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Topic: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 - 12/30/10 (Read 401590 times)
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Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
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Thank you Sleuth!
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Quote from: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 04:28:18 AM
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Just helping TM...
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Willy Vandersloot's facebook.
http://www.facebook.com/search.php?q=willy%20van%20der%20sloot&init=quick&tas=0.7778898816823455&ref=ts#!/profile.php?id=697138646
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Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen?
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php
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Quote from: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen?
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php
I've been wondering the same. If she can, I hope she does.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
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Quote from: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 11:11:52 AM
Quote from: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen?
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php
I've been wondering the same. If she can, I hope she does.
I'm just thinking since the book is going to be published in the US she might be able to.
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Quote from: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen?
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php
And considering the wrinkled prune is on Anita's facebook, and has signed the Joran prison petition, I think a case could be made that proceeds would be funneled to Joran.
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Quote from: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 11:21:53 AM
Quote from: texasmom on December 12, 2010, 11:11:52 AM
Quote from: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen?
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php
I've been wondering the same. If she can, I hope she does.
I'm just thinking since the book is going to be published in the US she might be able to.
Didn't she say the same things about the crockumentary, like she had a distributor...and then come to find out no one would touch it!
The book is just another packaging of the crockumentary she had problems finding anyone to distribute in Holland. It has only ever been televised in Aruba and Curacao. And IIRC when some tried to purchase it online to view, they never could view it...and ended up getting porn site pop ups for their money instead.
I think if she does find a publisher for her blatant slander of Natalee and her family in the U. S., that they would most definitely be in for a lawsuit. JMO
Wonder if she's trying to find a connection from this:
Her son, Dolph van Stapele is dealing with a group in Los Angeles to get his film distributed.
http://www.versgeperst.com/lifestyle/71538/tula-scoort-internationaal-contract.html
Google translation:
Tula scores international contract
11/07/2010 1:43 p.m. | LIFESTYLE | Elisa Cake
CURAÇAO - Tula's story has stolen the hearts of American movie cop
International Film Distribution Consultants.
After films such as Law Abiding Citizen and Book of Eli, the company will now work with the film on freedom fighter Curacao.
The producers of Dolph Stapele and Jeroen Leinders Fisheye Media Productions in Los Angeles last week were making calls on the international representation of the film. Finally they dragged an agreement with IFDC on hold.
Flexible production
Through this contract, they await the distribution of the film soon to be true. Also opens the doors to this agent contract with U.S. film studios which will work smoother.
Local and international actors
The main roles in Tula's film also stars well-known American actors so the film a broad and international audience attracting. Local actors are also not forgotten and will work with the international stars shine on the silver screen. If everything goes according to plan, the 2011 movie into production.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Re: Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 -
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Quote from: Buckeye on December 12, 2010, 12:18:53 PM
Quote from: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen?
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php
And considering the wrinkled prune is on Anita's facebook, and has signed the Joran prison petition, I think a case could be made that proceeds would be funneled to Joran.
Good point, Buckeye.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Quote from: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen?
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php
Pauw and Witteman Interview
January 11, 2008
(translated from Dutch)
Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?
Anita: I don't know, I have thought for a long time that she is alive, and there ahve been indications she is. And those facts have to be investigated. Rene Gielen on Curacao is making a documentary, she has interviewed a lot a people, we know because she's in contact with us. I really would like for the other side of the story to also be investigated.
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm
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Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway
Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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JMO, but I still believe there's blood relation between Renee and Anita. And it may even be closer than this, this is just what I was able to find. IMO, there's no other reasonable explanation for Renee's extreme interest/involvement and continual attempts to spread her vicious lies in this case.
hmmm...
http://www.genealogieonline.nl/gielen-stamboom/kwartierstraat.php?id=I258.php
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Quote from: Tamikosmom on December 12, 2010, 01:22:34 PM
Quote from: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen?
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php
Pauw and Witteman Interview
January 11, 2008
(translated from Dutch)
Witteman: Do you think she’s dead?
