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« Reply #520 on: January 20, 2011, 09:42:49 PM »

The jawlines just look so different.  He would have had to have had a jaw implant, LOL 

If everybody knew you'd helped protect Joran and Paulus, wouldn't you get a jaw implant and some grecian formula too? 

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #521 on: January 20, 2011, 09:47:28 PM »

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I agree.  I think the facebook pic is definitely Ben King.  I've found pics of him with his sons too.

But I'm not convinced yet that it's not him with shorter hair in those other pics also. 
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I was thinking the same thing.  Check his left earlobe..
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« Reply #522 on: January 20, 2011, 10:17:51 PM »

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I agree.  I think the facebook pic is definitely Ben King.  I've found pics of him with his sons too.

But I'm not convinced yet that it's not him with shorter hair in those other pics also. 
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I was thinking the same thing.  Check his left earlobe..

The picture from the video is not very good quality, but I do see what you're talking about!

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #523 on: January 20, 2011, 10:37:30 PM »

Watching the movie about Natalee on LMN...this the first time I'm seeing it and I'm a mess! My stomach hurts so bad.

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« Reply #524 on: January 20, 2011, 10:55:03 PM »

http://www.facebook.com/album.php?id=516710111&aid=523258

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #525 on: January 21, 2011, 12:26:54 AM »

The earlobes could be twins.

Do we actually have a picture of Ariean de Bie?  For some reason, I'm thinking we made a link.  The same guy was with Joran in a picture of going to hospital for DNA and at house with Carlo and Kock, at release.  I think Vocking/King, is more the "sneaky" type and would have stayed behind the bushes.
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« Reply #526 on: January 21, 2011, 02:05:36 AM »

The earlobes could be twins.

Do we actually have a picture of Ariean de Bie?  For some reason, I'm thinking we made a link.  The same guy was with Joran in a picture of going to hospital for DNA and at house with Carlo and Kock, at release.  I think Vocking/King, is more the "sneaky" type and would have stayed behind the bushes.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=704330n

That may be it Buckeye!   

He was definitely one of Joran's lawyers according to this video. 

ITA about Vocking/King too. 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #527 on: January 21, 2011, 02:22:46 AM »




JUSTICE FOR NATALEE AND STEPHANY!
 

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #528 on: January 21, 2011, 06:35:26 AM »

Watching the movie about Natalee on LMN...this the first time I'm seeing it and I'm a mess! My stomach hurts so bad.

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I recorded the Natalee movie last night so that I can watch it this weekend.  I'll make sure I have a nice quiet time to watch it.
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« Reply #529 on: January 21, 2011, 09:44:15 AM »

Blonde - I believe TM is correct and WE were all incorrect in who we thought was Ben King for all these years.

Are you saying WE WERE WRONG 
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« Reply #530 on: January 21, 2011, 09:58:54 AM »


Just finished scrolling through the thread to stay caught up, thanks Klaas and our lovely anonymous monkey for the trial docs.  I'm looking forward to the 3/11/11 summary judgement hearing.  Interesting.

I've been busy on another assignment, but Natalee and the monkeys are never far from my heart.

Peace to all.


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« Reply #531 on: January 21, 2011, 10:37:08 AM »

Blonde - I believe TM is correct and WE were all incorrect in who we thought was Ben King for all these years.

Are you saying WE WERE WRONG 

I think back in 2005 we had alot of Aruban "helpers" encouraging us in the wrong direction. 
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« Reply #532 on: January 21, 2011, 12:27:30 PM »

 
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« Reply #533 on: January 21, 2011, 02:49:09 PM »

But this Ben King's profile suggests he worked for KIA so I would think this is the right one



I agree.  I think the facebook pic is definitely Ben King.  I've found pics of him with his sons too.

But I'm not convinced yet that it's not him with shorter hair in those other pics also. 

These pictures come to mind also.  They were discussed at one time too.  I'm thinking we may have decided he was a lawyer?  Maybe Buckeye remembers?  It's been a while ago that we discussed it. 






http://www.onspwa.nl/dewaakvlam.php

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Oranje Nassau School & Prins Willem Alexander School


The song "The Pilot" that plays in the background is from the page and the pilot be put out.
THE PILOT

Music at        Music

   
The song "The Pilot" in 2006 specially written and sung by the student ex-ONS/PWA Ariean de Bie. It shows how in the sixties in Seven lived.



