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« Reply #860 on: November 25, 2010, 03:59:18 AM »

This doesn't show up here.  Was this place searched? 

bubali bird santuary
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« Reply #861 on: November 25, 2010, 04:13:27 AM »

This doesn't show up here.  Was this place searched? 

bubali bird santuary

I can do a google search and the santuary pops up but when i search here it didn't.   
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« Reply #862 on: November 25, 2010, 04:37:15 AM »

This doesn't show up here.  Was this place searched? 

bubali bird santuary

I can do a google search and the santuary pops up but when i search here it didn't.   

Summarized from Dave Holloway's book:

The cadaver dogs had some hits there so Dave Holloway and his father in law searched an area in it in September 2005.  This is a very large area Dave Holloway described it as about 20 acres of waist high stagnant water and lily pads.  He said they waded through it for about three hours and it was very difficult to get through.  He thought the lily pads were probably strong enough to hold a body down.  But he also said he thought someone carrying a body through that would not have gone very far.  He also said he almost lost his shoe in the mud and wondered if Joran had lost his shoe there.  He and his father in law decided they needed more help to clear the area. 
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There was never a wide spread search of it that I'm aware of.

After Joran's arrest in Peru, Tim Miller went to Aruba supposedly to search this area using a map that Joran had drawn for Terror Jaap in his confession to him.  The reports were that Tim Miller wasn't allowed to search anywhere by the Aruban authorities.
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« Reply #863 on: November 25, 2010, 04:43:48 AM »



Justice for Natalee...



and Stephany!
 

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« Reply #864 on: November 25, 2010, 05:02:08 AM »

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone! 
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« Reply #865 on: November 25, 2010, 05:43:27 AM »

Can't spell either. Should be HARPPY   two p's for Previous Pages Here I am with  a V-8.

Maybe if I had something stronger than V8 I could think of a better torture for Joran and for all Aruba. But here's this one:

I'd buy houses next to all of the suspected drivers, batterers, premeditated murderers, murderers, Anita, officials, bartenders, drug suppliers, bad cops, bad judges, bad relatives, bad friends and just bad etc named by the LE in the case list that the Aruba said who were arrested in the killing of Natalee. 

I buy the house with the yard that is upwind from them , so that the Aruban prevailing≈wind is down wind that goes to their home. then I burn as I burned my leaves or trash just when I put in my secret weapon.

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that made me remember the secret weapon that I had about starting about 57 years ago. After  a few decades it then wasn't needed by me but lots of girls could still supply this secret weapon as long as life goes on.

I live in a gated mobile home complex. Used to say "Hey, did you smell the skunk last night"? because I had one 1 window open about 2 inches.

No one immediately around me smokes cigarettes  so it must be the skunk down from the large hills in the cemetery.

(trailer to coffin... it just narrows the space some)

 A few weeks ago, One night, the 911 and fire engines came in. We always dread those for it usually means someone we know has died. They were on the next lane, so I got to go over to see if it was one of my friends.

The smell of skunk is what we would call really "thick" now but we are more down wind from the cemetery. Mentioned the skunk is around. One said 'oh no that's  pot for over at that mobile home". Well IMO it smelled worse than skunk. Maybe too cheap or he mixed it with something. Almost smelled like meth.

Very strong. so the next day I complained to the manager (our mobile homes are sometimes less than 6 fee apart here) but this smoker lived about 100 feet away and I am downwind. The manager says he can't do anything about it for the young man has a medical OK for all the pot and gets alot.

Sure glad that Proposition didn't pass. There be that smell day and night! in parking lots, on streets, cars, clothes.

So I decided if the Proposition passed and I was going to be gassed by pot all around me, I would somehow go over to the Post, in the womens' restroom and get some of the secret weapon. Ha Ha it may not be what you think it is. but you have glue 1

OK Secret weapon== Kotex or whatever used these days

Wouldn't smoke them, just burn them like we did our trash in the Midwest. Smells like few degrees below how death smells.