Anita: I don't know, I have thought for a long time that she is alive, and there ahve been indications she is. And those facts have to be investigated. Rene Gielen on Curacao is making a documentary, she has interviewed a lot a people, we know because she's in contact with us. I really would like for
the other side of the story
to also be investigated.
http://www.hollowaycase.com/archive/media/jorandevries.htm
It is obvious that in January, 2008 .... Renée Gielen, Julia Renfro, Anita van der Sloot, Rudy Croes and Castillo/Young were in cahoots with the upcoming documentary "The Other Side of the Natalee Holloway Case".
Janet
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Amgoe - January 17, 2008
ORANJESTAD — ... (Rudy) Croes is of the opinion that now that the case against the suspects Joran and the brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe has brought no results, the Public Prosecution must also consider other scenarios. Castillo and Young’s findings must therefore be seriously investigated, said the minister. “After Beth has been in Oprah’s program, it will be good to tell
the other side of the story
.” Oprah Winfrey has spent some time on the Holiday-matter in her show yesterday.
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_38773.php
THE OTHER SIDE OF THE NATALEE HOLLOWAY CASE - THE PREVIEW
JULY 3, 2007
The other side of the Holloway-case
Police Aruba hindered by FBI’
By Michael Willemse
WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – The American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has systematically hindered the work of the police and the judiciary on Aruba in the investigation of the missing student Natalee Holloway. Especially when it came to investigating her direct relatives, mother Beth, stepfather George ‘Jug’ Twitty – who apparently has direct or indirect contacts and influence reaching as far as the White House- but also when it came to investigating the more than 120 fellow students and the chaperones who accompanied them in their trip to Aruba .
“You do your own dirty work”, is what was said to former police commissioner Gerold Dompig in charge of the Holloway investigation by a high ranking FBI staff member.
“Myself and also the field officer of the justice department on Aruba (at that time the European-Dutch Karin Janssen ) not only had to deal with the enormous pressure from the FBI, who arrived on the island in no time, but we were also obstructed and even threatened.”
VIDEO TAPE
So says Dompig on video, who after a lot of insisting was convinced to do so without his person appearing on screen. His voice is recognizable and he mentions his own name on several occasions.
The Amigoe was the first to see the material, which the makers expect will portray a different angle of the case to the world – especially with the American people- a case which in the last two years has been covered by tv-giants like CNN and Fox News, and broadcasted daily in the living rooms and offices in the United States and the rest of the world.
Dompig, who up until May 2006 – when he resigned – led the investigation on Aruba, and three others, who from the start each had their own function after the then 18-year-old girl from the prestigious Mountain Brook at Birmingham , Alabama , did not return to her hotel room on the 30th of May 2005 , are now speaking up. They each feel the importance of sharing this side of the story. Perhaps even the story; the truth. A story where three boys – Joran van der Sloot (at that time aged 17), Deepak Kalpoe (21) and his 18 year old brother Satish (formally still suspects), hardly play a role in anymore.
That story is told to tv-producer Renée Gielen (known for his three documentaries about the Bon Futuro prison on Curaçao) and camera man Dolph van Stapele, who from the start had his suspicions about the case and consequently flew to neighbouring eiland Aruba on several occasions, in search of the truth. Until they managed to make certain persons talk, who’ve been able to shed a different light on what could possibly be the most talked about disappearance ever.
MEDPLANE
They revealed that already one day after Holloway was declared missing, a medplane (medical plane or ambulance-plane) from the US arrived on Reina Beatrix airport and was stationed for a few days in the area of the airport where private jets park. Nothing strange about that on the surface, except that the crew (two pilots, a doctor and a nurse) knew nothing about why they were there. Gielen and Van Stapele also discovered that the plane landed without authorization and was also not registered by the Aruban authorities, while the mysterious landing – even though it was reported to the police in an official unsigned written testimony –was subjugated by the corps to the investigation only months later. This is also the case for other testimonies.
SECRET EXIT
The ambulance plane needed to be used as a secret exit for Natalee to the US . Secret, for the local authorities weren’t allowed to get wind of this – if they succeeded in ‘liberating’ the girl from a drug warehouse in Oranjestad and secretly leave the island.
