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« Reply #320 on: December 07, 2010, 11:43:55 PM »

Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.
I'm thinkin' the Kalpoes (and/or whomever is bankrolling them) is just setting themselves up for more attorneys fees they will have to pay Dr. Phil. Just what in the hell will 60 days of "new discovery" bring after 5 years?????????

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It's just insane. The same judge (I presume) made a big point in September that the Plaintiffs had 'over-extended' the patience of the court --- I just don't get it.
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« Reply #321 on: December 07, 2010, 11:55:26 PM »

Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.
I'm thinkin' the Kalpoes (and/or whomever is bankrolling them) is just setting themselves up for more attorneys fees they will have to pay Dr. Phil. Just what in the hell will 60 days of "new discovery" bring after 5 years?????????

YUP  Monkey Devil!
It's just insane. The same judge (I presume) made a big point in September that the Plaintiffs had 'over-extended' the patience of the court --- I just don't get it.

Could be there are extenuating circumstances like the Judge wants to take vacation in February or something silly like that.  There could be any number of reasons.
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« Reply #322 on: December 08, 2010, 12:01:09 AM »

Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.
I'm thinkin' the Kalpoes (and/or whomever is bankrolling them) is just setting themselves up for more attorneys fees they will have to pay Dr. Phil. Just what in the hell will 60 days of "new discovery" bring after 5 years?????????

YUP  Monkey Devil!
It's just insane. The same judge (I presume) made a big point in September that the Plaintiffs had 'over-extended' the patience of the court --- I just don't get it.

Could be there are extenuating circumstances like the Judge wants to take vacation in February or something silly like that.  There could be any number of reasons.
Or, the judge takes a perverse pleasure in upping the sanctions against the plaintiffs. 
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« Reply #323 on: December 08, 2010, 12:10:56 AM »

I can't wait, Klaas!! You'll be our roving reporter!!   

I'm still finding it hard to believe that it will ever happen but if it does, I'll be there!   

 

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« Reply #324 on: December 08, 2010, 08:31:57 AM »

Wreck - I don't understand all that either and would like some clarification.
I'm thinkin' the Kalpoes (and/or whomever is bankrolling them) is just setting themselves up for more attorneys fees they will have to pay Dr. Phil. Just what in the hell will 60 days of "new discovery" bring after 5 years?????????

YUP  Monkey Devil!
It's just insane. The same judge (I presume) made a big point in September that the Plaintiffs had 'over-extended' the patience of the court --- I just don't get it.

Could be there are extenuating circumstances like the Judge wants to take vacation in February or something silly like that.  There could be any number of reasons.
Or, the judge takes a perverse pleasure in upping the sanctions against the plaintiffs. 

Maybe it's just a loophole the new attorneys pulled out and the court allowed as a courtesy.....don't know...just another guess.
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« Reply #325 on: December 08, 2010, 08:41:07 AM »

Today, december 8, the former judge Wedzinga published his continuing story [in Dutch] about the disappearing of Natalee Holloway.

see: www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl

For me this judge and and Tom Welles are trolls and body-snatchers.


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« Reply #326 on: December 08, 2010, 10:24:07 AM »

Today, december 8, the former judge Wedzinga published his continuing story [in Dutch] about the disappearing of Natalee Holloway.

see: www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl

For me this judge and and Tom Welles are trolls and body-snatchers.



Could you translate or give us a summary of the article?
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« Reply #327 on: December 08, 2010, 11:31:16 AM »

Through Google Translate....my apology...I am not as good at this as TM or other members.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/

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DecDe double murder at the Marriott Hotel
Author Wicher Wedzinga

On June 24, 2005 are Joran, Deepak and Satish - the three musketeers - in the backseat of a police car. Tempers are heated. They are aware of a time to their own devices. The call is tapped, like more calls from friends tapped. But in this case takes a bizarre turn the conversation. The relationship between the three emerges sharply and the content of the interview is revealing. Joran sometimes leaves his true face, which is a rarity.

The report of this sensational conversation as an introduction to my reconstruction of the "murder" of Natalee Holloway. This reconstruction is based on a detailed analysis of the file available to me. Its content is an important part in an earlier message. All information is filtered and weighed. In my analysis I try to sketch a coherent picture of events.

