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« Reply #580 on: November 22, 2010, 03:56:05 PM »

Janet,
     I don't KNOW, but Joran is awaiting trial in Peru. There is no extradition treaty with Aruba or the Netherlands. It's my beleif that Joran will serve his sentence (hopefully be murdered in Castro Castro). then be sent to stand trial in the US where charges have already been filed against him. If he ever makes it back to Aruba, he'll be an old man.

I agree Curly and I seriously doubt that even if he were convicted of murder in Aruba he would spend any real time in jail there.  I do believe Peru and the US are our best bets for justice.
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« Reply #581 on: November 22, 2010, 03:57:43 PM »

Janet,
     I don't KNOW, but Joran is awaiting trial in Peru. There is no extradition treaty with Aruba or the Netherlands. It's my beleif that Joran will serve his sentence (hopefully be murdered in Castro Castro). then be sent to stand trial in the US where charges have already been filed against him. If he ever makes it back to Aruba, he'll be an old man.

I realize that there is no extradition treaty between Peru and Aruba but ... I am so suspicious that negotiations are going on behind the scenes ... negotiations that will spare Joran from serving a good portion of his life in a Peruvian lockup.  Even Stephany's father who has political influence in Peru is disgusted by what appears to be  preferential treatment of Joran.

Hey ... what will be will be.

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Ricardo Flores:

'Joran lives like a king in jail.'

'It is shameful what happens in prisons. I think the INPE has to give the same treatment to all criminals.'

'Unfortunately it seems that there are laws in Congress to protect the criminal, not to try and sentence them.'

November, 2010

http://www.generaccion.com/noticia/83737/familia-flores-aseguran-que-joran-van-der-sloot-vive-como-rey

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« Reply #582 on: November 22, 2010, 04:02:42 PM »


I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.



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« Reply #583 on: November 22, 2010, 04:03:35 PM »

Posted on the front page of SM (I wonder too):

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I wonder if the bone comes back as Natalee, if the Kalpoe bros. will start singing esp. knowing that Joran could turn on them in some sort of plea deal.
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« Reply #584 on: November 22, 2010, 04:03:52 PM »

Klaas

Thank you for the Phil McGraw/Kalpoes document.

Janet
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« Reply #585 on: November 22, 2010, 04:04:06 PM »

I like all Monkey's want the results. I just wonder if it might be someone else and they contacting the family? 
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« Reply #586 on: November 22, 2010, 04:04:49 PM »


I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I hope too but I'm not holding my breath.  More likely they will say a further search found more remains of Natalee and they are giving her back to her family.
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« Reply #587 on: November 22, 2010, 04:05:36 PM »

I like all Monkey's want the results. I just wonder if it might be someone else and they contacting the family? 

Could be but YOU WOULD THINK if it's NOT Natalee they would just come out and say it.
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« Reply #588 on: November 22, 2010, 04:07:30 PM »


I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I hope too but I'm not holding my breath.  More likely they will say a further search found more remains of Natalee and they are giving her back to her family.

 

I never thought about that.

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« Reply #589 on: November 22, 2010, 04:07:39 PM »


I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I hope too but I'm not holding my breath.  More likely they will say a further search found more remains of Natalee and they are giving her back to her family.

I wonder if they wouldn't continue to hold on to the bone/bones if needed for prosecution.  Is the record of findings and the reports enough for trial and they could release the bone/s??
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« Reply #590 on: November 22, 2010, 04:08:48 PM »


I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I hope too but I'm not holding my breath.  More likely they will say a further search found more remains of Natalee and they are giving her back to her family.

 

I never thought about that.

Janet

Was that further search done with a backhoe?   Or are they going to look in that top cabinet drawer?
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« Reply #591 on: November 22, 2010, 04:09:10 PM »

Jinkasaurus on HLN

Just received an email from a close friend of Beth:

Beth has not been personally contacted about the results, and believes this to be just one more road well traveled by her with Aruba...leading to absolutely nowhere.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #592 on: November 22, 2010, 04:10:49 PM »

Jinkasaurus on HLN

Just received an email from a close friend of Beth:

Beth has not been personally contacted about the results, and believes this to be just one more road well traveled by her with Aruba...leading to absolutely nowhere.

