Zahra Clare Baker #9 11/27/10 - 1/5/11

[Lake Erie Princess]

I have looked at the tat below Z's name. I do not think it is a jack in the box.
THAT WOULD BE TOO NORMAL FOR AY !

IMO, it is a "court jester."
A jester is a Medieval clown, that entertained
Kings and Noblemen in the period of the Middle Ages.

How appropriate.....a character from the Renaissance Era,
and probably may represent that era, as I beleve it ties in
to strange beliefs. Fortune telling, traveling gypsies,
etc.......

What do u all think ?

[starwynn]

There's a commonly used tattoo that is a jack n the box with an evil clown-jester type thing for the jack or whatever they call the clown guy.

It's popular with the same type of person who would like demonic clown imagery.  There are a lot of examples if you google tattoo designs or something like "Jack n the box tattoo" images on Google.  (I found a site, but afraid to post it here because it might link to something else - who knows.)

I try to be a little lenient on people when looking at their tattoos; a lot of people try to look more tough and cool than they are with their tattoos.  But some tattoos will show you whether or not a person has much care for society by some choices. 

[statru]

"District Attorney James Gaither Jr." or "a source"?  Who is more credible?  I am thinking ...   I am thinking ...

 

Janet

 

RIght now a lot of people arent happy he was voted back in

[pfaubush]

On the topic of tattoos...not all people with tattoos are weird freaks. I have one on my leg, one on my shoulder and my entire back is covered with one. All of them can be covered, and if you looked at me (ask Monkey King, as I think she has seen my FB photo) you would never guess I had one.

Someone asked about the price. Smaller ones are often charged by the piece but larger ones usually run $85-$100 per hour here on the west coast. When I lived in Colorado, the prices ran about the same.

I agree with the person that said those look like home jobs. Anyone can go on ebay and buy a tattoo gun. I bought one for $40 that included the entire professional setup including needles, ink, and the shipping. Mine is for tattooing rabbits though, not people (though I think the the use of the word people when describing these degenerates is a stretch).

[Babybear]

On the topic of tattoos...not all people with tattoos are weird freaks. I have one on my leg, one on my shoulder and my entire back is covered with one. All of them can be covered, and if you looked at me (ask Monkey King, as I think she has seen my FB photo) you would never guess I had one.

Someone asked about the price. Smaller ones are often charged by the piece but larger ones usually run $85-$100 per hour here on the west coast. When I lived in Colorado, the prices ran about the same.

I agree with the person that said those look like home jobs. Anyone can go on ebay and buy a tattoo gun. I bought one for $40 that included the entire professional setup including needles, ink, and the shipping. Mine is for tattooing rabbits though, not people (though I think the the use of the word people when describing these degenerates is a stretch).

Pf--Not judging, just wondering.  Why did you get those tattoos? If that's too personal, never mind.

[Tamikosmom]

On the topic of tattoos...not all people with tattoos are weird freaks. I have one on my leg, one on my shoulder and my entire back is covered with one. All of them can be covered, and if you looked at me (ask Monkey King, as I think she has seen my FB photo) you would never guess I had one.

Someone asked about the price. Smaller ones are often charged by the piece but larger ones usually run $85-$100 per hour here on the west coast. When I lived in Colorado, the prices ran about the same.

I agree with the person that said those look like home jobs. Anyone can go on ebay and buy a tattoo gun. I bought one for $40 that included the entire professional setup including needles, ink, and the shipping. Mine is for tattooing rabbits though, not people (though I think the the use of the word people when describing these degenerates is a stretch).

I agree.

A 27 year old young man at our church ... my son's friend for twenty began getting tattoos following gradulation from high school.  This guy is very good looking ... educated ... hard working and ... has a heart of gold.  However ... his arms and back are covered with a beautiful colorful design which I would appreciate if it was on canvas and framed.  The scarey thing is ... he claims he is not done.  Although he is loved for himself ... my son shared that none of their group of long time friends for the most part understand what makes this guy tick in regards to his obsession with tattoos.

Today ... Matt was the coordinator over 20 young adults at sandwich making meet and ... at this moment most of the group are on Hasting Street in downtown Vancouver handing our these sandwiches to the homeless.

pfaubush ... I am afraid that one day Matt is going to have regrets.

Janet
   

[San]

On the topic of tattoos...not all people with tattoos are weird freaks. I have one on my leg, one on my shoulder and my entire back is covered with one. All of them can be covered, and if you looked at me (ask Monkey King, as I think she has seen my FB photo) you would never guess I had one.

Someone asked about the price. Smaller ones are often charged by the piece but larger ones usually run $85-$100 per hour here on the west coast. When I lived in Colorado, the prices ran about the same.

I agree with the person that said those look like home jobs. Anyone can go on ebay and buy a tattoo gun. I bought one for $40 that included the entire professional setup including needles, ink, and the shipping. Mine is for tattooing rabbits though, not people (though I think the the use of the word people when describing these degenerates is a stretch).

I agree.