Deepak: How does it feel Joran?
Joran: (with raised voice) You let my father be arrested, friend.
Deepak: (very calm) That's what I say. How does it feel?
Joran: You know no good thats my father HAS nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit. (Then very calmly) You know what happened with That Girl. If you do not know it, then nothing happened. (Then angrily) So, you fxxx. What do you say, Freddy That HAS to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy HAS to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy HAS Told the Truth.
Satish: Will You see, you see compromise.
Deepak: You Could have prevented it from the beginning, this, or your father. You know it. That he was not arrested.
Joran: How? How? (Stretches "how" out) You declare shit against him. My father only wanted to help you, friend. Only to help you was what my father wanted. My father himself arranged your lawyers. And this is how you pay it back. (Now with an angry voice) I Should hit you both once [to give a blow].
Deepak: Then try it. You Can Make It Better at one time.
Joran: About what? You Can Also make it better.
Deepak: You just have to tell the truth. Tomorrow, I'll get my last 8 days and then I'm going home.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak: I'm going home.
Joran: Wait until I'm going to tell stuff about you two. Then we'll see if you two are going home.
Deepak: I guarantee you.
Joran: Do you think thats the police is interested in knowing That Satish touched a girl with the car?
[The word 'concern' is being used, translated here literally, but you-can use the word 'hit' Also in the context].
Satish: He heh one [?], Boy you let me laugh, just laugh.
Deepak: (to Joran) You know dang well, you always try to put bullshit between us.
Joran: (to Deepak) Then you're going to tell shit about the ChoHer [Choller]? I Have Helped you with That That Shit of the Choller friend.
Deepak: And, Also I said that.
Joran: That I have not read. Also I have read That statement.
Satish: That of the chollers was from me.
Deepak or Satish: That I have Already Told before. Also I have said thats in my first statement.
Satish: I said it in my own interest.
Joran: That's what the police tells me now. Police now says to me, like, if you two go against me, I'll go against you two.
Brothers: (laughing) Hehehehehehehe.
Satish: We do not put you into trouble. We just tell the truth.
Joran: That you two do not do. The half of what you two have said fxxxing isn't the truth. It will come forward. Just Like They check me, They check you two also.
Satish: With us, with us, They can-get evidence, but not with you. [A bit Unclear: It's: with us, with us. Can they get evidence, but with you nief] With lies, you do not get evidence,
Joran: All that shit of "Karen," all two of you do not know or no shit. Fxxx you two.
Deepak: You think thats the girl HAS nothing on, you see who compromise fxxxed who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]
Joran: We Will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've Given you a slap in the face. When They laugh I'll find the girl alive, fxxx you.
Joran: I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with That Girl. And if They find the girl, then Shall we see
Satish: I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?
Deepak: I want to find the girl themself. You are going to tell shit about me That I have buried the girl at Fisherman's Hut
Joran: Who has said about Burying? I did not say anything about Burying.
Deepak: That's what you have Stated. That stop with bullshit.
Joran: I have said nothing about Burying. The only thing I can think or what, Is That You Know People that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ... I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran: Who has said that?
Satish: You said that.
Joran: That I have never said friend. I have never said That you went back, friend.
Joran: That's your problem. They find if That Girl, They Will See That shit then.
Deepak: Eight more days and then I'm going home, I guarantee You That for a 1000 per cent.
Joran: We Will see.
Deepak: (to Joran) You do not give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
Joran: The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
Deepak: Your own father, unbelievable.
Joran: What My Father, it is your fault That he was arrested. I did not declare anything against my father, my father against you two Declared
Satish: We did not declare anything.
Joran: Or course, you did.
Satish: What did I tell against your father?
Joran: You are counting That he Declared, That if there is no body [body = dead body], there is no case or what I do. All shit. That is totally not true, That is the only thing he said was, if there is no body [body = body], then there isn'ta case.
Deepak: Yes, that's true.
Joran: That's not true.
Deepak: Also I said in my statement, That Meant it was not like that.
Joran: Did not read it in your statement. That They now use against my father.
Deepak: We suffered a lot Because of You.
Joran: That's the price That You let my father pay. That you let him poke like that. Fxxx you. If you let me drowsy, I say ok. It does not matter to me. I can just sit here for 160 days. It does make a difference to me fxxxing. I'm sitting good here.
Brothers: Me too. Me too.
Joran: And you Satish, they're counting me That You asshole, see ghosts in the [jail] cell. They told me That you saw the girl in your cell and That You were very scared.
Satish: Me seeing ghosts? Two Other Boys Were seeing ghosts. Also you believe the people who are here in jail. That HAS nothing to do with ghosts And That's just garbage shit what you say.
Joran: They talk good about me, but not good about you. And Also the two security guards, They have guaranteed me That They will kill you two, if you go out of jail.
Deepak: Oh, yes.
Joran: Who has Declared about the security guards, you no tme. Why? Because I do not want to put anyone in trouble Who has nothing to do with the case.
Deepak or Satish: (screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You Admitted that.
Deepak or Satish: (screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You two paid him off, right.
Brothers: ha ha ha ha ha ha
Joran: You said over the telephone then like, That I have the jackpot. You said now [?] Through the phone, I have the fxxxing jackpot. You forget thats the phone is tapped, right?
Satish or Deepak: Shut your trap [shut the f*** up]
Joran: You forget That, right +++++? Then you arrive home and you say how you arranged everything. You say "I have fixed it. Good for you [Meaning your own fault]. Because of You Also he is in jail.
Deepak: Yeaaaaaaaaahhh! Yeahhhhhhhhh!
Joran: (to brothers) Man, what can you do go? [Illegible, what is typed is: jucfc juflfe]
Deepak: (to Joran) What can you go do?
Joran: Make me, shut my mouth no
Brothers Fxxx you, we do not talk anymore with you.
Deepak: (to Joran) You talk Until you get tired.
Satish: (to Deepak) Do you have clothes?
Deepak: What am I going to do with Those? I'm leaving anyway in [illegible] days.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak: Shut your trap. Shut your trap, you bitch. Fxxx your father.
Joran: If my father doesnâ leave tomorrow, then you'll see. Boy, shut your mouth shut before I hit it.
Deepak: Do it then, you're Already in jail.
Joran: Does not matter to me. They can-just put me in the solitary fxxxing [cashot]. It does not matter to me.
Deepak: They're going to give you fifteen years if They find the girl.
Joran: For what? for what?
Deepak: That scholarship or yours. Byeeeeeeee. You Can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who? By you, +++++. You know well that you did bad, Otherwise You Would not Lie.
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran: I Should have killed you, +++++. Shut your trap.
Deepak: Will not be fun, if you are standing in front of the judge or instructions tomorrow. Why not? Too much evidence?
Joran: Then They Are Also allowed to hit me. Do you think thats it makes a difference to me. One Will Be weak enough.
Satish: You think, you think.
Joran: What do you think, That You are going home to get your gun?
Satish: That I have a gun.
Joran: Satish, you, get gun at home, me shoot you two dead.
Satish: Look, the police went to my house and Already Already Investigated [searched] the house. They did find a gun? What Will she get? ["What will they get." The word "they" is the word for 'she' or for 'They', but They use the singular verb for 'will', therefore'she ']
Deepak: (to Joran) Sometimes, you talk bullshit, right?
Joran: (to Deepak) Why That shit is not true? Witnesses saw you.
Satish: In the end we see Will, who gets out and who stays. You tell the truth, We Shall see.
Joran: I know That I'm getting out.
Brothers: We shall see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
   
 

 

Natalee Holloway had been at the time of death of Queen transformed into a pawn in chess game to bet that had to conceal the truth. A young American girl was killed in the immediate vicinity of the Marriott Hotel after excluding probability bordering on certainty was drugged and sexually abused by at least Joran. That did not happen on the beach and not at the Fisherman's Huts. The story that Joran as a mantra over and over again about opdist is geloochenstraft by the facts. There were on the night of the Soul Beach Festival many witnesses on the beach at the hotel and no one has seen Natalee and Joran. The only witness who explained in detail about it, later admitted the story to have sucked his thumb. And Steve Croes had his own reasons for his mother to deceive.

