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DecDe double murder at the Marriott Hotel
Author Wicher Wedzinga
On June 24, 2005 are Joran, Deepak and Satish - the three musketeers - in the backseat of a police car. Tempers are heated. They are aware of a time to their own devices. The call is tapped, like more calls from friends tapped. But in this case takes a bizarre turn the conversation. The relationship between the three emerges sharply and the content of the interview is revealing. Joran sometimes leaves his true face, which is a rarity.
The report of this sensational conversation as an introduction to my reconstruction of the "murder" of Natalee Holloway. This reconstruction is based on a detailed analysis of the file available to me. Its content is an important part in an earlier message. All information is filtered and weighed. In my analysis I try to sketch a coherent picture of events.
Deepak: How does it feel Joran?
Joran: (with raised voice) You let my father be arrested, friend.
Deepak: (very calm) That's what I say. How does it feel?
Joran: You know no good thats my father HAS nothing to do [with this}. I have read your statements, friend. You two are lying shit. (Then very calmly) You know what happened with That Girl. If you do not know it, then nothing happened. (Then angrily) So, you fxxx. What do you say, Freddy That HAS to be arrested?
Deepak: That Freddy HAS to tell the truth.
Joran: You know very well that Freddy HAS Told the Truth.
Satish: Will You see, you see compromise.
Deepak: You Could have prevented it from the beginning, this, or your father. You know it. That he was not arrested.
Joran: How? How? (Stretches "how" out) You declare shit against him. My father only wanted to help you, friend. Only to help you was what my father wanted. My father himself arranged your lawyers. And this is how you pay it back. (Now with an angry voice) I Should hit you both once [to give a blow].
Deepak: Then try it. You Can Make It Better at one time.
Joran: About what? You Can Also make it better.
Deepak: You just have to tell the truth. Tomorrow, I'll get my last 8 days and then I'm going home.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak: I'm going home.
Joran: Wait until I'm going to tell stuff about you two. Then we'll see if you two are going home.
Deepak: I guarantee you.
Joran: Do you think thats the police is interested in knowing That Satish touched a girl with the car?
[The word 'concern' is being used, translated here literally, but you-can use the word 'hit' Also in the context].
Satish: He heh one [?], Boy you let me laugh, just laugh.
Deepak: (to Joran) You know dang well, you always try to put bullshit between us.
Joran: (to Deepak) Then you're going to tell shit about the ChoHer [Choller]? I Have Helped you with That That Shit of the Choller friend.
Deepak: And, Also I said that.
Joran: That I have not read. Also I have read That statement.
Satish: That of the chollers was from me.
Deepak or Satish: That I have Already Told before. Also I have said thats in my first statement.
Satish: I said it in my own interest.
Joran: That's what the police tells me now. Police now says to me, like, if you two go against me, I'll go against you two.
Brothers: (laughing) Hehehehehehehe.
Satish: We do not put you into trouble. We just tell the truth.
Joran: That you two do not do. The half of what you two have said fxxxing isn't the truth. It will come forward. Just Like They check me, They check you two also.
Satish: With us, with us, They can-get evidence, but not with you. [A bit Unclear: It's: with us, with us. Can they get evidence, but with you nief] With lies, you do not get evidence,
Joran: All that shit of "Karen," all two of you do not know or no shit. Fxxx you two.
Deepak: You think thats the girl HAS nothing on, you see who compromise fxxxed who (this sentence was not good to understand) [note of the police officer]
Joran: We Will see. Hey, you know when I will laugh, if I've Given you a slap in the face. When They laugh I'll find the girl alive, fxxx you.
Joran: I know very well that you are afraid. That is if you two have done something bad with That Girl. And if They find the girl, then Shall we see
Satish: I'm not afraid. Why must I be afraid?
Deepak: I want to find the girl themself. You are going to tell shit about me That I have buried the girl at Fisherman's Hut
Joran: Who has said about Burying? I did not say anything about Burying.
Deepak: That's what you have Stated. That stop with bullshit.
Joran: I have said nothing about Burying. The only thing I can think or what, Is That You Know People that it is the people of automotive enterprises.
Satish: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, then I had a flat tire, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah ... I picked you up, right. And then I went back to the beach for her.
Joran: Who has said that?
Satish: You said that.
Joran: That I have never said friend. I have never said That you went back, friend.
Joran: That's your problem. They find if That Girl, They Will See That shit then.
Deepak: Eight more days and then I'm going home, I guarantee You That for a 1000 per cent.
Joran: We Will see.
Deepak: (to Joran) You do not give a shit about your, the members of your own family.
Joran: The only thing that I can think of is my family. I do what my family tells me to do. Right, +++++.