Angela Dilorenzo, an American living on Aruba and close the Natalee’s family in those first days, talks about the special task she was given by Beth Twitty, Natalee’s mother: “Please do me a favor, after you find Natalee, please cover her up and bring her to the medjet. We’ll take good care of you and they are already awaiting her at the airport.” Angela, who’s married to a restaurant owner on the island, has her voice recorded on the video, but does not appear on screen.
Does Beth then know that her daughter is still (alive) on the island, after she declared to the whole world that the three local boys have done all sorts of things to Natalee and possibly even killed her? Or was the latter merely a ploy to cover up what really happened? Why on the second day of the disappearance is Beth already hanging posters all over Aruba which state that her daughter has been ‘kidnapped’? After which on the same day of the disappearance – also peculiar – when the co-students had only arrived back in Alabama just a few hours, she steps out of a private jet in Aruba with pre-printed flyers under her arm containing a local mobile number, and immediately starts handing them out to the airport personnel? Does Beth know something the rest at that time didn’t know and still don’t know? Angela: “I’m almost convinced that Beth knew where Natalee was from the start.”
She and another American on the island, Julia Renfro, who has also been living on Aruba for years and works as the editor in chief for the English daily paper Aruba Today, have been involved in the case from day one. Natalee’s mother asks Renfro on the 31st of May to help her find her daughter. During the course of several weeks Renfro becomes one of Beth’s confidants and together with Angela one of Natalee’s ‘angels’. Two years after the disappearance of Natalee, Renfro now also tells her story about the side the world doesn’t know.
TELEPHONE CALL
The material shows that Renfro and Angela talk about a phone call which they received from an unknown woman on the 2nd of June 2005 . She knows where Natalee is at the moment, that she’s still alive, but doesn’t want to go back to her mother Beth. For the measly sum of 4000 dollars the caller will say where. But to the complete surprise of Renfro and Angela, Beth did not want to really go in on that and afterwards, after insisting, she was willing to pay no more than 1000 dollars for the release of her own daughter. While the day after they were planning to announce a reward of 10.000 dollars – a sum which will eventually increase to more than one hundred fold.
When Angela declares that she will pay the demanded tip sum out of the cashier of her own restaurant and look for Holloway herself, Beth drops to her knees and says the following. Namely that the girl should be in disguise so that no one will recognize her and brought to the awaiting ambulance plane. “So that she could leave immediately and not have to be questioned by the authorities, the police and certainly not admitted to the Aruban hospital system”, Renfro adds.
But before Angela and Renfro arrive at the drug warehouse, Beth’s careless and especially loud – ‘I’ll burn this place and island down’ – former husband Jug Twitty (in the meantime Beth has now also divorced Jug) had already been there; except for a lot of uproar and panic in the direct vicinity, he achieved nothing. But more importantly, according to both women Jug is responsible for the failure of the ‘rescue operation’ and that Natalee- of which really nothing more has been learned, not even indirectly – still remains and will remain untraceable.
ALBERTO G.
Once again the unauthorized medplane departs to the US, after the crew members have been too clamorous and light about their unknown mission at the bar of the hotel where Natalee had stayed and where now also her relatives and traveling companions sleep for free – the Holiday Inn – they were subsequently fired upon their return. So manager/employee Alberto G. – another person which the tv-producers portrayed (incognito) – of the private airport heard shortly afterwards from one of the crew members of another medplane. Alberto is coincidentally, as he is one of the first who they come into contact with, also the one who guided Beth and Jug around the island. Alberto asks one of the travel companions how they actually plan to get the kidnapped daughter on board the private plane- “If she was supposedly kidnapped, she does not have a passport”, and thus will not be able to pass through immigration – to which the person which sent the plane to Aruba answers: “Do not worry about that. That will be all handled.” The plane which was sent to fetch Natalee, was instructed by the owner of the company leasing private jets, G.Ruffner Page Jr. Page also arranged the private jet which brought Natalee’s mother and her companions to Aruba shortly after the disappearance.