The story that he was with Natalee back and forth walked, with her had sex and her as "passed out" has left behind is thus considered unlikely to be chronicled, except that Natalee Holloway indeed "passed out", but first after she was sexually abused by a fleeing car was run over, was beaten and bleeding like a pig and trembling like an aspen leaf gave up the ghost. Call it murder, call it murder, call it manslaughter. Me, in this case do not care. Legally, it is between these alternatives, although a world of difference, but morally blurred the boundaries, especially in this case. The death of Natalee Holloway is very much like a chronicle of a death foretold. A chronicle in the course begins Sunday May 29, 2005, but the germs may have already been laid much earlier. Read more »

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NovDe boomerang Wilders
Author Wicher Wedzinga

As the number of party members with a criminal record grows, Wilders turns increasingly into a leader. A leader of a criminal organization, that is. Such a leader must of course themselves also have some on his tally. Otherwise she does not count. But at that point, Wilders is not affected. He has to February 7, 2011 Amsterdam appear in court again and again Moszkowicz and defended by the Public Prosecutor. A court in all respects that he has treated too kindly.

 

This prosecution may well be, as the Solicitor General recently argued, the prosecution decision of the Court have observed, but this is obviously a travesty. That the prosecution had to do. Legally there was no escape. What matters is that the prosecution same prosecutors on the case put, which had previously decided to dismiss the criminal case. These will be located at the far-reaching decision of the Court have properly and everything was annoyed to find that they did not feel. An independent and impartial prosecution in a nutshell!

 

Of course the officers had other business at the session to deal with. That happens quite often after a prosecution decision and the argument that they are specialist judges in discrimination cases, is utter nonsense. So complicated is the case not be sensitive, but that is something else. It illustrates only the disdain of the Public Prosecutor for the decision of the Court. An attitude that undoubtedly supreme chief Brewers and his College of Procurators-General was dictated.

 

Meanwhile, as requested by Attorney General Abel and at the request of a dear friend Mr. Moore made election pamphlet, convincingly demonstrated the court on improper grounds challenged. The first victory of Moszkowicz, after a series of embarrassing legal defeats in this trial. Moszkowicz as a lawyer not a real high flyer, but admitted that he should be using his many friends in the media, the advertising business in good order. Too bad that his absurd request to challenge at the last minute by incompetent colleagues of Mr. Moore was honored. He had the acquittal for his client already own pocket and will probably also have baled. Moore and his colleagues had the request for the witness heard Jones based on current law can easily dismiss. But Moore apparently does not sit well with his expertise. Read more »

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NovIntermezzo Holloway: An intermediate
Author Wicher Wedzinga

 

 

Before the series of reports about the Holloway case "is closed with a piece about the corruption and conflicts of interest that a role played in the derailment of the investigation, I will soon be the final step of reconstruction of the events the night of Sunday, May 29 2005 on Monday, May 30, 2005 published a piece titled: "The double murder at the Marriott Hotel.

I am very conscious of the fact that the series of messages is hard to follow, especially for those not in the file are consecrated. I also have warned from the outset that the case file thoroughly. From several friends told me that it has become too detailed and that the main line is lost. Such criticism is justified, but taken into account. I therefore no concessions.

I refuse to surrender to the superficiality that journalists like Peter R. de Vries own, and not contributing to the solution but only victims. In this case, but in the past. The ratings are good and the money goes in, but it's cheap and easy, and who pays it to all those who have to lean? Also, I refuse to take sides, as numerous web site visitors do. They are for or against Joran, for or against Natalee and see everything through a narrower perspective glasses. Me it is about truth.

In the series of messages has so far attempted to make clear that Joran is certainly not unique in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is involved. A thorough reconstruction shows that Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe to a lesser extent, but also Guido Wever and Steve Croes the main characters to be counted. A missed opportunity to say the least, the spotlight is not on this person. Joran was an easy prey, but a prey that is difficult or did not catch. Now it is important to the investigation to focus on others.

In the fatal night of Sunday, May 29, 2005 on Monday, May 30, 2005 to play the key events is set between about 02.30 and 03.00 hours. Why detail is so important. The poker eight sheds light on those who Joran hand over your head and possibly the night there even have been active. Realize that efforts were made in that turbulent night Natalee's body and the traces of the crime to erase. Guido Wever no coincidence disappears without a trace a few hours. Deepak does not happen until Tuesday morning at 01.00 hours and in case his car is already about midnight to the home of the family Van der Sloot parked. Not coincidentally, Satish absent and Andre Santos is only a minor role assigned. Both have little or nothing to do with the death and disappearance of Natalee Holloway.

The father of Joran van der Sloot contrast, charges the suspected themselves to be closely involved. And that's putting it mildly. But I will and must choose my words carefully. That is something that few realize. The call for an accusing finger is easily done, but any sane person knows that there is more to it. Also, it is my primary goal was and is to the incompetence, conflict of interest and possible corruption by the government to prove.

I have many many new facts revealed and published. This is often done for reasons mentioned earlier muffled and the truth is often read between the lines. The many information "purify" and the relationship between events show this to my knowledge the first time that a complex but coherent image is created from the events surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. It is hopefully the prelude to a book that will appear in English. No money to earn, to be clear!

This afternoon is really clear whether the jaw of Natalee Holloway. If so, further investigation may be more evidence. In my contribution I have tried the direction for further research to determine. I am afraid that this re-examination by the police and judiciary on Aruba in hand is taken. Because they have failed miserably in recent years and are respected by the media.

In the message I hope the silk to make a loom. Will be clear what happened to Natalee.

