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« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2010, 02:27:02 PM »

i just love the pics of kyron, that brandi has done
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« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2010, 02:27:40 PM »

I am bringing this from the other thread. I think it is a subject worth talking about. I have copied and pasted.

Quote from: no rose colored glasses on December 18, 2010, 01:01:12 PM
Quote from: Tracygirl on December 18, 2010, 12:55:55 PM
Quote from: sebastian on December 18, 2010, 12:47:56 PM
Quote from: Tracygirl on December 18, 2010, 12:44:31 PM
Quote from: sebastian on December 18, 2010, 12:30:39 PM
Hi Tracygirl,
I too had read back on all of the news announcements of the Skyline neighborhood online magazine. I was not feeling really great when I saw how many times strangers were asked to come volunteer at the school. It did not occur to me that it could be some kind of cryptic code, just that ANYONE could have come to volunteer and scope out the children and the school.


It all sounds crazy until you realize this is how it works.


It is all just too sickening! The article that I posted about the Lost Boy porno ring that was recently busted up? Well, it was a child porn bulletin board and one of the things listed was a handbook for pedophiles on how to groom their bait. UGH!


Pedo's also talk about the places that have access to children that also have easy access. I am sure they didn't even check id's of people before they walked in the for book fair or those that had free access to the school for one full day! That is very disturbing to me.

I will bet there was no checking of ID's, and I would bet most schools wouldn't have either.


So they have a day that the general public is invited to freely walk inside of a school and have access to pretty much anything.  I wonder if they even have a list of all volunteers that day. This was not sponsered by the school it was sponsored by the church who I also doubt does background checks. One month later a child goes missing....
Even if a pedo didn't grab kyron that day due to this, is any part of this ok? The general public should not ever have free access to inside a school? Who is to say a sick person didn't plant a camera in a bathroom or see pics of the children of the school? what about records that have addresses, emails, phone numbers of the students along with pics? In my opinion it is asking for trouble. The question is, did trouble happen because of this? 
 
 
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« Reply #4 on: December 18, 2010, 02:28:35 PM »

Fanny thank you for answering my post to you. I just wanted to let you know I read it
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« Reply #5 on: December 18, 2010, 02:32:05 PM »

I know I should probably wait until the thread change has already happened before posting something many may feel relivent. Next time I will, so I don't have to duplicate posts.
copied and pasted from the previous thread.


This is an interesting posts and Blinks comment from Blinks site. Thought I would bring it over

15.jan says:
December 18, 2010 at 1:53 am
“But if I focus on efforts that do not seem to focus on her (TH) at all- what do we see?
B”

Three sources are relevant to re-visit:
The school, the Historic Church, and the Skyline Ridge Association — all were wide open for intrusion, esp. note summer gathering sign that stated, “Strangers Welcome.”
This bothers me and I even went as far as thinking today that the word “strangers” is a code word for pedophiles.

Perps use code words to attract each other and then go after victims. Why would an organization use the word, “Stranger”; implies to me, “Stranger Danger”.

Could Skyline Ridge Community (including TH) have invited perps into inner-circle of the community? Some online sites had the same problem with the sex trade by users using code words to get in touch with each other. TH had help, who lives(d) in the community, maybe passed off to another accomplice perp?

@ Blink’s response:
December 17, 2010 at 1:04 am
“…get the parents talking about whether they had a creep factor about “who” that day, and any other day…”

There was ample opportunity for a perp to find a way into S-KY School to get the lay of land; see many volunteer public invitations and opportunities listed in S-KY Ridge Newsletter:
1. Join Skyline Group
We’ll meet at Brooks Hill Church across from school at 9 and then spread out over Skyline Neighborhood to pick up litter until 12. If you’d like to volunteer to pick up gathered trash and have a TRUCK please let me know at (snip.) You can also sign up to volunteer at the SOLV website under Skyline Neighborhood Clean Up. Hope to see you there.