JORAN
If the person who made the phone call with the tip, really knows where Natalee is at the moment, then it would naturally give a different turn to the up until now known facts and this would vindicate Joran van der Sloot, at least of the ‘burden’ which he carries of being the last one who saw her. But this and other peculiarities in any case shed new light into the matter. Not in the least the lies about the three boys, Aruba and the police and justice system on the island , which Beth according to journalist Renfro kept on spreading to all the large American tv-networks who massively tore them apart. So she claims during interviews that at least one of the three raped her daughter and that this information is based on police statements; however she never shows these statements and later on both her Aruban lawyer and head of police Dompig deny the existence of such statements. Another good example is the manipulation of a tape on which Deepak Kalpoe was asked if Holloway had sex with all three to which he replied ‘ No, she didn’t’, while the America popular tv-show Dr.Phil shamelessly turned this into ‘She did’, as was scientifically revealed by the Dutch Forensic Institute.
For months Aruba is world news, but the hospitable population suffers from the constant stream of insults about incompetencies and corruption of the law. It even goes further when the family Twitty calls upon all American tourists to boycott the island, an action which got the open support of governor Bob Riley of Alabama .
Renfro concludes: “The family did not want the truth to be told.”
In the meantime donations are streaming in for the family, out of sympathy for the victims. According to Renfro the donations amount to hundreds of thousands of dollars. The biological father of Natalee – Dave Holloway- doesn’t receive one cent, according to Renfro, but he’s the one who’s searching high and low for his daughter without having dozens of paid cameras on his back.
ENORMOUS PRESSURE
Speaking of the accusations of incompetency. Never before has the Aruban police corps worked under so much international interest. Never before has the pressure been so big. Never before has the interest been so wide. But also, never before has the job of the police and the judiciary been made so difficult (not to mention, impossible). Ex-commissioner Dompig explains that in every country in the world, also and especially in the US , in cases of disappearance the investigators first look at the direct environment of the missing person: the relatives. “Out of respect we did not do that in the first instance.” Dompig continues: “For this wasn’t a normal missing- persons case on Aruba . No, it concerned a high profile missing case which America talked to the Netherlands about on a top level.” So we got a phone call from the Dutch Minister of Justice (Piet Hein Donner, CDA) with the order to: “Take everything out of the shelf”. The Netherlands even sent F16’s with very expensive equipment to make photos of every square meter of Aruba . “We understood more and more that it wasn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about the relationship Kingdom of the Netherlands and the US . This reached as far as the inner circle of the White House in Washington. Reaching Vice-President Dick Cheney. He’s the clue.”
STEPFATHER
Renfro also mentions in front of the camera that the highest American institutions and members of government were involved in the case: “The day after she disappeared the chief protocol got a telephone call from Mrs. Condoleeza Rice, asking him to ask our Prime Minister to put this case at the highest priority.”
But except for the hot breath of the FBI in their neck, the local authorities got frustrated in their work, especially when wanting to know more about stepfather Jug, the extremely wealthy president of Phoenix Metals which also does business with Latin-America. In an investigative case in which money possibly plays an important role, it’s important to also look at the financial picture, explains Dompig with his voice on tape. However it soon becomes apparent that he can forget that thought. “You do your own dirty work”, is what Dompig is told upon telling the FBI-attaché his intention of investigating the stepfather. Dompig: “If that’s dirty work, then it raises a few questions.” But that’s not all. According to the police officer, there is talk of a direct ‘threat’ by the consul-general of the US in the Netherlands Antilles and Aruba . Bob Sorenson is stationed in Willemstad , Curaçao and has naturally taken an interest in the case.
It comes down to that up until now this side of the story, at least as long as Dompig has been at the corps, has never been investigated. As is the case with the co-students and their chaperones, who on the planned day simply returned back home. Only after a lot of insistence did the Aruban authorities get the opportunity to ‘interrogate’ a couple of people. This had to be done in writing on half an A4, whereby the Aruban police was thus not permitted to directly interrogate them and whereby they thus had ample time to think of meaningless answers.