Then my neighbor pot smokers, (more for it would be legal) and I would complain again. Then smoke my own choice (by burning it) they wouldn't like. So we'd have to stop both  MY choice, doesn't hurt me for I don't inhale or even touch my body to it.

Sure smells worse that pot. They'd stop.

That might be a practice run. Actually no practice run needed,
for I can tell you by having a big incinerator on our 1/'2 acre in Indiana with giant trees that have lots and lots of  leaves,  you could smell this Secret Weapon over many acres.

We could bombard Aruba with these weapons.... a Teddy Roosevelt team with Rough Riders  on the ground, on streets, down the AC vents of restaurants, hotels, airports, just hold them, thinking about smoking them while they are lit but don't "smoke" them.

Targets besides the ones listed above:

The new ones (forgot name) come in tubes of cardboard with a string. Put some blood from the food market in there, go, light in front of certain homes of those we all think are involved, plus the entrances, exits of court buildings and the ALE. PO an Airborne Division too.

A new thing to carry around like you were thinking about  smoking it....Nicely wrapped used burning kotexes. The others in cardboard on more ready for action though.  Am sure some on the who helped murder and cover up list. smoke cigs and smoke pot, so we can say we prefer the smell of this. Our smokes pass them in the streets or standing in line for carry out as they smoke.

You know, carrying it with grace, and style , a long  cig holder, with jewels, studs, shells, bones, a holder made from casino chips, a gavel that looks likes Paulus's, 3 Musketeers wrapped cig holder, and on, Anita's art work on some those long sexy cig holders like the actor, actresses in the movies plus a "f-u attitude-wiggle-walk-and -stance.

Maybe even give away samples to the Tourists as the newest fad on the Island. Take one home to remember you trip (those have "Where's Natalee?'printed on them)

Get lots of press about the next best thing to be imported to Aruba before going and when there go to the tourist Organization, OM, saying we are looking to store out in sea a place to house our big logistic ship (heh heh translated means secret places that open to explore for sites and traps and subs to send men in black on shore to explore at night)

Since our product will moving so fast to help your economy (and the North Koran weapons, money laundering, but don't say a word about that) we need huge logistics hubs on land. Workers undercover, wired at work and at play.

 Tourists will love this item as something  found only in Aruba.
They will love to take some home to play tricks on their friends (of course they have to play with them in Aruba too...see Aruba is smelling even more) The economy rises.

Of course we'd have sample packs and freebee to try on the spot.... bottom line is to made Aruba to smell the way she acts.

Secret weapon could be decorated to match clothes, party theme.

We will go away when you give us Natalee.  If you can't or won't do that then tell us who, what, why, where Then you will have you good smelling, happy island back ((cough cough))

I think this secret weapon of mine has not been in the Geneva Accords, not used at Git-mo so we have first shot at it.


PS   Don't to forget to pack Fabreeze our cloths so we smell nice.

We need really good marksmen.. to protect us if needed (but would be undercover). We need good marksmen with grenade training to just happen to be pretending to his the trash container on the street put "accidentally" gets it near on of the suspects... remember these smell so terrible they don't really need to be that close.

Some could be rigged in golf clubs, light, booff, gone to the next green where some who can't decided who the jaw belongs to,for there are so many cultures (races) down there

He could put his cell phone down someone could run up and tapethe Secret Weapon on it. Written on the cone of (can't remember what they are called.. they are inner Kotex) "Note to self... I smell for I didn't call the family first.

a tad of brandy and to sleep

Thinking outside the box of how to get back... not quite there yet.
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« Reply #866 on: November 25, 2010, 06:04:17 AM »

Good morning and Happy Thanksgiving.  My thoughts and prayers are with Natalee and Stephany's familys.  Aruba, what a tangled web you have woven.  There sure are alot of bones washing up in Aruba.  Whose jawbone is it?  Whose fish trap was it that was discovered?  Did it match the stolen one?  Where is Natalee's necklace?  I will never believe a word out of Aruba's mouth until I see a written report that shows the bones were really tested and what the tests said.  Bad Karma J2K and Aruba, that's all I wish for you!  Anita knows.  I hope the truth eats at her night and day.  What goes around comes around and I for one am sick of what they are doing to these familys.
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« Reply #867 on: November 25, 2010, 06:40:57 AM »

Was going to write something but attacked by the CRSS (Can't Remember Sxxt Syndrome)

O Many times Karma is discusses here. When I was in church (in and out church) was lead to believe that Karma didn't "go" with Christian teachings. Don't have the links, but I am a mostly, mostly 99% honest person.

