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« Reply #820 on: November 22, 2010, 08:58:21 PM »

RED - did you get a chance to try and reach Beth?  It's entirely possible that neither her or Dave have been told yet.  Sounds like Dave may believe it is indeed Natalee.  Also appears that Tim Miller may be going back to search for more remains.

I have texted & left a message for Beth today, but have not heard anything. Although, if it is Natalee I would not really expect to hear from Beth. She must be devasated. Understand also that if Beth did tell me something, I would probably be asked not to repeat it.

This is my take on it, or at least it better be the case. I would like to think that Aruba Prosecutor would have the common decency to tell the parents, one way or the other, whether the remains belong to Natalee. If not, it is yet just another FU in the PR nightmare that has been Aruba in handling thsi case.

I think the parents know, they just probably are saying something otherwise to the MSM so not to have to deal with questions.

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Thanks Red!

What's your call Klaas, thinks its her? I can't imagine them having a presser to say its not natalee. I mean just how many young, white girls have gone missing in Aruba?

If it's NOT Natalee, this will be the biggest mistake they have made since not originally arresting Joran and the Kalpoes back on May 31, 2005.

If it's not Natalee there is no reason for them not to simply say, NO, it's not Natalee and we are still trying to determine who it is thru DNA. 

That is why I believe it is Natalee but Aruba has fooled me before.  They are often in the Bizarro world.
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« Reply #821 on: November 22, 2010, 08:59:20 PM »

In my opinion, there is no hope Aruba will do the right thing. There is the chance that Holland and the KLPD will FORCE them and pin them into a corner and make Aruba admit what we all know.

They should have smuggled the bones out of Aruba and handed them over to the FBI. The crime scene has not been secured by (what passes as) the police and people are free to dig around the area, toss the bones into the sea, or save them as dead-american trophies. It would be ridiculous and unbelievable if we didn't already know that the Aruban political elite, judicial system, and thug-police have been subverting everything in this case for years. The justice minister stated that the Kalpoe brothers were unequivocally involved in helping to dispose of Natalee's body but he refused to prosecute. Apparently, the Aruban justice minister can't find "accessory to murder" and "criminal conspiracy" in the law books.

* Who will be surprised when the bones disappear, or are mishandled in such a way as to make them useless (e.g., Aruban police, in an attempt to "preserve the bones" accidentally dropped them in a big vat of bleach rendering them useless for DNA testing)? No one.

* Who will be surprised when it's announced that they have the test results but won't release the information because it's an ongoing case? No one.

* Who will be surprised when it's announced that they are not Natalee's bones but they refuse to allow an independent (USA) lab to do genetic testing? No one.

* Who will be surprised if they announce that bones are from Natalee but it's a closed case thus it doesn't matter? No one.

I mean, it's not like murdering American tourists is a crime in Aruba or anything. Honestly, the Kalpoes are still running around trying to cash in. Even a misdemeanor conviction and slap on the wrist would keep them from profiting via the ongoing absurd lawsuit and any possible book or speaking fees. This is obscene.

Edit to correct spelling of Natalee's name.
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« Reply #822 on: November 22, 2010, 09:00:52 PM »

Ruppa spoke to Anita today who said she has not been in touch with her son and has not visited him.

Anita lies as much as Joran....he learned from the master.  

I simply cannot imagine having that passel of lying Sloot land pigs as my country`s chief export.

 

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« Reply #823 on: November 22, 2010, 09:07:22 PM »

Hello!

Look who's here! The Monkey Family is gathering around the fire, circling the wagons for Justice for Natalee!

Just can't believe they aren't searching the areas but as you say, Red, after what happened in the garbage dump.. remember you needed heavy equipment and they said "get it from the front lawn of the White House?" Gads, what a bunch! I hope your ills from there have gone away by now, but I know will always be heavy on your heart!

Tim's a good man. Because of you, Mrs. Red, Klaas I had the honor to be with him, Donna Jou's Aunt, Uncle, Father in a private search. Thank you for matching me up. It gave a whole new value to me.

Everyone, have a good Thanksgiving. I am doing my usual, Meals on Wheels finds a church or troop to cook and I curl up with you,  with some good books or trace some ancestors.

Love to all from IBE, my 14 yr. old blind dog and my cat, plus flowers, clutter bug and Aronia bushes from NC (eBay). They have turned a beautiful autumn colors so I feel like in Indiana when I look at them (all 12 leaves). Next time this year I will have Aronia berries (bitter but healthy) to eat and freeze. I am trying to put plants (only container gardening allowed) that I can eat in an earthquake and have for 1st aid. Have stockpile easy open soup, Spam, tuna, dog, cat, kitty lit and some water where space allows. This weekend I buy clips and not the paper kind if you know what I mean ((smiles)).

