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« Reply #840 on: November 24, 2010, 11:46:35 PM »

I see a cop hat...(Rob, Anna) I see what CBB sees too, with the bones.


...and on the right night, after a hot tottie and 1 benadryl... I can see Natalee in it!

I love you guys. I think you're all right.

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bro bro - I always said there were bones and a hip socket for sure.

never denied that. 

I just didn't see crabs that I want to cook .... 

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« Reply #841 on: November 24, 2010, 11:51:11 PM »

I see a cop hat...(Rob, Anna) I see what CBB sees too, with the bones.


...and on the right night, after a hot tottie and 1 benadryl... I can see Natalee in it!

I love you guys. I think you're all right.

Happy Thanksgiving!

bro bro - I always said there were bones and a hip socket for sure.

never denied that. 

I just didn't see crabs that I want to cook .... 



  Oh, I know... I didn't mean to make it look like I excluded ya. Sorry.

You ssssaid "Crabs"
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« Reply #842 on: November 24, 2010, 11:54:17 PM »

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In addition, it is also difficult to say whether the jaw belonged to a female or male due to the mixed composition of the ‘Caribbean’ population, according to Stein.




Maybe he means they are all Bi 
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« Reply #843 on: November 24, 2010, 11:55:12 PM »

Titch - I don't remember the brand of skirt.
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« Reply #844 on: November 24, 2010, 11:55:49 PM »

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In addition, it is also difficult to say whether the jaw belonged to a female or male due to the mixed composition of the ‘Caribbean’ population, according to Stein.





Don't you just love that quote? What other composition  of the Caribbean population is there besides male and female?  Hummmmmmmmm
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« Reply #845 on: November 24, 2010, 11:56:33 PM »

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« Reply #846 on: November 24, 2010, 11:57:00 PM »

I see a cop hat...(Rob, Anna) I see what CBB sees too, with the bones.


...and on the right night, after a hot tottie and 1 benadryl... I can see Natalee in it!

I love you guys. I think you're all right.

Happy Thanksgiving!

bro bro - I always said there were bones and a hip socket for sure.

never denied that. 

I just didn't see crabs that I want to cook .... 



  Oh, I know... I didn't mean to make it look like I excluded ya. Sorry.

You ssssaid "Crabs"

you'll ALWAYS be my bro bro!!!

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I know there will be a fight over who loves you most - but it's ME!!!

 
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« Reply #847 on: November 24, 2010, 11:59:17 PM »

I have often wondered about his composition  Monkey Devil!

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« Reply #848 on: November 25, 2010, 12:02:42 AM »

I have often wondered about his composition  Monkey Devil!




I don't think there is anything to wonder about there. LOL
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« Reply #849 on: November 25, 2010, 12:03:32 AM »

I have often wondered about his composition  Monkey Devil!



You're not the only one!   
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #850 on: November 25, 2010, 12:06:17 AM »

I wanna tell you all something - Joran is a dead man and his time on this earth is about over. This is the way the Universe operates.

Good things / Bad things.

Beth will somehow  / someway make her way

Dave will make it too.

The justice we all seek will be delivered in it's own time.

It's very hard to accept that - but it's true. It will happen in it's own time -

Mr. Fate.. KarmaRoundUp... and God control it all.

hang in there...it's been painful for everyone, but it will happen in it's own time.

and that might not be in this lifetime .. as Peaches found...

Love always..

prayers for all of you and Natalee...

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« Reply #851 on: November 25, 2010, 12:11:21 AM »

I wanna tell you all something - Joran is a dead man and his time on this earth is about over. This is the way the Universe operates.

Good things / Bad things.

Beth will somehow  / someway make her way

Dave will make it too.

The justice we all seek will be delivered in it's own time.

It's very hard to accept that - but it's true. It will happen in it's own time -

Mr. Fate.. KarmaRoundUp... and God control it all.

hang in there...it's been painful for everyone, but it will happen in it's own time.

and that might not be in this lifetime .. as Peaches found...

Love always..

prayers for all of you and Natalee...

 an angelic monkey


Rob, you can be such a sweet and kind man.
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« Reply #852 on: November 25, 2010, 12:16:10 AM »

Thanks Rob, very nicely said. 
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« Reply #853 on: November 25, 2010, 12:18:36 AM »

I wanna tell you all something - Joran is a dead man and his time on this earth is about over. This is the way the Universe operates.

Good things / Bad things.

Beth will somehow  / someway make her way

Dave will make it too.

The justice we all seek will be delivered in it's own time.

It's very hard to accept that - but it's true. It will happen in it's own time -

Mr. Fate.. KarmaRoundUp... and God control it all.

hang in there...it's been painful for everyone, but it will happen in it's own time.

and that might not be in this lifetime .. as Peaches found...

Love always..

prayers for all of you and Natalee...

 an angelic monkey

I know that's right! I wish Jug had killed the little son of a .... when he had the chance.
He's too decent of a guy to do that... but I can still dream about it.

Pow! Four of them. Bag them and tag them, baby. I call it COMMUNITY SERVICE.

I believe in giving back.
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« Reply #854 on: November 25, 2010, 12:32:09 AM »

I wanna tell you all something - Joran is a dead man and his time on this earth is about over. This is the way the Universe operates.

Good things / Bad things.

Beth will somehow  / someway make her way

Dave will make it too.

The justice we all seek will be delivered in it's own time.

It's very hard to accept that - but it's true. It will happen in it's own time -

Mr. Fate.. KarmaRoundUp... and God control it all.

hang in there...it's been painful for everyone, but it will happen in it's own time.

and that might not be in this lifetime .. as Peaches found...

