Natalee Holloway Case Discussion #854 11/26/10 - 12/30/10

[texasmom]

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
 

[darleenofalabama]

Merry Christmas, Y'all!!

Also, did anyone see that story in the National Enquirer (well, they did first report the John Edwards story, so they can be reputable) about that multiple murderer who killed Natalee and Stephany?  It seems he hired someone to stab another prisoner who robbed him.  Now, shouldn't he be charged with attempted murder??

[klaasend]

http://www.rnw.nl/english/article/11-most-talked-about-dutch-people-2010

The 11 most talked about Dutch people in 2010
Published on : 23 December 2010 - 12:15pm

Who were—in culture, politics and crime—the eleven most talked about Dutch persons this year, not only here in Holland but also in Latin America and Africa?

1. Geert Wilders
The ranting voice of the common Dutchman made headlines through much of the year. In June’s elections, his PVV party won 24 seats, becoming the country’s third largest. Following months of tense coalition talks, his party even got to rule the country without joining the government. Then there was Wilders’ trial for insulting Muslims, inciting hatred and discrimination. The court soap featured a largely silent Wilders, stumbling judges and a fateful dinner. The fun was only spoiled by his own MPs, some of whom, it turned out, were aggressive troublemakers, crooks and suspected porn lords.

2. Joran van der Sloot
Following a calm 2009, in 2010 Joran again basked in the limelight. On television, he admitted that Natalee Holloway had fallen to her death after taking cocaine. After a woman had been found murdered in his hotel room in Peru, he was arrested in Chile. TIME Magazine declared the arrest the biggest crime event of the year. Extradited to Peru, he confessed but soon after withdrew his statement. In the US he was accused of blackmailing Natalee’s mother. Now he is awaiting trial in Peru’s notorious Castro Castro prison.
 
3. Tanja Nijmeijer
In 2010 Holland’s most famous guerrilla launched a formidable media offensive. In September she was back in the news when she was thought to have been killed in an army raid on a FARC rebel camp in Colombia’s jungle. Dead or alive, she was brought to life in video footage published by RNW. Whether documentary or propaganda, the images reveal that she misses Dutch cheese and bikes, becomes teary on hearing the national anthem, likes to sing Top 2000 songs and will stay with the FARC till she dies.

4. Nigel de Jong
The year was largely dominated by the World Cup in South Africa, where Holland reached the final. The team owed much of their success to Bert van Marwijk’s tactical interventions, Wesley Sneijder’s goals and Arjen Robben’s fast forward runs. Once all the orange dust had settled, though, it was Nigel de Jong who stood out. Feared as a ruthless midfielder, he lived up to his reputation by striking Spain’s Xabi Alsono on the chest with a spectacular flying karate kick.

5. Mark Rutte
Locked in a power struggle for the party leadership only three years ago, he is now the country’s first liberal PM since 1918. After a fraught formation, he forged a coalition with the decimated Christian Democrats, backed by the booming PVV. While his cabinet is trusted by few, the PM’s popularity continues undiminished.

6. Laura Dekker
After a long legal battle, in August the teenage sailor finally set sail for her solo trip around the world. Is she a pigheaded teenager with reckless parents, or an independent, intelligent youth able to steer her own course? Whatever the case, she succeeded in crossing the Atlantic. From her blog we learned that, on her long journey, she often listens to music or watches the sea and sometimes is hit by lulls and boredom.

7. Ruben
Rather against his own wishes, the nine-year-old boy from Tilburg made world headlines when it emerged he was the only survivor of May’s plane crash near the Libyan capital Tripoli. All the other 103 people on board the flight died in the accident. Dutch and foreign media proceeded to gatecrash ‘the Tripoli miracle’, forcing the orphan into non-consensual interviews and violating the privacy of his hospital sickbed.
 
8. Victor Muller
Here Victor Muller was known as a flamboyant multi-millionaire and the maker of the handcrafted Spyker sports cars. In February, however, he became famous the world over after taking over Swedish car maker Saab from the ailing US company General Motors. The world was astonished, and soon there were rumours of Russian financiers of dubious reputation with criminal connections. In Sweden, however, Muller’s reputation as the saviour of thousands of jobs remains unshaken.

