Lively Case Discussion #585 2/25 - 3/2/2007

[Angiex911dsptchr]

Hey and night everyone.  lol
Been trying to keep up lately.

Hugs to Nemo..

Klaas .. love the work you have done with you tube!!  

Hi Angie - thanks!

  YW  

[crazybabyborg]

Nite everyone..............Sleep well!

[IBE]

Wasn't it said early on that the computer times were altered? Was it the FBI or ?????

Certainly the paper from the computer company that "check" the hard disk drive was lacking a lot of info.

Hello to all!  

[IBE]

What keeps ringing in my ears forever is the question that supposedly Beth ask Depak when at the Internet Cafe something about that you did nothing to help? or why didn't you help her?

[WidgetTheMidget]

Klaas, are you here?

Sorry CBB - here now.  Had to finish my 1/2 hour prayer time.  

Morning Klass

Was'nt It After The Perps Were Spotted Heading In The Direction Of Jorans House ( Must Have Been A Credible Witness ) That Joran Adds
The Pit Stop At His House ............

Whatever Happened To Natalee Happened At The Sloot Compound....

And If Deepak & Satish Did Something To Natalee ( Alone )
You Can Bet The Sloots Would Have Dropped A Dime .........

Disappear One Of The Sloots & Natalee Will Be Found .........

 

[Leslie]

Diario
http://www.diarioaruba.com/
Amigoe
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
BonDia
http://www.cspnv.com/
Solo di Pueblo
http://www.solodipueblo.com/
Aruba Today
http://www.arubatoday.com/
Translator:
http://papiamentu.donamaro.nl

[San]

Klaas, are you here?

Sorry CBB - here now.  Had to finish my 1/2 hour prayer time.  

Morning Klass

Was'nt It After The Perps Were Spotted Heading In The Direction Of Jorans House ( Must Have Been A Credible Witness ) That Joran Adds
The Pit Stop At His House ............

Whatever Happened To Natalee Happened At The Sloot Compound....

And If Deepak & Satish Did Something To Natalee ( Alone )
You Can Bet The Sloots Would Have Dropped A Dime .........

Disappear One Of The Sloots & Natalee Will Be Found .........

 

Good Morning Widget.

I agree with everything you said.

[Leslie]

If the witnesses did hear correctly that Paul told the polis "I picked up Joran and Natalee (or the girl) and drove them back to the Holiday Inn  at 4 AM" it shows that Paul had prior information that Natalee was staying at that particular hotel.  Even if "at 11"  was misheard as 4 AM,  there is Paul blurting out a link between Natalee and the HI that he would know by being the guy sitting beside her at the HI casino and having a conversation with her.

[San]

If the witnesses did hear correctly that Paul told the polis "I picked up Joran and Natalee (or the girl) and drove them back to the Holiday Inn  at 4 AM" it shows that Paul had prior information that Natalee was staying at that particular hotel.  Even if "at 11"  was misheard as 4 AM,  there is Paul blurting out a link between Natalee and the HI that he would know by being the guy sitting beside her at the HI casino and having a conversation with her.

I agree Leslie.  The first time Paulus met Natalee was at the casino.  I think every move Paulus has made is calculated and there are reasons behind it.  Someone either saw Paulus that night or he is covering his ass just in case someone saw him.

[San]

I think the Judge and Paulus are related.  These are the two pictures that make me believe they are.  Also, it was said that this judge would spend time at the Sloots when he visited the island.  You spend time with family and especially if you are sleeping over.  JMO.

What does everyone think.  Look at the noses.

Judge Bob Wit



Paulus Van der Sloot




Oh and one more quote from Shango (where is Lala's when I need her).

It is said that the dirty hand walks in all the houses.  Judges walk in court houses and this particular Judge walked in the Sloot house.

[Kimmy53]

Good morning Monkeys.. Working and lurking as usual.

Welcome to our new Monkeys!!!!!!