2. Logi Trail Group
Logie Trail crew will meet at 18529 NW Logie Trail at 9AM which is BJ’s Richards house. Over a hundred tires have been found down a hill and the Logie Crew is looking for some strong youth that would be willing to climb down the hill and hook up tires to winch lines. They need to be 18 years of age or their parents need to be on site. If you’re interested please call (snip)

3. Used Book Sale at Skyline School
http://www.srnpdx.org/event/used-book-sale-skyline-school

Make a donation of used books (for all ages), or just plan to stop by and shop.
Event dates:
Repeats every day until Thu Apr 22 2010 .
Mon, 04/19/2010 (All day)
Tue, 04/20/2010 (All day)
Wed, 04/21/2010 (All day)
Thu, 04/22/2010 (All day)

April 19-22, 2010 – 8:30 a.m. – 3:30 p.m.: Skyline School Used Book Sale. This school fundraiser is a great place to recycle old books ….Drop books off at school during regular school hours from now to April 16. Open Tuesday until 5 p.m. Thursday…

4. What about all the April City involvement in Neighborhood? That Mayor tweet still seems bizarre.
Starting in early April, City of Portland plans to target garlic mustard on roadside rights-of way using glyphosate (Round-up). If you are a landowner with garlic mustard on your property, a number of local agencies may be able to assist you…:
http://www.srnpdx.org/sites/default/files/RR0410_color.pd

5. Note S-KY tasks on 5/2/10.
http://www.srnpdx.org/newsline-april-23-2010

Sunset Presbyterian Church (SPC) will be sending volunteers to Skyline on 5/2/10 to work on a variety of LANDSCAPING projects, filling holes and adding gravel near the track, painting classrooms, completely cleaning out and re-organizing the bus barn, among other projects. SPC has asked M and B Schweinfurth to help organize event and to enlist help of other Skyline parents and members of Skyline community….email (snip) or call (snip) to let us know whether you would be available to help us with these projects on 5/2/10. Skyline middle school students can earn volunteer hours by helping out.

And then connect some dots:

Look at SPC Volunteer link photo:
http://www.sunsetpres.org/content.cfm?id=2089
8 boys, 2 with glasses, about Ky’s age with one man, coincidence?

The S-KY community has seen this perp.

Town Hall format, private to parents, with security support is overdue. Families are afraid to speak up; they need help connecting dots with each other, however wild and wooly. Everyone bring discs, videos, photos with fresh eyes, who knows whom, what’s lurking in the background. Something may trigger a “oh, yeah, now I remember seeing something that day…”

Past S-KYline events show white trucks, for example:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skylineridge/4954646764/

One poster mentioned a small child could be carried in a big guitar case:
See photo on Skyline Ridge Neighbors Newsletter:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/skylineridge/4158367643/in/dateposted/

Or look at JK’s Aloha United Methodist church FB page with boy (Colston) leaning on Pastor Brett. Doesn’t look right.
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=543363867740&set=o.134514135052

Perp maybe threatened TH that Kiara would go same fate if she talks; at least Kiara is alive and well with Kaine, even if she can’t see her.

I bet suspect zero was at S-KY school both months before and only shortly after the incident.

This is an excellent compilation of events, that imo, locals should be accessing their memory banks for any odd incidents or familiar faces that also were at the Science Fair June 6th.

I whole-heartedly agree with your last statement, but wish to ask, what are you basing it on?
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« Reply #6 on: December 18, 2010, 02:36:42 PM »

Fanny thank you for answering my post to you. I just wanted to let you know I read it

Thanks! I hoped you would.
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« Reply #7 on: December 18, 2010, 02:38:20 PM »

thanks TG, its saying about the same thing i was saying

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9000.msg1277940#msg1277940
back to the "snatch and go" theory, to me that would mean there is prob an unknown S.O.among the
community that is part of the school/parents friend,teachers friend,
as ive never read anywhere, that the people there that day, were concerned about a stranger,
and im just guessing, everyone on the list had a reason  to be there
as LE would know about a person that had no reason to be there, maybe this is why
the school community is so tight lipped, maybe they are wondering and having
some suspicions now too even after 6 months

i agree, the teachers behaviour is odd, in fact the whole of the case is odd
you have a kid, that is not prone to wandering off, especially that day, yet
for some reason the LE did, ive often wondered where they got that idea
then you have a not yet named suspect, and her timeline is so tight, its hard to
see harming disposing, passing off, ect.in that timeline and that just makes it
more odd
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« Reply #8 on: December 18, 2010, 02:46:15 PM »