9. Nicolien Sauerbreij
At the Vancouver Winter Games, she did what few had thought possible: winning gold for snowboarding—quite a feat for someone from a flat country, with lots of rain but little snow. In addition, it was Holland’s 100th Olympic medal. It was therefore entirely fitting that she was proclaimed sportswoman of the year.

10. The Bavaria Babes
During the first week of the World Cup, the Bavaria Babes aroused more passions than the Dutch team. Clad in orange skirts, the 36 lasses were repeatedly caught on camera flaunting their delightful wares - a bold example of ambush marketing on the part of the brewer Bavaria. Alas, the stunt breached FIFA regulations and two babes were thrown in gaol for undertaking commercial activities in a football stadium. Feelings were running high and even the government intervened. In the end, Bavaria and FIFA reached a settlement, with the beer brewer’s mission - as much media attention as possible - amply accomplished.

11. Armin van Buuren
In terms of Google hits, DJ and producer Armin van Buuren is the country’s number one. The prestigious International Dance Music Awards in Miami declared the high priest of trance the world’s best DJ. And his label, Armada Music, was chosen the best record company. The authoritative British magazine DJ Mag also declared Van Buuren the world’s best, for the fourth year in a row.

[texasmom]

 

I think this says Poentje Castro has been shot in the head. 

http://www.awe24.com/

2 hora happen | fecha: 23/12/2010 | horario: 08:01

conocido productor of declaration of policy of one day in life poentje castro achieve without life in his cura of cas cu tiro in cabes more informacion y also the video at caminda

[texasmom]

I think that's exactly what happened and this confirms to me that it was him.

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5738&offId=0

Papiamentu translation:

2 hora happen | fecha: 23/12/2010 | horario: 08:01 conocido productor of declaration of policy of one day in life poentje castro achieve without life in his cura of cas cu tiro in cabes more informacion y also the video at caminda diahuebs morning owing to enter informe of cu have one person throw abao on vloer in cura of cas in weststraat all at blood, at once owing to dirigi tanto police because; ambulance at the sitio. at arrival of the patrol owing to come constata cu here is deal of one person masculino cu not was give sign of life more. at arrival of ambulance they also owing to constata esey y owing to solicita presencia of doctor at the sitio. at arrival of doctor owing to come constata cu the victima johnny poentje castro not was give sign of life. we will follow informa

[texasmom]

http://www.diario.aw/

Papiamentu translation:

poentje castro throw kill in his cura of cas



publication: diahuebs, 23 december 2010.

categoria: general

—breaking news—

oranjestad (aan): habitantenan in area of apollostraat at madiki enberdad owing to hear disparo sona very close self of they cas on diaranzon night. several cacho owing to bark, but mucho cos more not can owing to worde feel. the surprise of more big was today diahuebs madruga, hour cu poco-poco owing to cuminza become cla, y cu in his cura of cas in area of apollostraat y weststraat owing to come achieve the conocido presentador of tv, esta john castro, mihor conoci because; “poentje”, sleep abao in one plas of blood. panico owing to enter person they curpa, y at once owing to notifica police.

the first unidad cu owing to arrive, owing to come come across cu the situation tristo y earnest here, y owing to notice cu the do not give sign of life. at once owing to seya the lugar for evita cu is lose rastro.

that owing to throw poentje? esey is algo cu autoridad still not have contesta pe. if is assure cu past owing to worde throw several trip, y posiblemente esun fateful is one tiro at his cabez.

recherche owing to notice cu bisiñanan owing to splica cu by 10’or for 11’or of night, they owing to hear one motorcycle happen in the caya, y after of some instant owing to hear two tiro. past owing to sona as clapchi. after owing to hear con the motorcycle owing to actuate cu velocidad high.

but abroad not can see nothing! the lugar where owing to achieve poentje castro throw abao, is much dark. is till morning hour cu owing to cuminza become cla, owing to come haye throw eybao.