Have noticed that the way some write here they have no problems using Christ, Christianity and Karma in the some sentence=thought. Some like me hesitate or at lease used to.

Then I found out somewhere that Karma was part of the teachings of the Christian Church teachings until about 500 AD or about the time lots of things were changed in the Church.

Ok.. mom was just a neat lady. So many times ahead of her times and her brain was way greater than mine. In our discussions where I was having a hard time with Karma that I believed in and Christianity and Essenses (Jewish) I believed in getting them to fit together.

Mom, a great public school teacher who finished law school in the 20's and went to Columbia while married to take classes with another of her co-teachers,, lady way before her time.. taught 4th/5th grade in the Inner SW part of Indianapolis, then school 72, 35 years.

One day she said to me _______ (for IBE is not my name, it is my  mother's nick name for Isabelle)  maybe it is this way... You know how you try to better your spelling tests and get those gold stars on the chart, well maybe God has us to do... practice many times before we get to be Perfect with HIm. 

So either way, I feel OK, God is loving although I sometimes don't understand, agree with his timing or project management but I don't (diddly darn) have the Master Chart.

If I go to Heaven right away... great! If I go to Heaven after many tries (am single and know who I'd like to marry next, sorry God) anyway I am OK at that as long as some day I get Perfect Along side God. I just don't want nothingness, or boredom Have enough on earth.

I am saying this for I get the felling when some of post here we talk of Karma, Christianity, eye for eye and between the lines we have been together lone enough to read between the lines on how each feel and have empathy with them.

Bottom line.. Rob you and others have said it so nicely. Someday I will meet Natalee and will love every minute of it. Might just take me longer. But I think our path is longer and more tries to get perfect.. our Karma here now is good and bad.. it may take me longer on the, so please wait for me.

But in a quicker vain... Klaas may we have a Christmas Party Thread. Haven't passed this by Anna but ice skating sounds good to start  at her home, as long as we are careful of her nails   Then we can hip hop over the world... I'd like to have after dinner drinks freaturing wasn't it Peaches Snopps?

Was thinking of party time rather that a busy tree... we could show what we are bringing and maybe between CBB and Brandy figure at the end how to have an online picture next to what we brought, like a  collage. Just thinking. Now a sip of brandy. I stop Love, Sharon

PS Klaas still working on work up of genealogy Thread. Got stuck on Google Earth looking for graves in VA from 1776 You can't believe how many creeks I have explored with the Internet in VA. Am  over my great to the 8th or whatever grandfather, came here in 1749.daughters grave yard with Google earth! near a creek in VA

tomorrow... over to the local American Legion Post for they have free Thanksgiving for the vets. It's free for all vets and not vets, those that are alone, but  I am giving a donation, tho not expected, and love to wash to pots and pans. some fun things are just free. I don't have a family. If I did, I probably think of all this being a big chore. It is nice to have a place to go when you don't have a family that is not just a dinner where you'd read a book (why did I ever do that [[heh heh}}

Happy Thanksgiving to all God Bless and I can't remember more than "over the river and through the woods  to grandmother's house we go. The horse knows the way to carry the sleigh and????" Help

Singing this is like an American tradition... like the Salvation Army kettles.

Taking care of our own is our American Tradition and Roots... bring Natalee home and Justice for Natallee and all those in need of justice, peace, food, health, goals, and you add your thoughts here for Thanksgiving......_-________________________________

Love, God Bless, IBE The one swig of brandy is taking it's warm toll... you can see I am not a good drinker but ....

PS I do have a Family of people/Souls call the Scared Monkeys.

Wow.. I swig of brand sure beats V8
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« Reply #868 on: November 25, 2010, 07:00:00 AM »

well the TheraFlu, honey, cinnamin, brandy..