Tracy's post from closed thread. 
(So they have a day that the general public is invited to freely walk inside of a school and have access to pretty much anything.  I wonder if they even have a list of all volunteers that day. This was not sponsered by the school it was sponsored by the church who I also doubt does background checks. One month later a child goes missing....
Even if a pedo didn't grab kyron that day due to this, is any part of this ok? The general public should not ever have free access to inside a school? Who is to say a sick person didn't plant a camera in a bathroom or see pics of the children of the school? what about records that have addresses, emails, phone numbers of the students along with pics? In my opinion it is asking for trouble. The question is, did trouble happen because of this? )   The possibilities of what can all be done just like you have posted is overwhelming. Also, who knows what a sick person is doing when they look at FB pics as well. Endless
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« Reply #9 on: December 18, 2010, 02:52:16 PM »

since learning of TH sexting and supposed lifestyle, wonder if she was doing the deed
that 11/2 hr thats unaccounted for, i know she had the baby, but i really dont think
that would matter to her,she was sexting and kyron is missing
not a TH supporter just trying to fig why she looked so guilty in the first fam interview
i know she prob looks guilty BC she did something to kyron, just saying
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« Reply #10 on: December 18, 2010, 02:54:07 PM »

since learning of TH sexting and supposed lifestyle, wonder if she was doing the deed
that 11/2 hr thats unaccounted for, i know she had the baby, but i really dont think
that would matter to her,she was sexting and kyron is missing
not a TH supporter just trying to fig why she looked so guilty in the first fam interview
i know she prob looks guilty BC she did something to kyron, just saying
I have wondered that myself, whether she had met up with someone for just that purpose.
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« Reply #11 on: December 18, 2010, 03:00:52 PM »

about the odd behavior im talking about here
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9068.msg1277962#msg1277962

is from robs post here, sorry i had forgot we changed threads
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9000.msg1277833#msg1277833
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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2010, 03:06:37 PM »

about the odd behavior im talking about here
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9068.msg1277962#msg1277962

is from robs post here, sorry i had forgot we changed threads
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9000.msg1277833#msg1277833
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« Reply #13 on: December 18, 2010, 03:46:04 PM »

 

wow. what a world we live in.  In my community we celebrate volunteers for all kinds of endeavors.  We have to.  There is not enough money to pay people to do the things that need to be done.

Are taxpayers going to pony up the money to do the things that need to be done in schools?  All the free labor that was given that day to skyline school?

We might as well live as in the former Soviet Union with armed guards everywhere and concertina wire around everything and suspicion of every person that exists. 

That does not mean that I don't think we should be careful and prudent, but what kind of world is that where we can't even invite volunteers to help with things in the community without people thinking that it is code words . 

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« Reply #14 on: December 18, 2010, 03:46:25 PM »

since learning of TH sexting and supposed lifestyle, wonder if she was doing the deed
that 11/2 hr thats unaccounted for, i know she had the baby, but i really dont think
that would matter to her,she was sexting and kyron is missing
not a TH supporter just trying to fig why she looked so guilty in the first fam interview
i know she prob looks guilty BC she did something to kyron, just saying