Copyright @ wedzinga2010

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NovDe innocence of Joran van der Sloot (continued)
Author Wicher Wedzinga

Preliminary: For a good overview, it is desirable to read the above article first before reading this revealing piece. Revealing because for the first time a consistent and coherent image is created from those in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are involved. Fragmented information on the Internet using the file on credibility and reliability and truthfulness therefore tested. This information is much more refined.

(....)

Whether it is true, I do not know. Information on the internet is too vague. Information from criminal and civil case provides sufficient guidance on to say that Natalee Holloway probably between 02.30 hours and 03.00 hours of life has left. At about 01.50 hours Joran and Natalee by Deepak and Satish in a quiet, unpaved road from the Marriott Hotel off. "A street with no name". Deepak and Satish were then driven home. Deepak logs at 02.00 hours on his computer. While he was chatting with his American vroend John Charles Croes comes an alarming call from Joran inside. It is 26.2 hours.

Joran should have been panicking. Deepak says Joran Natalee that he "passed out" on the beach left behind. I doubt the latter. Nobody Joran and Natalee on the beach saw the three fishermen who pretty much spent the whole night. Ed Kissel, to American classmate of Natalee, thought at first that he had seen her on the beach, but later proved to be mistaken. The phone itself comes not from the beach, but about 800 meters inland. The call takes about 8 minutes, but Deepak says there was interference on the line and suggests that the conversation took less time. Joran was walking on their way home. Without shoes, at least without a shoe. To 02.46 hours from the computer of Deepak a message sent to the mobile phone to Joran. The text is cryptic: "Wait till you get home. Miscalling me ". When asked during one of Joran claims his interrogations Deepak did not know what this means.

Could be. A persistent rumor that Deepak wants the clock on his computer has been compromised. The FBI has confirmed. Because he is good with a computer can use it, would in principle be possible. The text betrays a call from Joran to Deepak expected. That would mean that Deepak would assume that at the moment Joran his feet over the threshold set at home, but not at the computer. Joran would then have stompelend, huffing and puffing his home run. The file seems to indicate that he probably just after 03.00 hours and 03.30 hours short for home. Deepak or Satish sitting behind the computer and a short and turbulent exchange of messages follows. Joran walked home that is found in more or less support in a statement by a witness. Who first sees a sweaty and stumbling walk and later that same Joran Joran in the company of Paul van der Sloot in a jeep.

It is about 04.00. And that is true. Because the file seems to follow that Joran to 03.56 hours at his computer and that from that time two porn movies for download. And for that you do not have to sit at the computer. It seems likely that the father of Joran around quarter to three on alert condition. Because at 02.34 hours shifts the younger brother of Joran on the computer. That is precisely the time when the crucial conversation between Joran and Deepak place or has just ended. It seems reasonable to assume that around that time in the Van der Sloot the alarm went off. Police also noticeable that the teenager in the middle of the night and active during the interrogation is thus repeatedly asked if he can drive a car. Reportedly, the mother of Joran stated that the phone one year later, near the Lighthouse Califormia found of him and not by Paul van der Sloot. Anyway, the idea has apparently been that the troops came into action. Read more »

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NovAankondiging Holloway
Author Wicher Wedzinga

The following message about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will appear on Friday, November 19.

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« Reply #328 on: December 08, 2010, 11:31:51 AM »

Today, december 8, the former judge Wedzinga published his continuing story [in Dutch] about the disappearing of Natalee Holloway.

see: www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl

For me this judge and and Tom Welles are trolls and body-snatchers.



Could you translate or give us a summary of the article?


Nothing new.....guess we'll have to wait for the book  :


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On June 24, 2005 are Joran, Deepak and Satish - the three musketeers - in the backseat of a police car. Tempers are heated. They are aware of a time to their own devices. The call is tapped, like more calls from friends tapped. But in this case takes a bizarre turn the conversation. The relationship between the three emerges sharply and the content of the interview is revealing. Joran sometimes leaves his true face, which is a rarity.