have indicacion cu poentje will owing to worde throw of one distancia enough close. esey nifica cu the murderer y poentje owing to talk cu another much close.

police now have of check kico poentje is haci the hour ey abroad of cas. the will owing to end of arrive? or a owing to yame via celular for bise come abroad? autoridad will desea of achieve informacion of people, for know that can owing to see poentje on diaranzon night. all the tipnan here is valioso. even if do you know if acaso poentje is ricibiendo menaza ultimo dianan!

john anthony castro owing to nace at aruba day 20 of october 1963, conoci because; productor y presentador of the famous declaration of policy “un day in bida…” cu have one audiencia not only at aruba, but at another islands also. the is besides one person that owing to dedica his self much in world of farandula, because; also of his love for car, mirando the mature cu in pasado the was work for aseguro for so analiza damage at vehiculonan cu owing to achieve accidente. the is conoci also for his coleccion big of spectacles cu the have.

poentje have 47 year of edad.

the informe here is still progresando, then here rato more update on the news here. at family of the fayecido, daily paper is send his more deep word of condolencia. updated: 10:05 owing to.m.

[Tamikosmom]

As John Kelly as stated ... if an underage Joran had not been at either establishment on the evening of May 29, 2009 ... the chain of events that led to the demise of Natalee would not have begun.

Janet

++++++ 

Aruba Frequently Asked Questions

What is the legal drinking/gambling age?

The legal age for both drinking and gambling is 18 years. It is not, however, widely enforced. You will not usually be “carded”.

http://www.aruba-travelguide.com/faq/index.html

[texasmom]

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=5708&offId=0

PERSONA A KIMA TRAGICAMENTE DEN PICK-UP NA ZEEWIJK




Translated:

person owing to burn tragicamente in pick-up at sea district

So someone tragically burned in their pickup near the beach?  How does that happen if not on purpose?

They're saying he died of a heart attack first, before the truck caught fire.

"Infarto"
Dictionary
noun
infarct
heart attack

http://www.diario.aw/2010/12/causa-di-morto-di-homber-den-pickup-tabata-un-infarto/

Papiamentu translation:

cause of dead of man in pickup was one infarto

publication: diahuebs, 23 december 2010.

categoria: general

oranjestad (aan)* after cu tuesday tramerdia for 1’or afternoon central is achieve one call cu will have one pickup at candela at zeewijk. after cu bomberonan owing to pay the candela owing to come achieve one curpa without life in the car sit. for of ministerio publico owing to achieve the notificacion cu the curpa of he m.r.c.m. naci at venezuela y was live at zeewijk 79 owing to wordo take in beslag for investiga cause of his dead. autopsia owing to wordo haci on the curpa y owing to come resulta cu he here owing to fayece first cu the car owing to coy candela. the cause cu is wordo give is cu he here owing to fayece for one infarto momentonan first cu the car owing to burn.

is so cu after cu ela come is fayece in the posicion cu the was his leg cu was on the trot owing to press this very duro self door of the weight of his curpa already without life. this owing to place cu the engine owing to acelera very much self, (ela bom the motor).

the mufler was break y owing to desaroya cayente cu owing to desaroya bao of the tanki of gasoline cu on his file was bao of the baki of the pickup. the cayente inmenso owing to cuminsa burn the plastic on the good of the baki of the pickup cu owing to follow expande at where cu this owing to sende the tanki of gasoline at candela.

the candela owing to become worse y owing to place cu one window behind owing to break cu the consecuencia cu the candela owing to plama come inside in the cabina cu the consecuencia already conoci. autopsia owing to show cu ela die at once, first cu the incendio.

the investagacion for determina cause of fayecimento is the result of the autopsia, investigacion technico y listen bisinja they decklaracion. daily paper is extende words of deep pesame.

[texasmom]

Merry Christmas, Y'all!!

Also, did anyone see that story in the National Enquirer (well, they did first report the John Edwards story, so they can be reputable) about that multiple murderer who killed Natalee and Stephany?  It seems he hired someone to stab another prisoner who robbed him.  Now, shouldn't he be charged with attempted murder??

Merry Christmas Darlene!