Klaas, if ever, Heaven forbid, would come time to close this Thread would there be a way to have a keyed or passworded or private way I don't even know, to have us get together and I really mean... just for us! to finally get to know each other in "real life?" Just wondering. Off to the amazon link here. I forgot to buy some books for the adopted-by-love grandchildren. I do this link for scared monkeys help and the do some escrip.com for Vons, eBay, etc etc (Nordsrom is 7% to charities but, darn, I can't shop there but the 7%'s go to my charities). Companies ie merchants pay the charities while I buy and play! It's like doing Good Works and not ever leaving your place with family,  warmies, family, dog, cat and the clutter bug,
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« Reply #869 on: November 25, 2010, 08:00:34 AM »

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« Reply #870 on: November 25, 2010, 09:39:07 AM »

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Klaas, if ever, Heaven forbid, would come time to close this Thread would there be a way to have a keyed or passworded or private way I don't even know, to have us get together and I really mean... just for us! to finally get to know each other in "real life?" Just wondering.

Yes, I believe there is a way.  It would be tricky and of course nothing is ever totally safe but I could make it as safe as possible.   
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« Reply #871 on: November 25, 2010, 09:40:09 AM »

Blonde - Glenda/Julia Renfro, is a lying drunk IMO
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« Reply #872 on: November 25, 2010, 09:55:50 AM »



Happy Thanksgiving, Monkeys!

 
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« Reply #873 on: November 25, 2010, 10:01:39 AM »

Happy Thanksgiving Monkeys! 

DH is cooking breakfast and then the kitchen is all mine.   

Our feast will be for dinner rather than lunch, and probably while the Cowboys are playing. 

I hope everyone has a great day with family and friends! 
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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #874 on: November 25, 2010, 10:15:43 AM »

 

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« Reply #875 on: November 25, 2010, 10:25:03 AM »

Blonde - Glenda/Julia Renfro, is a lying drunk IMO

YUP!   
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« Reply #876 on: November 25, 2010, 10:28:22 AM »

HAPPY THANKSGIVING to all the wonderful monkeys!
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« Reply #877 on: November 25, 2010, 10:33:22 AM »

Blonde - Glenda/Julia Renfro, is a lying drunk IMO

YUP!   

As upset as I've been over the latest in Aruba, I'm so thankful I never had to listen to even one slurred, fake accented comment from that JOKE!

If anyone at all interviewed her, I was watching the right channel and missed it!   

The only mention of any of the networks even talking to her that I know of was to ask her where Benvinda was!   

Maybe they've finally figured her out too!  I hope so!
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"We won't give up on you, Natalee.  You didn't give up on us, and we will continue with the investigation until we have all of the answers to your disappearance.  God be with you my Natalee!" Dave Holloway ARUBA
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« Reply #878 on: November 25, 2010, 10:51:19 AM »

HAPPY THANKSGIVING ALL ...

HAPPY THANKSGIVING From Scared Monkeys 2010
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A special Happy Thanksgiving to all from Scared Monkeys.

On this day while you are spending time with family, friends, food, football and parades, please take a moment to pause and remember what you are thankful for. We wanted to take this moment to thank all who make Scared Monkeys possible. Thank you Klaasend, Blink, Dana. Justen.  A thank you to the forum moderators as well, CBB,  San, MuffyBee, Nut44x4, 2NJSons_Mom and Bearlyhere.

We brought back a special YOUTUBE video from the past ... "thank you for being a friend"

We saw just recently with news in the Natalee cases that many past friends of SM came back in hopes of news that might bring peace and comfort to the family. Sadly, that was not the case.

However, as I wrote in an email to Beth ... do not ever give up hope. I am thankful that I was able to meet an individual, all be it under not the best circumstances, an indivdual who is one of the strongest and most determined people ever.

We all thave many things to be thankful for ... on this day make sure you remember them.
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« Reply #879 on: November 25, 2010, 10:52:02 AM »

I'm not watching football but I'm sure my my hubby.   
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