Lively Case Discussion #585 2/25 - 3/2/2007

[IndyDan]

I gotta get up in 6 hours to go to work, cashing in my chips.  Night gang.

[Silverfox]

Yes, we've often discussed the possibility of a "secret club" of "elders". Elders being PVDS, Oduber, Van Der Straaten..those in the government etc.

and... this possibility could include a certain "judge", right?  One that would help circumvent the proper execution of a search warrant?

[klaasend]

I gotta get up in 6 hours to go to work, cashing in my chips.  Night gang.

Nite Indy

[klaasend]

Yes, we've often discussed the possibility of a "secret club" of "elders". Elders being PVDS, Oduber, Van Der Straaten..those in the government etc.

and... this possibility could include a certain "judge", right?  One that would help circumvent the proper execution of a search warrant?

Yep.  Helps to be part of the club huh?

[Dayhiker]

Klaas, just wanted to poke my nose in and say GREAT JOB on those two videos on the perps!

You nailed'em! The Dutch would have to be blind not to see their guilt.

Big welcome to the newbies!

       

[klaasend]

Klaas, just wanted to poke my nose in and say GREAT JOB on those two videos on the perps!

You nailed'em! The Dutch would have to be blind not to see their guilt.

Big welcome to the newbies!

       

Thanks Dayhiker - working on Satish now but he's a little more difficult as he took the fifth alot in his statements.

[klaasend]

REASON FOR HOPE:

The translation of Diaro's 2/14 article regarding PVDS losing his case for damages.

PAUL VAN DER SLOOT HAD TWO PERSONAL CONTACTS WITH NATALEE THE NIGHT SHE DISAPPEARED
 
ORANJESTAD(AAN) On the 13th of  February 2007, the Superior Court dictated sentence against Paul van der Sloot in the case that he appealed with regards to the damages that his person as well as his family members asked for, seeing that in the Primary Court (Court of First Instance) Paul van der Sloot alone (no one else in his family) got a reward of 40,000 guilders for damages and 1500 guilders to cover the costs of the lawyers, court clerks, etc.
 
The sentence of the Superior Court fell like a bomb on Paul van der Sloot and his defence attorney because, according to the attorney, the Court made use of informations that do not agree with the truth.
 
The Court dictated that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee at the McDonald Palm Beach branch and took the two of them to the Holiday Inn, according to declarations by witnesses and also informations obtained from a phone tap carried out by the police.
 
Until recently, this key information was not known in the press and apparently only by the Police and Dept. of Justice.
 
The whole case of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway gets a different twist now that the information has come out from no less than the Superior Court, and in which mention is made of the declarations of witnesses and a phone tap that show or give an indication that Paul van der Sloot had on two occasions personal contact with Natalee during the night that she disappeared.
 
Mention is made that, according to one or more official reports of the phone tap and also the declaration of Paul van der Sloot himself, that Paul fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald and took them to the Holiday Inn.
 
Based on this information, the judicial authorities and the police had at that time a justified basis to arrest Paul van der Sloot based on different suspicions.
 
According to the Superior Court, Paul van der Sloot himself is guilty, he made possible or caused (depends how every one interprets the grammar in the sentence of the Court’s) himself to be arrested and that Aruba cannot be held responsible for the damages that he suffered and for which he was demanding damages, which he won in First Instance, but appealed to get more, and now has lost everything.
 
In the sentence there are various points and aspects that brought a different view on the Natalee Holloway case and that in the coming days will be analyzed, but the most important information is the matter of fetching Natalee and Joran at the McDonald, Palm Beach, and also that Paul had on two occasions personal contacts with Natalee on the night that she disappeared.
 
The cardinal question now is: what did the police authorities hear on the tapped phone of Paul van der Sloot, and the next question is hotter still: at what time, under what circumstances, and where did Paul van der Sloot as the father of Joran van der Sloot  have contacts with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared?
 
If the Superior Court says that in the official report mention is made that Paul van der Sloot fetched Joran and Natalee on the aforementioned night at McDonald Palm Beach, that is the first contact, but where did the second contact take place?
 
On the night of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, Paul van der Sloot met again with Natalee after he left Joran with Natalee at the Holiday Inn? If that is the case, then where and at what time did Natalee disappear that night?
 
In the declarations of Joran and the Kalpoe brothers there was a heated discussion amongst them, with formal denials as to whether they went with Natalee to the house of Paul van der Sloot on the night of her disappearance.
 
That’s why it is important to get clarity on the two occasions that Paul van der Sloot had personal contacts with Natalee on the night in question and where and under what circumstances they occurred.
 
The lawyer for Paul van der Sloot denies that Paul declared that he fetched Joran and Natalee at McDonald Palm Beach, and that he had contacts with Natalee the night she disappeared, but the Superior Court of Justice based its sentence on the information presented by the interim Attorney General of Aruba.
 
Now, who is lying and who is telling the truth?

[klaasend]

Klaas, just wanted to poke my nose in and say GREAT JOB on those two videos on the perps!

You nailed'em! The Dutch would have to be blind not to see their guilt.

Big welcome to the newbies!

       

Did you notice how I replaced a photo of Deepak and a girl with Joran and Aline?    Looked everywhere and never found a photo of Deepak with a girl.  