That story hasn't been posted from the Enquirer yet.  Maybe someone will have it later.
I think if it's true he should be charged, but won't count on it.
 

[Tamikosmom]

AS AN UNDERAGE

Jossy Mansur - Dana Pretzer - July 23, 2007

DANA: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

JOSSY:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.    I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

http://scaredmonkeysradio.com/2007/07/23/the-dana-pretzer-show-monday-july-23rd-2007-special-guests-larry-sinclair-jossy-mansur-ladonna-meredith-attorney-jay-paul-deratany/

[Tamikosmom]

I have a VIP Pass

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005

After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I go to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=160.0

[Tamikosmom]

THE REST OF THE NIGHT WOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for April 3
updated 8:24 a.m. PT, Tues., April. 4, 2006

JOHN Q. KELLY, HOLLOWAY FAMILY ATTORNEY: Well, if you look at the surveillance video footage, it appears that he’s the one sitting directly next to her and tries to engage her in conversation a couple of times.  And it’s sort of ironic that it’s his father who brought his underage son to a casino and left him there after he left, with access to his line of credit, to put this unfortunate chain of events in process.

You know, if Joran had never been there, not been allowed in there, because he’s underage and wasn’t accompanied by his father, the whole rest of the night wouldn’t have happened.

COSBY: You know, and, John, also, why would that be a significant—why is that in conflict to something else we’ve heard maybe from Paulus before?

KELLY: Well, he’s just claiming that, you know, he’s kept an eye on his son, you know, he’s kept him on a short leash, and, you know, his son is very well-behaved. And it turns out that he’s, you know, got him at casinos.  If you’re under 18, you’re not legally even allowed in casinos[, so his son was breaking the law with him enabling it.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/12150698/

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/

Papiamentu translation:

poentje castro asesina

polisnan today morning owing to achieve the conocido presentado of television poentje castro asesina in his cura of cas in apollostraat near of welcome college at madiki. mucho informacion adicional do not available still.

the hour exact of the susedido do not conoci still, but is in oranan of marduga. testigonan owing to count ; police cu they owing to hear one motorcycle arrive at the parcela, owing to listen at least 2 tiro y after owing to hear the motorcycle bandona the sitio cu velocidad high. because; cu is dark, not can owing to see nothing y bisiñanan owing to opta for follow sleep. today morning owing to come come across cu poentje castro sleep in one plas of blood in his cura of cas near of his car.

autoridadnan till still not have more informacion on the susedido y is ask publico, all esunnan cu can have more informacion for calling 100 at once. alto comisario dolfi richardson is sospecha cu will can is one caso of "afrekening" (Dutch translation:reckoning or "settlement") but not can confirma. if past owing to sigura cu owing to institui one equipment of recherche cu have the instruccion for investiga the caso here.

[texasmom]

http://www.rnw.nl/nederlands/bulletin/arubaanse-journalist-poentje-castro-dood

Google translation:



Aruban journalist Poentje Castro dead

Published on December 23, 2010 - 3:34 pm

ORANGE CITY (RNW)-The Aruban journalist and talk show host John "Poentje" Castro this morning found dead beside his car in his garden in Aruba. He had several bullet wounds .

The exact circumstances of his death are still unknown. The police is doing further research. At 11:30 am local time following a press conference.

Neighbors have stated late last night or two pop shots to have heard a motorcyclist and driving away at high speed to hear. Because the fireworks one has no further eight saved. Early this morning, Castro was found by one of his children.

Castro was known from his talk show the Bida Un Dia (One Day in the Life). In it, he includes a controversial interview with Patrick van der Eem that Joran van der Sloot was secretly filmed, commissioned by crime reporter Peter R. de Vries. Castro was later threatened by Van der Eem.

Fellow journalists say he had received no signals that something was going on with Poentje.

See also: Temporary Ban on 'confession' Van der Eem (7 March 2008)

[texasmom]

I always thought Poentje Castro was a shady character.  No mention of his recent arrest in any of the articles.  He was arrested and held for several days in relation to a robbery at Claudius Phillips home. 