A 27 year old young man at our church ... my son's friend for twenty began getting tattoos following gradulation from high school.  This guy is very good looking ... educated ... hard working and ... has a heart of gold.  However ... his arms and back are covered with a beautiful colorful design which I would appreciate if it was on canvas and framed.  The scarey thing is ... he claims he is not done.  Although he is loved for himself ... my son shared that none of their group of long time friends for the most part understand what makes this guy tick in regards to his obsession with tattoos.

Today ... Matt was the coordinator over 20 young adults at sandwich making meet and ... at this moment most of the group are on Hasting Street in downtown Vancouver handing our these sandwiches to the homeless.

pfaubush ... I am afraid that one day Matt is going to have regrets.

Janet
   

I finally got my first tattoo after many years of thinking about getting one.  Not in a million years would you think I had one.  I think it's beautiful and I'm happy I got it.

[Shell]

There's a commonly used tattoo that is a jack n the box with an evil clown-jester type thing for the jack or whatever they call the clown guy.

It's popular with the same type of person who would like demonic clown imagery.  There are a lot of examples if you google tattoo designs or something like "Jack n the box tattoo" images on Google.  (I found a site, but afraid to post it here because it might link to something else - who knows.)

I try to be a little lenient on people when looking at their tattoos; a lot of people try to look more tough and cool than they are with their tattoos.  But some tattoos will show you whether or not a person has much care for society by some choices. 

Excellent observation >>>"But some tattoos will show you whether or not a person has much care for society by some choices. " (so true IMHO)

[Shell]

I also think a lot depends on geography. Tats are socially accepted in certain locals more than others.

From personal experience, I came to the conclusion it is their butt (or whatever), and not mine so it is none of my business. I would never prejudge someone because of a tattoo, but that's just me.

[Shell]

Is it known when he got the Zahara tattoo? I am just getting here and did not backtrack. Tks

[Tamikosmom]

On the topic of tattoos...not all people with tattoos are weird freaks. I have one on my leg, one on my shoulder and my entire back is covered with one. All of them can be covered, and if you looked at me (ask Monkey King, as I think she has seen my FB photo) you would never guess I had one.

Someone asked about the price. Smaller ones are often charged by the piece but larger ones usually run $85-$100 per hour here on the west coast. When I lived in Colorado, the prices ran about the same.

I agree with the person that said those look like home jobs. Anyone can go on ebay and buy a tattoo gun. I bought one for $40 that included the entire professional setup including needles, ink, and the shipping. Mine is for tattooing rabbits though, not people (though I think the the use of the word people when describing these degenerates is a stretch).

I agree.

A 27 year old young man at our church ... my son's friend for twenty began getting tattoos following gradulation from high school.  This guy is very good looking ... educated ... hard working and ... has a heart of gold.  However ... his arms and back are covered with a beautiful colorful design which I would appreciate if it was on canvas and framed.  The scarey thing is ... he claims he is not done.  Although he is loved for himself ... my son shared that none of their group of long time friends for the most part understand what makes this guy tick in regards to his obsession with tattoos.

Today ... Matt was the coordinator over 20 young adults at sandwich making meet and ... at this moment most of the group are on Hasting Street in downtown Vancouver handing our these sandwiches to the homeless.

pfaubush ... I am afraid that one day Matt is going to have regrets.

Janet
   

I finally got my first tattoo after many years of thinking about getting one.  Not in a million years would you think I had one.  I think it's beautiful and I'm happy I got it.

San ... liked you ... I wish Matt had been more conservative.  Up until the past year ... his tattoos could be covered if necessary by wearing a long sleeve shirt.  However ... that is now history when you consider the backs of his hands.

This guy is currently involved in a serious relationship and ... I think his girlfriend may be a positive influence in the tattoo department.  At least that the prayer of Matt's mother.

 

Janet

[bdfmom]

Hi everyone this is my first post here but I have followed Zahras case from the begining.
I saw on AYs FB page before it was closed that he his wife and one other didnt say who were all getting Zahra tats. Id say hes had it approximatley 2 weeks.

[Lenie]

My daughters tattoos are beautiful. She never wears shorts when she goes anywhere, always blue jeans or khakis, so you can't see it. She also has several on her back. A huge cross, praying hands with the name Billy (my deceased mother ) under them, and another closer to the bottom that is huge in my opinion.  I don't judge people by the body art either.  They make the choices and have to live with those choices. I believe you can portray yourself differently and have the same tattoos as others and be looked at differently. (if that makes any sense.) The only reason I don't have one is because I am a chicken

As far as the death penalty thing, if they find one little thing that EB lied about, I think it would make the contract null.

[pfaubush]

On the topic of tattoos...not all people with tattoos are weird freaks. I have one on my leg, one on my shoulder and my entire back is covered with one. All of them can be covered, and if you looked at me (ask Monkey King, as I think she has seen my FB photo) you would never guess I had one.

Someone asked about the price. Smaller ones are often charged by the piece but larger ones usually run $85-$100 per hour here on the west coast. When I lived in Colorado, the prices ran about the same.

I agree with the person that said those look like home jobs. Anyone can go on ebay and buy a tattoo gun. I bought one for $40 that included the entire professional setup including needles, ink, and the shipping. Mine is for tattooing rabbits though, not people (though I think the the use of the word people when describing these degenerates is a stretch).