The makers of the images believe their recordings can show that what actually happened, is very different than what up until now has been shown, especially by the American media. In any case they want to open a window about the work ethics of the American federal police, who in no single way have shown their full hearted cooperation to investigate all possible scenarios and to really try and solve the mystery. In contrary, they believe that a lot points to a conspiracy. That it isn’t about Natalee Holloway, but about a lot, a lot of money. That she has become the victim of a case which through circumstances took a different turn than was planned.
NOT ON FBI LIST
The issue in any case raises an incredible amount of questions even after two years to date. That Natalee is not on the FBI’s missing people list, says a lot. And that for one of the perhaps most famous missing student of the world. In the US alone, there are 750.000 reports of missing people each year.
http://www.amigoe.com/english/
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day. I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me. It's not easy. I ask God to help me.
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.
"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.
Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Prior to the July, 2008 release of the documentary "The Other Side of the Holloway Case"
Renee Gielen Interviews Dave Holloway April 30, 2008
From BFN
This afternoon Dave was interviewed by Renee Gielen for her documentary. He agreed to the interview to set the record straight.
The meeting went well and Dave pretty much countered all the "disinformation" that has been put out there.
They talked about the investigation, the boycott, the "rehab story" and many others issues.
Dave talked to her about Natalee, her personality, her visits and what a wonderful young lady she was.
As far as the investigation, he stated, as he always has, that he felt that certain person stood in the way of resolution... one being Dennis Jacobs.
They also talked about the cab driver / blue eyed blond dutch boy story... about how could the cab driver remember who he had in in cab when, how he did not come forward with the "story" until many days later. He asked Renee to describe her waiter from a restaurant she ate ate the day before... knowing that you do not pay attention or remember these things.
She asked about the Foundations and their purpose which he explained, which we already know.
She also asked him about the birthmark, rehab , Beth's arrival on Aruba, the medjet.... see a pattern forming here?
Dave did comment that Renee was very nice during the interview.
Robin has also promised to tell us more about the interview when she hears all about it.
-- Posted by Debbie BFN
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Following the July release of the documentary "The Other Side of the Natalee Holloway Case".
Geraldo At Large - July 21, 2007
DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Geraldo, there's a group of people, individuals on the island, reporters, disgruntled aruban police investigators and the privately operated tourism department that are engaged in a disinformation campaign in an attempt …
GERALDO : And this is part of it Dave
HOLLOWAY: Yeah, they're in an attempt to minimize Natalee's disappearance on Aruba's image and tourism …
Transcript: Heli - RU
Mark Purcell/MIP6 - July 21, 2007
"Well i guess my days of helping have come to an end if this is truly how Dave feels. I guess providing information that goes against the grain of what the 'family' wants to be true is considered miss-information. Cool...finished/done."
BFN
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November 17, 2007
Mother wanted to hide Natalee Holloway’s rehabilitation past
WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway that disappeared 2.5 years ago in Aruba, has done everything to hide the drug addiction past of her daughter.
Documentary maker Renée Gielen came to this conclusion. As a result of Beth Twitty’s recently published book, ‘Loving Natalee, the true story of Aruban kidnapping and its aftermath’, she threw herself even more empathetically into the case. She bases herself on declarations of Jug Twitty’s search in and around cholhouses in Aruba at that time. By now, Jug Twitty is the ex-husband of Beth. When Jug was asked why he was doing that, he said: “Because Natalee was recently in drug rehab in the US.”
THIS IS WRONG
“After I read the book, I got the feeling that there is something wrong here. The lies in the book and the many other doubtful claims and occurrences in the past 2.5 years made me think: Has Beth really wanted Natalee to be found?” For Gielen, who already has dozens of hours of visual material and is working on a documentary, this is reason for her to soon travel to the United States and go further into the Holloway-case.
