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« Reply #660 on: January 26, 2011, 09:50:47 PM »

An Underage Joran and Aruba's Underground Economy

4.  OPEN LINE OF CREDIT

'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' for Sept. 19th
updated 6:33 a.m. PT, Tues., Sept. 20, 2005


HAROLD COPUS, FORMER FBI SPECIAL AGENT:  Well this guy has that casino.  Hes alleged to have organized crime ties back to Chicago.  And you can say alleged, hes actually served time.  Hes been convicted.  So he comes up into Aruba and is able to get a gambling casino.  At the same time, were told that Joran and his dad both are gambling there.  It really makes you wonder how thats happening and how they got this line of credit. 

RITA, COSBY, HOST:  Yes.  And a big, big line of credit.  Beth, I know youve actually been to the casino, right?  And Michael Posner threatened you, is that correct? 

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTH:  Well, there was a phone call made.  And it was just really having me refer toyou know, Id only mentioned the fact I had gotten from prosecuting attorney as far as the open line of credit, and that Joran is in his casino gambling, and I dont think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and, particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee. 

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« Reply #661 on: January 26, 2011, 09:56:35 PM »

An Underage Joran van der Sloot and Aruba's Undergound Economy

5.  AUTHORITIES HAVE DONE NOTHING

Dana Pretzer Show - July 23, 2007


Dana: One thing that makes my listeners scratch their heads so to speak and wonder, myself included and we'll talk about it again, is the fact of the underage drinking and gambling that had been going on admittedly by young van der Sloot.  Was there ever any discussion or has there ever been any discussion at least of filing some charges as far as that goes?

Jossy:  No, there hasn't been any of that. The authorities have just (inaudible) it aside, they haven't paid any attention to it then and they're not paying any attention to it now and over the past 26 months.   I haven't seen anything in the direction of trying to make some kind of statement that this is not (inaudiable) at least make some sort of a statement that this is not (inaubible) because it is a known fact that as an underage he wasn't supposed to be in the casino, much less in the company of his father. He was there, there are video tapes to prove that and still the authorities haven't done anything with regard to that specific case.

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« Reply #662 on: January 26, 2011, 10:16:50 PM »

An Underage Joran van der Sloot and Aruba's Underground Economy

6.  THE CASINO CODDLED HIM

Posted on Sun, Aug. 15, 2010
Kevin Riordan: Aruba suspect a poker 'punk' to Glouco man


Before Joran van der Sloot became one of the most famous murder suspects in the world, Matthew Biebel nearly threw a punch at him during a poker game.

"You could tell he was a punk," Biebel says, recalling his encounter with Van der Sloot in Aruba on May 30, 2005 - the last day Natalee Holloway was seen alive.

Five years to the day later, a young woman named Stephany Flores Ramirez was found murdered in Van der Sloot's hotel room in Peru. The baby-faced suspect with the dyed buzz cut and dead eyes awaits trial in that case.

Biebel's 2005 confrontation with the "Dutch playboy" was captured by security cameras at the Radisson Aruba Resort, Casino & Spa. About a week after Biebel got back from vacation, three cars pulled up unannounced at his Mullica Hill home, disgorging a quartet of FBI agents who proceeded to interview him ("they were professional") for an hour.

"They wanted to know what the fight was about," Biebel says. "They thought that maybe we had had a disagreement about something other than poker.

"They wanted to know what his demeanor was like. They wanted to know if he was disheveled, and I said he looked like any other poker player - cool, calm, and collected."

A 55-year-old Inquirer driver and father of two grown sons, Biebel was in Aruba with a friend. That same weekend, Holloway, 18, was seen at a bar with Van der Sloot; she missed her return flight to the United States, and her body has not been found.

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Van der Sloot shared a poker table with Biebel and his friend May 29 and 30. Although house rules require that English be spoken during games, Van der Sloot frequently chatted with other players in a local language called Papiamento, Biebel says.

"I let it go, but finally there was a pot that was just me and him, and he did it again. I called over the guy who manages the poker room, and I told him that he was breaking the rules. He was told to stop, and he did.

"The next night, the stakes were higher, and I was in a hand with him, and he started doing it again, when he was deciding whether to call my bet. And my bet was a substantial bet.

"For all I knew, he was asking the other players what they folded. He said something smart back to me. . . . I honestly don't remember what it was, but it was not good.

"That's when it almost got physical. I stood up and basically put my finger in his face."

"If the [casino official] hadn't been at the next table, I would have hit him. Because now not only was he cheating, he was being a smart-ass.

"I told him they'd better do something about this - I wasn't going to lose this hand, and I didn't - and that's kind of where it stopped.

"You could sense he was a coddled punk, and to tell you the truth, the casino coddled him as well. I had played with him for four or five hours the night before, and he was constantly getting away with stuff."

Biebel's friend, who asks not to be identified to protect her privacy, says there was nothing remarkable about Van der Sloot.