[San]

According to SunFreak's thread:

Bob Witt – Dutch Judge ruled on 6-17-05 that Paulus van der Sloot cannot visit Prime Suspect J. Sloot in jail, but that Joran’s Mother may do so (and she did on 6-1. Extended J2K custody on 6-17-05, and OK’d the transfer to KIA.

In my opinion this was part of the plan.  They had to make it look like the judge was not on their side in the very beginning and this is why he made these decisions against J2K.

[Leslie]

If the witnesses did hear correctly that Paul told the polis "I picked up Joran and Natalee (or the girl) and drove them back to the Holiday Inn  at 4 AM" it shows that Paul had prior information that Natalee was staying at that particular hotel.  Even if "at 11"  was misheard as 4 AM,  there is Paul blurting out a link between Natalee and the HI that he would know by being the guy sitting beside her at the HI casino and having a conversation with her.

I agree Leslie.  The first time Paulus met Natalee was at the casino.  I think every move Paulus has made is calculated and there are reasons behind it.  Someone either saw Paulus that night or he is covering his ass just in case someone saw him.

That is the big fact that must be hushed up, in this case.  Paul has never been asked if he met Natalee, that we know of, and he has not volunteered that information.  If it was an innocent meeting at the casino and a short friendly conversation, why wouldn't he or Joran admit it?  It seems likely that Paul and Joran were sitting side-by-side and moved their chairs apart when the American girls arrived.   With this evidence exposed, Paul should be brought in to the polis station and asked a few more questions.  Peter deVries should investigate the year that Paul spent in Den Bosch/Boxtel (2004-2005) to see what he was doing when he wasn't studying to be a judge.

[San]

If the witnesses did hear correctly that Paul told the polis "I picked up Joran and Natalee (or the girl) and drove them back to the Holiday Inn  at 4 AM" it shows that Paul had prior information that Natalee was staying at that particular hotel.  Even if "at 11"  was misheard as 4 AM,  there is Paul blurting out a link between Natalee and the HI that he would know by being the guy sitting beside her at the HI casino and having a conversation with her.

I agree Leslie.  The first time Paulus met Natalee was at the casino.  I think every move Paulus has made is calculated and there are reasons behind it.  Someone either saw Paulus that night or he is covering his ass just in case someone saw him.

That is the big fact that must be hushed up, in this case.  Paul has never been asked if he met Natalee, that we know of, and he has not volunteered that information.  If it was an innocent meeting at the casino and a short friendly conversation, why wouldn't he or Joran admit it?  It seems likely that Paul and Joran were sitting side-by-side and moved their chairs apart when the American girls arrived.   With this evidence exposed, Paul should be brought in to the polis station and asked a few more questions.  Peter deVries should investigate the year that Paul spent in Den Bosch/Boxtel (2004-2005) to see what he was doing when he wasn't studying to be a judge.

I agree with you that Paulus should be brought in for more questioning.  But I don't think it will do any good because Dennis Jacobs will be the one questioning him.  Also I believe that at this point in time Rudy Croes has made in perfectly clear whose side he is on and he will make sure it won't happen.  For a Minister of Justice to call someone a traitor for talking about the Natalee Holloway case is just unbelievable.

[Peaches]

I noticed at BFN there is discussion again about the computer records.  I took a couple new screen shots of the documents that may be easier to read and put them in their own thread.  They blow the margin and I didn't want to post in the LCD thread:

You can read them here:
http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=903

Nice. Thanks Klaas.

One thing stood out to me about the *Deepak* computer findings. This is the only PV that accounts for any Deepak (or Kalpoe) transmissions. As far as i know there are only references in other PVs and lawyer statements that are assumed to be true that fill out the timeline.

That being said...computer records account for only 38 seconds of Deepak's night.

I think he was looking for a new place to take a leak.  

Good morning.