I agree.

A 27 year old young man at our church ... my son's friend for twenty began getting tattoos following gradulation from high school.  This guy is very good looking ... educated ... hard working and ... has a heart of gold.  However ... his arms and back are covered with a beautiful colorful design which I would appreciate if it was on canvas and framed.  The scarey thing is ... he claims he is not done.  Although he is loved for himself ... my son shared that none of their group of long time friends for the most part understand what makes this guy tick in regards to his obsession with tattoos.

Today ... Matt was the coordinator over 20 young adults at sandwich making meet and ... at this moment most of the group are on Hasting Street in downtown Vancouver handing our these sandwiches to the homeless.

pfaubush ... I am afraid that one day Matt is going to have regrets.

Janet
   

Janet, my tats are one in a long string of regrets. I don't feel comfortable swimming when we have homeschool swim for the kids, I don't like to wear certain clothes, my wedding dress had to fit the bill, etc. But, alas, they are a part of me and who I once was.

[Nana29]

My daughters tattoos are beautiful. She never wears shorts when she goes anywhere, always blue jeans or khakis, so you can't see it. She also has several on her back. A huge cross, praying hands with the name Billy (my deceased mother ) under them, and another closer to the bottom that is huge in my opinion.  I don't judge people by the body art either.  They make the choices and have to live with those choices. I believe you can portray yourself differently and have the same tattoos as others and be looked at differently. (if that makes any sense.) The only reason I don't have one is because I am a chicken

As far as the death penalty thing, if they find one little thing that EB lied about, I think it would make the contract null.

I have a daughter with tattoos...her choice, some I think are ok, some, hmm...her choice. I personally decided I didn't want to start with a rosebud and as time and gravity took place end up with the whole blooming rose!     
As far as AY/Zahra tat? I have a hard time with his motives behind it...don't think they were all innocent.

[Tamikosmom]

My daughters tattoos are beautiful. She never wears shorts when she goes anywhere, always blue jeans or khakis, so you can't see it. She also has several on her back. A huge cross, praying hands with the name Billy (my deceased mother ) under them, and another closer to the bottom that is huge in my opinion.  I don't judge people by the body art either.  They make the choices and have to live with those choices. I believe you can portray yourself differently and have the same tattoos as others and be looked at differently. (if that makes any sense.) The only reason I don't have one is because I am a chicken

As far as the death penalty thing, if they find one little thing that EB lied about, I think it would make the contract null.

I have a daughter with tattoos...her choice, some I think are ok, some, hmm...her choice. I personally decided I didn't want to start with a rosebud and as time and gravity took place end up with the whole blooming rose!     
As far as AY/Zahra tat? I have a hard time with his motives behind it...don't think they were all innocent.

 

Nana ... you are a hoot!

Good Night All

Janet
9:00 PM PT

[Nana29]

My daughters tattoos are beautiful. She never wears shorts when she goes anywhere, always blue jeans or khakis, so you can't see it. She also has several on her back. A huge cross, praying hands with the name Billy (my deceased mother ) under them, and another closer to the bottom that is huge in my opinion.  I don't judge people by the body art either.  They make the choices and have to live with those choices. I believe you can portray yourself differently and have the same tattoos as others and be looked at differently. (if that makes any sense.) The only reason I don't have one is because I am a chicken

As far as the death penalty thing, if they find one little thing that EB lied about, I think it would make the contract null.

I have a daughter with tattoos...her choice, some I think are ok, some, hmm...her choice. I personally decided I didn't want to start with a rosebud and as time and gravity took place end up with the whole blooming rose!     
As far as AY/Zahra tat? I have a hard time with his motives behind it...don't think they were all innocent.

 

Nana ... you are a hoot!

Good Night All

Janet
9:00 PM PT

Nite Janet. God Bless   

[klaasend]

Hi everyone this is my first post here but I have followed Zahras case from the begining.
I saw on AYs FB page before it was closed that he his wife and one other didnt say who were all getting Zahra tats. Id say hes had it approximatley 2 weeks.

Welcome bdfmom!  Thanks for the info!

[pfaubush]

Welcome bdfmom!

[Monkey King]

Welcome to the cage, bdfmom!!

Wasn't it determined that AY lived across the street from the Bakers?

AY was portrayed as EB's brother. What we've been led to understand AY was married to EB for 10 years. AY was apparently there for EB's daughters when they were growing up- I'd assume more of a parent than EB.
AY may have had the same parent/daughter relationship with Zahra before the Bakers moved from that location. I'd like to think Zahra had a relationship with an adult who actually cared. Sure, AY comes off a little odd to some, but if the man continues to maintain relationships with EB's daughters and complained to DSS on Zahra's care, then I'm thinking he was sincere and he really does like and enjoy children. Not everyone who enjoys children has to be a pedophile. Zahra touched many people and was loved. Too bad her idiot father and stepmother were so self absorbedm

I'm sure AY has a. Of info on EB that AB would find interesting. AY may turn out to be an important witness.