How disappointing if true and how cruel
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« Reply #593 on: November 22, 2010, 04:11:47 PM »

Was just watching HL News and they were speaking with Jean Kisaras.  She says she was in contact with a relative of Beth's who stated that Beth has not been contacted directly by Aruban authorities since the jawbone was found.  She went on to say that Beth stated this is a road that she has traveled down many times before.

If they are going to announce via mass email tomorrow what the results are of the jawbone, if it is Natalee's, then they only have 12 hours or so to contact Beth and/or Dave Holloway.

Urrrrrggggggghhhhhh.  Why prolong it.  Just come out now and tell what you know Aruba !   
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« Reply #594 on: November 22, 2010, 04:12:09 PM »


I hope that tomorrow afternoon, post-announcement, sees the beginning of a call for the free and full release and analysis of the ROV video that recorded the January 7, 2008 Aruban recovery of the human remains in the crab trap found by the crew of the Persistence.





I hope too but I'm not holding my breath.  More likely they will say a further search found more remains of Natalee and they are giving her back to her family.

 

I never thought about that.

Janet

Was that further search done with a backhoe?   Or are they going to look in that top cabinet drawer?

Both?

Could it be that Natalee's remains will be retrieved from the "top cabinet drawer" but Aruba will claim they were recovered in the backhoe search of the beach?

Janet

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« Reply #595 on: November 22, 2010, 04:12:48 PM »

FWIW

Glenda PostPosted: Mon Nov 22, 2010 3:48 pm       

I predict that this bone / tooth is not related to the case.
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« Reply #596 on: November 22, 2010, 04:14:07 PM »

Jinkasaurus on HLN

Just received an email from a close friend of Beth:

Beth has not been personally contacted about the results, and believes this to be just one more road well traveled by her with Aruba...leading to absolutely nowhere.

How disappointing if true and how cruel

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« Reply #597 on: November 22, 2010, 04:15:05 PM »

http://www.brabantsdagblad.nl/regios/7671388/Gevonden-kaak-Aruba-van-Natalee.ece

According to Google Translate...

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CURAAO - The lower jaw that November 12 was found on Aruba Natalee Holloway, who disappeared in 2005 after a night out on the Caribbean island. Curacao reported that a radio producer on Twitter based on "an anonymous source." There is an official confirmation yet.

The Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI), which examines the jaw since the discovery has not yet officially reported. Probably tomorrow with the institute's findings.

Natalee Holloway disappeared in 2005 during a trip with her school. Despite great quests on the island, has never found evidence for the death of the teenager. The Dutchman Joran van der Sloot was the last person seen with her and is still suspected of the disappearance. Currently, Van der Sloot down in Peru on suspicion of one (not the Holloway-case related) murder of a young woman.
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« Reply #598 on: November 22, 2010, 04:15:08 PM »

Was just watching HL News and they were speaking with Jean Kisaras.  She says she was in contact with a relative of Beth's who stated that Beth has not been contacted directly by Aruban authorities since the jawbone was found.  She went on to say that Beth stated this is a road that she has traveled down many times before.

If they are going to announce via mass email tomorrow what the results are of the jawbone, if it is Natalee's, then they only have 12 hours or so to contact Beth and/or Dave Holloway.

Urrrrrggggggghhhhhh.  Why prolong it.  Just come out now and tell what you know Aruba !   

IF THEY THINK THEY ARE SAVING THEMSELVES OR LOOKING BETTER TO POTENTIAL TOURISTS BY PLAYING THIS GAME THEY ARE WRONG.  WHATEVER THE ANSWER TOMORROW ARUBA SUCKS  - DON'T GO THERE.
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« Reply #599 on: November 22, 2010, 04:16:15 PM »

I hope this person (the source in the article above) knows what they're talking about.
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