Love always..

prayers for all of you and Natalee...

 an angelic monkey

Thanks Rob!  an angelic monkey
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #855 on: November 25, 2010, 02:47:48 AM »

1. Was the trap door open when they found it? I ask in regards to anything been planted. Was there some sort of lock on the cage? Was there time enough between the first pictures and the dive for anything to be planted like a hat. Hat looks pretty new to me. Would the plastic or leather trim be affected by salt water.

2. If it was a police shield, was it made of something that the salt water would not destroy?

3. It was mentioned that polyester or some fabric in the past is not affected by salt water. Was at anytime the PO hat shield of Aruba sown on there rather than pinned?

The speakese of the OM is truly sad.  First not informing the family before the press and Yes, male/female can be recognized so we are told. To me to hear that because of a mixed race culture a body part can't be recognized is a slap in the face to intelligence, human dignity and IMO I would question the intelligence of their lab people and their processes.

No pun intended, but the whole thing with the trap smells fishy to me.
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« Reply #856 on: November 25, 2010, 03:15:48 AM »



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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #857 on: November 25, 2010, 03:26:30 AM »

Sorry, some of my questions have been answered. Was suffering from HARPY

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« Reply #858 on: November 25, 2010, 03:30:25 AM »

1. Was the trap door open when they found it? I ask in regards to anything been planted. Was there some sort of lock on the cage? Was there time enough between the first pictures and the dive for anything to be planted like a hat. Hat looks pretty new to me. Would the plastic or leather trim be affected by salt water.

2. If it was a police shield, was it made of something that the salt water would not destroy?

3. It was mentioned that polyester or some fabric in the past is not affected by salt water. Was at anytime the PO hat shield of Aruba sown on there rather than pinned?

The speakese of the OM is truly sad.  First not informing the family before the press and Yes, male/female can be recognized so we are told. To me to hear that because of a mixed race culture a body part can't be recognized is a slap in the face to intelligence, human dignity and IMO I would question the intelligence of their lab people and their processes.

No pun intended, but the whole thing with the trap smells fishy to me.

IIRC from Kyle's description the trap door was laying inside the trap when it was found.  There was also a piece of blue tarp found near the trap.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4995.msg827426#msg827426

I don't know if this might answer another question or not...

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2705.msg366321#msg366321
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #859 on: November 25, 2010, 03:45:45 AM »

Hi ALL.

Just wanted to say - I'm with Anna on the service hat. I did a comparison a while back and can post it again, if anyone wants. But I think it is a cop's hat.

And that leads me to this - maybe this was a cop they found in that trap. They said it was MALE DNA but never said who they thought it could be. Could it be a dirty cop that was whacked by drug traffickers? Could it be a dirty cop that was whacked by other cops? Could it be a dirty cop that disappeared years and years ago? Seems like they have been wearing these caps and uniforms for decades. And couldn't this also be a good clean cop that didn't adhere to the Aruba Dirty Polis?

Aren't all those things possible too? I guess we could be so jaded by all the lies that when they tell the truth - we just don't believe it. I think the fact that they took off with the remains - leads everyone to think something went down and it was underhanded. But maybe they KNEW this cop was killed and maybe they didn't want that all coming out. Anyway - those are just some additional possibilities, but in the end - who knows.

What we do know - it was a person. That's confirmed and they said so themselves and the DNA lasted between 3 and 10 years according to Kyle who said he thought the trap was in the water that long. There is also the trap was there and someone placed a body there years later - but in any event - it was a person.

Maybe, believe it or not - Natalee has not been found, yet. Or maybe is unable to be found - and that's the reason why Joran laughs. Maybe, San's correct and she is on land. MAYBE in a tomb and will never be found. I don't know. But I think there is also the possibility that Zandaam was right when he said - the body of Natalee was found in two days and a favor was done for the son of Paulus to exculpate him. Mayyybbbe.


And Aruba is not the only place in the world to have cops and some cops even have a different colored service cap.  Other people wear service caps and it might belong to some sort of boatman.

Anything is possible.  But I know what I see and before the remains were moved, the cap was just below the chin of what many called a skull where it likely would have been had someone been wearing it when they were put in that trap.

What would commercial fishermen do with a body is someone died aboard their fishing boats?  Or if they killed someone and wanted to dispose of the body so it wouldn't float?

What has been seen can't be unseen by me.  But one thing is for sure--we don't and likely will never know if that was Natalee in the fish trap or who it was because ALE absconded with the remains.

So if Tim Miller is so hot to trot to go back and search the other targets, will that just be handed over to Aruba as well?  It is their territorial waters and so some protocol for sharing would have to be in place before any search is undertaken.

JMO
I think that is the bottom line -- we may all see different things in that trap -- but, we will never know because ALE absconded with the contents.

Hey guys, Anna may be onto something...

Rob, check it out:

Korps Politie Aruba
http://www.kparuba.com/albums/korpsdag/index.htm



Now, compare it to the blown-up photo I supplied earlier:



Could the cross symbol be similar? Could it actually be a sword inverted? Also, I noticed that the newer police people have a silver shield. It appears that the officers in authority may have brass shields (on their hats). Maybe this is an unfounded assumption, but hmmm, it would explain why the shield or patch would show up as black (or very dark) when the color is inverted on the picture.


... One last question: Are the Vrolijk's related to the Croes'? ...



thanks Titch..

but; you must realize that we have been over this a thousand times to Sunday.

To quote Janet -

the chance was most likely lost forever....

this part of the case was really closed when Kyle didn't call the FBI from land.
it looks like a hat but I think the cross symbol on the jeans/hat  is only a reflect of something, if you see the bag on the left side of the picture you will see that it has the same reflect
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