The report of this sensational conversation as an introduction to my reconstruction of the "murder" of Natalee Holloway. This reconstruction is based on a detailed analysis of the file available to me. Its content is an important part in an earlier message. All information is filtered and weighed. In my analysis I try to sketch a coherent picture of events.
Deepak: How does it feel Joran?
Joran: (with raised voice) You let my father be arrested, friend.
Deepak: (very calm) That's what I say. How does it feel?
Joran: You know no good thats my father HAS nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit. (Then very calmly) You know what happened with That Girl. If you do not know it, then nothing happened. (Then angrily) So, you fxxx. What do you say, Freddy That HAS to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy HAS to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy HAS Told the Truth.
Satish: Will You see, you see compromise.
Deepak: You Could have prevented it from the beginning, this, or your father. You know it. That he was not arrested.
Joran: How? How? (Stretches "how" out) You declare shit against him. My father only wanted to help you, friend. Only to help you was what my father wanted. My father himself arranged your lawyers. And this is how you pay it back. (Now with an angry voice) I Should hit you both once [to give a blow].
Deepak: Then try it. You Can Make It Better at one time.
Joran: About what? You Can Also make it better.
Deepak: You just have to tell the truth. Tomorrow, I'll get my last 8 days and then I'm going home.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak: I'm going home.
Joran: Wait until I'm going to tell stuff about you two. Then we'll see if you two are going home.
Deepak: I guarantee you.
Joran: Do you think thats the police is interested in knowing That Satish touched a girl with the car?
[The word 'concern' is being used, translated here literally, but you-can use the word 'hit' Also in the context].
Satish: He heh one [?], Boy you let me laugh, just laugh.
Deepak: (to Joran) You know dang well, you always try to put bullshit between us.
Joran: (to Deepak) Then you're going to tell shit about the ChoHer [Choller]? I Have Helped you with That That Shit of the Choller friend.
Deepak: And, Also I said that.
Joran: That I have not read. Also I have read That statement.
Satish: That of the chollers was from me.
Deepak or Satish: That I have Already Told before. Also I have said thats in my first statement.
Satish: I said it in my own interest.
Joran: That's what the police tells me now. Police now says to me, like, if you two go against me, I'll go against you two.
Brothers: (laughing) Hehehehehehehe.
Satish: We do not put you into trouble. We just tell the truth.
Joran: That you two do not do. The half of what you two have said fxxxing isn't the truth. It will come forward. Just Like They check me, They check you two also.
Satish: With us, with us, They can-get evidence, but not with you. [A bit Unclear: It's: with us, with us. Can they get evidence, but with you nief] With lies, you do not get evidence,
Joran: All that shit of "Karen," all two of you do not know or no shit. Fxxx you two.
Deepak: You think thats the girl HAS nothing on, you see who compromise fxxxed who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]
Joran: We Will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've Given you a slap in the face. When They laugh I'll find the girl alive, fxxx you.
Joran: I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with That Girl. And if They find the girl, then Shall we see
Satish: I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?
Deepak: I want to find the girl themself. You are going to tell shit about me That I have buried the girl at Fisherman's Hut
Joran: Who has said about Burying? I did not say anything about Burying.
Deepak: That's what you have Stated. That stop with bullshit.
Joran: I have said nothing about Burying. The only thing I can think or what, Is That You Know People that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ... I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran: Who has said that?
Satish: You said that.
Joran: That I have never said friend. I have never said That you went back, friend.
Joran: That's your problem. They find if That Girl, They Will See That shit then.
Deepak: Eight more days and then I'm going home, I guarantee You That for a 1000 per cent.
Joran: We Will see.
Deepak: (to Joran) You do not give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
Joran: The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
Deepak: Your own father, unbelievable.
Joran: What My Father, it is your fault That he was arrested. I did not declare anything against my father, my father against you two Declared
Satish: We did not declare anything.
Joran: Or course, you did.
Satish: What did I tell against your father?
Joran: You are counting That he Declared, That if there is no body [body = dead body], there is no case or what I do. All shit. That is totally not true, That is the only thing he said was, if there is no body [body = body], then there isn'ta case.
Deepak: Yes, that's true.
Joran: That's not true.
Deepak: Also I said in my statement, That Meant it was not like that.
Joran: Did not read it in your statement. That They now use against my father.
Deepak: We suffered a lot Because of You.
Joran: That's the price That You let my father pay. That you let him poke like that. Fxxx you. If you let me drowsy, I say ok. It does not matter to me. I can just sit here for 160 days. It does make a difference to me fxxxing. I'm sitting good here.
Brothers: Me too. Me too.
Joran: And you Satish, they're counting me That You asshole, see ghosts in the [jail] cell. They told me That you saw the girl in your cell and That You were very scared.
Satish: Me seeing ghosts? Two Other Boys Were seeing ghosts. Also you believe the people who are here in jail. That HAS nothing to do with ghosts And That's just garbage shit what you say.
Joran: They talk good about me, but not good about you. And Also the two security guards, They have guaranteed me That They will kill you two, if you go out of jail.
Deepak: Oh, yes.
Joran: Who has Declared about the security guards, you no tme. Why? Because I do not want to put anyone in trouble Who has nothing to do with the case.
Deepak or Satish: (screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You Admitted that.
Deepak or Satish: (screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You two paid him off, right.
Brothers: ha ha ha ha ha ha
Joran: You said over the telephone then like, That I have the jackpot. You said now [?] Through the phone, I have the fxxxing jackpot. You forget thats the phone is tapped, right?
Satish or Deepak: Shut your trap [shut the f*** up]
Joran: You forget That, right +++++? Then you arrive home and you say how you arranged everything. You say "I have fixed it. Good for you [Meaning your own fault]. Because of You Also he is in jail.
Deepak: Yeaaaaaaaaahhh! Yeahhhhhhhhh!
Joran: (to brothers) Man, what can you do go? [Illegible, what is typed is: jucfc juflfe]
Deepak: (to Joran) What can you go do?
Joran: Make me, shut my mouth no
Brothers Fxxx you, we do not talk anymore with you.
Deepak: (to Joran) You talk Until you get tired.
Satish: (to Deepak) Do you have clothes?
Deepak: What am I going to do with Those? I'm leaving anyway in [illegible] days.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak: Shut your trap. Shut your trap, you bitch. Fxxx your father.
Joran: If my father doesnâ leave tomorrow, then you'll see. Boy, shut your mouth shut before I hit it.
Deepak: Do it then, you're Already in jail.
Joran: Does not matter to me. They can-just put me in the solitary fxxxing [cashot]. It does not matter to me.
Deepak: They're going to give you fifteen years if They find the girl.
Joran: For what? for what?
Deepak: That scholarship or yours. Byeeeeeeee. You Can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who? By you, +++++. You know well that you did bad, Otherwise You Would not Lie.
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran: I Should have killed you, +++++. Shut your trap.
Deepak: Will not be fun, if you are standing in front of the judge or instructions tomorrow. Why not? Too much evidence?
Joran: Then They Are Also allowed to hit me. Do you think thats it makes a difference to me. One Will Be weak enough.
Satish: You think, you think.
Joran: What do you think, That You are going home to get your gun?
Satish: That I have a gun.
Joran: Satish, you, get gun at home, me shoot you two dead.
Satish: Look, the police went to my house and Already Already Investigated [searched] the house. They did find a gun? What Will she get? ["What will they get." The word "they" is the word for 'she' or for 'They', but They use the singular verb for 'will', therefore'she ']
Deepak: (to Joran) Sometimes, you talk bullshit, right?
Joran: (to Deepak) Why That shit is not true? Witnesses saw you.
Satish: In the end we see Will, who gets out and who stays. You tell the truth, We Shall see.
Joran: I know That I'm getting out.
Brothers: We shall see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.