The Pilot (Ariean Bie)

As a child soldier for the first time not displaced
We were similar for each was strange
Sometimes it boring Netherlands, a tough, tough travel
Before you were here, wish you back to Seven

Your friends lived in the Esschen or Erlenweg
But they came from Limburg and Drenthe
And nobody has ever felt so at home more
As in the crucible of one hundred accents

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Was there life before seven, there was life after that?
Yes, but it was very different
That short intense period of time
Made us a different kind of Dutch
You were separated from the clay
and embraced by life
That feeling is the year
my pilot light remained.

You suddenly had a very beautiful and spacious house
And stereo and color TV
Mom and Dad blitsten happy with their brand new Ford
Cigarettes and drinks galore

In Brauel was sometimes than death around the corner
Or a marriage shattered
"It's strong legs that carry weelde'kunnen"
who uses stop-gap 'everyone.

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It had to do with the war, NATO and so
It remained unclear, you were young and ignorant
But we knew of plans for evacuation
When the hell would be unleashed

Our fathers died, sometimes at night in our dreams
If the button was pressed and the Russians would come
In the morning you get careless at the Claim Diele
Except when the Russians invaded Prague

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Germans received us with a skeptical heart
Were we "Argus Eyes" or a new start
We were sometimes reckless, we were sometimes clumsy
She looked surprised, sometimes jealous or silenced

Yet I have found friendship with Germans
Which is maintained and that has never been breached
We shared the sorrow of what we clave
We shared the belief in a borderless love

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From school through the woods naar't pool racing
Along the stench of the sewage treatment
With a friend hard cycling over the moist forest
But slowly cycling with your first girlfriend

On Friday there were the basement party
We drank coke like crazy, ate chips like animals
You found out the sex early in Seven
"Who do I give a kiss'

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You heard there because you were in that boat
A military family and you wanted to or not
And if someone went after a certain time
Often gave an indelible sadness

When the day came that my friend had to go
I still long for those prulbak stood in the schoolyard
But look what fate it sometimes does to you
I got him there, right there, met again after 40 years.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #534 on: January 21, 2011, 02:54:46 PM »

http://www.onspwa.nl/fotogallerij2009.html
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #535 on: January 21, 2011, 03:49:07 PM »

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Joran and OM talk tomorrow in the Netherlands


ORANJESTAD Ė The conversation between Joran van der Sloot and the Public Prosecutor (OM) will most probably take place in the Netherlands tomorrow, said Joranís lawyer Ariean de Bie.  Van der Sloot indicated last Monday that he is willing to be interrogated again by the police. According to Van der Eem, Joran continued to bombard him with email and sms until the day of the disclosure. 

After he had met Joran in a poker game in the casino, Van der Eem had approached the Dutch police last year with the suggestion to unmask him.  Justice questions the fact that he had given himself up.  Due to the fact that there is no law for special powers to investigate (BOB), deploy a civil informant in Aruba is unfortunately impossible, but this is different in the Netherlands.  Using police-informants is possible, but with Ďa lot of troubleí.  ďBut that is going to changeĒ, said an insider in the OM.  ďA BOB law is in the make and will probably be presented soon.Ē

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The November, 2007 Arrests

November 30, 2007 -- Updated 0017 GMT (0817 HKT)
Brothers to be freed in Natalee Holloway case


The new evidence against the three men was gathered from advanced techniques used to re-examine existing information, including cell phone records and text messages exchanged the night Holloway disappeared, Mos has said.

Investigators also returned to the homes of the suspects to try to re-create transmissions. The team also discovered that some existing evidence was improperly analyzed.

Defense attorneys for the Kalpoes and van der Sloot have said the prosecutors' evidence is flimsy. "To say it's less than nothing is too much," van der Sloot's lawyer, Ariean de Bie, told CNN.

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« Reply #536 on: January 21, 2011, 04:22:45 PM »

http://books.google.com/books?id=-bk7pDK7VfsC&lpg=PP1&dq=Loving%20Natalee%3A%20A%20Mother's%20Testament%20of%20Hope%20and%20Faith%20By%20Beth%20Holloway%2C%20Sunny%20Tillman&pg=PA221#v=onepage&q&f=false

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The most damning conclusive evidence discovered by this investigative team concerns the search warrant issued for the van der Sloot residence following Joranís arrest.  We have always been very distressed that the police could not get into the van der Sloot house in a timely manner.  When a search warrant was finally issued ten days after Natalee disappeared, the island police were prepared to go into the home.  But according to this report by Peter de Vries, they arrived only to be greeted at the door by a high-ranking official of the prosecutorís office named Ben King, a personal friend of the van der Sloots.  So there was no element of surprise.  The van der Sloots were more than ready for the police to come.