Documentary maker to the US for ‘real story’ on Holloway
WILLEMSTAD/ORANJESTAD – “When I looked her in the eyes, I knew that something was not right, and from that moment on, I ducked down in the case; and I am still on it”, says documentary maker Renée Gielen about Beth Twitty, the mother of Natalee Holloway. Gielen ducked down into one of worlds most discussed disappearance cases two-and-a-half years ago and was especially moved by the strange behavior of Natalee’s mother, whom she interviewed in June of 2005 in the Holiday Inn Hotel in Aruba for the Dutch TV-program TweeVandaag. “At that time, I didn’t know yet what I saw in her eyes; one thing I knew, I didn’t have a sad mother sitting in front of me. I know now what I saw then: a mother with a lot of problems.”
Gielen, who lives and works in Curacao, came earlier this year with video-recordings including declarations of persons involved, which put the case in a new light. Amigoe reported this and the Dutch current affairs programme Network broadcasted it thereupon. As a result of the recently published book of Beth Twitty ‘Loving Natalee, the true story of Aruban kidnapping and its aftermath’, she’s now working on a documentary with new material on tape, together with Dolph van Stapele, Peter Ranzijn, Michel Drente, and Suzanne Jansen.
Gielen is now getting ready to go to the United States for further inquiry. She describes Beth’s book as ‘an image building story with a first class rabble-rousing’.
“After I read the book, I got the feeling that there is something wrong here.” That confirmed her suspicions. The lies in the book and the many other doubtful claims and occurrences in the past 2.5 years made me think: Has Beth really wanted Natalee to be found?”
IDEAL DAUGHTER
Gielen points out that Natalee was never put on FBI’s official list of missing persons. She also says that the surveillance tape of the Holiday Inn that shows a blond woman, was not sent to the Forensic Institution in Rijswijk, because Twitty said that the woman was not Natalee. Gielen says that she has information that reveals that Natalee did not at all meet the image that her mother Beth likes to portray her: the dream daughter, a virgin that has never done something wrong in her life, doesn’t drink, doesn’t smoke, has never experimented with drugs; the Christian girl that in all sorts of manners propagated her biblical ideas in volunteer work and was an example for all other young persons.
According to Gielen, the truth is the reverse of all of the above. Natalee has even been in a drug rehabilitation clinic right before she came to Aruba. The girl had such a good time in Aruba that she didn’t want to leave the island. Natalee had the male persons present ‘lick her belly jellies’ on the bar, was smoking dope on the beach, and her girlfriends even warned her not to drink so much, recites Gielen. Natalee’s ‘addiction’ was brought up in an interview that Gielen has on tape, with the Aruban taxi driver Trina (for her protection no family name), who also appears in the book (as the only taxi driver) called by her first name. She tells Gielen that when Beth’s by now second ex-husband and his friend Mitch were in her Taxi, they asked her if she can take them to cholhouses on the island. “When she asked why, they told her that Natalee has recently been in rehab in the US”, said Gielen.
Gielen dares to say that in the days, months, and by now years after the disappearance of her daughter, Beth Twitty wants just one thing: disguise Natalee’s outrageous behavior and the way she disappeared. She only needed one thing for that: a whipping boy. And that was Joran van der Sloot, the boy with whom she was seen last, in the company of the two Surinam brothers Deepak and Satish Kalpoe; they must have done it. Gielen says that Joran made the mistake by the first instance lie about leaving Natalee behind. “Besides, he writes that in his book, in which he does not spare himself.”
BE NO GOOD
The assertions of Beth Twitty in the course of time confirm the idea that she has played a peculiar part. Gielen names a few examples. “Twitty manages to say in interviews – FOX News, Geraldo – that the Dutch government has used the tragic occurrences around hurricane Katrina to release the suspects in Aruba in September of 2005. ‘Rape is not a crime for the Dutch government’, she added.” Twitty asserts in the same interview that there are five declarations in which Joran van der Sloot admits having had sex with Natalee in his house and that Natalee became unconscious so now and then, while these declarations do not exist, says Gielen. “You must have a lot of courage, when you write in your book that during a meeting in Aruba with Ahata, you make the statement that everything was a cover-up from Aruba’s side and that the then chairman of Ahata would have whispered ‘yes, that’s correct’, while you can count that this can be checked, which I did”, says Gielen.