Hi Cw618
Whatever Terri was doing during her unaccounted time, I think she had purchased something from the store to put Kiara to sleep.
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« Reply #15 on: December 18, 2010, 03:50:29 PM »

thanks TG, its saying about the same thing i was saying

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9000.msg1277940#msg1277940
back to the "snatch and go" theory, to me that would mean there is prob an unknown S.O.among the
community that is part of the school/parents friend,teachers friend,
as ive never read anywhere, that the people there that day, were concerned about a stranger,
and im just guessing, everyone on the list had a reason  to be there
as LE would know about a person that had no reason to be there, maybe this is why
the school community is so tight lipped, maybe they are wondering and having
some suspicions now too even after 6 months

i agree, the teachers behaviour is odd, in fact the whole of the case is odd
you have a kid, that is not prone to wandering off, especially that day, yet
for some reason the LE did, ive often wondered where they got that idea
then you have a not yet named suspect, and her timeline is so tight, its hard to
see harming disposing, passing off, ect.in that timeline and that just makes it
more odd

I am of the opinion if it's an SO perp, than they are actually known to the school or families in some capacity, but have never been caught. IIRC some statistics show an offender will molest ~150-200 times before they are caught. Sadly some are never caught as children don't always tell, boys more so than girls as it's a homophobia type issue mixed in with feelings of what did I do wrong etc, threats to harm the child's family etc (according to my son's therapist and rape counselor-not me), these are sometimes very powerful motivators to keep a child quiet and they work quite well

Of course I am not stuck on one theory and mine are subject to change, more often in this case than any others I have ever followed.

O/T~I am considering going to the memorial in Mobile for Natalie and Jonathan Deblase....I am crazy?? I feel like we at SM and so many others love these kids so much more than their own family (not this particular case, but Zahra, Caylee and Jon and Natallie among hundreds of others) and I feel like someone should be there and show respect for the lives the children lived. I am afraid I would prolly cry like a baby the whole time though..
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wow. what a world we live in.  In my community we celebrate volunteers for all kinds of endeavors.  We have to.  There is not enough money to pay people to do the things that need to be done.

Are taxpayers going to pony up the money to do the things that need to be done in schools?  All the free labor that was given that day to skyline school?

We might as well live as in the former Soviet Union with armed guards everywhere and concertina wire around everything and suspicion of every person that exists. 

That does not mean that I don't think we should be careful and prudent, but what kind of world is that where we can't even invite volunteers to help with things in the community without people thinking that it is code words . 


Hi HelloKitty,
I personally think that if the volunteers were coming to the school AFTER school, that was not a huge problem. If the volunteers were coming DURING school hours, with children present, that is a HUGE problem. I am very very lucky. My daughters middle school is completely locked. In order to get on school grounds you have to go through the office and then try to get passed the diligent ladies who work there. You cannot take your child off campus without signing your child out, in said office. In the mornings and afternoons there is a teacher or two who stand outside and watch the comings and goings of children being picked up and dropped off. I could NEVER EVER imagine that my daughters school would allow UNKNOWN volunteers to wander around campus while my child was there. Again, I am VERY lucky. I would have a fit if was any other way.
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« Reply #17 on: December 18, 2010, 03:54:20 PM »

thanks TG, its saying about the same thing i was saying

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=9000.msg1277940#msg1277940
back to the "snatch and go" theory, to me that would mean there is prob an unknown S.O.among the
community that is part of the school/parents friend,teachers friend,
as ive never read anywhere, that the people there that day, were concerned about a stranger,
and im just guessing, everyone on the list had a reason  to be there
as LE would know about a person that had no reason to be there, maybe this is why
the school community is so tight lipped, maybe they are wondering and having
some suspicions now too even after 6 months

i agree, the teachers behaviour is odd, in fact the whole of the case is odd
you have a kid, that is not prone to wandering off, especially that day, yet
for some reason the LE did, ive often wondered where they got that idea
then you have a not yet named suspect, and her timeline is so tight, its hard to
see harming disposing, passing off, ect.in that timeline and that just makes it
more odd

I am of the opinion if it's an SO perp, than they are actually known to the school or families in some capacity, but have never been caught. IIRC some statistics show an offender will molest ~150-200 times before they are caught. Sadly some are never caught as children don't always tell, boys more so than girls as it's a homophobia type issue mixed in with feelings of what did I do wrong etc, threats to harm the child's family etc (according to my son's therapist and rape counselor-not me), these are sometimes very powerful motivators to keep a child quiet and they work quite well

Of course I am not stuck on one theory and mine are subject to change, more often in this case than any others I have ever followed.