Natalee Holloway had been at the time of death of Queen transformed into a pawn in chess game to bet that had to conceal the truth. A young American girl was killed in the immediate vicinity of the Marriott Hotel after excluding probability bordering on certainty was drugged and sexually abused by at least Joran. That did not happen on the beach and not at the Fisherman's Huts. The story that Joran as a mantra over and over again about opdist is geloochenstraft by the facts. There were on the night of the Soul Beach Festival many witnesses on the beach at the hotel and no one has seen Natalee and Joran. The only witness who explained in detail about it, later admitted the story to have sucked his thumb. And Steve Croes had his own reasons for his mother to deceive.

The story that he was with Natalee back and forth walked, with her had sex and her as "passed out" has left behind is thus considered unlikely to be chronicled, except that Natalee Holloway indeed "passed out", but first after she was sexually abused by a fleeing car was run over, was beaten and bleeding like a pig and trembling like an aspen leaf gave up the ghost. Call it murder, call it murder, call it manslaughter. Me, in this case do not care. Legally, it is between these alternatives, although a world of difference, but morally blurred the boundaries, especially in this case. The death of Natalee Holloway is very much like a chronicle of a death foretold. A chronicle in the course begins Sunday May 29, 2005, but the germs may have already been laid much earlier.

For days before her death wandered around Joran Natalee and her friends around. American girls "en masse" for one week or ports of Aruba form a welcome target for Joran and his friends. That sounds like a reproach, but it is not intended. It is a game that is played from both sides. But in this case the game goes out of control, as is already the case with Karen. On Sunday May 29 at the Excelsior Casino is a poker player. Joran is out there early and play Black Jack from about 20.00 hours to 22.00 hours. During that time he joined Ruth McVay and some of her friends. Natalee Holloway is one of them. The girls know that it's their last night in Aruba and that they would find it fun when Joran later that evening at Carlos & Charlies is. Joran seems a bit cautious, but to bites. After he left the hotel casino, he goes home. Around 22.30 hours he sits behind the computer.

What happened in the time between about 22.30 hours and 00.30 hours is unclear and lends itself to further investigation, if only because no sensible thinking person believes that Joran, Deepak and Satish in a bar shortly before closing time hoping arrive in about a half an hour or more American girls to decorate and participate thrones. That research would presumably show that in that hour a kind of campaign plan was made for "date rape" in staging and maybe even shooting. A plan for a girl or more girls in the legal sense of the word rape and murder has been clearly prevail. Steve Croes and Freddy Zedan are hereby expressly appear. Croes was on duty on the Tattoo Party Boat, who is mentioned as a possible location. Why risked Croes, saying, his job in order to abandon ship and go to Carlos & Charlies? And when he put his job on the line, why he threw himself on a witness to the false alibi for Joran, Deepak and Satish to confirm? Was he the one with Deepak between 02.30 hours and 03.00 hours near the Marriott Hotel was spotted? Was he the one in the backseat of the Honda of Deepak Sat, Ramos was a gardener look at that car and threw? He was the third man along with Deepak and Satish night around 03.00 hours by car from Deepak was cleaning? Whether it was Freddy Zedan, who are more often used for camera - euphemistically said - erotic shots and, as such from the above tapgesprek show would have known what happened that evening and night had taken place? Freddy was with Joran that night, witnesses say., Including Melody, a former friend of Joran. The bosom friend of Joran gave himself a new pair of shoes. A generous gesture, but not without self-interest. Joran could not play tennis the next day. Not because he was limping and had walked home barefoot, but because the one who kicks up injuries.

According to witness statements can be inferred that Freddy Zedan was located on the back seat of Deepak's car was at the time gardener Ramos stationary car was in sight. That was after the alarming call from Joran to Deepak at 02.26 hours. Deepak shot to give help and was about 03.00 hours back home to his car to get rid of spores. He, Satish and Freddy Zedan subjected the car to the thorough and systematic cleaning. They did not know they were beaten by watching the neighbor of Deepak and Satish. Deepak and Freddy went from 04.00 hours to return to the Marriott and found there Joran and his father. There was little time and everyone was panicking. Natalee Holloway's body was hidden as soon as possible. Satish was at home at the computer and later declaimed on the phone to a friend Suriname. Natalee was in haste to the house of the family Van der Sloot transported. She has located there one day. No wonder the house and garden of the family could not be searched. No wonder the National Police Agency long after frantic efforts has been in the garden to find evidence. It was too late.

The pimps know to do and are caught, all before Natalee's last sigh. They are doomed to each other and keep each day to hand over the head. They have to! The evidence of a rape drug are not clear. Even in the root canal of a skeletal remains can still be found. Joran, Deepak and Satish have Natalee Holloway picked up at Carlos & Charlies, the sexual abuse has left its mark, there are witnesses - like Carlos Ramos, the gardener - that night in any case, Joran and Deepak have seen and there's more! Joran his future is at stake. And not only the future of Joran. Greater or lesser extent, the future of everyone involved at risk. That they have hitherto escaped the dance is not insignificantly due to the "lax" attitude of police, judiciary and some judges. Instead of the three musketeers Joran, Deepak and Satish immediately after their arrest false and contradictory testimony on May 31, 2005, was chosen for two innocent guards to put behind bars. The pimps got until June 9, 2005 free game and could use the fact that they were bugged and that their movements were monitored. That the case has not yet been resolved due to the incompetence, conflict of interest and probably corruption on the part of police, justice, and one or more judges and the unilateral vision of the mainstream media that primarily or exclusively have focused on Joran van Sloop.

Natalee Holloway was temporarily out of sight, but her whereabouts were temporary. Before the investigation was coming at full speed, had the body of the 18-year-old girl finally disappear from the earth. At the same time, it was obviously important to sand in the eyes of police and justice spreading. Paul Joran and his father a lie, therefore, that the earth has. Joran imagines up a storm by declaring that it was only later that evening with U.S. girls at the Black Jack table has been that his father at 23.00 hours has picked up at McDonalds and that Natalee neatly at her hotel, the Holiday Inn , was deposed, and he and Natalee confuse passing Ruth McVay. And Deepak and Satish are only too happy with him, late Satish some stabbing attack. The story about the trip to the California Lighthouse and the drop off at the Holiday Inn since it was hatched by Joran and Deepak, who later received support from Steve Croes. The father of Joran, who from the outset in the plot, must make a verbal splits. He denies Joran at 04.00 hours at McDonalds to have met and know are not many details to remember. Whether, when and where his son on Monday, May 30 on the bus to school and when he stepped Joran on Monday, May 30 at the tennis club has brought. And those two contacts with Natalee Holloway is not true.