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Are you sure he is the same Ben King?
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I don't know if I'm the only one but I always found it very disturbing that a certain former member always had the last picture on this post as their default picture.
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« Reply #537 on: January 21, 2011, 06:29:00 PM »



Ben King

http://www.onspwa.nl/fotogallerij2009.html
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #538 on: January 21, 2011, 06:59:11 PM »

BEN KING AND BOB WITT

Beth Holloway

FOX News w/ Martha MacCallum - November 28, 2006


BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, MOTHER OF NATALEE HOLLOWAY: Well I think they will always have to look at there were two personnel involved from the Aruban Justice Department and that is why we donít have any evidence and thatís what Joranís attorney will have to be reminded of. Itís because of Bob Witt and Ben King stopped the search warrants. It was made to initially search the entire area of Montanja 19 the garden, the buildings and everything but on the spot high ranking employee of the Justice Office Bob Witt reduced the search warrant to only the room of Joran so thatís why we donít have any evidence because of involvement of the obstruction from the Aruban Justice Department personnel.
 

Peter Devries

The Robert Jensen Show - November 28, 2006


PETER DEVRIES: Yes the police missed several chances to do things right: when they wanted to search the house.  the door was opened by Mr. Ben King, an assistant of the Procurements Gen. office, the highest justice-office on the island, and a friend of the family who wanted to support the van der Sloots in these difficult times.  So clearly the search of the house had not been a surprise to the van der Sloots.  The police had a warrant for the complete estate but a judge - Bob Wit - who was at the house as well said only Joranís room could be searched.  These are things a Dutch crime-reporter is of course totally astonished about.
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« Reply #539 on: January 21, 2011, 07:54:11 PM »



http://www.onspwa.nl/gastenboek.php

Guestbook

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Anonymous 29/03/2009 at 7:22:26 p.m.
Yes and it's over. Directors we wish to thank you for another successful reunion. Thanks for your time and effort. Normally I feel my muscles after exercise, but now after the reunion, especially my abs. What we have some laughter. Yeah and the anticipation and napret, this time in hotel centrally was also wonderful. Many memories have been picked up and it's always great to meet everyone. Ariean, thanks for your performance, the song again, the PILOT, it always gives me goosebumps. Now I'm back home, as dull as a rabbit, because the nights were short, great relive all the fun. No actually reminisce on the fun two days. Claudi, also thanked the Hotel Central, it was like you heard at the reunion. Directors thanks again for everything and I wish this Ariean, Flora, Femke and Martin a good flight back to your homeland. Yeah and now I'm still just wondering when the next reunion is !!!!!!
Greetings Margriet Lohof and Ton van Rijnderhoff.

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Ariean Bie 07/04/2008 at 3:50:10 p.m.
Hi Chris,
That clicking on the photo does not want me succeed. That I do something wrong?
 
 
Ariean Bie 07/04/2008 at 3:45:20 p.m.
The Website is fantastic. Nice to see Mark and Aldo Albert Jan Jansen come. Boys of my time. Count it off, I help them.

Ariean Bie


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Carlo van Putten 14/04/2008 at 11:05:13
The song of the Arian Bie is so appropriate for this period ... Griffin read to the Holland House, the curve of Brauel, Hiempie, Monsieur Blanc, the giant hands of the bio Leune and Mr. Morality. Rokersbos and kissing in the matinee at the barracks with Raimond van Domselaar and Rene Lustig Now I give lessons and become a part of those memories, weird! I really hope I can be there next year. Hi I'm Anne Dillingh is in the organization. You sat in my class ... but I see no picture on the site. Greetzzz Carlo

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Jolanda-Volmer Triezenberg 03/09/2008 at 10:08:46 p.m.
Nice site.
Unfortunately this time I can not come to the reunion. We live in Aruba until summer 2009. Maybe the next ....
I miss some class photos. They are in my store. When we get back I look for them.

Greetings from Aruba a hot,
Jolanda-Volmer Triezenberg
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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