Twitty writes that the Strategic Communications Task Force that Aruba established, was done ‘to combat the negative media and to combat us’. “A member of the task force contradicts this and says that the task force has always tried not to take an extreme position. In the beginning, the strategic task force has even set herself up as liaison for her. They fixed hotels for her and facilitated her press conferences. They have even collected money.”
The member can only guess that Beth experienced the website – that nuanced her often unfounded statements and accusations that caused the island harm – as an attack on her.
Gielen also quotes that Twitty has repeatedly insinuated that her daughter had no bankcard with her, ‘because it was in her bedroom in Alabama’. “This while Jug Twitty –Natalee’s stepfather, whom Beth has meanwhile divorced – and a friend were talking in a taxi about Natalee withdrawing money twice since her disappearance, after which they have blocked her account.”
Beth writes in her book that she felt threatened by Charles Croes, who as owner of a ‘rental cell phone company’, was real fast involved with the case and offered help on all fronts. Beth says that he has pose as ‘clairvoyant’ and supposedly has asked her about her sex life when he was alone with her in the car. A girlfriend had rescued her just in time. “These are not the only insults of Twitty to Croes’ address. Croes tells his story in an interview I had with him recently, and that is completely different. Besides, Croes confirms Twitty’s ties with the White House. Jug Twitty told him: ‘I have very long fingers that can reach all the way to the White House’. It already appeared earlier that via Jug, Beth had contacts with Condoleezza Rice, who, via the Dutch Justice-minister, managed to have Aruba make the case a ‘high profile one’.
http://arubanboycott.blogspot.com/2007/11/mailbag-time.html
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Quote from: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 03:20:28 PM
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Another sloot Kodak Moment:
I can hear Valentijn describing the picture to a friend, about 20 years from now.
Val: See the guy in the very back? He is cowering like a poodle and can't even work up a full smile. That was my dad! He collapsed one day
DOING A GAME OF TENNIS.
The little miserable looking fart standing next to him is my brother, Sebas-++++. The woman in the front showing off her giant distended belly and elephant vagina, that's my mommy! Yes, yes, those were the days, my friend.
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THIS ROLLER COASTER RIDE
It's Devastating!
Dr. Phil - January 29, 2006
Beth: There are times when we're thinking that we need to continue, and of course we're still searching for answers, but it's this rollercoaster ride. And it makes me so angry, Dr. Phil, when I let myself fall for information coming out of an official who represents the island of Aruba.
If somebody presents you with false hope and false information, it's devastating
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http://www.drphil.com/slideshows/slideshow/3041/?id=1&slide=3&null=null
Dismissed!
Press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office
Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 - 11:33 AM
Source: NBC 13 Staff
By notifying the three suspects that they will not be charged with the crimes that were under investigation by the judge of instruction or for which they have been kept in custody or, two years ago, in pre-trial detention,
these crimes now have been dismissed
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http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2007_12_16_archive.html
He Told Her Face to Face
Aruba ends probe into Holloway disappearance
12/18/2007
Holloway's mother, Beth Twitty, was "terribly disappointed" that the case was closed and has been on an emotional roller coaster in recent weeks, said Sunny Tillman of Birmingham, Ala., a spokeswoman for her.
"She was very hopeful the last couple weeks, and she went down there and met with the prosecutor," Tillman said.
"He told her face to face that he had new and incriminating evidence and that made her hopeful."
"So now, in light of this today, it's just so perplexing," she said
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22312287/ns/world_news-americas
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Quote from: klaasend on December 12, 2010, 11:02:35 AM
Wonder if Beth can sue Renée Gielen?
http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_82182.php
Press release by the Aruban Public Prosecutor’s Office
Natalee Holloway Case Dismissed
Tuesday, Dec 18, 2007 - 11:33 AM
Source: NBC 13 Staff
Yet the Public Prosecutor’s Office and the team of investigators are convinced that after this year’s investigation from April until December, it has become clear that any scenario beyond the one that implicates these three suspects has either been falsified or is proven to be highly unlikely.
http://getagripmonkey.blogspot.com/2007_12_16_archive.html
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“A person of integrity expects to be believed and when he’s not, he let’s time prove him right.” -unknown
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