"He was a nice-looking guy who seemed normal enough," she recalls. "He seemed to know everybody there."

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http://www.philly.com/inquirer/local/nj/20100815_Kevin_Riordan__Mullica_Hill_man_knew_Aruba_murder_suspect_as_poker-playing__punk_.html

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=8277.460


Deepak Kalpoe - Suspect Statement - June 13, 2005

At about 00:00 hours, I had arrived at the Raddison Hotet. I parked my car in the parking lot and walked to the casino. When I got inside, I saw that Joran was in the poker room and that he was playing at a table. I saw that Guido was seated at another poker table also playing poker, I had seen another friend Andre who was also in the poker room. I do not know the  surname of Andre. Andre was not playing poker. At some moment in time Andre had come over to where I was and had greeted me. Andre asked me to come inside. I did go inside. I did not play, but did look at the cards of Joran and Guido.

At some given moment in time a tourist who was sitting at Joran's table got angry. The tourist thought that we were looking at the cards of other players and signaling/deciding for Joran when he should play or not. It lead to a disagreement between Joran and the tourist. The manager of the Radisson Casino came over and everything calmed down. I drank about four "whisky coke" gedronken in the Radisson Casino. I now that Joran drank more because the waiters were constantly bringing him drinks .I am not sure .what he was drinking. His drinks were of a yellow colour. I think it was whisky soda" or 'Whisky water".

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« Reply #663 on: January 26, 2011, 10:25:38 PM »

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7.  I HAVE A VIP PASS

Joran van der Sloot - Suspect Statement - June 9, 2005


After that we drove straight to Carlos & Charlies. Deepak was the driver but I cannot remember now who was sitting beside him. I do not remember now if it was Satish or me. I estimate that we arrived at Carlos & Charlies between 00.15 and 00.30 hours. Deepak parked his car on the parking lot behind Carlos & Charlies and after that we walked into the building of Carlos & Charlies. I don't have to pay because I have a VIP pass. With my VIP pass Deepak and Satish were also allowed in.

To your question as to who gave me the VIP pass to Carlos & Charlies, I answer you that I got it through the office of Carlos & Charlies. I do not remember with the help of who I got the VIP pass. I got to Carlos & Charlies about one to three times a week.

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« Reply #664 on: January 26, 2011, 10:33:02 PM »

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8.  SUSPECTED OF INVOLVEMENT

Aruba Suspects Accused of Taking Sex Photos of Another Girl
Thursday, September 01, 2005


The Kalpoe brothers were released July 4 and rearrested last week with a friend of the three young men, Freddy Alexander Zedan-Arambatzis (search), 21.
 
Zedan-Arambatzis, who is not suspected of involvement in the Holloway case, is accused of taking photos of a minor female in "tempting poses" and of showing the photos to other people, said his lawyer, Diana Emerencia. He is also suspected of having unspecified "physical contact" with the girl, she said.

The Kalpoe brothers and van der Sloot are also suspected of involvement in the incident, which allegedly occurred before Holloway disappeared, Emerencia said.

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« Reply #665 on: January 26, 2011, 10:41:28 PM »

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9.  THE SAME CORNER; THE SAME STOOLS

'The Abrams Report' for August 4
updated 8:37 a.m. PT, Fri., Aug. 5, 2005


BETH TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER:  You know it's a pretty long scenario; we have a lot of details.  You know the main thing to sum it up is you know Joran, how he entered this establishment.  I believe that you know if you enter on the right side, you have to have a valid I.D.  If you enter Carlos N' Charlie's on the left side, you must have some type ofI don't know if it's a VIP pass or what to enter, but Joran enters the establishment on the left side, approaches these groups of tourists. 

You know it's interesting how he is able to try to work his way in and connect and establish himself in thatin Carlos N' Charlie's, was walking her around and these other tourists and was able to point out Satish and Deepak Kalpoe.  They were sitting ironically in the same corner, the same stools that they were seated at in the picture that's been all over international media, so that must be their spot that they wait while Joran is working.

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« Reply #666 on: January 26, 2011, 10:50:10 PM »

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10.  THAT'S THE SHOT I NORMALLY TAKE

Transcript: Joran van der Sloot Goes 'On the Record,' Part 1
Wednesday, March 01, 2006


JORAN VAN DER SLOOT, CHIEF SUSPECT IN NATALEE HOLLOWAY DISAPPEARANCE: ... And then I asked her, What do you want to drink? And she's, like, Whatever. So she said, yes (INAUDIBLE) What do you suggest. And I said, Baccardi 151. That's a shot I normally take with my friends.

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« Reply #667 on: January 26, 2011, 11:12:47 PM »

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11.  PAID THE EXPENSES FOR A PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR

Aruban casino boss had ties to Chicago mob
Thursday, February 23, 2006 | 6:07 PM
Missing Alabama teen last seen at casino
By Chuck Goudie


February 23, 2006 (WLS) -- Authorities on the island of Aruba have not been able to solve the mystery of what happened to Alabama teenager Natalie Holloway. She disappeared while on a high school trip last spring. The ABC7 I-Team has learned new details about the casino where Holloway was last seen, an Aruba casino run by a convicted high-ranking Chicago mobster.