Deepak: Your own father, unbelievable.
Joran: What My Father, it is your fault That he was arrested. I did not declare anything against my father, my father against you two Declared
Satish: We did not declare anything.
Joran: Or course, you did.
Satish: What did I tell against your father?
Joran: You are counting That he Declared, That if there is no body [body = dead body], there is no case or what I do. All shit. That is totally not true, That is the only thing he said was, if there is no body [body = body], then there isn'ta case.
Deepak: Yes, that's true.
Joran: That's not true.
Deepak: Also I said in my statement, That Meant it was not like that.
Joran: Did not read it in your statement. That They now use against my father.
Deepak: We suffered a lot Because of You.
Joran: That's the price That You let my father pay. That you let him poke like that. Fxxx you. If you let me drowsy, I say ok. It does not matter to me. I can just sit here for 160 days. It does make a difference to me fxxxing. I'm sitting good here.
Brothers: Me too. Me too.
Joran: And you Satish, they're counting me That You asshole, see ghosts in the [jail] cell. They told me That you saw the girl in your cell and That You were very scared.
Satish: Me seeing ghosts? Two Other Boys Were seeing ghosts. Also you believe the people who are here in jail. That HAS nothing to do with ghosts And That's just garbage shit what you say.
Joran: They talk good about me, but not good about you. And Also the two security guards, They have guaranteed me That They will kill you two, if you go out of jail.
Deepak: Oh, yes.
Joran: Who has Declared about the security guards, you no tme. Why? Because I do not want to put anyone in trouble Who has nothing to do with the case.
Deepak or Satish: (screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You Admitted that.
Deepak or Satish: (screaming) That lie was for you.
Joran: You two paid him off, right.
Brothers: ha ha ha ha ha ha
Joran: You said over the telephone then like, That I have the jackpot. You said now [?] Through the phone, I have the fxxxing jackpot. You forget thats the phone is tapped, right?
Satish or Deepak: Shut your trap [shut the f*** up]
Joran: You forget That, right +++++? Then you arrive home and you say how you arranged everything. You say "I have fixed it. Good for you [Meaning your own fault]. Because of You Also he is in jail.
Deepak: Yeaaaaaaaaahhh! Yeahhhhhhhhh!
Joran: (to brothers) Man, what can you do go? [Illegible, what is typed is: jucfc juflfe]
Deepak: (to Joran) What can you go do?
Joran: Make me, shut my mouth no
Brothers Fxxx you, we do not talk anymore with you.
Deepak: (to Joran) You talk Until you get tired.
Satish: (to Deepak) Do you have clothes?
Deepak: What am I going to do with Those? I'm leaving anyway in [illegible] days.
Joran: That's what you think.
Deepak: Shut your trap. Shut your trap, you bitch. Fxxx your father.
Joran: If my father doesnâ leave tomorrow, then you'll see. Boy, shut your mouth shut before I hit it.
Deepak: Do it then, you're Already in jail.
Joran: Does not matter to me. They can-just put me in the solitary fxxxing [cashot]. It does not matter to me.
Deepak: They're going to give you fifteen years if They find the girl.
Joran: For what? for what?
Deepak: That scholarship or yours. Byeeeeeeee. You Can forget it.
Joran: Yeah, by who? By you, +++++. You know well that you did bad, Otherwise You Would not Lie.
Brothers: aaiaaieaaieeaiee!
Joran: I Should have killed you, +++++. Shut your trap.
Deepak: Will not be fun, if you are standing in front of the judge or instructions tomorrow. Why not? Too much evidence?
Joran: Then They Are Also allowed to hit me. Do you think thats it makes a difference to me. One Will Be weak enough.
Satish: You think, you think.
Joran: What do you think, That You are going home to get your gun?
Satish: That I have a gun.
Joran: Satish, you, get gun at home, me shoot you two dead.
Satish: Look, the police went to my house and Already Already Investigated [searched] the house. They did find a gun? What Will she get? ["What will they get." The word "they" is the word for 'she' or for 'They', but They use the singular verb for 'will', therefore'she ']
Deepak: (to Joran) Sometimes, you talk bullshit, right?
Joran: (to Deepak) Why That shit is not true? Witnesses saw you.
Satish: In the end we see Will, who gets out and who stays. You tell the truth, We Shall see.
Joran: I know That I'm getting out.