[Dayhiker]

Klaas, just wanted to poke my nose in and say GREAT JOB on those two videos on the perps!

You nailed'em! The Dutch would have to be blind not to see their guilt.

Big welcome to the newbies!

       

Did you notice how I replaced a photo of Deepak and a girl with Joran and Aline?    Looked everywhere and never found a photo of Deepak with a girl.  

No wonder. He looks like a dog. He dresses like a dog. He acts like a dog.

   

[Dayhiker]

From the Diario article: The cardinal question now is: what did the police authorities hear on the tapped phone of Paul van der Sloot, and the next question is hotter still: at what time, under what circumstances, and where did Paul van der Sloot as the father of Joran van der Sloot have contacts with Natalee Holloway the night she disappeared?

We might surmise from this latest revelation that there are some other interesting wiretaps in the can, waiting their turn.

 

[igsigs]

I noticed at BFN there is discussion again about the computer records.  I took a couple new screen shots of the documents that may be easier to read and put them in their own thread.  They blow the margin and I didn't want to post in the LCD thread:

You can read them here:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=903

Nice. Thanks Klaas.

One thing stood out to me about the *Deepak* computer findings. This is the only PV that accounts for any Deepak (or Kalpoe) transmissions. As far as i know there are only references in other PVs and lawyer statements that are assumed to be true that fill out the timeline.

That being said...computer records account for only 38 seconds of Deepak's night.

[Marlee]

I just got done watching the Deepak video that is on the front page.

The more I saw the more frustrated and mad I got.
Why and how can "they" be that stupid and hardheaded.  It's there in THEIR own paperwork.  How can they just ignore it???!!!!

GRRRRRRRRR!!!!

I realize that no one can answer that and everyone here wonders the same thing but DARN it was good to be able to get that out  and know that you guys understand!!
Sometimes my son just looks at me like I'm a weirdo when I have a rant....lol

[San]

Yes, we've often discussed the possibility of a "secret club" of "elders". Elders being PVDS, Oduber, Van Der Straaten..those in the government etc.

and... this possibility could include a certain "judge", right?  One that would help circumvent the proper execution of a search warrant?

Yes I thought of this too.  I wonder if this judge sweats as much as Paulus.  Could it be all in the family.

[klaasend]

Igsigs - yes..would suggest there is alot more we have yet to hear about.

Marlee - very infuriating.  I cannot imagine how Beth and Dave have held up all this time.

[San]

Klaas, just wanted to poke my nose in and say GREAT JOB on those two videos on the perps!

You nailed'em! The Dutch would have to be blind not to see their guilt.

Big welcome to the newbies!

       

Did you notice how I replaced a photo of Deepak and a girl with Joran and Aline?    Looked everywhere and never found a photo of Deepak with a girl.  

Deepak is a girl.  I bet Natalee would have kicked his butt that night.

[Dayhiker]

Yes, we've often discussed the possibility of a "secret club" of "elders". Elders being PVDS, Oduber, Van Der Straaten..those in the government etc.

and... this possibility could include a certain "judge", right?  One that would help circumvent the proper execution of a search warrant?

Yes I thought of this too.  I wonder if this judge sweats as much as Paulus.  Could it be all in the family.

Don't recall Judge Wit limiting the search of the two security guards' homes, San. Don't even think he paid a visit. Why would that be?

Perhaps they weren't his party buddies?b]

 

[igsigs]

Igsigs - yes..would suggest there is alot more we have yet to hear about.

And 4 messages in 38 seconds? Does that not seem a little manic...or staged? Then Joran answers 8 minutes later yet no reply at all from Deepak? Strange stuff.

[klaasend]

Igsigs - yes..would suggest there is alot more we have yet to hear about.

And 4 messages in 38 seconds? Does that not seem a little manic...or staged? Then Joran answers 8 minutes later yet no reply at all from Deepak? Strange stuff.

What if:

Around 2:30am something bad happens to Natalee.  She may not be dead, just very very sick.

Joran calls his dad in a panic.  Paulus picks up Joran and Natalee and brings them home.  Natalee dies at the VDS house.  

PVDS tells Joran to get on the computer, act like nothing has happened.  He instructs Joran to go to the casino the next night, act like nothing has happened.

In the mean while, PVDS finds a way to dispose of Natalee's body.

 

[San]

Yes, we've often discussed the possibility of a "secret club" of "elders". Elders being PVDS, Oduber, Van Der Straaten..those in the government etc.

and... this possibility could include a certain "judge", right?  One that would help circumvent the proper execution of a search warrant?

Yes I thought of this too.  I wonder if this judge sweats as much as Paulus.  Could it be all in the family.

Don't recall Judge Wit limiting the search of the two security guards' homes, San. Don't even think he paid a visit. Why would that be?

Perhaps they weren't his party buddies?b]

 

Now that I think of it I believe Judge Witt was the only judge we have a picture of.  In fact I remember him talking to the media.  Is it normal for a judge to talk to the media.  Does anyone else remember seeing any of the other judges.

Hummm Judge Witt what did you do the night Natalee died.

[klaasend]

I'm getting a Debug error and have let Tom know.  It's been happening on and off all day today but seems to be getting worse recently.