The unsolved disappearance of 18-year-old Natalie Holloway has commanded worldwide attention. It has been widely reported that the last place Holloway was known to be alive was the Excelsior casino connected to the Holiday Inn where she and her classmates were staying.
 
The I-Team has learned that the casino where Holloway was last seen is operated by Chicagoan Michael Posner. The intelligence report on Posner lists him as a prominent member of the Chicago outfit for more than 40 years.

According to federal law enforcement, Michael Posner's most recent mob assignment was boss of illegal rackets in the north suburbs. Posner was convicted in 1987 of threatening wayward gamblers with death and running prostitutes out of this Lake County strip club.

Through his Chicago lawyer, Posner maintains that he has been clean for 15 years and since 1998 has operated the Excelsior casino on the Caribbean resort on the island of Aruba.
 
Last May, honor student Natalie Holloway was staying at the resort on her high school graduation trip when she disappeared. One of the last places she was seen alive was in Posner's Excelsior casino.
 
In security tape obtained by ABC News, Holloway is seen at a table seated next to Joran van der Sloot, a local who is the prime suspect in the case

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Posner says it was he who voluntarily turned over this casino surveillance tape to Aruban authorities and that he is furious they have allowed ABC News to broadcast it.

Posner says he has paid the expenses for private investigators to come here and assist in the search for Holloway and according to his lawyer: "He has nothin' to do with nothing" in the murder case.
 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #670 on: January 27, 2011, 02:35:22 PM »

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2391:jeugdige-dronkaards&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

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Young drunks

Thursday, January 27, 2011 6:57 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - A young couple on Monday night caused the problems on Tuesday at a nightclub in the De La Salle Street. It was a fifteen year old girl and a nineteen year old boy. They had drunk too much alcohol.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #671 on: January 28, 2011, 12:11:09 AM »

Triumph Over Devastation

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In each city I have the privilege to speak to several high schools, churches, or law enforcement and civic groups.  This translates to thousands of youths and adults.  Delivering this safety message is my triumph over devastation.  If gives me great joy and is tremendously rewarding work.  I think that I can bear the pain of losing Natalee if it means that I can prevent another family from going through our tragic experience.  If even just one young person in tens of thousands is saved, then it's well worth it.

I ask young people to make a conscious decision to stay safe.  They have to make the choice.  And I'm not asking them do anything more than I ask myself.  I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.  And I know it's not easy for young people to think about choosing not to get into a situation in which they can't defend themselves.  But we all have to make hard choices.  Every day.
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Imprint: HarperOne
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #673 on: January 28, 2011, 02:01:02 AM »

A fifty year old mechanic for the Team Aruba racing group died of an apparent heart attack in Aruba.

http://www.24ora.com/local-mainmenu-5/27018-mecanico-di-team-aruba-ta-fayece-na-palo-marga.html



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Anton van Eerden den su 50 aa di edad cu a fayece diahuebs anochi na Palo Marga.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #675 on: January 28, 2011, 09:33:27 AM »

http://www.boston.com/lifestyle/specials/valentines/engagementstories/

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« Reply #678 on: January 28, 2011, 10:26:30 PM »

http://amigoenieuws.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2447:blackberry-poentje-castro-in-nederland-onderzocht&catid=108:artikelen-aruba&Itemid=199

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Blackberry Poentje Castro studied in the Netherlands

Friday, 28 January 2011 6:32 p.m.

ORANGE CITY - The Blackberry December of last year murdered TV presenter and investigative journalist Poentje Castro for research to the Netherlands.

This confirms the Public Prosecutor (OM). Ann spokesman for Angela was going to press this issue not confirm whether the phone to the Dutch Forensic Institute (NFI) has been the research and where exactly being watched. Angela did confirm that the Team Large scale (TGO), a partnership between the Police Corps of Aruba (KPA), the PPS, and the Criminal Investigation Team (RST), still in force.

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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=6127&offId=0&offDate=2011-1



Papiamentu translation:

12 hora happen | fecha: 28/01/2011 | horario: 11:22

choller aggressive owing to ataca tourist at the bus station of arubus at oranjestad, the choller owing to become fresco till even cu agentenan policial

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at arrival of the first patrol they owing to compronde cu the choller was aggressive y owing to send one piece tree on direccion of the pareha tourist but ela abort in his attempt y owing to go back bay try ataca they, but some person cu owing to look at what was pasando owing to calling police y at once owing to enter in accion y strike one cry for distrae the choller. at arrival of the another patrol the choller owing to cuminsa halza voice y become fresco, one oficial more high owing to arrive at the sitio y owing to place the choller akina waterpas y owing to bay cune for so the achieve one medicamento for her calma.

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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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