[msmarple]

Okay, we really need to figure this one out ... from today's Diario:

http://www.diario-aruba.com/2007/3/1/

TURISTANAN LO DENUNCIA TRATO MALO NA MINISTRONAN Y POLIS

Na DIARIO a presenta un pareha turista y tambe un persona americano cu ta residenciando na Aruba varios aña awor, denunciando un trato malo cu nan a ricibi na Baby Beach fin di siman.

E persona residencia na Aruba a declara cu e tabata na Baby Beach cu su dos nietonan y su yiu muher y manera custumber a presenta cu su propio stoelnan di beach y su pertenencianan pa pasa dia na lama.

El a bin haya un dama color scur ta prepara stoelnan di lama dilanti beach y cu a laga sa cu no tin lugar pe y cu e no mag pone stoel eynan. Ningun hende tabata usando e stoelnan di e dama y ademas tabata tin lugar habri y el a dicidi di pone su stoelnan.

Despues a presenta e turistanan di Rhode island cu dos mucha di 6 y 12 aña di edad y nan a ser cobra un suma exhorbitante pa huur stoel. “No mishi cu ningun di e stoelnan aki”, e dama lo a grita nan y e americano a dicidi di busca mas stoel di su pickup double cabin pa e hendenan.

Nan a haya un zundra di otro mundo di gritamento di e dama color scur y tambe insulta riba dje, cual segun e americano no ta manera pa trata turistanan, principalmente si nos ta rogando pa turistanan bishita nos isla. Como cu e ta biba aki varios aña caba y sa di e mentalidadnan, el a bisa e bishitantenan pa no preocupa y e lo atende cu nan y cu nan por usa su pertenencianan.

Na dado momento e muher a hasta pone posicion di bringa y a califica e turistanan di ta “Stupid Americans!”

“Esaki ta e tipo di hendenan cu Aruba no mester pa traha cu turistanan riba e isla aki”, e americano a laga sa. “Ta un verguenza cu e cosnan aki ta sosode cu bishitantenan y ami mes a sinti mi mes vergonza dilanti e hendenan aki como bishitantenan. Mi a bin aki, y mi ta denuncia e caso aki tambe na Ministro di Turismo y ministro di husticia, y na ATA pasobra no por permiti pa turismo di Aruba wordo perhudica pa hendenan cu e actitud anti-turista, y riba dje faltando respet pa hende”, el a laga sa.

E caso no a termina eynan tampoco ya cu ta despues el a bin haya su mes cu otro sorpresa. Despues di a calma su nietonan y e muchanan di e turistanan kendenan tabata yora pa e trato ricibi, nan a tuma rumbo pa nan vehiculo despues di basta rato cu nan a disfruta di beach.

Ora el a ricibi na e pickup, el a bin haya paden di su pickup yena cu aroz cu galiña, como si fuera ta henter un wea di aroz cu galiña a wordo tira den e pickup. Ora el a bay acerca e muher color scur, esaki na un manera masha arogante a para su dilanti bisando: “ bo ta mira aroz of galiña aki banda?” y a cuminza cu su palabranan menos netchi atrobe.

E cos aki no por keda asina, pasobra ta poco dia pasa caso similar a pasa eynan y bishitantenan a denuncia esaki na polis di San Nicolas. Mi ta bay tambe na polis di San Nicolas cu of sin e familia aki, pa polis cuminza pone atencion riba e asuntonan aki pasobra ta bira tempo pa tuma medida”, el a laga sa.