O/T~I am considering going to the memorial in Mobile for Natalie and Jonathan Deblase....I am crazy?? I feel like we at SM and so many others love these kids so much more than their own family (not this particular case, but Zahra, Caylee and Jon and Natallie among hundreds of others) and I feel like someone should be there and show respect for the lives the children lived. I am afraid I would prolly cry like a baby the whole time though..

IslandMonkey,
You are such a sweetheart! I think it would be so nice of you to attend! I wish I was there and I would go with you. I am hoping to be there in the Spring!
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« Reply #18 on: December 18, 2010, 03:58:38 PM »

Tracy's post from closed thread. 
(So they have a day that the general public is invited to freely walk inside of a school and have access to pretty much anything.  I wonder if they even have a list of all volunteers that day. This was not sponsered by the school it was sponsored by the church who I also doubt does background checks. One month later a child goes missing....
Even if a pedo didn't grab kyron that day due to this, is any part of this ok? The general public should not ever have free access to inside a school? Who is to say a sick person didn't plant a camera in a bathroom or see pics of the children of the school? what about records that have addresses, emails, phone numbers of the students along with pics? In my opinion it is asking for trouble. The question is, did trouble happen because of this? )   The possibilities of what can all be done just like you have posted is overwhelming. Also, who knows what a sick person is doing when they look at FB pics as well. Endless
I have a friend who is 70+ yrs old and when he found out about my son when he was abused I told him about he psychologist telling me "he's full of shame and a 3 yr old can't be taught shame" (he was speaking of those that try to win a custody battle by having their kids lie about abuse), anyway he stopped in his tracks and his eyes filled with tears, he said he's exactly right and told me of his story, he was at church in the bathroom washing his hands when he was 8 yrs old and a man took his pants down, exited a stall and came after him, he opened the window and jumped out, and 62+ yrs later he told me about it, and he also told me that he felt so ashamed, and dirty that he never told a soul until that day. Sad, because that man probably went on to molest dozens or hundreds more children and thank God this perp couldn't catch my friend since his pants were around his ankles and he couldn't run as fast.
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« Reply #19 on: December 18, 2010, 04:03:12 PM »

The list that was sent around. Six months later, what are they looking for ?
What I read into it is : Here are the people who we think were there.
My mind says :
There is someone on this list who says they were not at the school that day, but we have a conflict as someone says they were.
.......
Didn't one of the kids ( I know which kid ) say that the substiture was there and the kid was corrected as the sub wasn't working that day ? Let's face it, they don't know who was there for sure. Not going to single out the sub, but any persons who were employed by the school, they could say, look at the pay records, I wasn't there. But they were. If the chaos worked for Terri as some say to do this when she was doing her premeditation, it works just as well for a perv / perp.
......
LE must have run this list against their databases and maybe they have come up with some hits for a prev child porn incident. Doesn't have to be in OR, could be in a previous place of residence.
There are alot of persons on that list.
Maybe that's what they wish they didn't know.     
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As far as Terri and the LDT, we don't know what q's were asked tht she was deceptive on.
It would have made LE take a really hard look at her. I hope that it wasn't to the exclusion of all else. I am not convinced that she did it, but she could have.

.....
Say Ky and Terri are finished for the day, he says, I forgot to bring in the xxx, that he needed for later in the day, they go to the truck, they get in the truck to get it, he forgot it at home. He wants to go home to get it, she snaps and lays him out cold. 
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For me,  I am trying to go down both paths. We don't have alot of facts and I don't like MCSD. I do not like that they gave him the sexting texts to Kaine and then he used them in his divorce. Yet, they won't release other things as it is part of an on going investigation. Never heard of this stuff before from LE.
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