat]

Let's not forget this was not a normal day, there were many adults roaming the halls, I think it makes sense to make certain your child goes in the classroom on such a day. 

True, but this is what gives validity to the possibility that someone else was involved (besides just TH).  Whether it was a stranger, or an accomplice.  It "opens the door" to that scenario, more than the typical day.

I doubt it was stranger, but that's just MO. 

But no, it was not the average day in the neighborhood.  And, it's likely that whoever was involved used that to their advantage.  That, and the fact that security was lax on a daily basis.  Combine that with crowds and chaos... it's a bad mix. 

[sassifrass]

Trying to keep the thread low.

Koko 

It was NOT a normal day. Kyron was gone, and like my mama always said, "your actions speak louder than your words or lack there of."

[fatcatlurker]

maybe some smart monkey(s) can answer this for me:  it was reported that TH took 3 lie detector test, and walked out on the third.  my question is why 3?  i would assume that if you 'flunked' the first one, they (le) would say 'well, there ya go, they are full of it' instead of giving the benefit of the doubt, and having someone come in 2 more times.  but like i said, that is just my assumption. 

IIRC, it was the 2nd LDT she walked out on after LE read the questions they were going to ask her on the test. Then a few days later she took another one.

I think you have it in the right order.  LDT = deceptive, walked out, deceptive.

Some think or say it is because she was with someone.  I think by the third LDT they were fully aware of the MFH and asked her about that and she stilled showed deceptive on questions.  JMO. 

In order for LE to keep after her the way they have I think she said she was doing something at a certain time and LE has "evidence" whether it be cell pings or witnesses that state otherwise.   So IMO she is lying (deceptive) about her whereabouts on that day.  Why?  Who knows?  Why has she not cleared it up?  Who knows?

 

[Kokos Cat]

 
Hi, Sassi!  Good to see you! 
I must get some work done, I'll check back later!

~ FWIW.... Websleuth's forensic astrologers are saying the new moon on December 5th, may offer hope for the solution of Kyron's case... ~

Just scroll down to post #671, then if interested, read the next few for explanations.... (thru about #676) 

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109760&page=27

I hope it's true! (Hard to believe we're coming up on 6 months...)   

[fatcatlurker]

Don't forget these oddities;

Had friends buy throwaway phones for private conversations.

Friend working down the street from her house with similar missing time slot.

[sassifrass]

Don't forget these oddities;

Had friends buy throwaway phones for private conversations.

Friend working down the street from her house with similar missing time slot.

Let's add, going outside to talk on the phone because they thought the house was being bugged.

Sexting on the phone with her husbands school mate.

The list could go on and on. These oddities do not scream innocence to me, IMO.