Brothers: We shall see. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Natalee Holloway had been at the time of death of Queen transformed into a pawn in chess game to bet that had to conceal the truth. A young American girl was killed in the immediate vicinity of the Marriott Hotel after excluding probability bordering on certainty was drugged and sexually abused by at least Joran. That did not happen on the beach and not at the Fisherman's Huts. The story that Joran as a mantra over and over again about opdist is geloochenstraft by the facts. There were on the night of the Soul Beach Festival many witnesses on the beach at the hotel and no one has seen Natalee and Joran. The only witness who explained in detail about it, later admitted the story to have sucked his thumb. And Steve Croes had his own reasons for his mother to deceive.
The story that he was with Natalee back and forth walked, with her had sex and her as "passed out" has left behind is thus considered unlikely to be chronicled, except that Natalee Holloway indeed "passed out", but first after she was sexually abused by a fleeing car was run over, was beaten and bleeding like a pig and trembling like an aspen leaf gave up the ghost. Call it murder, call it murder, call it manslaughter. Me, in this case do not care. Legally, it is between these alternatives, although a world of difference, but morally blurred the boundaries, especially in this case. The death of Natalee Holloway is very much like a chronicle of a death foretold. A chronicle in the course begins Sunday May 29, 2005, but the germs may have already been laid much earlier. Read more »
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NovDe boomerang Wilders
Author Wicher Wedzinga
As the number of party members with a criminal record grows, Wilders turns increasingly into a leader. A leader of a criminal organization, that is. Such a leader must of course themselves also have some on his tally. Otherwise she does not count. But at that point, Wilders is not affected. He has to February 7, 2011 Amsterdam appear in court again and again Moszkowicz and defended by the Public Prosecutor. A court in all respects that he has treated too kindly.
This prosecution may well be, as the Solicitor General recently argued, the prosecution decision of the Court have observed, but this is obviously a travesty. That the prosecution had to do. Legally there was no escape. What matters is that the prosecution same prosecutors on the case put, which had previously decided to dismiss the criminal case. These will be located at the far-reaching decision of the Court have properly and everything was annoyed to find that they did not feel. An independent and impartial prosecution in a nutshell!
Of course the officers had other business at the session to deal with. That happens quite often after a prosecution decision and the argument that they are specialist judges in discrimination cases, is utter nonsense. So complicated is the case not be sensitive, but that is something else. It illustrates only the disdain of the Public Prosecutor for the decision of the Court. An attitude that undoubtedly supreme chief Brewers and his College of Procurators-General was dictated.
Meanwhile, as requested by Attorney General Abel and at the request of a dear friend Mr. Moore made election pamphlet, convincingly demonstrated the court on improper grounds challenged. The first victory of Moszkowicz, after a series of embarrassing legal defeats in this trial. Moszkowicz as a lawyer not a real high flyer, but admitted that he should be using his many friends in the media, the advertising business in good order. Too bad that his absurd request to challenge at the last minute by incompetent colleagues of Mr. Moore was honored. He had the acquittal for his client already own pocket and will probably also have baled. Moore and his colleagues had the request for the witness heard Jones based on current law can easily dismiss. But Moore apparently does not sit well with his expertise. Read more »
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NovIntermezzo Holloway: An intermediate
Author Wicher Wedzinga
Before the series of reports about the Holloway case "is closed with a piece about the corruption and conflicts of interest that a role played in the derailment of the investigation, I will soon be the final step of reconstruction of the events the night of Sunday, May 29 2005 on Monday, May 30, 2005 published a piece titled: "The double murder at the Marriott Hotel.
I am very conscious of the fact that the series of messages is hard to follow, especially for those not in the file are consecrated. I also have warned from the outset that the case file thoroughly. From several friends told me that it has become too detailed and that the main line is lost. Such criticism is justified, but taken into account. I therefore no concessions.
I refuse to surrender to the superficiality that journalists like Peter R. de Vries own, and not contributing to the solution but only victims. In this case, but in the past. The ratings are good and the money goes in, but it's cheap and easy, and who pays it to all those who have to lean? Also, I refuse to take sides, as numerous web site visitors do. They are for or against Joran, for or against Natalee and see everything through a narrower perspective glasses. Me it is about truth.
In the series of messages has so far attempted to make clear that Joran is certainly not unique in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway is involved. A thorough reconstruction shows that Deepak Kalpoe and Satish Kalpoe to a lesser extent, but also Guido Wever and Steve Croes the main characters to be counted. A missed opportunity to say the least, the spotlight is not on this person. Joran was an easy prey, but a prey that is difficult or did not catch. Now it is important to the investigation to focus on others.
In the fatal night of Sunday, May 29, 2005 on Monday, May 30, 2005 to play the key events is set between about 02.30 and 03.00 hours. Why detail is so important. The poker eight sheds light on those who Joran hand over your head and possibly the night there even have been active. Realize that efforts were made in that turbulent night Natalee's body and the traces of the crime to erase. Guido Wever no coincidence disappears without a trace a few hours. Deepak does not happen until Tuesday morning at 01.00 hours and in case his car is already about midnight to the home of the family Van der Sloot parked. Not coincidentally, Satish absent and Andre Santos is only a minor role assigned. Both have little or nothing to do with the death and disappearance of Natalee Holloway.