In the afternoon and evening of Monday, May 30, 2005 and in the early morning of Tuesday, May 31 is work hard for the body of Natalee Holloway from the obstacles. Hence the reconstruction of the events that took place in that time frame should be as detailed. Joran has a foot injury and may not follow tennis, although he and his father in their statements to the police to turn around. Paul Joran turn off the racquet, but shortly thereafter goes back to the tennis to pick Joran and a helping hand. What? The detailed reconstruction suggests that Joran later in the evening and the night will be assisted by at least Guido Wever and Deepak Kalpoe. Natalee Holloway that night was buried at the California Lighthouse. There is therefore the signal from the mobile phone picked up Joran. Perhaps the intention been to Natalee in a boat and shipped her body at the bottom of the ocean to anchor. A risky operation, but the speedboat Gottenbos of the family was there ready to speak. Anyway, where was not done. If the plan already has been there at an early stage from view. Late in the afternoon or early evening. was decided that the body of Natalee Holloway had to be relocated. They got wind of that from an American plane with the family of Natalee was on?

The above scenario is supported by technical data and witness statements. The resulting evidence confirms that the center of the actvititeiten that night in close proximity to the California Lighthouse, at Malmok and the Holiday Inn, where the boat from the father of Koen and Sander Gottenbos anchor and the house of the family Van der Sloot. Around midnight, the car of Deepak in the family home of Joran. There is feverishly discussed between Joran, Deepak, Guido Wever, Paul van der Sloot. André Santos's statements are reliable and meaningful. The Holloway family is coming and haste is needed. Joran, Deepak and Guido head back up towards casinos and bewildered Andre Santos sees his friends resurface. Joran gets a lift from Guido Wever and at 01.00 hours at the Radisson Deepak also shows his face. But not for long. Deepak tells an excuse that he wants the Wyndham Casino and departs from the Radisson with Joran in his wake. As the father of Joran call to the arrival of Natalee's family to announce, are the ways of Deepak and Joran already separated. Despite his statement, Joran is not currently in the car of Deepak. Time must be won. Paul leads the angry Americans to the garden to the Wyndham Casino to drive while he did not know that Joran and Deepak and Joran drive to the house of the family Van der Sloot, Joran because his father claims to have understood that home waiting for him. A curious misunderstanding.

Natalee Holloway is currently buried near the Lighthouse. That can not long remain so. The risk of discovery is too great. Is chosen as a simple and effective solution. The man who dig in the garden of the Holloway family has been performed to this day still amazed. The assignment was you he could deposit the cement? But Paul had his reasons for that job to be done by someone else. A good friend, so to speak. Everything suggests that Natalee Holloway is indeed at the bottom of the sea. Still. Not alone, but with a macabre souvenir of Joran. Evidence that Joran Natalee's death and links in which Deepak tapgesprek delicately refers. In the forthcoming book will be posting more details on this and other matters and people are revealed, but this I must first verify some clues.

Natalee Holloway in the early morning of Monday, May 30, 2005 killed. If we can call it murder is that night half murder. The victim is Joran van der Sloot. If he is being hunted down by the superficial money-grubbers of the media on the slaughtering block laid. And finally succumbed. Years later, in Peru.

Copyright @ Wedzinga2010

In the part about the cover-up that follows, will include consider the role of Guido Wever, the son of a former Aruban minister by his then-lawyer Spong his flight to the Netherlands before the disappearance of Natalee, would have made but those are not their friends had informed.

http://www.raadsheer-wedzinga.nl/wordpress/2010/12/08/de-dubbele-moord-bij-het-marriott-hotel/#more-1602


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« Reply #329 on: December 08, 2010, 11:52:54 AM »

Buckeye,

Thank you.  It looks like I lost some of it when I put it through the translator.
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« Reply #330 on: December 08, 2010, 12:10:07 PM »

This writer keeps talking about a double murder that night. Who is the other victim in this?  Does anyone know who he is referring to?  There is talk about a "Karen" in the police transcripts.  Does anyone know who Karen is?  This writer also talks about Natalee being at the bottom of the sea with something that belongs to Joran. Is it the shoe??

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« Reply #331 on: December 08, 2010, 01:06:54 PM »

Antunym,
Maybe "prosecutor" karen jassen.

Didn't jeffery cromvoit have a sister named karen in the "police" force?
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« Reply #332 on: December 08, 2010, 01:16:54 PM »

Antunym,
Maybe "prosecutor" karen jassen.

Didn't jeffery cromvoit have a sister named karen in the "police" force?

Joran also had a girlfriend named Karen, iirc.  Karin Jansen, the prosecutor, was my first thought.
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« Reply #333 on: December 08, 2010, 02:09:44 PM »

Out of curiousity, why would the police secretly tape record the 3 amigoes in the back of a police car if the police intended to cover the crime up?
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ARUBA: It's all about Natalee...we won't give up!


« Reply #334 on: December 08, 2010, 02:39:08 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82027.php

Google translation:

ARUBA

Wikileaks also affects Aruba

December 8, 2010, 13:00 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - The world is in the grip of Cable Gate. Over 250,000 weeks messages from U.S. embassies are on the streets thanks to Wikileaks, and now it is clear that the leak does not stop it. The wait is 300 weeks on the news that Aruba is stated.

by our reporter
Ariën Rasmijn

One of the main features of the Internet is that it is very difficult for information to remove once when it was published and was taken over by several people. In this case, Wikileaks in just a few days into a global network of over 1000 zogheten mirror sites and products, saying, more than 100,000 people in possession of an encrypted secure copy of all documents. Attacks by hackers, the removal of donation opportunities and services to Wikileaks, sometimes under pressure from U.S. politicians, even the arrest yesterday of founder Julian Assange after search warrants from Interpol (on two counts of possible sexual assault or rape in Sweden) have activities of Wikileaks does not stopped. The genie is out of the bottle and there is no putting it back.