Sorry got off topic. Love to all.
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« Reply #824 on: November 22, 2010, 09:07:54 PM »

Second bone found on the beach in Aruba would Aruba Op half bone were found. This informs the American channel CNN.

A reporter talked with the tourist who has made the discovery. Tuesday is more known about the first bone, a jaw, that more than one week ago on the beach in Aruba was found.

http://www.hartvannederland.nl/nederland/2010/tweede-bot-gevonden-op-aruba/
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« Reply #825 on: November 22, 2010, 09:08:48 PM »

location of 2nd bone

I actually walked down here once - that's all you need to never go again.

This is really as far as you can go between Palm beach and Eagle beach.

It's all rocky with an out cove that pelicans all land on ...

it's a major mess of rocks and out-cropped coral.

In my opinion - it would be a very very chance discovery ... I can't see anyone placing a bone here to hope someone walks here to stumble upon it.

Once was enough, even with thick beach wear shoes.
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« Reply #826 on: November 22, 2010, 09:08:59 PM »

I am thinking that it is Natalee, otherwise, why the big announcement tomorrow when they already know? they could have just come out and said, the jaw bone did not belong to Natalee Holloway..

Regardless, it belongs to some who has lost their life for one reason or another..maybe another person's nightmare of their loved one's disappearance will be answered..
But I believe that it is Natalee..jmo..
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« Reply #827 on: November 22, 2010, 09:11:45 PM »

Ruppa spoke to Anita today who said she has not been in touch with her son and has not visited him.

Anita lies as much as Joran....he learned from the master.  

I simply cannot imagine having that passel of lying Sloot land pigs as my country`s chief export.

 



Me either Carpe!   

Did you see Anita's new Facebook profile picture?  Magnolia gave us the heads up about it last night and I brought it over this morning.  The discussion about it starts on page 22 of this thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8964.msg1266270#msg1266270



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #828 on: November 22, 2010, 09:12:14 PM »

Today jaw answer about Aruba
Justice on Aruba tonight with the results of forensic examination of a piece of jawbone that was found on the island. Dutch Forensic Institute analyzed the bone.

It is buzzing with rumors that the bone of the missing Natalee Holloway would be. The American disappeared in 2005 after a night out with Joran van der Sloot.

The jawbone was found on the beach in Aruba. On speculation that the discovery of the infamous disappearance case can be linked if the Aruban prosecutor said nothing so far

http://www.rtl.nl/(/actueel/rtlnieuws/binnenland/)/components/actueel/rtlnieuws/2010/11_november/23/binnenland/vandaag-uitsluitsel-over-kaak-aruba.xml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
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« Reply #829 on: November 22, 2010, 09:13:43 PM »

Maybe it is just my distrust and intense hatred of the whole despicable bunch, BUT even though the whole world knows that Joran confessed back in 2005, I don't think they will ever prosecute him.  I don't think they will even charge him.  They have proven time and again that they can do whatever they want to and "we just don't understand their judicial system".  Maybe that is because they don't have a judicial system.  I feel they have destroyed any evidence that incriminates Joran (of course, they haven't destroyed his big fat mouth yet, the one thing that incriminates him the most). 

I don't trust the Netherlands either.  Blood is sent and it comes back chocolate.  A bone is not human, it is a donkey.  We, the USA, do not have control over this situation and that is exactly what we need.  I know I am being very pessimistic but I am just sick of them.  And I don't understand their so called system because it is null and void.

I treat my animals better than Aruba treats human lives.  It is just too much for me to comprehend. 

Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the guy at the Westin say the other bone that was found was about 3 inches long and 1/4 inch in diameter.  On Nancy Grace, it was reported that it was 8 inches long and 3/4 inch in diameter.  It must have grown before it arrived in the Hague.

Sorry for my ramblings, Monkeys are the only ones I can vent my frustrations with over this. 

     
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« Reply #830 on: November 22, 2010, 09:16:14 PM »

The tests will be positive but they will say it's a fake, forgery and the Dutch Legal System will not recognize it as Natalee's remains even though it really is. It will be found that a certain porn star is claiming the jawbone is her's and that Charlie Sheen knocked it out of her. Gloria Allred is representing the boy who found the second bone and Tacopina is representing the first family, likely the same family that saw the beach flasher (Holloway trivia) Arlene pops up to lisp her way to an explanation as to the Dutch legal system needing at least 20% of a body to declare it a body. Aruba will impose a $500,000.00 export tax on the Holloways if they want the bone brought home. Allred and Tacopina will sue for a finder's fee.

Pieces of Natalee. I'm numb to savagery after all these years.
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« Reply #831 on: November 22, 2010, 09:16:38 PM »

Good to see you IBE!
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« Reply #832 on: November 22, 2010, 09:18:19 PM »

A reporter talked with the tourist who has made the discovery.