And for what it's worth, here's the Papiamentu translation. I have paragraphed it to match the above.

at daily paper owing to present one pareha tourist y also one person americano cu is residenciando at aruba several year now, denunciando one trato bad cu they owing to ricibi at baby beach end of week.

the person residencia at aruba owing to declara cu the was at baby beach cu his two nietonan y his child muher y as custumber owing to present cu his own stoelnan of beach y his pertenencianan for happen day at lama.

past owing to come achieve one lady color dark is prepara stoelnan of lama fast beach y cu owing to let know cu not have lugar pe y cu the not mag place stoel eynan. none person was usando the stoelnan of the lady y besides was have lugar open y past owing to dicidi of place his stoelnan.

after owing to present the turistanan of rhode island cu two child of 6 y 12 year of edad y they owing to being cobra one suma exhorbitante for huur stoel. “no touch cu none of the stoelnan aki”, the lady will owing to bark they y the americano owing to dicidi of busca more stoel of his pickup double cabin for her hendenan.

they owing to achieve one zundra of another world of gritamento of the lady color dark y also insulta on dje, cual according the americano do not as for deal turistanan, principalmente if we is rogando for turistanan visit we island. because; cu the live here several year end y know of the mentalidadnan, past owing to tell the bishitantenan for not preocupa y the will atende cu they y cu they can using his pertenencianan.

at dado instant the muher owing to even place posicion of fight y owing to califica the turistanan of is “stupid americans!”

“esaki is the type of hendenan cu aruba not have to for work cu turistanan on the island aki”, the americano owing to let know. “ta one verguenza cu the cosnan here is sosode cu bishitantenan y i self owing to feel my self vergonza fast the hendenan here because; bishitantenan. i have come here, y i am denuncia the caso here also at ministro of turism y ministro of husticia, y at behold because not can permiti for turism of aruba wordo perhudica for hendenan cu the actitud anti-turista, y on dje faltando respet for hende”, past owing to let know.

the caso not owing to termina eynan niether already cu is after past owing to come achieve his self cu another surprise. after of owing to calma his nietonan y the children of the turistanan kendenan was cry for her trato ricibi, they did take direction for they vehiculo after of enough rato cu they owing to disfruta of beach.

hour past owing to ricibi at the pickup, past owing to come achieve inside of his pickup fill cu aroz cu hen, because; if fuera is all one wea of aroz cu hen owing to wordo throw in the pickup. hour past owing to bay acerca the muher color dark, this at one as very arrogant owing to stop his fast bisando: “ are you see aroz or hen here near?” y owing to cuminza cu his words less netchi again.

the cos here not can stay so, because is some day happen caso similar owing to happen eynan y bishitantenan owing to denuncia this at police of san nicolas. i am bay also at police of san nicolas cu or without the familia here, for police cuminza place atencion on the asuntonan here because is become time for take medida”, past owing to let know. come across

[msmarple]

Meant to say, "Shout out to Sandy" - re. the above.

[Kat_Gram]

Leslie, I had never picked up on that about the HI remark by Paulus.
At the beginning of this, I thought that maybe he was just trying to protect Joran by using all his legal might plus the relationships he had with his work buddies and Ben Vocking, but over the past year I came to believe that Natalee was at the house. And that Paulus played a big role in her death and subsequent disapperance.  
..
I did get mixed up yesterday with the time zome I am in, My time is 10:30 CST.    
Tib posted the prayer of St. Francis. A timeless prayer and words to live by. Or try to. Most of the time.     Well, when you can.

[Cat]

Yes,Tib,My sword is now a plow and the prayer is a very meaningful one.I think that IBE is correct.Why Didn't Anyone Stop Or help.(good Samaritan)I feel that as we learn more,we will begin to figure out more.Bad weather coming,so I will not lurk.CAT

[Kat_Gram]

Hi Anidac - I think Robots just got back from his "Positive Thinking" seminar  

Better sign me up for that class.  I have had a horrible month at work with a particular person getting under my skin and in my way with every step.  Makes me sick when she walks within 50 yards of me.  It is like an allergic reaction to my nervous system.  Not kidding.
Good news about Nat would have been welcome right now.

I hear you. My advice : That person is not going to change. So find a way around it. I had my desk location at work moved so there would be less contact. No one but me and the boss knew why. Boss stumped as to what to do about this person and the personal drama every day. Official reason : I felt too closed in.    
http://www.drjudithorloff.com/mediakit/energy.vampires.print.html
She also has some other very good articles.