There are a few of the articles I posted about it here....me and 16 guests were looking at them.   

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=188.msg1013295#msg1013295


http://www.24ora.com/content/view/13307/8/

Papiamentu translation:

poentje castro deteni because; sospechoso in caso of ladronicia

friday, 30 october 2009 - 14:12

the conocido farandulero poentje castro cu have the declaration of policy one day in life owing to stay deteni for recherche. they're investigando one caso of ladronicia at home of claudius philips at wayaca residence cu owing to sosode some week happen. claudius self owing to go several radio for anuncia his caso where past owing to lose some cos of value. the first detencion owing to cay some day happen. two sospechoso cu was envolvi y cu owing to go at one of the casnan of cambio owing to stay deteni. click read more for more informacion...... the investigacion owing to follow y name of poentje castro owing to being menciona. so recherche owing to go y detene also poentje. cu hand geboei owing to leave cu poentje for of his office. the is sospechoso y owing to base of his declaracion will dicidi if the will stay close or not. now here the is stay one sospechoso.

[klaasend]

http://www.24ora.com/

Papiamentu translation:

poentje castro asesina

polisnan today morning owing to achieve the conocido presentado of television poentje castro asesina in his cura of cas in apollostraat near of welcome college at madiki. mucho informacion adicional do not available still.

the hour exact of the susedido do not conoci still, but is in oranan of marduga. testigonan owing to count ; police cu they owing to hear one motorcycle arrive at the parcela, owing to listen at least 2 tiro y after owing to hear the motorcycle bandona the sitio cu velocidad high. because; cu is dark, not can owing to see nothing y bisiñanan owing to opta for follow sleep. today morning owing to come come across cu poentje castro sleep in one plas of blood in his cura of cas near of his car.

autoridadnan till still not have more informacion on the susedido y is ask publico, all esunnan cu can have more informacion for calling 100 at once. alto comisario dolfi richardson is sospecha cu will can is one caso of "afrekening" (Dutch translation:reckoning or "settlement") but not can confirma. if past owing to sigura cu owing to institui one equipment of recherche cu have the instruccion for investiga the caso here.

Also here

http://www.diario.aw/2010/12/poentje-castro-tira-mata-den-su-cura-di-cas/

[texasmom]

http://www.24ora.com/

Papiamentu translation:

poentje castro asesina

polisnan today morning owing to achieve the conocido presentado of television poentje castro asesina in his cura of cas in apollostraat near of welcome college at madiki. mucho informacion adicional do not available still.

the hour exact of the susedido do not conoci still, but is in oranan of marduga. testigonan owing to count ; police cu they owing to hear one motorcycle arrive at the parcela, owing to listen at least 2 tiro y after owing to hear the motorcycle bandona the sitio cu velocidad high. because; cu is dark, not can owing to see nothing y bisiñanan owing to opta for follow sleep. today morning owing to come come across cu poentje castro sleep in one plas of blood in his cura of cas near of his car.

autoridadnan till still not have more informacion on the susedido y is ask publico, all esunnan cu can have more informacion for calling 100 at once. alto comisario dolfi richardson is sospecha cu will can is one caso of "afrekening" (Dutch translation:reckoning or "settlement") but not can confirma. if past owing to sigura cu owing to institui one equipment of recherche cu have the instruccion for investiga the caso here.

Also here

http://www.diario.aw/2010/12/poentje-castro-tira-mata-den-su-cura-di-cas/

I posted that one I think, the link wasn't as descriptive but I think it's the same story.

[klaasend]

TM - thanks, I didn't have time to read back so I didn't know if you had it.  I have to run out for a few hours, see you guys later. 

[texasmom]

TM - thanks, I didn't have time to read back so I didn't know if you had it.  I have to run out for a few hours, see you guys later. 

Thanks Klaas!  I'll be out for a while too. 

Aruba, One Happy Little Island....YEAH RIGHT!   

[msmarple]

Ah yes, just another day in paradise.

I just wanted to thank texasmom, klaas, the mods, and all the faithful who keep this topic going, and keep their eyes on Aruba.

Merry Christmas to all!