Jesus Christ! Tourists are digging up the remains of a murder victim like it's an easter egg hunt.

I can't express how angry and enraged I am by this.
It's a big joke to them. It's unbelievable!
 
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« Reply #833 on: November 22, 2010, 09:18:42 PM »

Name 39 News Houston

On 39 at 9: Massive apartment fire in Pasadena leaves families homeless days before the holiday | Natalee Holloway update from TX Equusearch
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« Reply #834 on: November 22, 2010, 09:18:42 PM »

Whoa, is Anita's facebook profile pic a portrait of Sebestain?
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« Reply #835 on: November 22, 2010, 09:18:55 PM »

Maybe it is just my distrust and intense hatred of the whole despicable bunch, BUT even though the whole world knows that Joran confessed back in 2005, I don't think they will ever prosecute him.  I don't think they will even charge him.  They have proven time and again that they can do whatever they want to and "we just don't understand their judicial system".  Maybe that is because they don't have a judicial system.  I feel they have destroyed any evidence that incriminates Joran (of course, they haven't destroyed his big fat mouth yet, the one thing that incriminates him the most). 

I don't trust the Netherlands either.  Blood is sent and it comes back chocolate.  A bone is not human, it is a donkey.  We, the USA, do not have control over this situation and that is exactly what we need.  I know I am being very pessimistic but I am just sick of them.  And I don't understand their so called system because it is null and void.

I treat my animals better than Aruba treats human lives.  It is just too much for me to comprehend. 

Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the guy at the Westin say the other bone that was found was about 3 inches long and 1/4 inch in diameter.  On Nancy Grace, it was reported that it was 8 inches long and 3/4 inch in diameter.  It must have grown before it arrived in the Hague.

Sorry for my ramblings, Monkeys are the only ones I can vent my frustrations with over this. 

     

My hate and distrust must even be bigger than yours...I was thinking that more than likely the bone that was being discussed as turned in today wasn't even the one found by the little boy, since that one was probably thrown out in the trash the day those tourists left.  Since they knew CNN was contacted they had to come up with something, so it probably is a rib bone from somebody's BBQ dinner.

 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #836 on: November 22, 2010, 09:18:56 PM »

Hi Rob, thanks for everything. I remember back to even you discussions on cell phones..

What is the "Tilberg Connection"? TIA
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« Reply #837 on: November 22, 2010, 09:20:54 PM »

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Natalee is the reason I joined Scared Monkeys.  I'm so feeling every emotion right now and that's not a good thing for a gal my age.  I can only imagine how Beth feels.  For some reason I just get teary thinking what Natalee's family is being made to go through (now and for these years).  Oh I so hope they get what we all are praying for.

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« Reply #838 on: November 22, 2010, 09:25:30 PM »

Maybe it is just my distrust and intense hatred of the whole despicable bunch, BUT even though the whole world knows that Joran confessed back in 2005, I don't think they will ever prosecute him.  I don't think they will even charge him.  They have proven time and again that they can do whatever they want to and "we just don't understand their judicial system".  Maybe that is because they don't have a judicial system.  I feel they have destroyed any evidence that incriminates Joran (of course, they haven't destroyed his big fat mouth yet, the one thing that incriminates him the most). 

I don't trust the Netherlands either.  Blood is sent and it comes back chocolate.  A bone is not human, it is a donkey.  We, the USA, do not have control over this situation and that is exactly what we need.  I know I am being very pessimistic but I am just sick of them.  And I don't understand their so called system because it is null and void.

I treat my animals better than Aruba treats human lives.  It is just too much for me to comprehend. 

Please correct me if I am wrong, but didn't the guy at the Westin say the other bone that was found was about 3 inches long and 1/4 inch in diameter.  On Nancy Grace, it was reported that it was 8 inches long and 3/4 inch in diameter.  It must have grown before it arrived in the Hague.

Sorry for my ramblings, Monkeys are the only ones I can vent my frustrations with over this. 

     

My hate and distrust must even be bigger than yours...I was thinking that more than likely the bone that was being discussed as turned in today wasn't even the one found by the little boy, since that one was probably thrown out in the trash the day those tourists left.  Since they knew CNN was contacted they had to come up with something, so it probably is a rib bone from somebody's BBQ dinner.

 


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« Reply #839 on: November 22, 2010, 09:27:43 PM »

Question - who was the woman on NG tonight that said the day the jaw bone was found, authorities roped off the area, and the following day (Saturday), spent all day digging the area ?  I was listening to the tv, but wasn't able to watch.  That's the first time that I've heard that, and was wondering if it was just one of many of Aruba's "paid liars".
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