For many it is known how Cable Gate has been created. Namely, that information analyst Bradley Manning (1922) to his post in Iraq week messages were shown around the world has to do with the fact that since the attacks of September 11 all week messages, memos and other correspondence between U.S. embassies and public unfiltered approximate shared. To be sure everyone gets to look into each other correspondence as in any event not to miss the boat when an embassy in La Paz message does have Arabic-looking men taking flying lessons. The result is that Manning fairly simple cables 250,000 on a CD is to burn, these are reported to Wikileaks by playing. He has now gone into Kuwait on suspicion of distributing confidential information. A sentence of 50 years hanging over his head.

Venezuela
Or one can speak of a world before and after Wikileaks remains to be seen. It looks at any rate not appear that the publication of the more than 250,000 pieces will be stopped. Not the cable 300 messages according to the site were going to Aruba. Information on the number of messages per country and tag (tag) each country has been previously been supplied by Tableau Software Wikileaks. When this, like Paypal, MasterCard, Visa and a number of operators, suddenly refused to provide its service to Wikileaks was this rather important part of the site away from the air. Before, however, fell to read that Aruba (tag AA), almost 300 weekly returns of American diplomats was called. About the same as Malta, a sovereign country that is a lot bigger and just as centrally located in the Mediterranean, as in our region. The embassies of the news came and what topics were discussed, it is still unknown. However, it is immediately obvious to the Holloway issue to think, but also to FOL (U.S. defense unit in Aruba). Venezuela is located around the corner. And so you can basically keep on speculating. But for Venezuela to remain the U.S. dollar embargo, but also the impending gas line may have already been discussed. According to an employee of Department of External Relations, Aruba has the most contact with the embassy in Caracas, the consulate in Curacao and of course directly with Washington, our Minister Plenipotentiary there. In the previously published reports cable from the embassy in Caracas is not yet listed on Aruba.

VNO-gate
Who knows, one in Caracas and Washington also an unvarnished opinions on the current and previous governments of Aruba. Or about Valero, Ritz-Carlton and our relationship with the Netherlands. That diplomats to express their views, assumptions and findings be recorded in weekly returns, we could starting last year firsthand when one weeks notice of the

Representation of the Netherlands (VNO) addressed to the Dutch government through an email error on the street came to be. Ministers of the previous government of Aruba, leaders of the MEP and the Attorney General were in the mail from the Deputy Representative of Aruba, Myriam Jacobs, described as "oil men" and "calculating politicians on a collision course with the Netherlands thrilling. Then Minister Rudy Croes (MEP) and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) called the damage "irreversible" and even accused of spying Netherlands. It eventually ran off with a fizzle, and now the current Aruban government wants closer ties with the Netherlands just make no one there anymore.

But there is something to learn. The incident is in any case the importance of confidentiality and common sense become clear. To sending and receiving messages, agreements and week rules. VNO-Menno Bart spokesman said: "But those are contingent on assessment of sensitivity by individuals. That remains the weak spot. "
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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« Reply #335 on: December 08, 2010, 03:09:44 PM »

THE KALPOES' INVOLVEMENT

How is the Girl Doing?

Was there no follow up question from interrogators regarding Satish's words regarding Natalee?

Janet

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Satish Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

My mother was then going to wake me up at 10.30 a.m. She though overslept and did not wake me up. I woke up around 12.00 noon. My brother woke up around 1 p.m. I asked him how Joran did get home during the night. He told me Joran had called him while walking in the direction to his home. He told me Joran told him he walked bare feet because he left the shoes at the beach.  Then I asked my brother how the girl was doing.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=382.0
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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« Reply #336 on: December 08, 2010, 03:24:45 PM »

Antunym,
Maybe "prosecutor" karen jassen.

Didn't jeffery cromvoit have a sister named karen in the "police" force?

Joran also had a girlfriend named Karen, iirc.  Karin Jansen, the prosecutor, was my first thought.



Was this girlfriend of his ever reported missing?  I was thinking karin Jansen also which puts her in the mess in the beginning.  I wonder who the other murder victim mentioned by this guy was? Or what he is referring to when he says that.
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« Reply #337 on: December 08, 2010, 03:32:02 PM »

Out of curiousity, why would the police secretly tape record the 3 amigoes in the back of a police car if the police intended to cover the crime up?

I think it was talked about at one time that maybe Joran was speaking with the knowledge of being taped.  His father Paulus was involved in the government there and knew people within that he could have told Joran of this.
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« Reply #338 on: December 08, 2010, 03:34:51 PM »

Antunym,
Maybe "prosecutor" karen jassen.

Didn't jeffery cromvoit have a sister named karen in the "police" force?

Joran also had a girlfriend named Karen, iirc.  Karin Jansen, the prosecutor, was my first thought.



Was this girlfriend of his ever reported missing?  I was thinking karin Jansen also which puts her in the mess in the beginning.  I wonder who the other murder victim mentioned by this guy was? Or what he is referring to when he says that.

The girlfriend wasn't reported missing, as far as I recall. 

The writer also wrote that Joran is the victim.  In my mind, perhaps he's referring to him. 

The writer is just theorizing on writings or translations previously posted on the internet or in the news.  I, personally, don't find him easy to understand, nor do I care to.  jmho
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« Reply #339 on: December 08, 2010, 03:41:34 PM »

I know what you mean 2NJ. I try to gather the meanings also but the translation sends my mind in different directions. 

The more that i think that Deepak and Satish might not have been involved in the actual murder I realize that they would have come out years ago to clear their name.  But the truth is is that they don't because they were involved more in this.  I mean you see it.. "hit the girl with the car" in the recordings.  What happened there??
 
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