The father of Joran van der Sloot contrast, charges the suspected themselves to be closely involved. And that's putting it mildly. But I will and must choose my words carefully. That is something that few realize. The call for an accusing finger is easily done, but any sane person knows that there is more to it. Also, it is my primary goal was and is to the incompetence, conflict of interest and possible corruption by the government to prove.
I have many many new facts revealed and published. This is often done for reasons mentioned earlier muffled and the truth is often read between the lines. The many information "purify" and the relationship between events show this to my knowledge the first time that a complex but coherent image is created from the events surrounding the disappearance of Natalee Holloway. It is hopefully the prelude to a book that will appear in English. No money to earn, to be clear!
This afternoon is really clear whether the jaw of Natalee Holloway. If so, further investigation may be more evidence. In my contribution I have tried the direction for further research to determine. I am afraid that this re-examination by the police and judiciary on Aruba in hand is taken. Because they have failed miserably in recent years and are respected by the media.
In the message I hope the silk to make a loom. Will be clear what happened to Natalee.
Copyright @ wedzinga2010
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NovDe innocence of Joran van der Sloot (continued)
Author Wicher Wedzinga
Preliminary: For a good overview, it is desirable to read the above article first before reading this revealing piece. Revealing because for the first time a consistent and coherent image is created from those in the disappearance of Natalee Holloway are involved. Fragmented information on the Internet using the file on credibility and reliability and truthfulness therefore tested. This information is much more refined.
(....)
Whether it is true, I do not know. Information on the internet is too vague. Information from criminal and civil case provides sufficient guidance on to say that Natalee Holloway probably between 02.30 hours and 03.00 hours of life has left. At about 01.50 hours Joran and Natalee by Deepak and Satish in a quiet, unpaved road from the Marriott Hotel off. "A street with no name". Deepak and Satish were then driven home. Deepak logs at 02.00 hours on his computer. While he was chatting with his American vroend John Charles Croes comes an alarming call from Joran inside. It is 26.2 hours.
Joran should have been panicking. Deepak says Joran Natalee that he "passed out" on the beach left behind. I doubt the latter. Nobody Joran and Natalee on the beach saw the three fishermen who pretty much spent the whole night. Ed Kissel, to American classmate of Natalee, thought at first that he had seen her on the beach, but later proved to be mistaken. The phone itself comes not from the beach, but about 800 meters inland. The call takes about 8 minutes, but Deepak says there was interference on the line and suggests that the conversation took less time. Joran was walking on their way home. Without shoes, at least without a shoe. To 02.46 hours from the computer of Deepak a message sent to the mobile phone to Joran. The text is cryptic: "Wait till you get home. Miscalling me ". When asked during one of Joran claims his interrogations Deepak did not know what this means.
Could be. A persistent rumor that Deepak wants the clock on his computer has been compromised. The FBI has confirmed. Because he is good with a computer can use it, would in principle be possible. The text betrays a call from Joran to Deepak expected. That would mean that Deepak would assume that at the moment Joran his feet over the threshold set at home, but not at the computer. Joran would then have stompelend, huffing and puffing his home run. The file seems to indicate that he probably just after 03.00 hours and 03.30 hours short for home. Deepak or Satish sitting behind the computer and a short and turbulent exchange of messages follows. Joran walked home that is found in more or less support in a statement by a witness. Who first sees a sweaty and stumbling walk and later that same Joran Joran in the company of Paul van der Sloot in a jeep.
It is about 04.00. And that is true. Because the file seems to follow that Joran to 03.56 hours at his computer and that from that time two porn movies for download. And for that you do not have to sit at the computer. It seems likely that the father of Joran around quarter to three on alert condition. Because at 02.34 hours shifts the younger brother of Joran on the computer. That is precisely the time when the crucial conversation between Joran and Deepak place or has just ended. It seems reasonable to assume that around that time in the Van der Sloot the alarm went off. Police also noticeable that the teenager in the middle of the night and active during the interrogation is thus repeatedly asked if he can drive a car. Reportedly, the mother of Joran stated that the phone one year later, near the Lighthouse Califormia found of him and not by Paul van der Sloot. Anyway, the idea has apparently been that the troops came into action. Read more »
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NovAankondiging Holloway
Author Wicher Wedzinga
The following message about the disappearance of Natalee Holloway will appear on Friday, November 19.
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